Kings of War - Alternativa WHFB?

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Kings of War - Alternativa WHFB?

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Danas smo Nikola i ja probali Kings of War, i mogu vam reci da smo obojca prilicno zadovoljni sistemom. Mislim da je sistem znatno bolji od trenutnog WHFB sistema, i sasvim sigurno bih ga radije igrao nego WHFB.

Generalno, ako znate pravila za WHFB, znate i za ovo. Okvirno koje su razlike:
- Marsiranje moze da ide samo direktno napred (dakle nema wheel).
- Tokom obicnog kretanja, mozete napraviti 1 wheel za max 90 stepeni.
- Wheel se radi oko centra unita.
- Iako i ovde postoji pravilo 1" apart, ono nije kretensko - dakle samo ne smete zavrsiti u 1" od bilo cega. Mozete se npr. wheelovati tako da deo unita bude u nekom drugom unitu, ali je bitno da na kraju move-a nije.
- Magija je ovde znatno drugacija i vise je supportive prirode. Npr., imperijalni mag ima 2 spella (jedan je 24" 3 pucanja, 4+ to hit, pierce 1, i drugi je 12" 6 pucanja 4+ to hit).
- Svaki unit ima sledece statove: melee hit rating (broj na koji pogadja), shooting hit rating (broj na koji pogadja), movement (treba li opis? :D), defense rating (kada bude pogodjen, protivnik mora da baci taj roll da bi vas probio, a piercing smanjuje taj broj), 2 nerve stata (kao LD u WH, prvi stat oznacava kada ce unit prestati da moze da radi ofanzivne stvari, a drugi kada je unit mrtav - te dve brojke su obicno veoma blizu jedna drugoj), i broj napada (koji je isti za CC i shooting).
- Za razliku od WHF-a, ovde se modeli NE SKLANJAJU kada ih ranite. Ne mozete da verujete koliko je lakse postavljanje i sklanjanje zbog toga... Dakle jedino se skloni ceo unit kada skorz umre.
- Sampion uvek postoji, i on je uvek u frontu, u sredini jedince. Svi range-ovi, svi charge-vi, itd., sve se radi "od sampiona do sampiona".
- Uniti postoje samo od 5/10/20/40 modela. Sto je unit veci, to mu je veci nerve, ali je i skuplji u poenima.
- Kada nekoga udarite u bok, duplirate broj napada, a u rear tri puta.
- Plus razne neke sitne zackoljice - to cu ostaviti vama da procitate ;).

Manje vise to je to. Takticki gledano, igra je znatno takticnija od WHFB-a. Pre svega samo sastavljanje armije je drugacije. Postoje 3 tipa scenarija (kill poeni, objektivi, kill poeni + objektivi). To vas tera da imate balansiranu armiju. Npr. ako uzmete puno hordi, lako mozete doci do toga da ne mozete da pokrijete sve objektive. Takodje, vrlo bitna stavka su karakteri koji imaju insipring pravilo (oni vam omogucavaju da u 6" radite re-roll nerve testa, sto je ovde do jaja bitno). Naravno, sad opet, ako pak uzmete previse tih karaktera, necete imati dovoljno jedinica, itd. Postoje uvek i neki razni priest-ovi, koji mogu da vam zalece unite. I oni su naravno mnogo bitni.

Nivo na koji je dovedena magije je razuman, kao sto sam vec opisao. Shooting je slicna prica - pre svega, sve u imperiji pogadja, u najboljem slucaju, na 5. Onda vi mozete da imate neki item, ili da budete independent karakter, pa da vas pogadjam sa nekim minusima. Ako minusi dovedu na preko 6, onda se polovi broj napada (koji je i ovako mali). E sad, masina kad pogodi, obicno pravi 2d6 hitova za one masine koje imaju velike piercing-e, ili 3d6 ukoliko masina ima mali piercing. Ako ne baci onih 5+, ne desi se ama bas nista. Organ gun (hellblaster) ima 12 pucanja. Horda puskasa ima 20 pucanja (sve to opet pogadja na 5+ u najboljem slucaju). Dakle mislim da bih mogao da kazem da je i shooting dosta regulisan ovde.

