Rasprava o AC-u
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Re: Nova Warhammer liga
Ma problem je samo u tome što Džon Vejn gleda na jedinice u armijama kao na žetone koji imaju svoju vrednost a ne na osnovnu priču. Ako je nešto zamišljeno da bude skirmiš i pucačka armija onda to mora i da ostane, ako je zamišljeno da neka armija bude otporna na magije ona to mora i da ostane, ako je ... nadam se da razumete o čemu pričam. Ja nikada ne igram sa istom listom a sa ovim restrikcijama opet ne mogu da izvodim neke kombinacije koje sam želeo a ne smatram da su nešto posebno strašne.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ovo je finalna ideja AC-a, naravno u njoj ima sigurno brdo propusta alibi mogli da probamo da igramo ligu i na taj naci playtestiramo ovaj tzv. AC. Naravno ako vam se ne svidja mozete bojkotovati ligu i onda ce se igrati liga bez ikakvog AC-a.
Hvala svima na strpljenju!
Rules changes:
- 2 Characters in a unit will get "look out sir" versus the following spells that automatically kill models or automatically remove an entire regiment: Dwellers Below, Final Transmutation, Dreaded 13th, Infernal Gateway 11-12 effect. Normal requirements for lookout sir apply.
- Folding Fortress is not allowed
Army Restrictions:
- No Special or Named Characters.
- Army used can be any of the currently published GW Army books. Forge World based army lists & units may not be used on the event, except for Chaos Dwarves.
- All BSBs can take all the Equipment, their unit type has acces to as if they weren't BSBs.
- Units cannot be more than 35 models nor 350 points (including all command, upgrades, magic items/banners). This restriction applies during the creation of the roster - unit size/cost may be increased during the game (for example - by joining characters to the unit). This restriction does not apply to characters.
- Unit can only have 1 character in them. BSB doesn't count.
- All units are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules.
- All lord characters are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules.
- Max 1 level 4 mage in army.
- Max 1 lord character.
- All hero characters are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules (BSB doesn't count for this limit if it has magic banner; BSB doesn't count for this limit if it doesn't have magic items and is of infantry / cavalry type (no MC / MB / fly, etc. !)
- Magic items that give you bolt thrower equivallent are counted as bolt thrower choice in army (so you can't have 2 bolt throwers and magical bolt thrower).
- The best ward save that you can have, ever, against magic is 4+ ward save. No matter what combination of items / spells / anything else you have, you can't get ward save that is better than 4+.
- Units of Monstrous Cavalry have maximum size of 4.
- Mounts for characters are included in limit, which would most often be 0-1 (so, if you mount character on chariot, you use a slot for that chariot, if you mount character on stegadon, you can't take stegadon as rare slot, you can't have 2 heralds on juggernauts of khorne, etc.).
- You can't duplicate any type of magic items. This includes, but is not limited, to things like Vampire Bloodline powers, Dwarven runes, Bretonnian Virtues, etc.
- You can't take 2 dispell / destroy scrolls, no matter what their name is. So you can't take Silver Mirror + Dispell scroll for example.
- Maximum of 1 model in your army can have more spells than normal for his level. This includes, but is not limited to magic items that give you knoweldge of complete lore.
- Magic items that work as Bolt Thrower, count as Bolt Thrower. So, if you take 1 of those, you can't take Bolt Thrower in your army.
- You can use a maximum of 1 flame template weapon per turn (both during shooting & HtH).
Magic Restrictions:
- Apart from Winds of magic, an army may only use 2 PD/DD per magic phase. After an army generates the limit all the other extra dice are discarded. This includes channeled PD/DD.
- Player can use maximum 5 PD to cast a spell. For death & shadow spells this max is lowered to 4 power dice.
- An army may use up to 12 PD during each phase.
- You may have units/abilities that actually would generate more than 2 extra dice, but any excess dice are lost
- Some magic items/abilities count as generating dice toward this limit.
- “Count as” items/abilities may never exceed a cumulative 2 PD/DD per phase. This means that player who already spent his limit PD limit, can’t take more items which “count as adding PD” or add PD from channeling during game (same for DD).
- All modifiers are applied from the army list and will not change during the game.
- If a dice is stolen from the opponent’s pool, but your army has already generated two extra dice, the dice is removed from the opponent’s pool and then discarded.
- Some special items and abilities DECREASE the limit of power or dispel dice you can add to the pool. We refer to those as “count as” items. What this means is that, if your roster includes one “counts as 1 Power Dice (PD)” item, your army can only add 1 power dice (instead of the usual 2 dice) to the pool in each of your own magic phases of the entire game (regardless of whether the item is destroyed or used up).
- you cannot have a combination of items that would decrease the limit of extra power or dispel dice to below zero.
- Any item that auto-dispels a spell counts as generating 1 DD each magic phase.
Army Specific Restrictions:
Beastmen:
Gor herds are 0-2.
Tuskog chariots are 0-2.
Ungor herd are 0-2.
Spawn of chaos are 0-2.
Can't have both Crown of Horns and Crown of Command.
Bretonnia:
Man at arms are 0-2.
Max 20 bowmen.
Max 20 bowmen skirmishers.
Can't have both Crown of Command and Virtue of Penitent.
Can't have both Sword of Heroes and Virtue of Heroism.
The maximum charge range bonus your units can have is +d6". This includes, but is not limited to Banner of Swiftness.
Maximum 10 Mounted Yeomen in army.
Daemons:
Bloodletters of Khorne are 0-2.
Daemonnetes of Slaanesh are 0-2.
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch are 0-2.
Plaguebearers of Nurgle are 0-2.
Max. 30 Models per unit; Daemonic Battle Standard can have gifts if his magic banner does not cost over 50pts. Siren song cannot be taken by Herald of Slaanesh.
You can cast a maximum total of 2 Flickering Fire of Tzeentch / Bolt of Tzeentch during any Magic Phase.
Dark Elf:
Max 20 total repeater crossbows in army (total up corsairs, warriors, shadows....).
Dark elf warriors are 0-2.
Corsairs are 0-2.
Chariots are 0-2.
Max 10 Shadows.
Pendant of khaeleth cannot be taken by lord characters, player may take up to 2 of following: Pendant of khaeleth\Crown of command\Cauldron of Blood\Hydra.
Assassins are 0-1, too!
Dwarf:
Longbeards are 0-2.
Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 Rangers.
Max 10 Quarrellers.
