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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

Post by Dzon Vejn »

Sumnjam da ce biti danas, posto mislim da Nikola jos nije sastavio spisak sta ce narucivati.

Javicu danas kad cemo tacno ici.

Ja znam da cu sigurno naruciti 3 macedonian cavalry, 3 macedonian phalanax, 2 greek infantry, 2 cartaginian infantry, 1 elephants, 1 english knights 100 years war, i 2 english infantry of 100 years war. Jos se premisljam da li da uzmem 3 persian infantry (jer mi trebaju samo archeri i komandanti).

Ukoilko se ovaj u M Hobby bude otvorio i za neki veci popust, mozda uzmem jos nesto (npr. za vizantiju :D).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Samo da javim da Nikola i ja idemo u cetvrtak posle posla u M Hobby. Ako ima jos zainteresovanih, dobrodosli ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Mogu da budem veceras (cetvrtak) i sutra u klubu za jednu partiju ili da budem sudija za nove igrace.

Ako ste zainteresovani odgovorite pre 17 .

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Ja danas ne mogu da postignem.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja se najavljujem za sutra.

Sto se tice porudzbine, ne mogu da stignem danas.
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Ajde doci cu i ja onda sutra. Koliko sam video ima tamo nekih Paskalovih grka, pa cu sastaviti neku listu, da probam kako to izgleda (mozda ne bude svih modela, ali cemo proksovati, snaci cemo se nesto).

Inace danas sam bio u Hobby M, postavio sam narudzbinu, kao i Nebojsa pre mene. Dobili smo po nekih 10ak posto popusta. Da smo se skupili svi na gomilu mogli smo i vise (na npr. 20ak kutija bi bilo oko 15-20 posto popusta - lekcija za sledeci put da budemo organizovaniji ;) ).

Otprilike sad ce cene biti oko 700 dinara "mali" boksovi zvezda, a 1000 "veliki". Sto je ok. I onda na to ide popust.

Narudzbina ide krajem oktobra pocetkom novembra (ceka da zvezda izbaci neki set aviona, sto mu treba za radnju). Znaci ima jos vremena za narudzinu.

Za mene nije bilo to sto mi treba, ali je bilo za rimljane (za brata), tako da sam uzeo 4 kutije pesadije i 2 kutije konjice (Nebojsa nam je uzeo slonove ispred nas i jos neke kutije). Mislim da vec sada moze da se sastavi neka lista.

Ostaje dilema sta da koristimo za postolja - ja sam video da Paskal koristi lepenku (tvrd karton), ali nesto imam dilemu kako ce se ona ponasati prema akrilnom gitu i generalno vodi prilikom farbanja. Imamo neke ideje sa sperplocama i plastikom (i secenjem istih, pa cemo videti jos).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja za postolja koristim 3mm karton. Imam i neka stara od 2mm kartona. Nema nikakvih problema sa akrilnim gitom i dosta razvodnjenom bojom, sve vikinge sam tako radio. Secem ih malo vecim skalpelom od obicnog. Ima dosta veliki izbor kartona u drugoj ili trecoj knjizari sa leve strane u ulici kraljice Natalije, kad se ide od zelenog venca ka mat. gimn.

Bilo bi dobro ako bismo nasli nekoga ko ce to lepo (i povoljno) da isece po meri. Onda nije problem ni plastika il sperploca.
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Poslacu PM Cika Drinkiju, mislim da on ima tako neke kontakte.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Upravo sam se cuo sa Nebojsom, svratice i on. Oko 6 smo u klubu.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Kraci battle report od danas (uspeo sam da zaboravim fotoaparat kuci, tako da ce biti bez slika ovaj put).

Grci su izgubili sa nekih 4-5 poena razlike. Laka konjica nije tako ultimativna kako sam ja mislio (jer ne siri zonu kontrole na protivnika, sto sam mislio da radi :D). A ja sam ih uzeo 6 (20% armije) :D.

Laka konjica je jurnula napred i uspela u delu svog cilja - da ometam protivnika dok se ne pozicioniram kako ja zelim. Nisam uspeo u druga dva dela cilja - da prezive i da uzmu kamp. Uz neke srecne rollove sa moje strane, cak su uspeli da prezive i duze nego sto su trebali. Mada ne i da odrade sve sto sam ja zamislio da moze - ipak ovo nije WH :D.

Sa druge strane, to su platile falange, koje su pored svih bonusa lose prosle u prvom krugu borbe. U drugom krugu su bili nesto bolji (mada ne u potpunom kapacitetu).