U svakoj fazi u kojoj protivniku nanesete rane (sto je dakle maksimalno jednom po krugu), protivnik mora da baca nerve (leadership). Nerve test je broj rana koji je model popio do sada u borbi + 2d6. Taj zbir mora da bude manji od njegovog nerve-a. Dva keca su uvek insane courage. Dve sestice vam uvek naprave shaken rezultat na jedinici (koji se moze popraviti na razne nacine - npr neke jedinice su imune na to, a mislim da su undeadovi potpuno imuni na to :D).

Skrimisheri ne postoje. Karakteri ne mogu biti u unitu, oni su zasebni. Overrun postoje 2 tipa - ako pregazite karaktera, mozete ponovo uraditi charge. Ukoliko pregazite jedinicu, mozete napredovati D6", nazadovati D3", ili se okrenuti kako zelite. Prilikom charge-a, imate pravo na 2 wheela od po 90 stepeni (naravno mozete udariti samo ono sto ste videli na pocetku).

Igra ima 6 poteza, a 7. potez se igra na 4+. Mislim da traje manje od WH-a.

edit1: mozda najbitnije sto sam zaboravio: u vasem krugu, samo vase jedinice biju u CC. Na kraju CC, protivnik baca moral, i ako je preziveo, vi se vratite 1" unazad, dakle van borbe.

Sledi i manji battle report kad mi se uploaduju slike (obratite paznju da su sve figure na tabli obojene!!!):
edit2:
imperijalci na broju:
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armije postavljene i spremne za boj, imperijalci biraju da igraju prvi
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imperijalci blago napreduju napred, dok shooteri stoje pozadi
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svo mocno imperijalno pucanje, prouzrokovalo je 6 rana na wightovima
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i 1 ranu na wight konjici (dakle nista :D)
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svi undead-ovi napreduju (obratiti paznju na to da i undeadovi mogu da imaju mortar!)
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undead magovi lece svoje wight minione, i sad smo od onih 6 rana dosli do 4 (dakle tek sada nista)
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levi bok imperije napreduje, desni nazaduje da bih jos malo pucao; na ovoj slici se vidi da je u prethodnom krugu undead mortar naneo 3 rane mojoj konjici
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dakle kao sto rekoh: 3 rane na konjici
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svo pucanje je dovelo total rana na wightovima na 8, general na winged beastu vs wight BSB: 2 rane
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swordsmeni (plants) VS zombiji (zombies): 4 rane
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undead konjica je i dalje na 1 rani
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vampir na letelici 1 ranu popio od premocne magije :D
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e sad dolazi na red da malo undeadi biju i rezultati su:
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konjica dolazi na 5 rana, 3 na generalu koje su naneli combo wight BSB + horda skeletona
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na drugoj strani, zombiji se zalecili za 1 ranu (undead army rule - kad god nanesu ranu u CC-u, zalece se za 1 ranu), sworsmeni popili 4 rane, spearmeni 7 rana (ovde smo malo pogresno odigrali - naime mislili smo da su i karakteri na letelicama "individual", te da imaju LOS 360 stepeni), wightovi su se zalecili nazad na 6 rana, vampir se zalecio nazad na 0 rana
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ovo bi bio dobar trenutak da napomenem da postoje prednosti za odredjene formacije - npr., spearmeni nemaju bok od letelica i konjice, i ti protivnici imaju -1 na svoj normalan to hit.
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A sad malo imperija da isproba da bije (neuspesno):
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konjica nanosi 5 rana onim monstrumima
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random pucanje nanosi 1 ranu undead hordi, moj general navodi wight BSBa na 7 rana, ali ovaj i dalje prolazi moral test
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combo greatswordsa i halberdi dovodi wightove na 11 rana. Nisam ranije izgleda uslikao, ali greatswordsi su popili mortar u glavu, popili su 3 rane od njega, ali onda ih je priest zalecio nazad na 2 rane
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top nanosi 7 rana drugim zverovima (koji su presedeli bitku, jer zbog silnih undead power play :D hordi nisu imali gde da prodju), spearmeni i swordsmeni zajedno u totalu dovode zombije na 6 rana. Imerijalci nemaju specijalna pravila koja bi ih tek-tako lecila. A svo ostalo pucanje (uz suludu srecu) dovodi vampira na 5 rana.
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a onda opet biju undeadi.... (ovde se vidi, a mislim da sam ranije propustio da opisem: neka od mojih masina je pogodila skeletone, zatim sam na 2d6 dobio 11 hitova, probio tipa sve, i onda bacio opet nesto suludo na rolovima i oterao ceo unit od 20 skeletona sa table)
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zverovi prave samo 1 ranu konjici, koja opet uspeva da prodje nerve test, a zverovi se zalece za 1 ranu
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wight BSB i skeleton horda se lece za po 1 poen, moj general na winged beastu je na 5 rana i prolazi LD, wightovi su se zalecili nazad na 9 rana (sto CC-om, sto magijama)
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vampir ubija spearmene i leci se za 1 ranu, zombiji ubijaju swordsemene i lece se za 1 ranu (ajd spearmeni su trebali da umru, ali swordsmeni su umrli na velikom rolu za nerve, jer nisam imao nikoga da ih inspirise u blizini, cime bih naterao Nikolu da ponovo baci za moj nerve test), a drugo zverinje je i dalje na 7 rana
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E sad malo imperijalci biju - npr. konjica uspeva da ubije zverovlje
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ovde se vidi da i imperijlaci imaju healere - priest je izlecio konjicu nazad na 4 rane, moj general na winged beastu konacno ubija wight BSB-a, i stoji na svojih 5 rana, wightovi su dovedeni na 14 rana
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vampir je doveden na 6 rana, drugo zverovlje stoji na 7 rana, zombiji su na 5 rana
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Levi bok se malo slabije vidi na slikama pa cu ga opisati - wight konjica je ubila moju konjicu i produzila u hellblaster. To mi je omogucilo da ih udarim s ledja sa crossbowmenima i herojem. Za razliku od WH-a, gde bi to bila losa ideja, ovde sam im naneo prilican broj rana. 7. kruga nije bilo, tako da su uspeli da zadrze taj objektiv i njime pobede.