Max 10 Thunderers.
You can take Anvil of Doom, and runelord can take 1 dispell rune, even through that would exceed normal limit for generation of DD.
Only 2 warmachines can take engineer upgrade.
Empire:
Free company are 0-2.
Halberdiers are 0-2.
Swordsmen are 0-2.
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 10 archers or Max 10 huntsmen.
Max 10 handgunners.
Max 10 crossbowmen.
Max 5 outriders or Max 10 pistoliers.
Knights & Inner Circle knights are 0-1. So you can't have both choices. In addition, you can have a maximum of 17 knights / inner circle knights and reiksguard knights.
You can't take both Steam Tank and Hellblaster.
High elf:
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 2 total of Lion & Tiranoc Chariots.
Ellyrian Reavers are max 10 if they have bows.
Max 10 Shadow Warriors.
Max 10 archers.
Max 10 Lothern Sea Guard. If you don't take archers / shadow warriors, you can place 20 Lothern Sea Guards.
Can't take Vortex Shard.
Can take maximum 1 of the following items: Book of Hoeth / Banner of World Dragon / Dispell Scroll / Sigil of Asuryan. If you take Book of Hoeth you can't generate additional power / dispell dice.
Lizardmen:
Saurus Warriors are 0-2.
Skinks (note: not Skink Skirmishers!) are 0-2 (maxium of 1 unit with Kroxigors).
Max 10 Skink Skirmishers.
Can't take both Stegadon and Ancient Stegadon in army.
Can't take both Salamander and Razordon unit.
Player may take up to 2 of following: Becalming Cogitations\ Focus of Mystery\ Focused Rumination \Higher State of Consciousness; Becalming Cogitations counts as +2DD;
Can't take Cupped hands of the Old Ones
Higher State of Consciousness counts as 2 discplines (takes two slots, but cost same points); Crown of Command & Higher State of Consciousness cannot be taken on 1 model
Max 1 of these in army death lore/bane head/feedback scroll
Can't take both The Horn of Kygor & Crown of Command in army.
Cube of Darkness can't end magic phase.
Ogre:
Ogres are 0-2.
Max 20 gnoblars.
Hellheart counts as 2dd & 1pd, Greedyfist on death mage counts as 2dd, Rune Maw Banner counts as 1dd.
Orcs and Goblins:
Goblins are 0-2.
Night Goblins are 0-2 (maximum of 1 unit with fanatics).
Orc Boyz are 0-2.
Maximum total of 40 orcs / goblins with shooting weapons.
All hero choices are 0-1 (except for BSB under same restriction as noted in army restrictions).
Max 10 Forest Goblin Spider Riders, if they carry short bow.
Max 10 Goblin Wolf Riders, if they carry short bow.
Units of Goblins / Night Goblins that carry short bows are limited to 20 models.
Max 10 Orc Arrer Boyz.
Max 10 Savage Orc Boyz if they carry bows.
Night Goblin Shamans mushroom dice do not count as power dice in regard to the PD limit. Maximum model cap is 50 models per unit.
Skaven:
Clanrats and Stormvermin units have a combined total of 0-3.
All weapons teams are also 0-1.
Max 10 nigh runners.
Max 10 gutter runners.
Max 10 Globadiers.
Max 10 Jezzails.
You can't take both night runners and gutter runners.
Can take max 2 of the following: doom rocket, brass orb, storm banner, crown of command.
Tomb Kings:
Skeleton Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 horse archers.
Max 20 skeleton bowmen.
Max 2 units of chariots.
Max 3 ushabti with great bow.
Neferra's Scrolls of Mighty Incantations counts as 2 PD AND 2 DD.
Hierotitan is worth 1 PD so long as it's alive. Tomb Kings may generate up to 3 power dice per phase.
Any priest can be Hierophant, not just the one with the highest LD.
Can't take any other kind of Sphinx if you take Necrosphinx / Warsphinx.
Vampires:
Skeletons are 0-2.
Zombies are 0-2.
Ethereals are limited to 0-2. In addition, you can't take both Hexwraiths and Spirit Hosts. Characters are included in this limit! (so if you take 1 Ethereal character, you can only take 1 unit of Ethereal models).
Master of black arts & blasphemous tome upgrade are 1pd each.
Can't take both Red Fury and Quickblood abilities in army.
Max of 3 flying units (including characters!), max 15 mounted characters and black knights combined.
Max one banshee ghoustly howl or terrorgheist death shriek can be used per turn
Warriors of Chaos:
Marauders are 0-2.
Chaos Warriors are 0-2.
Chariots are 0-2.
Infernal Puppet counts as +1 PD and +2DD.
If you have warriors, knights and or chosen with marks of tzeentch in army then you can't take both warshrine and favor of the gods.
Wood Elf:
Dryads are 0-2.
Eternal Guard are 0-2.
Glade Guard are limited to 30 models. Don't include Scouts in this limit!
Max 10 Glade Riders.
Max 10 Scouts.
Wand of Wych Elm counts as +1 DD;
Hvala svima na strpljenju!
Rules changes:
- 2 Characters in a unit will get "look out sir" versus the following spells that automatically kill models or automatically remove an entire regiment: Dwellers Below, Final Transmutation, Dreaded 13th, Infernal Gateway 11-12 effect. Normal requirements for lookout sir apply.
- Folding Fortress is not allowed
Army Restrictions:
- No Special or Named Characters.
- Army used can be any of the currently published GW Army books. Forge World based army lists & units may not be used on the event, except for Chaos Dwarves.
- All BSBs can take all the Equipment, their unit type has acces to as if they weren't BSBs.
- Units cannot be more than 35 models nor 350 points (including all command, upgrades, magic items/banners). This restriction applies during the creation of the roster - unit size/cost may be increased during the game (for example - by joining characters to the unit). This restriction does not apply to characters.
- Unit can only have 1 character in them. BSB doesn't count.
- All units are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules.
- All lord characters are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules.
- Max 1 level 4 mage in army.
- Max 1 lord character.
- All hero characters are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules (BSB doesn't count for this limit if it has magic banner; BSB doesn't count for this limit if it doesn't have magic items and is of infantry / cavalry type (no MC / MB / fly, etc. !)
- Magic items that give you bolt thrower equivallent are counted as bolt thrower choice in army (so you can't have 2 bolt throwers and magical bolt thrower).
- The best ward save that you can have, ever, against magic is 4+ ward save. No matter what combination of items / spells / anything else you have, you can't get ward save that is better than 4+.