Sa trece strane smo prakticno jedan drugom blokirali po trecinu vojske - njemu se nije isplatilo da izlazi na konjicu, a konjici se nije isplatilo da zalazi u nepogodan teren.

Krhkost lake konjice je rano u igri donela nenadoknadivih 12 victory poena protivniku. Ostatak partije sam pokusavao da nadoknadim tu razliku, ali je to ipak bilo pretesko.

Za prvu partiju vise nego zadovoljan ;). Jos jednom sve cestitke pobedniku. Sledeci put malo drugacija lista ;).

P.S.: Mislim da bi se ova igra izuzetno svidela svima onima koji kukaju u WH kako pesadija ne radi nista, a trebala bi. Ovde pesadija i te kako radi sve sto treba ;). Za razliku od WH, u kome se "game-breaking" stvari i te kako uvek primecuju, ovde nisam primetio nesto da toliko odskace kao prejako. Mislim da je sistem dobro balansiran na osnovu prve partije.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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....must resist....must.....
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ja kupih pocetnu armiju za rimljane (republikance).
Nenad je isto kupio samo ne znam sta, ali taj period je u pitanju

Nameravam da isprobam FOW i ova druga pravila, pa u slucaju da mi se svidi, uzimam i ruse iz perioda 100 godisnjeg rata
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"Potrebno je da vozilo koje vrši transport ima onu ruku napred, da prebacuje... Imaju proizvođači, ja sad ne znam ko su“ Velja.
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Ja sam uzeo grke, sto pokriva veci broj listi (kao i rimljani, vizantija, .... you get the idea). Meni se ADG svideo (FoG je samo malo kompleksniji, u osnovi su isti, tako da verujem da bi mi se i on svideo), a ako se prosiri broj ljudi, narucicu jos engleze za 100godisnji rat. Bilo bi lepo da Nikola proba igru(e) pre kraja oktobra, kako bismo eventualno mogli jos malo da prosirimo narudzbinu ;).

Takodje, bilo bi lepo da i ostali zainteresovani vide igru u tom periodu, jer sto se ne naruci do tada, ceka jedno 3-4 meseca ;).
....must resist....must.....
Igra ima sve sto ti volis :D - nema magije, overshootinga (shooting je poprilicno slab), pesadije su bitne, itd., itd. U ovih par partija nisam primetio da ima nesto sto je overpowered (npr. cinilo mi se da je LH malo overpowered, uzeo sam 6 komada, i naravno puko ko zvecka :D).

Ono sto se meni cini kao zamerka (a recimo Zeljku bi bila velika prednost), jeste sto "single" armija ima relativno malo varijacija na temu (cak i armije sa velikim brojem opcija). Ovo moze da se malo prevazidje ako se poveca broj poena sa kojima se igra, za nekih npr. 10-20%. Dakle ko voli da proba razno od raznog, mora i da kupi nekoliko vojski (istini za volju, to ovde nije investicija kao u WH, jelte).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Koji dan je neko od poznavaoca pravila slobodan za igranje? ;)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Mogu da dosem vojsku za sredu, cetvertak ili petak.

dovoljna da mi neko kaze
- kad ali bolje od 17: 30
- i koju vojsku zeli od Rima, Kartaga, Grka ili Makedonaca.
Za sastav vojske videti sa Nenadom

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OK, onda neka bude sreda od 18h. Ja bih opet probao Aleksandra.

Kako ja mogu i sredu i cetvrtak i petak, ako bude bilo mogucnosti i zainteresovanih, mozda bi mogli da se organizujemo ove nedelje za 2 igranja. Ali o tome cemo detaljnije uzivo ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja se najavljujem za petak, ne mogu da stignem ranije.
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Onda sreda i petak od 18h sto se mene tice ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ono sto se meni cini kao zamerka (a recimo Zeljku bi bila velika prednost), jeste sto "single" armija ima relativno malo varijacija na temu (cak i armije sa velikim brojem opcija).
Pa ja i volim da ima više opcija. Ono čega se gnušam u igrama ovog tipa je dobro poznato, ali 'ajde da ponovim:

1. Farbanje
2. Đidanje sa metrom

Navukli ste me jednom na Battleground Fantasy, nikad više na đidaroške igre sa metrom. A to da će neka milosrdna duša da ofarba levom nogom u mraku moje figure, ne verujem otkako mi stoje onih par neofarbanih kupljenih orkova za Blood Bowl. Jedva si im brojeve udario na postolja.
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Nesto se ne secam da sam ti rekao da cu ti ofarbati te figure ;). Posto imam svojih jedno 1000 neofarbanih, a koje su, ipak, prioritet ;).