Ja sam na sredini napravio gresku, misleci da ce mi winged general biti u 3" od objektiva (iako je sve premeasured!), umesto da sam otisao na drugi objektiv.

Nisam slikao par zadnjih krugova, ali vampir je uleteo u hordi handgunera, a onda su u mom krugu handguneri pucali na njega, i uspeli da ga shake-uju (nisu ga ubili, ali on nije mogao vise da radi charge, i nije mogao da se okrece+pomera, sto ga je dosta poremetilo).

Takodje, mozda se nije najbolje shvatilo kroz ove slike, ali - jedinice koje izlete van svih insipre-ing presence-a su obicno instant-mrtvi. Neki uniti su sami za sebe inspiring (npr wight konjica), pa je tu onda malo lakse.

Ubijanje velikih karaktear je dosta tesko. Jedino karakteri na letecim cudima mogu da drze objektive (ostali karakteri ne mogu, vec samo uniti).

Konjice imaju veliki broj napada (10 konjanika 16 napada), sto ih, uz pierce 2 cini dosta dobrim (za razliku od WH-a gde su uglavnom beskorisni). Takodje, imaju i dobru izdrzljivost (5+ da ih ranite). Npr horda handgunnera i dalje ima 20 pucanja. Ono sto je prednost hordi jeste sto ima veliki nerve, pa mogu da prezive npr charge vampir lorda na winged beastu.

Vecina magicnih itema (i gotovo svi skupi itemi) imaju smisla uglavnom samo na vecim unitima. Barem za sada nisam primetio da mozes da uzmes sranje unit, das mu sranje item, i sad on odjednom postane do jaja.

Imperijalna armija je zapravo imperija + bretonija + ogrovi.

Undead armija je zapravo VC + TK.

Ako ima zainteresovanih, mogli da isprobamo jos u klubu.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dobar battle report. KoW mi se čini kao vrlo dobra alternativa WHFB-u. Koliko dugo vam je trebalo da odigrate partiju? Nekako stičem dojam da nije predugo iako ste tek prvi put igrali.
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Iako smo igrali prvi put, i iako je pravila procitao samo moj brat (inace, pravila su reda velicine 30 stranica, u okviru kojih imate opisana i sva specijalna pravila za sve armije), mislim da je partija trajala krace nego partija obicnog WHFB.