- Units of Monstrous Cavalry have maximum size of 4.
- Mounts for characters are included in limit, which would most often be 0-1 (so, if you mount character on chariot, you use a slot for that chariot, if you mount character on stegadon, you can't take stegadon as rare slot, you can't have 2 heralds on juggernauts of khorne, etc.).
- You can't duplicate any type of magic items. This includes, but is not limited, to things like Vampire Bloodline powers, Dwarven runes, Bretonnian Virtues, etc.
- You can't take 2 dispell / destroy scrolls, no matter what their name is. So you can't take Silver Mirror + Dispell scroll for example.
- Maximum of 1 model in your army can have more spells than normal for his level. This includes, but is not limited to magic items that give you knoweldge of complete lore.
- Magic items that work as Bolt Thrower, count as Bolt Thrower. So, if you take 1 of those, you can't take Bolt Thrower in your army.
- You can use a maximum of 1 flame template weapon per turn (both during shooting & HtH).
Magic Restrictions:
- Apart from Winds of magic, an army may only use 2 PD/DD per magic phase. After an army generates the limit all the other extra dice are discarded. This includes channeled PD/DD.
- Player can use maximum 5 PD to cast a spell. For death & shadow spells this max is lowered to 4 power dice.
- An army may use up to 12 PD during each phase.
- You may have units/abilities that actually would generate more than 2 extra dice, but any excess dice are lost
- Some magic items/abilities count as generating dice toward this limit.
- “Count as” items/abilities may never exceed a cumulative 2 PD/DD per phase. This means that player who already spent his limit PD limit, can’t take more items which “count as adding PD” or add PD from channeling during game (same for DD).
- All modifiers are applied from the army list and will not change during the game.
- If a dice is stolen from the opponent’s pool, but your army has already generated two extra dice, the dice is removed from the opponent’s pool and then discarded.
- Some special items and abilities DECREASE the limit of power or dispel dice you can add to the pool. We refer to those as “count as” items. What this means is that, if your roster includes one “counts as 1 Power Dice (PD)” item, your army can only add 1 power dice (instead of the usual 2 dice) to the pool in each of your own magic phases of the entire game (regardless of whether the item is destroyed or used up).
- you cannot have a combination of items that would decrease the limit of extra power or dispel dice to below zero.
- Any item that auto-dispels a spell counts as generating 1 DD each magic phase.
Army Specific Restrictions:
Beastmen:
Gor herds are 0-2.
Tuskog chariots are 0-2.
Ungor herd are 0-2.
Spawn of chaos are 0-2.
Can't have both Crown of Horns and Crown of Command.
Bretonnia:
Man at arms are 0-2.
Max 20 bowmen.
Max 20 bowmen skirmishers.
Can't have both Crown of Command and Virtue of Penitent.
Can't have both Sword of Heroes and Virtue of Heroism.
The maximum charge range bonus your units can have is +d6". This includes, but is not limited to Banner of Swiftness.
Maximum 10 Mounted Yeomen in army.
Daemons:
Bloodletters of Khorne are 0-2.
Daemonnetes of Slaanesh are 0-2.
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch are 0-2.
Plaguebearers of Nurgle are 0-2.
Max. 30 Models per unit; Daemonic Battle Standard can have gifts if his magic banner does not cost over 50pts. Siren song cannot be taken by Herald of Slaanesh.
You can cast a maximum total of 2 Flickering Fire of Tzeentch / Bolt of Tzeentch during any Magic Phase.
Dark Elf:
Max 20 total repeater crossbows in army (total up corsairs, warriors, shadows....).
Dark elf warriors are 0-2.
Corsairs are 0-2.
Chariots are 0-2.
Max 10 Shadows.
Pendant of khaeleth cannot be taken by lord characters, player may take up to 2 of following: Pendant of khaeleth\Crown of command\Cauldron of Blood\Hydra.
Assassins are 0-1, too!
Dwarf:
Longbeards are 0-2.
Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 Rangers.
Max 10 Quarrellers.
Max 10 Thunderers.
You can take Anvil of Doom, and runelord can take 1 dispell rune, even through that would exceed normal limit for generation of DD.
Only 2 warmachines can take engineer upgrade.
Empire:
Free company are 0-2.
Halberdiers are 0-2.
Swordsmen are 0-2.
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 10 archers or Max 10 huntsmen.
Max 10 handgunners.
Max 10 crossbowmen.
Max 5 outriders or Max 10 pistoliers.
Knights & Inner Circle knights are 0-1. So you can't have both choices. In addition, you can have a maximum of 17 knights / inner circle knights and reiksguard knights.
You can't take both Steam Tank and Hellblaster.
High elf:
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 2 total of Lion & Tiranoc Chariots.
Ellyrian Reavers are max 10 if they have bows.
Max 10 Shadow Warriors.
Max 10 archers.
Max 10 Lothern Sea Guard. If you don't take archers / shadow warriors, you can place 20 Lothern Sea Guards.
Can't take Vortex Shard.
Can take maximum 1 of the following items: Book of Hoeth / Banner of World Dragon / Dispell Scroll / Sigil of Asuryan. If you take Book of Hoeth you can't generate additional power / dispell dice.
Lizardmen:
Saurus Warriors are 0-2.
Skinks (note: not Skink Skirmishers!) are 0-2 (maxium of 1 unit with Kroxigors).
Max 10 Skink Skirmishers.
Can't take both Stegadon and Ancient Stegadon in army.
Can't take both Salamander and Razordon unit.
Player may take up to 2 of following: Becalming Cogitations\ Focus of Mystery\ Focused Rumination \Higher State of Consciousness; Becalming Cogitations counts as +2DD;
Can't take Cupped hands of the Old Ones
Higher State of Consciousness counts as 2 discplines (takes two slots, but cost same points); Crown of Command & Higher State of Consciousness cannot be taken on 1 model
Max 1 of these in army death lore/bane head/feedback scroll
Can't take both The Horn of Kygor & Crown of Command in army.
Cube of Darkness can't end magic phase.
Ogre:
Ogres are 0-2.
Max 20 gnoblars.
Hellheart counts as 2dd & 1pd, Greedyfist on death mage counts as 2dd, Rune Maw Banner counts as 1dd.
Orcs and Goblins:
Goblins are 0-2.
Night Goblins are 0-2 (maximum of 1 unit with fanatics).
Orc Boyz are 0-2.
