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Hvala valhalla i gile! :)

ps,jel imate shadow of doubt viška? :D
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Par pitanja:

Ako bacim Vesuvu u igru i kopiram Dimir Aquaduct, da li moram da vratim land u ruku kao kada bacam normalni Aquaduct? Takodje, ako kopiram Dreadship Reef i slicno sa Vesuvom, da li dobijam na njoj countere koji su bili na njima?

Hvala na svim odgovorima do sada.
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ReVeNaNt wrote:Par pitanja:

Ako bacim Vesuvu u igru i kopiram Dimir Aquaduct, da li moram da vratim land u ruku kao kada bacam normalni Aquaduct? Takodje, ako kopiram Dreadship Reef i slicno sa Vesuvom, da li dobijam na njoj countere koji su bili na njima?

Hvala na svim odgovorima do sada.
Da moras ga vratiti.
As Vesuva comes into play, you may choose a land in play. If you do, Vesuva comes into play tapped as a copy of the chosen land.

Trigeruje se comes into play efekat... neko ce ti sigurno bolje objasniti...

... moram i ja nekad da se napravim pametan xD
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ma ok je to samo nemoj da ti prelazi u naviku... :lol:
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Aj sad jedno zamrseno pitanje, molim samo sto jasnije i ozbiljne odgovore, jer ovakve stvari treba da se znaju ako se igra magic:

U mom potezu upada suspendovani Aeon Chronicler, protivnik baca Cradle to Grave na njega, ja bacam Cancel. Protivnik onda baca Lightning Axe, i kao madness baca Big Game Hunter-a. Ja bacam Mana Leak na Axe, on ne placa. E sada ovako: ako je Axe counterovan, da li on moze da baca Big Game-a i dalje, ili taj additional cost nije mogao da se radi? Da li sam ja cim taj Axe ode u graveyard, mogao da bacim Extirpate na njega. Protivnik kaze da se Axe i Big Game-a bacaju u isto vreme, tako da on moze da baci jos drugi Axe pre nego sto ja stignem da castujem Extirpate. Ja kazem da ne moze, jer Axe i Game idu jedan za drugim tako da kada ja counterujem Axe, pada Game, pa ja bacam Extirpate i kraj. Molim sto jasniji odgovor da razresi sva ova pitanja, jer mi vec gadno idu na zivce ove zavrzlame sa stackom i madnessom.

Unapred hvala.
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moze :lol:
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Five years ago or five minutes ago, have determined
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From now or five thousand years from now.
All history is a current event.” -Dr. John Henrik Clarke (sic)
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Ovako izgleda stack:

Aeon Chronicler
Cradle to Grave
Cancel
Lightning Axe (discard Bige Game Hunter)
Big game hunter (ako je platio madness cost)

Nije nishta komplikovano, madness radi ovako:

Diskardujesh kartu, onda izaberesh da li tjesh da platish njen madness cost. Ako platish ona se rimuvuje van igre i odgira se (tako da mozhesh da je counterujesh kao i svaki drugi spell). Additional cost se platja pri igranju spella, ne pri rizolvovanju

Ako ti protivnik nije predao prioritet, on mozhe da odigra josh spellova. Tek kada ti preda prioritet, onda mozhesh da igrash neshto u risponsu.

Zakljuchak: Mozhe da odigra big game huntera i mozhe da odigra josh jedan lava axe, pod uslovom da ti nije predao prioritet
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Post by Valnjes 666 »

@ snake - sad ni ja više ne kužim :(

onako mislim da može sve lijepo odigrati u response i ovisno o tome šta je gdje na steku,tako se i rezolva,isto tako se i countera.

al meni sad više ništa nije jasno...

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Znaci u sustini, ja u MOJOJ fazi nista ne mogu da radim, dok on ne pobaca sta hoce, iako je Extirpate instant, i kad ga ja bacim on ne moze nista da baca?? Koliko sam ja do sada shvatio prioritet ide bacis spell, prioritet ide njemu, baci spell, ide meni etc. Kako to mislis predao?
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Ne, nego kada spell ili ability ode na stek, aktivni igrach dobija prioritet. Kada aktivni igrach dobije prioritet, on mozhe da odgira neshto ili da preda taj prioritet. Onda neaktivni igrach dobija prioritet. I tako u krug dok se ne isprazni stek.

Aktivni igrach je onaj chiji je potez.
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Sto se steka i prioriteta tice stvari stoje ovako.