Takodje, stekao sam utisak da kada bi igrala 2 iskusna igraca (u smislu svi poznaju sva pravila, i svi znaju sve unite napamet, i svoje i protivnicke) da bi partija mogla da se odigra za 60-90 minuta. To bi ovu igru ucinilo izvrsnom za vikend turnire, jer bi mogao da se odigra veliki broj partija, cak i u jednom danu.

Valja jos napomenuti da Mantic ima i svoju verziju 40k (koja je dosta slicna ovome, ali uz jos neke dodatke koji omogucavaju malo siru strategiju). Takodje, ima i ostale GW-like igre (ipak tamo radi Alessio Cavatore).

Pored svega navedenog, njihova zvanicna pravila kazu da su "sve slicne figure OK, nebitno od kog proizvodjaca su", a i inace su njihove figure okvirno duplo jeftinije nego GW. Detaljiu nisu uopste losiji nego kod GW-a, i cak mi se KoW orkovi koje sam kupio svidjaju vise nego WHFB orkovi.

I onda jos slag na tortu - kupovinom svake kutije kod njih, dobijate neke nalepnice. Kad skupite odredjeni broj nalepnica, dobijate neku specijalnu figuru besplatno (pokusajte da zamislite da od GW-a dobijete nesto besplatno zato sto ste njihov redovan kupac...).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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ja jos malo da dodam sa svoje strane :)

Igra mi se takticki mnogo vise svidja od WHFB. Ovo sto vidite na slikama je bitka u 2000 poena. U warhammeru bi to otislo na mnogo vise. Modeli se ne sklanjanju jedan po jedan sto neverovatno doprinosi igrivosti (nemas gomilu figura u cosku koje su mrtve u stvari). Zbog toga jedinice uvek imaju isti izgled (5 modela sirina, plus random dubina za jedinice i 10 modela sirine za horde), uz neke minorne dodatke za jedinice poput ovih mojih velikih gulova npr.
Nema reforma u smislu dodavanja i oduzimanja redova sto je zapravo plus jer opet doprinosi igrivosti.

Ono sto me je najvise brinulo je da li je shooting prejak. Nije. Vidite iz battlereporta da cela horda puskasa potpomognuta sa warmachinama nije uspela da otera hordu wightova do pred kraj bitke. U warhammeru bi ih oduvali (ili barem sveli na beskorisnu grupicu) jos u prvom krugu.

Ono sto je vrlo bitno i sto nisam dobro isplanirao je odnos hordi, obicnih jedinica i karaktera. Karakteri su mnogo bitniji kao support nego kao neko ko se bije. Ali i tu imas more opcija (naizgled je jednostavno, karakteri imaju po par "generalnih pravila", ali je ustvari komplikovano). Recimo, ja sam imao vampira na winged beastu, necromancera i wight lorda na konju. E sad necron i vampir su magovi, medjutim pored toga su i hileri i supporteri. Undeadovi ne mogu da marsuju, ali karakteri mogu da ih ubrzaju u shooting fazi. Sve se koristi u shooting fazi. mozes samo jedno da radis. Hoces li koristiti ofanzivnu magiju, ubrzanje jedinice ili lecenje? Onda, recimo necron baca 8 kockica za ubrzanje, dok vampir baca 3 (necron je ocito bolji u tome), a wight king baca 6. Vampir je normalno mnogo bolji u hth, necro je bulja u hth. Necron nema "inspiring" sto znaci da nema reroll nerve testa sto je ogroman minus. Ovaj moj je imao magicni item koji mi daje to pravilo, ali to moze da ima samo jedan. Dalje, nisu to svi karakteri, ovi su samo oni koje imam ofarbane :). Ima tu i tomb kingova, lich priestova (koji najbolje prze magijom) i sl. Pravim izborom karaktera i pravom raspodelom broja jedinica i karaktera je moguca znatno poboljsati ovu listu.