Maximum total of 40 orcs / goblins with shooting weapons.
All hero choices are 0-1 (except for BSB under same restriction as noted in army restrictions).
Max 10 Forest Goblin Spider Riders, if they carry short bow.
Max 10 Goblin Wolf Riders, if they carry short bow.
Units of Goblins / Night Goblins that carry short bows are limited to 20 models.
Max 10 Orc Arrer Boyz.
Max 10 Savage Orc Boyz if they carry bows.
Night Goblin Shamans mushroom dice do not count as power dice in regard to the PD limit. Maximum model cap is 50 models per unit.
Skaven:
Clanrats and Stormvermin units have a combined total of 0-3.
All weapons teams are also 0-1.
Max 10 nigh runners.
Max 10 gutter runners.
Max 10 Globadiers.
Max 10 Jezzails.
You can't take both night runners and gutter runners.
Can take max 2 of the following: doom rocket, brass orb, storm banner, crown of command.
Tomb Kings:
Skeleton Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 horse archers.
Max 20 skeleton bowmen.
Max 2 units of chariots.
Max 3 ushabti with great bow.
Neferra's Scrolls of Mighty Incantations counts as 2 PD AND 2 DD.
Hierotitan is worth 1 PD so long as it's alive. Tomb Kings may generate up to 3 power dice per phase.
Any priest can be Hierophant, not just the one with the highest LD.
Can't take any other kind of Sphinx if you take Necrosphinx / Warsphinx.
Vampires:
Skeletons are 0-2.
Zombies are 0-2.
Ethereals are limited to 0-2. In addition, you can't take both Hexwraiths and Spirit Hosts. Characters are included in this limit! (so if you take 1 Ethereal character, you can only take 1 unit of Ethereal models).
Master of black arts & blasphemous tome upgrade are 1pd each.
Can't take both Red Fury and Quickblood abilities in army.
Max of 3 flying units (including characters!), max 15 mounted characters and black knights combined.
Max one banshee ghoustly howl or terrorgheist death shriek can be used per turn
Warriors of Chaos:
Marauders are 0-2.
Chaos Warriors are 0-2.
Chariots are 0-2.
Infernal Puppet counts as +1 PD and +2DD.
If you have warriors, knights and or chosen with marks of tzeentch in army then you can't take both warshrine and favor of the gods.
Wood Elf:
Dryads are 0-2.
Eternal Guard are 0-2.
Glade Guard are limited to 30 models. Don't include Scouts in this limit!
Max 10 Glade Riders.
Max 10 Scouts.
Wand of Wych Elm counts as +1 DD;
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
jel ovo "/" predstavlja "ili" tj. da li mogu da uzmem 20 garde i 10 strelaca ako ne uzmem shadow warriore?Mrzimsvee wrote:If you don't take archers / shadow warriors, you can place 20 Lothern Sea Guards.
Last edited by Joske on Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ne, to predstavlja "i".
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ovo za hierophanta je greska. Hierophant mora biti priest sa najvecim lvlom i MORA koristiti nehekharu. Molim pojasnite ovo - jel to znaci da mogu uzeti Lvl1 prista koji ce biti nehek, i lvl4 prista koji ce biti light/death?Tomb Kings:
Skeleton Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 horse archers.
Max 20 skeleton bowmen.
Max 2 units of chariots.
Max 3 ushabti with great bow.
Neferra's Scrolls of Mighty Incantations counts as 2 PD AND 2 DD.
Hierotitan is worth 1 PD so long as it's alive. Tomb Kings may generate up to 3 power dice per phase.
Any priest can be Hierophant, not just the one with the highest LD.
Can't take any other kind of Sphinx if you take Necrosphinx / Warsphinx.
Takodje mislim da TK treba da ima 2PD limit pod ovakvim restrikcijama. 3PD je previshe... Uostalom videcete
Jako je loshe ovo sto ste stavili da glade guard ne moze makar 15 modela u jedinici. To je greska. Kako sacuvati heroja kad magijom npr sklonis 6 glade gardista, i onda katapult u vugla? Ne treba mi playtestiranje da bih ovo shvatio... Samo chekam neko da kaze "pa uzmes 20 eternal gardista". hahah 20 eternal gardista kostaju 250pts!Wood Elf:
Dryads are 0-2.
Eternal Guard are 0-2.
Glade Guard are 0-3 & each unit can have max of 10 models. Don't include Scouts in this limit!
Max 10 Glade Riders.
Max 10 Scouts.
kolko je 30x12? Poslednji put kad sam racunao je 360. A to je jedinica od 30 nekih core demona bez komande. A limit je 350pts. Molim vas ne brzajte toliko sa ACom. Super je inicijativa, meni se svidja ac generalno. Ali imate propusta bash...Daemons:
Bloodletters of Khorne are 0-2.
Daemonnetes of Slaanesh are 0-2.
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch are 0-2.
Plaguebearers of Nurgle are 0-2.
Max. 30 Models per unit; Daemonic Battle Standard can have gifts if his magic banner does not cost over 50pts. Siren song cannot be taken by Herald of Slaanesh.
You can cast a maximum total of 2 Flickering Fire of Tzeentch / Bolt of Tzeentch during any Magic Phase.
Ovo je jako loshe. Ako uzmes jedno, ne moze uzeti ostala 2. Ovde ubijate ono zbog cega mi se svidja AC, a to je raznovrsnost. Zar je 20 obicnih 24" bow strela toliko op? Jeste oni imaju ASF al sta to znaci? dakle vracamo se na:jel ovo "/" predstavlja "ili" tj. da li mogu da uzmem 20 garde i 10 strelaca ako ne uzmem shadow warriore?
Da li je to bila ideja? ili je ideja da uopste nemas magove, jer kad ih stavis u unit onda ce on umreti... Mag je pichka i on nece da se bije. On sedi sa strelcima. Ne vidim kako ce da sedi sa 10 strelaca...Kako sacuvati heroja kad magijom npr sklonis 6 glade gardista, i onda katapult u vugla?
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ja bih za sve ovo rekao - kao i u prosloj ligi.Jel se uvek igra na 2000pts sa jednom listom koju posaljemo? Ili se menjaju liste pre svake partije kako nam odgovara?
Da li je i dalje pravilo 'open list'? Nadam se da nije...
Takodje, sta je sa LoS pravilima? Je l' ih ima?
Hierophant moze da bude manji level neh., a veci light / death / sta god lore.