Sto se tice farbanja, mislim da kod nas ima nekoliko ljudi koji farbaju za novac, tako da se to moze prevazici.

Za metar nema pomoci... volis ili ne volis ;).

Bilo kako bilo, mislim da to ovde nije tema ;). Ko je zainteresovan, ima datume kada cemo biti u klubu ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Igrasmo se i juce, pa je red da se napise i jos jedan izvestaj ;).

Neiskusni grci su ovaj put odlucili da isprobaju prakticno sve opcije koje postoje u listi, kako bi videli uzivo kako rade koji uniti :D. Sa druge strane bilo je nesto ratobornijih "300" grka (spartanci).

Nakon pogibije mnogobrojnih geenrala, sa obe strane, partija se zavrsila neresnim rezultatom, jer su u istom krugu i jedni i drugi izgubili vise vojske nego sto su smeli. Ovaj put sam izveo znatno manje konjice, i to se pokazalo izuzetno dobro. U ovim igrama je pesadija glavna, a sve ostalo sekundarno. Konjica ovde ima 2 uloge koje sam do sada video: 1) da koristi svoju manevarsku sposobnost da bi udarila bok protivnika (cime mu automatski nanese 1 "ranu" (poen kohezije); 2) da zatim uradi disengage, pa u sledecem krugu opet udari po boku i opet napravi dodatnu ranu (konjica moze raditi disengage kada je protivnik vec "zavezan" u borbi).

Mislim da je napravljen i dobar balans izmedju heavy i medium pesadije - heavy pesadija jeste bolja u svakom pogledu, ali je neverovatno spora i nesposobna u manevrisanju. Tu dolazi do izrazaja medium pesadija. Vojska koja bi imala samo medium pesadiju ne bi bas dobro prosla, jer bi bila udarena i na bokove, i sa vise strana.

Eh sa druge strane, sve sto nije "heavy" ima drugu vrstu problema, koju sam iskusio prakticno svaki put u ovoj partiji :D - ako ja bacim 1, a protivnik 6, i nisam "heavy" izgubim 3 poena kohezije, koliko i imam, i automatski umrem. To je velika mana medium i light jedinica. Ipak, prednost u mobilnosti nadoknadjuje to.

Mislim da su highlight partije bile heavy artiljerije, koje sam inace ubacio samo da bih video kako rade :D. Zahvaljujuci njima sam uspeo da dodjem do neresenog rezultata, inace bi ponovo bio gubitak. To je unit koji apsolutno zelite da imate, jer protivnik ima oklop 0 protiv njih, sto znaci da cim bacite vecu kockicu od protivnika - naneli ste mu ranu. Jedini minus koji mogu imati jeste ako je protivnik u coveru, tada je -1 cover (sto nije zanemarljivo, ali nije ni toliko prejako).

Ima jos jedno pravilo koje sam prethodno zanemarivao, ali sam ovaj put vodio racuna, a to je - ako imate jaci oklop od protivnika, a gubite bitku, smanjujete mu kockicu za 1. Ovo je vrlo znacajno, jer znatno utice na gubitke (najcesce pomaze da do istih i ne dodje, ili da dodje u manjoj meri, sto je jako bitno na duge staze).

Jos jedna lekcija - generale ne treba pridruzivati borbi "po defaultu". +1 na D6 jeste veliki bonus, ali zato od tog trenutka sva naredjenja postaju duplo skuplja. Sto je OGROMAN penal. Dakle generala pridruziti jedinici samo kada sve ostale jedinice udju u borbu.

Laka konjica, koje sam ovaj put imao trostruko manje :D, je ovaj put dobro uradila svoj posao. Vrlo je bitna trupa i definitivno ima svoju ulogu, ali treba biti umeren u broju lakih konjanika :D.

Da ne bude i sve pozitivno, imao sam ovaj put priliku da vidim i jos jednu stvar koja mi se bas i nije dopala u pravilima. Naime, kada napadate protivnika, ako ga ne poklopite celim postoljem, onda se "align-ujete" prema njemu. Ali ako ne mozete od drugih trupa koje smetaju, onda se oni ne align-uju prema vama. I onda, npr., slonovi gube sve svoje bonuse, jer ne poklapaju celom duzinom protivnicku jedinicu. Sto mi zvuci potpuno nelogicno i neverovatno - nekako slon nece zaboraviti da izgazi one koje treba da izgazi :D. Ovo pravilo je uvedeno zbog slucaja kada konjice (raznih tipopva) ne zele da se "align-uju" prema protivniku da ne bi usli u los teren, i tu je ovo pravilo ok. Ali kada je teren "otvoren" ovo mi zvuci prilicno neverovatno. Mislim da ne bi bilo lose FAQ-ovati takve slucajeve, tako da ako vi ne mozete da se align-ujete prema protivniku, onda on uradi align prema vama.