Magija je isto generalizvana sto je odlicno. Postoji u princimpu jedna ofanzivna magija za bilo koju armiju i zove se ZAP! \:D/ . Proj pored toga oznacava koliko kockica se baca. Magija uvek ima 24" domet, i uvek pogadja na 4+, uvek ima piercing 1 (+1 to wound), i ono najbitnije ponistava regeneraciju. E sad recimo necron ima ZAP (3), dok liche priest ima ZAP (6). Mislim da najjaci specijalni wizard karakteri (koji kostaju oko 400 poena sto je previse) imaju ZAP (10). Dakle mozes nesto naceti ili dokrajciti magijom, ali nikako ne mozes urnisati celu armiju bacanjem iste (bez obzira koliko imas srece na kockama, jednostavno je nemoguce). U slucaju undeadova na primer, u dosta slucajeva je bolje da lecis ili ubrzavas jedinice umesto da koristis magije ofanzivno.

Prvi utisak je prilicno pozitivan. Mislim da cemo uskoro isprobati jos koju partijicu mozda i u klubu, sa sve slikama i battle reportom :).
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:applause:
svaka cast i na inicijativi i realizaciji :) ako budes imao vremena vrlo sam rad da i ja probam po KoW pravilima.
und odlican raport :)
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Ajd dogovoricemo se za neki dan sledece nedelje u klubu. Najavicemo, pa da mogu i ostali zainteresovani da svrate.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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I ja sam veoma zainteresovan, ali bi mi veoma znacilo da bude nesto kasnije popodne da bih mogao da stignem zbog posla, znaci od pet pa nadalje.
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Za sada pregovaramo za sutra. Naravno da ce biti nesto kasnije popodne, svi radimo :wink:
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ovo je zapravo sjajno. Pravila i liste su dostupne, te sam ih skinuo. Figure imam. Šta je još potrebno? Ništa, samo malo vremena i dobre volje. A moram da kažem i da su njihove figure sasvim pristojne. Ne, neću ihNe, neću ih kupovati. kupovati. Ne, neću ih kupovati. Ne, neću ih kupovati. Ne, neću ih kupovati. Ne, neću ih kupovati...
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Da, zaboravio sam da spomenem da su sva pravila potpuno besplatna, i da cak ima i neki army builder za to (ima i u AB trojci datafile, ko ga ima).

Mi se u cetvrtak u 16:30 igramo, pa ako ima zainteresovanih, svratite.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Iscitao pravila. Deluje igrivo, samo me interesuje kako pobiti 6,7 orkovskih hordi, (20 napada, def 5, 17/19, ne preterano skupe jedinice) npr. Imam utisak, bar na prvo citanje da je defence presudan a on se ovde poistovecuje sa toughnessom. Pokusacu i ja da dodjem u cetvrtak :) .
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Nikola je imao 3 horde i nije mogao da manevrise po tabli ;). 6-7 hordi je pitanje da li cak mozes i da postavis na tablu, a kamoli da ih mrdas po tabli. Plus - i ostale armije imaju takve unite (npr. kad poredim imepriju i orkove, uglavnom imperijalni unit ima 1 nerve veci, 1 to hit veci, 1 crushing strength manji i 20 poena su skuplji - to mi deluje kao da je okvirno u redu, jer 1 nerve platis 20 poena, sto deluje razumno).

Verujem da i ovde svakako ima "opcija koje su bolje". Ali barem nema jedne faze koju "moras da imas", nema "no brainer izbora", itd (barem tako za sada deluje). Mislim da ce se ova igra svideti svima kojima se 6./7. edicija svidjala, a 8. ne mogu da smisle.

Inace, def 5 je zapravo def 2 kad ga pogodi pierce 3 ;).

edit: i nema jebenih skirmishera koji vrdaju sva moguca pravila :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ugrubo bačeno na papir i bez detaljnog čitanja pravila, ako se igra recimo u 2000 bodova, za početak stavim
2 horde Ax-a po 30 modela - 300 bodova
2 regimente Grt Axe po 20 modela - 210 bodova
2 regimente Morax-a po 20 modela - 300 bodova
2 regimente Gore Riders-a po 10 modela - 300 bodova

To je celih 1110 bodova. Ostaje je mi još "tričavih" 890 bodova za nekog heroja, možda chariot, trolovi ili orclinzi (za koje ne znam kako izgledaju), ko zna možda džin.