Ja cu igrati sa wood elfovima ukoliko Bogdan obezbedi figure, tako da se nadam da smo time resili i dileme oko wood elfova
.I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Cao, par pitanja oko AC za HE (posto se slabo razumem u druge armije) - army comp je lagan i interesantanMrzimsvee wrote:High elf:
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 2 total of Lion & Tiranoc Chariots.
Ellyrian Reavers are max 10 if they have bows.
Max 10 Shadow Warriors.
Max 10 archers.
Max 10 Lothern Sea Guard. If you don't take archers / shadow warriors, you can place 20 Lothern Sea Guards.
Can't take Vortex Shard.
Can take maximum 1 of the following items: Book of Hoeth / Banner of World Dragon / Dispell Scroll / Sigil of Asuryan. If you take Book of Hoeth you can't generate additional power / dispell dice.
i prilicno mi se svidja, ali imam dve ideje/sugestije:1) Ogranicenja za HE core su vrlo tvrda. Ovako kako stoji, HE imaju sledece opcije: 0-10 archera, 0-20 LSG (ali max 20 ukupno archers/LSG) i 1-2 jedinice spearmana. Primetimo da ne postoji matematika u kojoj moze da se preskoci bar 1 jedinica spearmana. Dakle, AC nas "tera" na spear-heavy core, a to gura stvari u smeru Shadow/Mindrazor, koji se nekima od nas ne svidja
Takodje treba imati u vidu da HE imaju samo 3 core opcije pa su mogucnosti za kombinacije vrlo limitirane.Predlog: mozda treba pustiti 0-2 za jos neke HE core jedinice i/ili smanjiti ogranicenja za broj modela?
2) Ogranicenja za HE pucanje je cudno: HE mogu da uzmu i do 40 strelaca, ali oni moraju da budu u 4 jedinice po 10 (ili 10 ER, 10 SW i 1x20 LSG). Ja volim HE pucanje (totalno mi je fluffy
) ali ER/SW/LSG su i za HE uslove preskupi za ono sto rade tako da se ovakva super-mix shooting lista vrlo ne isplati Predlog: promeniti HE shooting ogranicenja tako da budu u formi kao za DE (oni mogu da biraju jedinice kojima ce dati pucanje):
... Max 20 total repeater crossbows in army (total up corsairs, warriors, shadows....)
Za HE bi ovo moglo da bude:
... Max 30 total bows in army (total up archers, LSG, shadow warriors, reavers....)
Stavio sam 30 zato sto mislim da je 20 RxB sa 2x S3 AP napada dosta opasnije od 20 S3 napada, ali mozda vi mislite drugacije
U svakom slucaju - ako je cilj bio da se limitira shooting svima, onda su HE cini mi se najgore prosli u odnosu na DE/WE
Toliko - sta mislite?
Pozz!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Pa ideja je bila da se ogranice neke stvari koje su se pokazale losim po igranje. 40 shootinga je neki okvirni limit na svim armijama (neke imaju plus-minus nesto). Mislim da je to i dalje sasvim dovoljno, ali ne i preterano. Kada imas prost limit od 40 pucanja, to je onda uvek 40 handgunnera npr. Sto je druga stvar koju smo hteli da izbegnemo (dupliranje "next best choice"). Ovako kako je sada limitirano, mozes da uzmes po malo od svega, a ne puno "jednog istog". U svakom slucaju ce dovesti makar do malo sarenolikosti u onome sto se do sada stanradno igralo.
AC sigurno nije savrsen - toga smo svi svesni. Videcemo nakon ove lige sta sve treba popraviti / promeniti, pa cemo, nadam se, imati sve bolji i bolji.
WE jeste prosao malo bolje, zato sto on malo toga drugog ima kao opciju.
AC sigurno nije savrsen - toga smo svi svesni. Videcemo nakon ove lige sta sve treba popraviti / promeniti, pa cemo, nadam se, imati sve bolji i bolji.
WE jeste prosao malo bolje, zato sto on malo toga drugog ima kao opciju.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ajde kad smo vec krenuli u diskusiju - evo sta ja mislim o ovomeDzon Vejn wrote:Pa ideja je bila da se ogranice neke stvari koje su se pokazale losim po igranje. 40 shootinga je neki okvirni limit na svim armijama (neke imaju plus-minus nesto). Mislim da je to i dalje sasvim dovoljno, ali ne i preterano. Kada imas prost limit od 40 pucanja, to je onda uvek 40 handgunnera npr. Sto je druga stvar koju smo hteli da izbegnemo (dupliranje "next best choice"). Ovako kako je sada limitirano, mozes da uzmes po malo od svega, a ne puno "jednog istog". U svakom slucaju ce dovesti makar do malo sarenolikosti u onome sto se do sada stanradno igralo.
AC sigurno nije savrsen - toga smo svi svesni. Videcemo nakon ove lige sta sve treba popraviti / promeniti, pa cemo, nadam se, imati sve bolji i bolji.
WE jeste prosao malo bolje, zato sto on malo toga drugog ima kao opciju.
HE uglavnom biraju archere u core (i ponegde jednu jedinicu spearmana) ne zato sto su archers OMFG overpowered, nego zato sto je to "najmanje losa" opcija. HE core je generalno prilicno los - npr. nikada nisam video HE listu koja trosi vise nego apsolutni minimum poena na core. Deo problema je i u tome sto HE imaju mali broj jedinica na raspolaganju.
Uporedimo ovo sa npr DE, Empire, Dwarf core opcijama (mozda ima i boljih, samo ja ne znam), koje su izuzetno raznovrsne (konjica, letaci, skirmisheri, skauti...) i zapravo korisne
Mnoge armije veoma cesto trose vise nego minimalan broj poena na core izbore, ali HE to ne rade nikad, zato sto je HE core dosta slabDakle ono sto ti zoves "najbolji izbor" i "sledeci najbolji izbor" je iz HE ugla zapravo "najmanje los izbor" i "sledeci najmanje los izbor".
Objektivno gledano AC opcije za HE core su najvise krute, iako je sam HE core jako los. Uporedimo to sa recimo DE core opcijama i ogranicenjima i mislim da su DE prosli mnogo bolje u ovom AC, iako imaju dosta bolje core opcije.
Moje misljenje je da sa ovim AC HE core postaje jos beskorisniji deo HE vojske, i da treba pronaci neki drugi nacin da se poveca raznovrsnost (dao sam svoj predlog gore)
Jel ovo ima smisla? Sta kazu ostali HE generali?