Sve u svemu, za sada su mi utisci izuzetno pozitivni. Koliko sam, za sada, imao prilike da vidim, igra ne pati od mnogih stvari od kojih pate razne druge igre koje smo igrali. Definitivno savetujem.

U petak ce mozda biti i 2 partije igrane simultano, tako da su svi koji zele da pogledaju, dobrodosli da pogledaju.

P.S.: Fotoaparat sam (opet) zaboravio da ponesem, tako da smo (opet) ostali bez slika. Nadam se da cu se sledeci put setiti...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

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izvini, nisam ukapirao koji sistem sada isprobavate? i da li može da se kombinuje srednji vek i antika?(u FoGu može npr. Grci protiv krstaša)
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Trenutno igramo po ADG pravilima. Listao sam malo i FoG pravila, i iz onoga sto sam na brzinu video, mogao bih da kazem da su pravila prilicno slicna po velikom broju pitanja. FoG je malo kompleksniji. Ali FoG trazi i dosta vise figura. I Nikola i ja cemo imati dovoljno figura za oba sistema, kad stigne narudzbina, tako da sto se toga tice nije problem.

Mozes igrati sta god protiv cega god (prosli put su igrali grci sa Aleksandrom protiv vikinga). Pravila su ista za npr. "heavy cavalry". Razlika je samo u tome kako izgledaju "heavy" figure u srednjem veku (plate) i kako izgledaju ranije (goluzdravi ratnici sa velikim stitovima). Mehanika i poentaza su isti.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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ok,hvala.poradiću intenzivno na zarvšavanju bar jedne vojske, rado bih probao oba sistema
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Ima u klubu uvek jedna vojska koja stoji na raspolaganju za isprobavanje. Verujem da Pascal / Vlada mogu poneti jos vojski ako dolaze i ima zainteresovanih.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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docicu sa spartanskom vojskom i 2 "slona" tako da je mogucno sastaviti rimsku, kartaginjansku ili makedonsku vojsku uz genericnu vojsku kluba
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Za sve zainteresovane, trebalo bi da se u sredu ponovo igramo. Potvrda ce stici u utorak.

Takodje, potrudicu se da do tada budu ponovo "procesljana" pravila, da napravimo sva finalna uskladjivanja, pa cete onda imati i pravila na srpskom.

A potrudicu se da do kraja nedelje detaljno procitam i FoG pravila, posto sam video da u klubu preovladava zainteresovanost za FoG (mada predpostavljam da je najvecim delom zbog pravila).

Podsetnik za sve: porudzbina idem krajem oktobra, pocetkom novembra. Ukoliko ste zainteresovani, sada je vreme da porucite vase figure ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Uz malo zakasnjenje, evo i slicica sa poslednjeg igranja (sad smo vec uspeli da imamo 2 bitke u istom trenutku).

Vizantija:
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Sparta:
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Vikinzi:
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Grci:
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Grci i vikinzi su se postavili za bitku, grci krecu u lagano napredovanje sa svih strana. Na desnom boku, laka konjica sluzi kao izvidnica - otkiva da li su postavljene zasede prave ili lazne. Kroz sredinu ide druga laka konjica, kojoj je cilj da naknadno odluci da li ce smetati levom boku, desnom boku ili pokusati da ode skroz iza svih i ode na kamp (objektiv) protivnika:
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Grci i vikinzi dolaze u kontakt. Na levom boku je i dalje odmeravanje snaga. Na desnom boku se vidi laka konjica koja je nakon skautovanja pobegla od vikinga koji bi za nju bili prejaki, ali zato svi ostali ulaze u kontakt. Na levom boku sredine se vide falange koje su usle / ulaze u kontakt sa protivnikom. Na desnom boku sredine se vide medium i light infantrymen, koji nisu bas u zavidnoj situaciji (puno neprijatelja na malo njih). Kroz rupu u sredini se vidi kako je protivnik, uz veliki broj naredjenja, ignorisao laku konjicu, koja se zatim sprema da ode iza njega na kamp:
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Malo kurpnija slika sredine:
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Medjutim slonovi uspevaju da pregaze sve ispred sebe, i time omoguce da se medium infatry nadje u malko boljoj situaciji. U sredini falange dobro drze situaciju. Sa level strane se ne vidi, ali su teske elitne udarne konjice usle u borbu sa protivnikom. Laka konjica stize do kampa i unistava ga:
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Na drugom stolu se odvija bitka izmedju persijskih "glumaca":
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i spartanaca:
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Za ovu bitku imam manje slika, ali nakon sto kombinacija slonova, teske konjice i ne znam jos cega, nije uspela da probije spartanski bok, prilican broj stvari je krenuo nizbrdo po persijance.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