Kako orci ovde ne prolaze animositi, mogu ih postavljati i u dva reda, bez bojazni da će jedni druge napadati. Prema tome, mesta na tabli ima.
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Pa ima, samo "oni iza" ne rade nista dok "oni ispred" ne umru ;).

Ne znam za specijalna pravila za orkove, ali goblini imaju recimo neko spineless pravilo, koje znaci da na 1 ne rade charge :D. I dalje je bolje od animosity-ja... :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Još nismo ni igrali, a već smo počeli sa analizom taktike. U tom smislu, da oni prvi umru, ali štite u svom kretanju elitu koja onda cela stigne do protivnika. A pošto nema pravila da jedinica iza, pored ili na nekom udaljenju od uništene prolazi ld test, onda komotno napred idu loši, pri čemu najobičniji orci pogađaju na 4+ a probijaju recimo paladine na 3+ jer imaju crushing strength 1, dok great axe imaju 2.
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Danas nismo uspeli ozbiljnije da testiramo igru, ali smo uspeli da ustanovime neke bitne cinjenice.

Naime, prethodni put kada sam igrao sa inzenjerom nismo znali sta on radi, tako da je to bio jedan nadasve beskorisni model. Ovaj put sam nasao u Army Builderu sta radi inzenjer, i u drugom krugu smo zaustavili partiju, jer je delovao preterano nebalansirano. A onda smo ustanovili da na sajtu zapravo i ne postoji inzenjer, i da army builder zapravo nema poslednju verziju.

Mozda Nikola ima nekih slika da vam prosledi, mada se necete nagledati reporta.

Ipak, ustanovili smo bitnu stavku - gledati mantic sajt i drzati se njega. Ostaje jos samo da se nadje zvanican spisak magic itema (jer sad sumnjam da mozda u AB-u ima i nekih itema koji mozda ne bi trebali tu da se nadju).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Super je report. Probacemo i mi...
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Magični predmeti su na strani 23. pravila. Šta bi ti još?
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Ima jos zvanicnih. Samo ne znam koji jesu a koji nisu. Na toj strani imas tipa 6 predmeta.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Jeste li još igrali? Jel možete da nabacite još koji battle report jer ovaj je bio ful dobar.
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Nismo od onda, bilo je drugih obaveza. Ovaj vikend je BB turnir, pa posle toga moze. Kad odigramo opet, stavicemo opet neke slike i reporte.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Samo da javim svima da se u subotu Musa i ja igramo u 2000 pena. Imperija protiv orkovlja. Svi zainteresovani su vise nego dobrodosli.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Sa pocetkom u 14h...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Beše bitka. Odlična. Dinamična, bez komplikacija. Čišćenje oraka artiljerijom. Dve stvari smo radili pogrešno iako mislim da nisu uticale na konačan ishod. Pre svega, iako zvuči nelogično, moral proverava onaj koji nanese štetu svom protivniku. Dva keca koja baci bacač kocke ostavljaju oštećenog na polju. Dve šestice ga čine neuređenim (wavering), ako se nisu stekli uslovi za sklanjanje sa table (rout). Zato muzičar u jedinici koja je napravila rane daje bacaču kocke +1, a zastavnik kod oštećene jedinice -1.
Druga stvar je da se broj napada na mašinu utrostručuje. To znači da je moj Fleger trebao da baca 6, a ne po dva napada. Džin je i dalje imao 2d6, samo mislim da bi trebalo da se rezultat na 2d6 utrostruči.
Zahvaljujući tome što se Nenad postavio poslednji, tačnije jednu veliku konjicu koju sam ja čekao da on postavi, da bih odlučio gde ću drugu regimentu moje konjice da postavim, na mojem desnom krilu ostala je samo jedna konjica (boar boyzi aka gore riders)
Dalje, u prvom potezu, uz dosta sreće na kocki (3x5+), pada mi ta jedina konjica na mom desnom krilu, zahvaljujući čemu će vremenom pasti i centar zbog napada njegove konjice sa boka. Moje levo krilo je i stiglo do protivničkih linija, ali je tu i ostalo. Zahvaljujući magu, oterao sam mu jednu malu konjicu, a u centru jednu pešadiju. To su značajni gubici protivnika, a i koliko se sećam većina gubitaka.
Nauk: Horde su zakon. Imaju visok moral što je ovde poenta. Imao sam dve horde Ax-ova, ali je falila još jedna i sve da budu višeg nivoa (krudge horda od 40 modela sa znatno višim moralom) Dalje, treba mi brzina. I artiljerija. Ubuduće, idem sa saveznicima goblinima. I to Fleabag rideri koji su laka konjica sa brzinom 10, 3 do 4 jedinice po 10 i tri boltera i jedan stone thrower. Čak ni Sharpsticker-i nisu loši. 40 komada za 140 bodova, pri čemu su falanga, što znači da imaju +10 napada. Ukupno 30. Moral 19/21. Jedino što kad se goblinima naredi juriš, ako se baci 1, tu komandu tumače kao "stoj"!
Džone, postavljaj slike iz bitke i daj svoj komentar
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U pa nije, ocistio si mi vise. Ocistio si mi sve pesadije i jednu konjicu ;). Nije meni puno toga ostalo na kraju (arty, horda pucaca, veca konjica, i karakteri, to je manje-vise to, ostalo si sve pocistio).