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Re: Rasprava o AC-u
I tako opet svako kuka na restrikcije za njegovu vojsku... Kako ocekivano... 
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Zasto mislis da je u pitanju kukanje? Samo se vodi diskusija o AC, njegovim prednostima i nedostatcima. Kao sto je i pomenuto, svako pravljenje AC je nezahvalan posao i ne treba da se svede na par pojedinaca nego svi treba da ucestvuju u diskusiji, pa da se skupe komentari i misljenja. Na kraju, svi mi treba sutra da igramo po tom AC, zasto ne bi komentarisali isti. Duletu i Dzonu pohvala jer su barem pokusali nesto da urade i licno ih ne kritikujem zbog ovoga ili onoga u AC, samo iskazujem svoje misljenje, koje ne mora da bude validno...zato su tu ostali koji su duze u prici od mene i mogu da me isprave.bojan wrote:I tako opet svako kuka na restrikcije za njegovu vojsku... Kako ocekivano...
Licno ne znam dobro ostale armije (osim HE) pa njih ne mogu komentarisati, ali ono sa cime igram mi je prilicno poznato i tu odprilike mogu da sagledam problematiku. Slicno ovome sto je vladamex izneo sam i sam napisao nedavno, ali ti postovi su obrisani (verovatno greskom). Pored stvari koje sam navodio, problematicna kompozicija core trupa, problem postavljanja Lv4 maga generala, ne mogucnost imanja jednince koja moze da istrpi nesto gubitaka pre CC, a da ima sanse nesto da uradi posle (zbog limita u poenima) itd.... u konkretnom slucaju, moj problem je i u tome sto sa predlozenim AC ne mogu da sastavim listu
jer nemam dovoljno modela. Imam 30-tak strelaca i 25 LSG koje koristim kao kopljanike i to mi jedva popuni 25% core u 2K listama. Sada mogu da biram da uzmem 10 jednoga, 10 drugoga i ostalo sve moram od trecega cega nemam . Ok mozes kazati 'ko ti je kriv' i to je ok, ali nisam jedini koji nema dovoljno modela i verujem da i drugi ljudi imaju slican problem (btw. imam ofarbanih 25 Silver Helmova koji su bili core u 6-toj, ali eto imam tu 'srecu' da se core u HE cesto menja pa kad nakupim neceg dovoljno, posle se ispostavi da ne vredi, pa treba ponovo itd...).Meni licno, kakav god bio AC igracu bez problema (ili u ovom slucaju necu jer ne mogu da sastavim listu
). Volim HE zbog fluffa, vecina modela u armiji mi je ok i igracu ih i u buduce bez obzira na pravila i AC-ove. Ovo je samo feedback od jednog od igraca i pokusaj da se stvari unaprede za ubuduce.Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Sve ce to biti ok kada krenemo da se igramo. Evo ja sam uzeo wood elfove koje ste proglasili za najgoru armiju. I svaki sledeci put cu uzimati najgoru armiju (ako bude neko ko je voljan da uzajmi modele). Nadam se da time prevazilazimo diskusije ovog tipa.
Mislim da je izvodljivo da pozajmis neke HE figure ili da proksujes neke ukoliko je u pitanju da nemas dovoljno da bi se igrao.
Mislim da je izvodljivo da pozajmis neke HE figure ili da proksujes neke ukoliko je u pitanju da nemas dovoljno da bi se igrao.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Pa hajde, videcu da li mogu da se sastavim nekako.
Ako ti trebaju WE reci, imam dosta modela iz 5-te edicije i svi su ofarbani
Ako ti trebaju WE reci, imam dosta modela iz 5-te edicije i svi su ofarbani
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Okies .
.I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Bojane (i ostali) -> cilj je bio da se AC razjasni i (eventualno) popravi kroz prijateljsku diskusiju - razumem da je tesko napraviti idealan AC, ali mislim da je ok da ljudi iznesu svoje misljenje i predloge (koji ne moraju biti prihvaceni, kao u ovom slucaju). Ja na zalost dobro poznajem samo HE armiju, tako da za ostale vojske nema smisla da komentarisem. Nadam se da je sada jasnijebojan wrote:I tako opet svako kuka na restrikcije za njegovu vojsku... Kako ocekivano...
@Dzon Vejn - pretpostavljam da se ove sugestije nece usvojiti? Kao i Mitar, i ja imam problema da popunim core sa ovakvim AC - pokusacemo da nadjemo neko resenje...
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Pa za ovaj put smo postavili ruleset, i to je to sto se tice ovog puta. Sve ove sugestije + playtesting mozemo razmotriti nakon ove lige, i daleko od toga da mislim da je beskorisno iznositi svoja misljenja. Mada u ovom konkretnom slucaju - ne mislim da HE-ima nesto fali . Mislim da ima armija koje su u mnogo gorem polozaju. Prica o neposedovanju figura za igranje je nesto sasvim drugo, i nadam se da tu mozemo da nadjemo neki kompromis u tom pogledu (neki proksiji / pozajmice / nesto).
. Mislim da ima armija koje su u mnogo gorem polozaju. Prica o neposedovanju figura za igranje je nesto sasvim drugo, i nadam se da tu mozemo da nadjemo neki kompromis u tom pogledu (neki proksiji / pozajmice / nesto).I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Aj da kazem koju i ja:Mrzimsvee wrote:Ovo je finalna ideja AC-a, naravno u njoj ima sigurno brdo propusta alibi mogli da probamo da igramo ligu i na taj naci playtestiramo ovaj tzv. AC. Naravno ako vam se ne svidja mozete bojkotovati ligu i onda ce se igrati liga bez ikakvog AC-a.
Hvala svima na strpljenju!
Rules changes:
- 2 Characters in a unit will get "look out sir" versus the following spells that automatically kill models or automatically remove an entire regiment: Dwellers Below, Final Transmutation, Dreaded 13th, Infernal Gateway 11-12 effect. Normal requirements for lookout sir apply.
- Folding Fortress is not allowed
Army Restrictions:
- No Special or Named Characters.
- Army used can be any of the currently published GW Army books. Forge World based army lists & units may not be used on the event, except for Chaos Dwarves.
- All BSBs can take all the Equipment, their unit type has acces to as if they weren't BSBs.
- Units cannot be more than 35 models nor 350 points (including all command, upgrades, magic items/banners). This restriction applies during the creation of the roster - unit size/cost may be increased during the game (for example - by joining characters to the unit). This restriction does not apply to characters.
