X-Wing Miniatures: Nedoumice oko pravila

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Da ne bi više smarao po ostalim temama, možda je najbolje da napravimo temu u kojoj ćemo da raspravljamo oko nedoumica, pišemo nešto novo što smo otkrili a što smo radili pogrešno, definisati pravila za 2v2 itd.

1. Crew Members - Gunner i Luke Skywalker
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Ovaj na metal bikiniju kaže da sa Gunnerom može da se rerolluje ne samo ako u bacanju niste dobili ni jedan ''hit'' ili ''critical hit'', nego cak i ako ste to dobili, ali se ovaj odbranio i nije popio damage (Hit u bukvalnom smislu te reči).
Ovo mi je bas nejasno i zato sam i pitao jel mozemo da se oslonimo na taj sajt, da li to neki lik lupeta ili je to neki kao official sajt?
http://www.themetalbikini.com/2013/03/c ... ch-results
1. You've performed an attack that doesn't hit.
Ok- what does that mean though? Like I missed with all my dice or I got some hits, but they were mitigated by the target's defense dice, Evade tokens, Draw Their Fire, etc?
Right. When we play this game, if you're like me, you roll the Attack dice and say stuff like, "2 hits, 1 crit." This isn't entirely accurate if you read the Combat Phase steps. What you've really got are filled explosion symbols and unfilled explosion symbols. If those results aren't Cancelled then those symbol results become capital-H Hits and Critical Damage, respectively.
So what does the card text mean by "doesn't hit?" An attack that nets no hits against the defender. That is, you didn't roll any explosion symbols or you didn't roll enough to get past his wavy arrow die rolls, eyeball results and he burns a Focus, his Evade tokens, or any combination thereof. If you didn't register a hit against the target ship in the Combat Phase sense of the word, then you can trigger Gunner, so something like Draw Their Fire wouldn't work as a trigger for Gunner's ability- the attack hit, it just gets moved to another ship.
2. Evo jedne bitne stvari za

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Core Rulebook, strana 11 wrote:3. Modify Attack Dice
...
If a player wants to resolve multiple modifying
abilities, he resolves them in the order of his
choosing. If the attacker and defender both have
abilities that can modify attack dice, the defender
resolves all of his abilities before the attacker
.
(Core Rulebook, strana 11)

Za modifikovanje Defense kockica je obrnuto, prvo attacker modifikuje, pa onda defender, znači onaj koji baca njegova je zadnja. :)

3. Simultaneous Attack Rule (Core Rulebook, strana 16)

Although ships perform their attacks one at a time,
ships with a pilot skill value equal to the active
ship’s
pilot skill value have the opportunity to
attack before being destroyed.

4. If one card ability forbids an effect,
while another ability allows it, the effect
is forbidden.
(Core Rulebook, strana 20)
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1. Metalbikini je u pravu. Na strani 12 u odeljku 6. Compare Results imas tacnu definiciju termina "Hit" u ovoj igri.
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2. Sensor Jammer ...... The attacker cannot reroll the die with the changed result 8-)
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Jedno pitanje, da li Evade token moze da ponisti udar Seismic charge-a? Trazio sam i u pravilima i u FAQ i jedino sto sam nasao po tom pitanju je na metal bikiniju:
Secondly, bear in mind this weapon does automatic damage- no rolling required nor, in fact, allowed. Evade tokens cannot be spent either, which gives us an idea of who and what to use this thing against.
http://www.themetalbikini.com/2013/03/o ... arges.html

Ako neko nadje da moze, neka to sada objavi ili neka zauvek cuti :D
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Nikola, u pitanju je klasa tzv. non-attack damage-a (slični kao i na ostalim bombama) koji se ne može izbeći. Sve što je u radiusu pije damage (friend or foe), i brod nije moguće zaštiti uobičajenim metodama (defense roll, evade etc.).

O non-attack damage-u možeš ovde da vidiš (mada sam siguran da to sve već znaš ;D)
http://teamcovenant.com/hothie/2013/04/ ... ck-damage/
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Odgovaras coveku koji je osvojio 3 od poslednja 4 X-wing turnira :-({|=
Zar ne provaljujes da te samo zamajava :lol:
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Hvala badtaste na odgovoru :) Ne zamajavam, pravila su pravila :D
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Jos jedna nedoumica, da li vozac nakon koiogran manevra dobija stres iako se slupa u nekoga i neuspe da izvede manevar do kraja? :) Hvala
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_+1_ wrote:Jos jedna nedoumica, da li vozac nakon koiogran manevra dobija stres iako se slupa u nekoga i neuspe da izvede manevar do kraja? :) Hvala
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Da li se za sekundarne napade dobijaju bonusi za udaljenosti, i da li specijalne sposobnosti pilota uticu na sekundarne napade takodje? Primer Wedge Antilles i Proton Torpedoes.
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PfcParatrooper wrote:Da li se za sekundarne napade dobijaju bonusi za udaljenosti, i da li specijalne sposobnosti pilota uticu na sekundarne napade takodje? Primer Wedge Antilles i Proton Torpedoes.
Iz glave znam odgovor samo na prvi deo pitanja. Za sekundarne napade se ne dobijanu ni bonusi za blizinu ni penali za daljinu. Ali obstacle tj. meteor dodaje jednu zelenu kockicu onom ko se brani.
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Ovome je mesto u "Ostale igre i razno"
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PfcParatrooper wrote: da li specijalne sposobnosti pilota uticu na sekundarne napade takodje? Primer Wedge Antilles i Proton Torpedoes.
Specijalne sposobnosti pilota uticu i na sekundarne napade osim ako nije nesto izricito navedeno. Wedge smanjuje odbranu i kada puca sa Proton Torpedoes. ;)
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Da li Stelth device i Shield upgrade mogu nasvaki brod?
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Nemanja wrote:Da li Stelth device i Shield upgrade mogu nasvaki brod?
Iz glave, mislim da mogu na svaki brod koji ima modification slot.
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Upgrade kartice mogu da idu na svaki brod, ali samo jedna upgrade kartica bez obzir koje je vrste.
Sa Ace Tie Interceptor-ima stizu kartice koje ce omoguciti koriscenje dve upgrade kartice po brodu.
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Hvala
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novi FAQ za X-Wing, dosta obiman i svasta pokriva...

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_c ... ng-FAQ.pdf
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Badtaste dokle cemo da cekamo da vidimo tvoje znanje primenjeno u praksi? :D
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Perform attack u ovom kontekstu znači nakon što se završio njegov napad na neki brod, odnosno da napadnuti brod može da iskoristi akciju (focus/evade) za odbranu od Wes-ovog napada? Ili mu je prvo skine pa se tek onda bacaju kockice?
Ovo mi deluje kao novi overpowered rebel brod, kao da ih vec nema dosta :(
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pa dobili su rat...
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hahaha
dobro je ovaj koji se brani sme akciju da koristi protiv njega, nije bas toliko nehuman ;)
with his ability to remove one focus, evade, or blue target lock token from the target of his attack, Wes Janson can provoke his target to spend a focus token that he would have preferred to hold for his attack, limiting the chances that he'll suffer damage from retaliatory fire.
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žališ se na obični x wing, a pogledaj ovu zver

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_ ... ?eidn=4880
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