Presudno je bilo to sto sam bacao u pocetku jako jako dobro za arty (mnogo iznad proseka). I sto sam sve morale prosao, tako da ti nisi nastavio sa "slaganjem modela iza", vec si morao da potrosis jos po 1 krug na moje pesadije.

Igra je svakako izuzetna, i preporucio bih je svim onima koji su nekada voleli 6. ediciju WHF, a nisu odusevljeni ovom edicijom.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Subota, 17h, Musa dovodi savez orkova i goblina protiv imperijalaca. Zainteresovani vise nego dobrodosli da navijaju (za ljude!).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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A slike od prosli put mozete videti na:
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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ovaj put su orkovske horde prevagnule za 50 poena razlike.

Moram priznati da horde ovde predstavljaju prilicno dobre alatke. Posebno kada ih imas puno, i u vise talasa.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Bathory wrote:Iscitao pravila. Deluje igrivo, samo me interesuje kako pobiti 6,7 orkovskih hordi, (20 napada, def 5, 17/19, ne preterano skupe jedinice) npr. Imam utisak, bar na prvo citanje da je defence presudan a on se ovde poistovecuje sa toughnessom. Pokusacu i ja da dodjem u cetvrtak :) .


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Pa kazem ti - bilo je 50 poena razlike za orkove :D. Od 400 poena racunaju pobedu. Ubio mi je prakticno sve osim masina i par heroja, a i ja sam njemu skoro sve. Znaci nije bilo jednostrano.

Generalno oni nemaju strelce, i masine su slabije. Imperija nema izdrzljivost, itd.