- Unit can only have 1 character in them. BSB doesn't count.
- All units are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules.
- All lord characters are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules.
- Max 1 level 4 mage in army.
- Max 1 lord character.
- All hero characters are 0-1 choice, except where otherwise is noted in army specific rules (BSB doesn't count for this limit if it has magic banner; BSB doesn't count for this limit if it doesn't have magic items and is of infantry / cavalry type (no MC / MB / fly, etc. !)
- Magic items that give you bolt thrower equivallent are counted as bolt thrower choice in army (so you can't have 2 bolt throwers and magical bolt thrower).
- The best ward save that you can have, ever, against magic is 4+ ward save. No matter what combination of items / spells / anything else you have, you can't get ward save that is better than 4+.
- Units of Monstrous Cavalry have maximum size of 4.
- Mounts for characters are included in limit, which would most often be 0-1 (so, if you mount character on chariot, you use a slot for that chariot, if you mount character on stegadon, you can't take stegadon as rare slot, you can't have 2 heralds on juggernauts of khorne, etc.).
- You can't duplicate any type of magic items. This includes, but is not limited, to things like Vampire Bloodline powers, Dwarven runes, Bretonnian Virtues, etc.
- You can't take 2 dispell / destroy scrolls, no matter what their name is. So you can't take Silver Mirror + Dispell scroll for example.
- Maximum of 1 model in your army can have more spells than normal for his level. This includes, but is not limited to magic items that give you knoweldge of complete lore.
- Magic items that work as Bolt Thrower, count as Bolt Thrower. So, if you take 1 of those, you can't take Bolt Thrower in your army.
- You can use a maximum of 1 flame template weapon per turn (both during shooting & HtH).
Magic Restrictions:
- Apart from Winds of magic, an army may only use 2 PD/DD per magic phase. After an army generates the limit all the other extra dice are discarded. This includes channeled PD/DD.
- Player can use maximum 5 PD to cast a spell. For death & shadow spells this max is lowered to 4 power dice.
- An army may use up to 12 PD during each phase.
- You may have units/abilities that actually would generate more than 2 extra dice, but any excess dice are lost
- Some magic items/abilities count as generating dice toward this limit.
- “Count as” items/abilities may never exceed a cumulative 2 PD/DD per phase. This means that player who already spent his limit PD limit, can’t take more items which “count as adding PD” or add PD from channeling during game (same for DD).
- All modifiers are applied from the army list and will not change during the game.
- If a dice is stolen from the opponent’s pool, but your army has already generated two extra dice, the dice is removed from the opponent’s pool and then discarded.
- Some special items and abilities DECREASE the limit of power or dispel dice you can add to the pool. We refer to those as “count as” items. What this means is that, if your roster includes one “counts as 1 Power Dice (PD)” item, your army can only add 1 power dice (instead of the usual 2 dice) to the pool in each of your own magic phases of the entire game (regardless of whether the item is destroyed or used up).
- you cannot have a combination of items that would decrease the limit of extra power or dispel dice to below zero.
- Any item that auto-dispels a spell counts as generating 1 DD each magic phase.
Army Specific Restrictions:
Beastmen:
Gor herds are 0-2.
Tuskog chariots are 0-2.
Ungor herd are 0-2.
Spawn of chaos are 0-2.
Can't have both Crown of Horns and Crown of Command.
Bretonnia:
Man at arms are 0-2.
Max 20 bowmen.
Max 20 bowmen skirmishers.
Can't have both Crown of Command and Virtue of Penitent.
Can't have both Sword of Heroes and Virtue of Heroism.
The maximum charge range bonus your units can have is +d6". This includes, but is not limited to Banner of Swiftness.
Maximum 10 Mounted Yeomen in army.
Daemons:
Bloodletters of Khorne are 0-2.
Daemonnetes of Slaanesh are 0-2.
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch are 0-2.
Plaguebearers of Nurgle are 0-2.
Max. 30 Models per unit; Daemonic Battle Standard can have gifts if his magic banner does not cost over 50pts. Siren song cannot be taken by Herald of Slaanesh.
You can cast a maximum total of 2 Flickering Fire of Tzeentch / Bolt of Tzeentch during any Magic Phase.
Dark Elf:
Max 20 total repeater crossbows in army (total up corsairs, warriors, shadows....).
Dark elf warriors are 0-2.
Corsairs are 0-2.
Chariots are 0-2.
Max 10 Shadows.
Pendant of khaeleth cannot be taken by lord characters, player may take up to 2 of following: Pendant of khaeleth\Crown of command\Cauldron of Blood\Hydra.
Assassins are 0-1, too!
Dwarf:
Longbeards are 0-2.
Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 Rangers.
Max 10 Quarrellers.
Max 10 Thunderers.
You can take Anvil of Doom, and runelord can take 1 dispell rune, even through that would exceed normal limit for generation of DD.
Only 2 warmachines can take engineer upgrade.
Empire:
Free company are 0-2.
Halberdiers are 0-2.
Swordsmen are 0-2.
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 10 archers or Max 10 huntsmen.
Max 10 handgunners.
Max 10 crossbowmen.
Max 5 outriders or Max 10 pistoliers.
Knights & Inner Circle knights are 0-1. So you can't have both choices. In addition, you can have a maximum of 17 knights / inner circle knights and reiksguard knights.
You can't take both Steam Tank and Hellblaster.
High elf:
Spearmen are 0-2.
Max 2 total of Lion & Tiranoc Chariots.
Ellyrian Reavers are max 10 if they have bows.
Max 10 Shadow Warriors.
Max 10 archers.
Max 10 Lothern Sea Guard. If you don't take archers / shadow warriors, you can place 20 Lothern Sea Guards.
Can't take Vortex Shard.
Can take maximum 1 of the following items: Book of Hoeth / Banner of World Dragon / Dispell Scroll / Sigil of Asuryan. If you take Book of Hoeth you can't generate additional power / dispell dice.
Lizardmen:
Saurus Warriors are 0-2.
Skinks (note: not Skink Skirmishers!) are 0-2 (maxium of 1 unit with Kroxigors).
Max 10 Skink Skirmishers.
Can't take both Stegadon and Ancient Stegadon in army.
Can't take both Salamander and Razordon unit.