Na pocetku svake faze igrac ciji je to potez dobije prioritet. On se u tom potezu zove aktivan igrac. On moze da odigra neki spell, ability izvrsi specijalnu akciju ili preda prioritet.

408.1i Special actions don’t use the stack. The special actions are playing a land (see rule 408.2d),
turning a face-down creature face up (see rule 408.2h), ending continuous effects or stopping
delayed triggered abilities (see rule 408.2i), ignoring continuous effects (see rule 408.2j), and
removing a card with suspend in your hand from the game (see rule 408.2k).

Posto igrac zavrsi igranje spela ili ability-a ili specijalne akcije on opet dobije prioritet. On moze opet da igra novi spell ili ability. I tako sve dok ne preda prioritet.

Svaki put pre nego sto igrac dobije prioritet, to vazi i kada igrac A nesto igra pa opet on dobije prioritet jer ga nije predao protivniku, prvo se provere state based efekti. Da li je neko pobedio, izgubio. Da li neko stvorenje ima na sebi lethal damage. da li neko stvorenje ima toughness nula. Da li je neka aura vezana za pogresan permanent ili nije vezana ni za jedan. Da ne davim. Posto se zavrsi provera statebased efekata igrac treba da dobije prioritet.

Pre nego sto se njemu dodeli prioritet svi trigered efekti koji su trigerovali u medju vremenu se stavljaju na stek. Prvo aktivan igrac stavi svoje kojim redom hoce, pa neaktivan igrac svoje. Kada se to zavrsi igrac ima prioritet. Onda on moze da radi isto. Igra spelove ili abilitije ili da preda prioritet.

Kada obojica predaju prioritet uzastopce. Znaci igrac A nesto odigra pa preda pa B odmah preda bez da ista igra, prva stvar koja je na steku resolvuje. Posto spell ili ability koji je bio na vrhu steka resolvuje provere se state based efekti. Posle se opet trigered ability stavljaju na stek. Posto se trigered ability stave na stek AKTIVAN igrac dobija prioritet. Svaki put kada obojica predaju uzastopce prioritet kada je stek prazan igra ide u novu fazu.

Sto se Madness-a tice. Za ovo sam davio sudije na netu posto je pravilo menjano. Rekli su mi da madness sada radi ovako.

Recimo ja hocu da igram kartu koja ima madness. Zbog bilo kog razloga ja diskardujem kartu koja ima madness, protivnik me gadjao stupor-om ili sam placao aditional cost, ali umesto da je stavim u groblje ja je sklonim van igre. Pri predaji prioriteta, kako sam gore napisao, madness triger stavljam na stek. Kada taj madness triger resolvuje ja imam dve opcije. Da platim madness cost i da odigram madness kartu ili da je stavim na groblje.

@ Reverant

Odgovor na tvoje pitanje jako zavisi od toga kako ste predavali prioritete jedan drugom. Ja cu da pretpostavim redosled dogadjaja, a ako omanem izvini.

Aeon udje u tvom upkeep-u. To tebe cini aktivnim igracem posto je tvoj potez. Ti protivniku predas prioritet. On odigra Cradle to Grave i preda tebi prioritet. Ti odigras Cancel i predas njemu prioritet. On odigra Lightning axe, diskarduje big game hunter-a kao aditional cost. Posto ti nije predao prioritet pre nego sto ga on ponovo dobije Madness triger ide na stek. Protivnik preda tebi prioritet. Ti odigras mana leak.

stek izgleda ovako od vrha na dole :

Mana leak
Madness triger
Lightning Axe
Cancel
Cradle to Grave

Ti predas. On preda. Mana leak resolvuje. U toku resolva protivnik ne plati 3 Lightning axe je kaunterovan i ide na groblje.

Ti Dobijes prioritet. Ti odigras Extripate. Protivnik preda. Extripate prodje.

Stek izgleda ovako

Madness triger
Cancel
Cradle to Grave

Ti dobijes prioritet. Predas, protivnik preda. Resolvuje se madness triger. Protivnik u toku resolva plati madness cost.

Stek izgleda ovako

Big Game Hunter
Cancel
Cradle to Grave

Ti dobijas prioritet. Predas, protivnik preda. Big Game Hunter resolvuje.

Ti dobijes prioritet. Predas, protivnik preda. Resolvuje se Cancel.

