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slayer king wrote::twisted:Dragon slayer u sayerskoj armiji moze da uzme samo 50 poena runa i vestina.Kako onda mogu da mu stavim skavenslayer koji za heroje kosta 60 poena_
Ne mozes da uzmes Scavenslayer!

Ogranicenje je 25pts Skills + 25pts Rune, ili 50pts Rune!

Inace Scavenslayer skill moze da uzme SAMO Deamonslayer, a u Slayerskoj kampanji se vodi slabiji Dragonslayer.
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
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Znaci to je greshka u army builderu ?!
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Ako heroj ima pištolj i npr. tri napada kako on može da ga koristi u jurišu a kako u odbrani? (isto pitanje i za pušku i za luk)
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Ranged oruzja po pravilu imaju 1 napad - izuzetak su repeater xbows (DE), repeater handguns (dwarf), magicni lukovi (Loren i Reaver; WE i HE). Normalna oruzja, kao npr. imperijlni pisotlji i puske imaju svoja dodatna pravila, ali pucaju jednom u shooting fazi.
Luk - heroj moze da puca u shooting fazi (ako nije u cc-u) ili da radi stand&shoot
Empire handgun - heroj moze da puca u shooting fazi (ako nije u cc-u) ili da radi stand&shoot
Pistol - heroj moze da puca u shooting fazi (ako nije u cc-u) ili da radi stand&shoot, plus u prvom krugu CC-a ima dodatni S4 napad.
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Covek prolazi i animosity, i teror i fear za juris, ali uspeva da zada samo jenu ranu vukovima. Vukovi za promenu nanesu dve rane orkovima i ostane ih dvoje, sto je sve sto je kociji ikada trebalo. Kocija sada ponovo najavljuje juris, i uspaniceni orci se bacise u trk (pukli teror)
Joggy je na uprisingu napisao mini bat rep i ovo je deo koji mi nije bas najjasniji. Jel' se ovde radi o dve jedinice orka posto jedna jedinica moze da testira terror samo jednom u partiji?
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Koliko se ja secam te partije, onako dok sam setao poresd stolova - jedna jedinica se nasla na pocetku svog kruga u 6" od kocije - to je terror test. Animosity prolazis jer si ork. A fear kad deklarises charge....

Kocija je kasnije najavila charge na neku drugu jedinicu....

Inace, da, terror testiras samo jednom po partiji sa svakom od jedinica (cak i ako imas 2 terror cause-ra ;) ). Sa druge strane fear moras daprodjes 15 puta ako te charge-uje 15 fear cause-ra (fear je jedini izuzetak za ono - 1 LD po podfazi)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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wow, to je bilo brzo, thnx :)
fear je jedini izuzetak za ono - 1 LD po podfazi
bojim se da ovo ipak nisam shvatio :oops:
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playa wrote:wow, to je bilo brzo, thnx :)
fear je jedini izuzetak za ono - 1 LD po podfazi
bojim se da ovo ipak nisam shvatio :oops:
Znaci nije kao panika da bacas samo na kraju shooting/magicne/CC faze, nego mozes da bacas i 5 puta ako te charguju 5 fear-causera.
Da li neko zna da li heroj na Daemonic mountu(baza 50*50) moze da se targetuje u jedinici od 5+ knighta i da li u toj situaciji ima 'watch out sir' ?
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oh, nije minus nego povlaka, sad je ok

moze da se targetuje sve sto je na vecoj osnovi i nema look out
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Malopre je u jednoj partiji doslo do jednog spornog trenutka . . . naime, Kada se deklarisu cardzevi na parent unit i na deatachment odvojeno, da li deatachment ima pravo na counter charge ako je prvo deklarisan charge na parent unit?


Beta pomagaj, u tebe se uzdam . . . :D
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"In the enemy's Movement phase a Detachment may counter-charge an enemy unit charging its Parent Unit if the Detachment itself has not been charged" - The Empire Armybook, strana 8
'Well we are wizards,' said Ridcully. 'We're supposed to meddle with things we don't understand. If we hung around waitin' till we understood things we'd never get anything done.'
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u istoj patriji...
da li je jedinica koja bezi skirmishing unit ili ne? moze li stank da charguje kroz tu jedinicu kao kroz skirmisere?
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playa wrote:u istoj patriji...
da li je jedinica koja bezi skirmishing unit ili ne? moze li stank da charguje kroz tu jedinicu kao kroz skirmisere?
Ako Stank jurisa na jedinicu koja bezi ona nastavlja da bezi - ako ne pobegne dovoljno unistena je. Kroz tu jedinicu moze da charguje tako sto:
1. Najavi charge na tu jedinicu
2. Ta jedinica bezi
3. Time se otbori put do jedinice B
4. Tenk redirektuje u jedinicu B
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Može li jedan rezime: Iza čega može da se sakrije Large target da se ne vidi sa brda a iza čega da se ne vidi sa ravnog terena i da li neko može da se sakrije iza njega?