Naravno, najjace opcije se vrlo brzo primete, ali je i dalje igra visestruko bolja od WHFB. Svaki sistem ce imati rupu, to mislim da smo svi vise puta apsolvirali ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Nema baš mesta za 6, 7 hordi, ali za 3 ima. Našao sam formulu za sasvim finu vojsku. 2 Krudge horde po 40 komada ax-ova, koji sa def 5+ idu napred, u centru bojnog polja. Iza ih prati jedna great ax horda sa slabijim oklopom 4+ od 40 komada takođe, koja je u ovoj bici imala mesta i da se okrene na desno da pokrije ugroženi desni bok dok ne stigne jedna gore (boar boyz) riders jedinica upomoć. U pozadini druge Ax horde išla je jedna horda goblina (40 komada), koja ima karakterisitiku falange (+10 napada), ukupno 30 napada i moral 19/21, a košta 165 bodova, ako se dobro sećam. Dve jedinice gore ridera su ovoga puta bile na jednom krilu, išle su takođe u dva talasa, te je ova druga nakon smrta prve, stigla da udari ljudsku konjicu sa boka=32 napada. Istovremeno, spreda su udarili Great ax-i=20 napada Ukupno 52 napada. Više nego dovoljno. Tri jedinice goblinskih jahača vukova, dve po 10 i jedna od 5 komada, su kolatereralna šteta koja se kreće 10 (20) inča i može da viluje jednom do 90 stepeni, čak i kada ide duplo. Laka konjica. Ono što me je išlo pretererano dobro bila je artiljerija. Maltene nije promašivala, a na efekat blast d6 dobijao sam neretko 5 ili 6, a na efekat 2d6 preko 7. Što znači da sam za damage bacao puno kockica koje probijaju na 2, jer smanjuju oklop za 3. U tu svrhu koristio sam 3 boltera i jedan rock lober. Onoliko koliko je Nenad imao sreće u pucanju prošli put, toliko, možda i više sam ja imao sada. Ako sam dobro zapamtio, na pucanje sam mu otereao generala i dve pešadije. Malo li je?
Ono što omogućava vođenje vojske, pre svega orkova u talasima, je pre svega što kada umre jedinica ispred niko na recimo 6 inča ne proverava moral. Umrla jedinica, pa šta. Drugo, orci ne testiraju animositi, pa nema bojazni da će se međusobno napadati ili još važnije neće se zaglavljivati. Sve dok imaju prolaz na moralu idu napred.
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Re: Kings of War - Alternativa WHFB?

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2 grudge horde, 1 axe horda, 1 horda goblina, gomile velikih jedinica... Jasno je da primat drze velike jedinice i to je sasvim ok sto se tice igre i igrivosti...

ali ja sa mojim mrsavim delfovima, zahvaljujuci metagame-u WH nisam kupovao (nisu mi ni trebale) velike jedinice, tako da mi je jako tesko da sastavim listu koja nece predstavljati 5kg metala i plastike koja cu postaviti i posle lopaticom vratiti u kutije.

da bar neko prodaje 50 delfova na postolju, zakucanih, nesalomljivih, od kineske plastike i ofarbano po kineskim standardima za 200 din i ajde, ali ovako... :(
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Pa nemam ni ja sa imperijom, pa se opet igramo :D. Imas sigurno neke pucace, boltere, cuda, pa time moze da nadoknadis :D.
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The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

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Ни саме фигуре нису лоше. Патуљци моје жене имају јединице састављене од мантика.
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Re: Kings of War - Alternativa WHFB?

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I kada se mogu pregaziti ti patuljci?
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Чим се пређе ливада до њих и њихових топова, пушака, самострела и убере понеки маљ и секира :D
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Re: Kings of War - Alternativa WHFB?

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I da li bi patuljci skupili dovoljno hrabrosti do vikenda da izginu na jedan tragikomičan (tragičan za patuljke, komičan za orke/gobline ili neupokojene) način?
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Патуљци би, али бретонски војни саветник не може да суделује у боју наредна два викенда. Тако да предлажем да тад једемо орчетине. А за супу - шупља кост!
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OK. Onda treći vikend (i to 26. nedelja mi odgovara popodne oko 15, 16 časova, ako sam dobro izbrojao) od patuljaka pravimo papuče, a od bretonaca pantalone i košulje. Ide zima, valja se obući. Inače, pošto su ti bretonci i patuljci "dobrice" možeš izvesti i kombinovanu vojsku, kao što sam ja uradio pa kombinovao Orke i Gobline, koji su dve odvojene rase. Pravila i liste za armije imaš na sajtu www.manticgames.com Na svaku solidnu jedinicu saveznika (20 pešadinaca, 10 konjanika ili 3 velike pešadije, osim onih koji uz naziv imaju "*") možeš imati po jednu ratnu mašinu od te vrste saveznika i heroja ili čudovište. A isto pravilo važi i za "matičnu" vojsku. Na svaku solidnu jedinicu ide jedna mašina i jedan heroj te rase. Glumce koristi koliko hoćeš i kakve hoćeš. Ako ti u nekoj jedinici fali neka figura, ostavi prazna mesta.
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Рукавица бачена, изазов прихваћен. Срешћемо се трећег часа од поднева у заказан дан.

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