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U sredu (sutra) cemo biti u klubu od 17:30 - 18:00, tako da zainteresovani mogu da svrate ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Za one koji ne prate kreativnu sekciju ovog foruma, evo prvih grka:

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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Nenad se uveliko i, bogami, lepo priprema,
Nudim dakle buducim igracima da vezbaju u toku nedelje. Dovoljno da mi kazete koji dan vam odgovara da vidimo da li termin/i se poklapaju.
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Jedno pitanje - za ckomandire/genrale sta li su vec, koja je njihova velicina/dubina postolja (15 mm modeli)? Da li imaju predodredjenu "dubinu" - sirina znam da je 40mm, ili prate tip jedinice "sa kojom ih vozis", npr. ako su sa teskom pesadijom dubina je 15mm, sa srednjom ili lakom 20mm a sa konjicom 30mm?
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40mm or less (60mm or less kada je 1/72 u pitanju). U principu, napravis ih tako da budu istog tipa kao ono sto ce voditi. Nisam jos iscitao FoG pravila, ali u ADG se potpuno zanemaruju u movementu, tako da je prilicno nebitno ;). Predposavljam da je i u FoG isto.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Da u FoG- u prate isto pravila, samo da izgledaju isto radi lakseg "ravnanja" sa ostatkom jedinice. U DBM-u (starom) je bilo drugacije pa zato i pitam.
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Znam da sam mogao da se setim ranije, ali ako ima zainteresovanih za sutra, ja bih dosao do kluba ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Drago mi je da se i kod vas igraju velike istorijske bitke. Kod nas u klubu uglavnom igramo FoG, i to skoro sve vremenske periode. Donedavno smo bas dosta testirali FoG: Napoleonics. Veoma je dinamicno i aktivnije nego anticki dio (sto i otprilike odgovara). Sad je novi projekat aktiviran - renesansa. Mislili smo 30-godisnji rat (Svedjane i Svabe), ali nije uhvatilo zamajc kako treba. I na moj predlog ja i jedan prijatelj smo krenuli sa Japanom i samurajima. On to vodi na svom blogu, mozete da pogledate:

http://tabletopdeutschland.wordpress.co ... goku-zeit/

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Da li tip konjice ili pesadije zavisi samo od toga za koliko postolje zalepim figure?Npr. da li iz zvezdine kutije samurai army-infantry mogu da vise tipova jedinica napravim ili samo jedan tip.Naravno ne mislim na to da li su ranged/close combat vec da li su laka , srednja ili teska pesadija etc.?
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Ako pitas istoricare - oni ce ti reci zavisi koje su tacno figure u boxu.

Ako pitas gamere - heavy infantry = 4 pesadinca na postolju, medium = 3 pesadinca, light = 2 pesadinca. Isto za konjicu. Plus u zavisnosti od tipa, imas i to koliko ti je postolje.

Idealna varijanta je ako mozes da ukomponujes oba - i da budu istorijski sto precizniji i da bude odmah jasno kad pogledas unit sta je.

Pogledaj sajt plastic soldier review, na njemu imas opise za sve kutije, obicno dole imas i komentare, vrlo korisne (za to sta je istorijski sta).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

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Odlucio sam da uzmem par kutija zvezdinih samuraja i da probam ovaj sistem.E sad , u m-hobiju rekose da ih zvezda pri porudzbini uslovljava da uzmu ceo "karton" svakog od porucenih box-ova (sto je valjda 10 kutija) , a onda m hobby u zavisnosti od broja porucenih boxova odlucuje da li da porucuje ili ne.Ja bih uzeo 2 kutije pesadije , 2 kutije konjice i 1 headquarters , pa htedoh da pitam da li ima zainteresovanih za nesto od navedenog , da porucimo vise kutija i povecamo sanse da m hobby to naruci xD
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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

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Ja nisam. A mislim da on pravi malo problem oko zvezdinih samuraja zato sto mislim da se natrpao tog perioda od neke druge firme, a ne moze da proda nista od toga.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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