Player may take up to 2 of following: Becalming Cogitations\ Focus of Mystery\ Focused Rumination \Higher State of Consciousness; Becalming Cogitations counts as +2DD;
Can't take Cupped hands of the Old Ones
Higher State of Consciousness counts as 2 discplines (takes two slots, but cost same points); Crown of Command & Higher State of Consciousness cannot be taken on 1 model
Max 1 of these in army death lore/bane head/feedback scroll
Can't take both The Horn of Kygor & Crown of Command in army.
Cube of Darkness can't end magic phase.
Ogre:
Ogres are 0-2.
Max 20 gnoblars.
Hellheart counts as 2dd & 1pd, Greedyfist on death mage counts as 2dd, Rune Maw Banner counts as 1dd.
Orcs and Goblins:
Goblins are 0-2.
Night Goblins are 0-2 (maximum of 1 unit with fanatics).
Orc Boyz are 0-2.
Maximum total of 40 orcs / goblins with shooting weapons.
All hero choices are 0-1 (except for BSB under same restriction as noted in army restrictions).
Max 10 Forest Goblin Spider Riders, if they carry short bow.
Max 10 Goblin Wolf Riders, if they carry short bow.
Units of Goblins / Night Goblins that carry short bows are limited to 20 models.
Max 10 Orc Arrer Boyz.
Max 10 Savage Orc Boyz if they carry bows.
Night Goblin Shamans mushroom dice do not count as power dice in regard to the PD limit. Maximum model cap is 50 models per unit.
Skaven:
Clanrats and Stormvermin units have a combined total of 0-3.
All weapons teams are also 0-1.
Max 10 nigh runners.
Max 10 gutter runners.
Max 10 Globadiers.
Max 10 Jezzails.
You can't take both night runners and gutter runners.
Can take max 2 of the following: doom rocket, brass orb, storm banner, crown of command.
Tomb Kings:
Skeleton Warriors are 0-2.
Max 10 horse archers.
Max 20 skeleton bowmen.
Max 2 units of chariots.
Max 3 ushabti with great bow.
Neferra's Scrolls of Mighty Incantations counts as 2 PD AND 2 DD.
Hierotitan is worth 1 PD so long as it's alive. Tomb Kings may generate up to 3 power dice per phase.
Any priest can be Hierophant, not just the one with the highest LD.
Can't take any other kind of Sphinx if you take Necrosphinx / Warsphinx.
Vampires:
Skeletons are 0-2.
Zombies are 0-2.
Ethereals are limited to 0-2. In addition, you can't take both Hexwraiths and Spirit Hosts. Characters are included in this limit! (so if you take 1 Ethereal character, you can only take 1 unit of Ethereal models).
Master of black arts & blasphemous tome upgrade are 1pd each.
Can't take both Red Fury and Quickblood abilities in army.
Max of 3 flying units (including characters!), max 15 mounted characters and black knights combined.
Max one banshee ghoustly howl or terrorgheist death shriek can be used per turn
Warriors of Chaos:
Marauders are 0-2.
Chaos Warriors are 0-2.
Chariots are 0-2.
Infernal Puppet counts as +1 PD and +2DD.
If you have warriors, knights and or chosen with marks of tzeentch in army then you can't take both warshrine and favor of the gods.
Wood Elf:
Dryads are 0-2.
Eternal Guard are 0-2.
Glade Guard are limited to 30 models. Don't include Scouts in this limit!
Max 10 Glade Riders.
Max 10 Scouts.
Wand of Wych Elm counts as +1 DD;
1.) Povecajte broj HE strelaca na 30 bar
2.) TK na 40 strelaca
3.) Kao Haotik, hvala na ojacavanju... covek sa iole osrednjim mozgom ce sa ovim AC da bude u vrhu.
4.) Carstvo je nacinjeno u najjacu magijsku listu, isto vazi i za Skavene
5.) Konjica iz Carstva je ogranicena, to ih zapravo ojacava, da se ne nadje neka budala (citaj Ja, da izvede konjicu koja zapravo nece nista da uradi)
6.) Demoni su smrt u boji... kojoj god hoces, a za pametne Khorn sa malim dopunama...
7.) Od Orka ste napravili veoma interesantan kombo... videcemo u praxi
8.) Lizardmen nek ima vise skinkova carkasa
Toliko od mene
Josef Quartjin (Enemy Within):
"Zbogom Wittgendorf-e na k...c te nabijem" Sommerzeit 13. 2512.
"Zbogom Wittgendorf-e na k...c te nabijem" Sommerzeit 13. 2512.
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Nisam shvatio jednu stvar. Liste mozemo da menjamo pred svaku partiju, ali da li su liste OTVORENE?
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Jel to znaci da se prijavljujes da nam demonstriras?3.) Kao Haotik, hvala na ojacavanju...
Pa da, kao i u prosloj.ali da li su liste OTVORENE
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ako imam Tzeentch Heralda na kociji to znaci da ne mogu da uzmem Burning Chariot (Rare)?Mrzimsvee wrote:- Mounts for characters are included in limit, which would most often be 0-1 (so, if you mount character on chariot, you use a slot for that chariot, if you mount character on stegadon, you can't take stegadon as rare slot, you can't have 2 heralds on juggernauts of khorne, etc.).
Dakle mogu da bacim maksimalno 2 BF, 2 Bolta ili 1 BF i 1 Bolt? Ne mogu 2 BF i 2 Bolta?You can cast a maximum total of 2 Flickering Fire of Tzeentch Blue Fire of Tzeentch / Bolt of Tzeentch during any Magic Phase.
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Ovo je radjeno za stari daemonski AB cisto da znas.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
1. DaZergLord wrote:Ako imam Tzeentch Heralda na kociji to znaci da ne mogu da uzmem Burning Chariot (Rare)?Mrzimsvee wrote:- Mounts for characters are included in limit, which would most often be 0-1 (so, if you mount character on chariot, you use a slot for that chariot, if you mount character on stegadon, you can't take stegadon as rare slot, you can't have 2 heralds on juggernauts of khorne, etc.).
Dakle mogu da bacim maksimalno 2 BF, 2 Bolta ili 1 BF i 1 Bolt? Ne mogu 2 BF i 2 Bolta?You can cast a maximum total of 2 Flickering Fire of Tzeentch Blue Fire of Tzeentch / Bolt of Tzeentch during any Magic Phase.
2. Da
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
E, jedno pitanje - jel HE moze da vodi 2 Bolt Throwera ili ne?
Re: Rasprava o AC-u
Moze.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."