Čitao sam raspravu od ranije na ovom postu ali mi nije baš najjasnije.
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samo sto je jedinica koja bezi njegova a ne protivnicka (sorry, nisam bio jasan :oops: ). znaci, moze li da charguje kroz svoju jedinicu koja bezi u nesto protivnicko iza nje
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Stank ne moze da prodje kroz svoju jedinicu.
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cpu088 wrote:Stank ne moze da prodje kroz svoju jedinicu.
Netacno - moze da prodje kroz svoje skirmisher-e. Ali jedinica koja bezi nije u "pravoj" skirmish formaciji (nama recimo ni -1 to hit od pucanja) te u tom slucaju nece moci. Ali je opet moguce nesto drugo:
1. Deklarises charge tenkom na sta hoces.
2. Relly faza -
2a - jedinica nije uspela relly - pobegne a tenk prodje
2b - jedinica se zaustavila - ti je reformises tako da tenk prodje.
Vidis da sve moze kada znas pravila i redosled pomeranja... :D
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mozes li da mi citiras liniju koja kaze da tenk moze da prodje kroz svoju jedinicu? btw, queek na warhammer.org tvrdi da ne moze, a ja nisam uspeo da nadjem nista u pravilima sto bi ga demantovalo...
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Da li neko zna da li heroj na Daemonic mountu(baza 50*50) moze da se targetuje u jedinici od 5+ knighta i da li u toj situaciji ima 'watch out sir' ?
Da, moze da se targetuje, jerbo je na vecem postolju, i da, ima watch out, sir! jer je u jedinici koja broji najmanje 5 modela
Vidis da sve moze kada znas pravila i redosled pomeranja...
daaaaa, to je tako cool kada se desi da se tvoja jedinica ne rallyuje kada treba, ali se to nazalost retko desi (svi bi da budu heroji kada netreba) :?
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"If a character is a part of unit of models of similar size (cavalry models may not benefit from this rule in a unit of infantry, for example..." BRB, p.100
Da se razumemo: nema Look out, sir! i moze da se targetuje.
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No 1 wrote:Može li jedan rezime: Iza čega može da se sakrije Large target da se ne vidi sa brda a iza čega da se ne vidi sa ravnog terena i da li neko može da se sakrije iza njega?

Čitao sam raspravu od ranije na ovom postu ali mi nije baš najjasnije.
Elem, rezime je da treba da pitas organizatora turnira pre pocetka - ima dosta varijanti i svaka ima neke svoje argumente. Kao i toliko toga u brb-u, ni ovoj temi nije posvecena paznja koju zasluzuje, i brb je cesto kontroverzan. Life is a bitch, and then you die...
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Sa kog dela jedinice Night Goblina se ispaljuju fanatici. Na dijagramu u knjizi oni se ispaljuju sa ćoška pa me interesuje da li može sa bilo kog dela jedinice, i kako se ispaljuje više njih u istu metu tj. da li se ispaljuju sa istog mesta u istom pravcu ili se biraju mesto i pravac.
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Koliko ja znam ispaljuju se samo iz prvog reda i trebalo bi da mogu da se ispaljuju sa vise mesta u prvom redu ali za to nisam siguran. :twisted:
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No 1 wrote:Sa kog dela jedinice Night Goblina se ispaljuju fanatici. Na dijagramu u knjizi oni se ispaljuju sa ćoška pa me interesuje da li može sa bilo kog dela jedinice, i kako se ispaljuje više njih u istu metu tj. da li se ispaljuju sa istog mesta u istom pravcu ili se biraju mesto i pravac.
Bilo koja tacka u prvom redu. Ako se ispaljuju recimo tri komada - mogu sa tri razlicita mesta.
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Negde sam procitao da Skaven Giant Rats izazivaju paniku....Pogledao sam u knjizi, ali tamo ovog pravila nema.... Dakle, jel izazivaju ili ne?
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Jel' ste sigurni da ne mogu da se ispale unazad/stranu? Ne mogu da nadjem gde mi je orkovska knjiga kuci, pa da proverim...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Boze koji sam retard....nije u pitanju panika nego fear.....'bem ti mozak kad ne radi :) Dakle, jel izazivaju fear?
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Jel moze Stank da opali svoj top u prazno samo da bi kolateralno ostetio jedinicu sa kojom je u CC-u? I da li moze da gadja bas tu jedinicu sa procenom 0?
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ali uopste nije poenta u tome... poenta je da ti:
1. Nemas veru u Sigmara, i zato ti Hellblaster ne radi protiv goblina, kostura, itd.
2. Verujes u tamo neke tenkove, i ostale alternativne metodologije imperijalne borbe, dok je u stvarnosti Hellblaster osnova svega :D - dakle topovi, mortari, handugnneri, tenkovi - to sve dodje i prodje; jedino je Hellblaster siguran posao ;).
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pucanje u CC imaju samo skaveni... ako ti ne smeta da tenkom upravlja skavenski inzenjer, PUUUUCAAAAAJ!!! :lol:
mislim da ni pucanje u prazno nije dozvoljeno, ali ipak je to stank (sto ce reci, nikad se ne zna :( )
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Može li ovako: odmakneš se opališ pa se ponovo zaletiš u njih.
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Ne moze . . . charge je u movement fazi a pucanje u shooting, znaci: ili chargujes ili pucas. Osim ako ne mozes da pucas u neprijatelja ispred sebe . . . a to i ja pokusavam da saznam . . .

Tenk inace moze da puca ako je u CC-u, ako puca u jedinicu iza CC-a . . .
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ali uopste nije poenta u tome... poenta je da ti:
1. Nemas veru u Sigmara, i zato ti Hellblaster ne radi protiv goblina, kostura, itd.
2. Verujes u tamo neke tenkove, i ostale alternativne metodologije imperijalne borbe, dok je u stvarnosti Hellblaster osnova svega :D - dakle topovi, mortari, handugnneri, tenkovi - to sve dodje i prodje; jedino je Hellblaster siguran posao ;).
*Zbog promene sistema koji igram, ovo treba citati kao "combined late US veteran artillery barage of 12 or more barrels with first roll to range in success"
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A vidi ovo iz pravila za Stank:
The Steam Tank’s main guns cannot fire grapeshot, but any enemy unit in
base contact with the front of the steam Tank when the main cannon is
fired (ie, standing in front of the muzzle!) suffers D6 Strength 3 hitswith a -3 armour save modifier from the overheated steam released.
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Mozes da guess-ujes 0" i da opalis. Ali cemu - za te stvari imas HB?
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A jel moze HB da opali u jedinicu koju je tank uchargeovao??? A ako nemas HB nego top znaci mozes da guessujes 0" i da opalis ? ? ?
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ali uopste nije poenta u tome... poenta je da ti:
1. Nemas veru u Sigmara, i zato ti Hellblaster ne radi protiv goblina, kostura, itd.
2. Verujes u tamo neke tenkove, i ostale alternativne metodologije imperijalne borbe, dok je u stvarnosti Hellblaster osnova svega :D - dakle topovi, mortari, handugnneri, tenkovi - to sve dodje i prodje; jedino je Hellblaster siguran posao ;).
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Može li jedinica konjanika da se sakrije iza jedinice pešadije?

Primer:
Mogu li gladeguardovi da pucaju po bretonkim konjanicima koji su iza peasant bowmen skirmišera,ako nisu na brdu? :?:
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TheMarko wrote:A jel moze HB da opali u jedinicu koju je tank uchargeovao???...
Da. Ako hoces da vozis tenak - procitaj VTUP.
A ako nemas HB nego top znaci mozes da guessujes 0" i da opalis ? ? ?
Da.
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Petar-Pan. wrote:Može li jedinica konjanika da se sakrije iza jedinice pešadije?
Moze, dokle god konjica nije large target (mislim da nema ni jednog primera ali za svaki slucaj).
Primer:
Mogu li gladeguardovi da pucaju po bretonkim konjanicima koji su iza peasant bowmen skirmišera,ako nisu na brdu? :?:
Ne mogu da pucaju po konjanicima.
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Može li se raditi Cannon Sniping na pacovski ratling gun ako postoji LOS?
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No 1 wrote:Može li se raditi Cannon Sniping na pacovski ratling gun ako postoji LOS?
Moze.. Top vidi top gadja. Isto vazi i za stone thrower-e i mortar.
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samo mora da bude, pazi sad :wink: , kao, slucajno :wink: :wink: .
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