Ti dobijes prioritet. Predas, protivnik preda. Posto ste obojica predali prioritet na prazan stek igra ide u novu fazu. Ti vuces kartu i pocinje tvoja prva main faza.

Izvini ako sam bio preopsiran, ali hteo sam ovo lepo da objasnim. Vecina ljudi stvarno slabo razume stek i prioritete pa to pravi veliku konfiziju na turnirima.

Ako sam negde pogresio slobodno me ispravite. Ljudi ne smeju da dobijaju pogresna objasnjenja za pravila.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Nikakvo izvinjenje nije potrebno, sto je opsirnije to bolje, ne mrzi me da citam odgovor na pitanje koje sam sam postavio. Hvala na odgovoru.
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turbo wrote: Delay je dobar, kao sto rekose, sjajno radi sa teferijem.
Daj mi objasni što se događa s Delay counterom u kombinaciji s Teferijem?

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Teferi izmedju ostalog kompletno gasi suspend i madness mehaniku.

* 9/25/2006 The last ability means that in order for an opponent to play a spell, it must be that opponent's turn, during a main phase, and the stack must be empty. This is true even if the player doesn't have a sorcery he or she is able to play, or if a rule or effect allows a spell to be played at another time.
* 9/25/2006 If you have Teferi in play, you may remove from the game creature cards in your hand with suspend any time you could play an instant.
* 9/25/2006 If an ability lets an opponent play a spell as part of its effect (such as Isochron Scepter's ability does), that opponent can't play that spell since the currently resolving ability is still on the stack.
* 9/25/2006 Your opponents can't play their suspended cards, no matter what phase it is when the last time counter is removed. Your opponents can't play cards using the madness ability either, no matter what phase it is when the card is discarded.

Kada se poslednji suspend kaunter skine sa suspend karte, pri predaji prioriteta isto kao za madness suspend triger se stavi na stek. U trenutku dok on resolvuje ti igras suspend kartu. Isto je i sa madness-om. U trenutku dok madness triger resolvuje ti placas madness cost i igras kartu.

Po pravilu ti moras da imas prioritet da bi nesto igrao. Ne mozes da igras dok se spell ili ability resolvuje. Madness triger i suspend triger krse ovo pravilo. Daju ti da igras, tj stavis nesto na stek, dok oni resolvuju. Posto u tom trenutku stek nikako ne moze da bude prazan, na njemu je suspend triger ili madness triger, Teferi onemogucava igranje suspend ili madness karte na ovaj nacin. Suspend karta u tom slucaju ostaje removed from the game.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Do jaja! :D

ALi jer mogu ja igrati madness ili suspend,ili oba playera ne mogu?
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Na Teferi-u pise.

Each opponent can play spells only any time he or she could play a sorcery.

Znaci oni ne mogu. Ti mozes.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Fakjeah! :D

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Naravno da mozhesh da igrash madness karte, samo shto ih igrash u svojoj main fazi...
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Protivnici ne mogu da igraju karte preko madness-a uopste. Sve ono sto sam stavio u predhodnom postu je ruling direktno skinut sa Gatherer-a. Teferi potpuno gasi svim protivnicima suspend i madness. Bez obzira koja je faza oni ne mogu da igraju karte preko suspend-a i madness-a.

* 9/25/2006 Your opponents can't play their suspended cards, no matter what phase it is when the last time counter is removed. Your opponents can't play cards using the madness ability either, no matter what phase it is when the card is discarded.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Nisam rekao da ih igrash za madness cost. Odigrash ih lepo za pravi cost :D

Shalim se, ovo nesam znao. Fala :wink:
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Jedno pitanje u vezi madness-a:

Ja imam Recless Wurm-a pod kontrolom. Protivnik u svojoj main fazi baca Ribbons of Night na mog Wurm-a. Ja takodje imam pod kontrolom Trespasser Il-Vec -a i koristim njegov abiliy (i to ide na stack?) da discardujem Big game Huntera i odigram ga za madness cost . E sad da li on ide na vrh stacka i ubija mog wurm-a pre nego sto ribbons dodje na red ili se ribbons razresava prvi? (ovo radim naravno da bi ga sprecio da se izleci i da vuce kartu)
Protivnik me ubedjuje da se njegov ribbons razresava prvi :S ?! ?! Da li je to tacno i ako jeste, zasto?
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Nije tacno ti ubijes crva jer si sve to radio u odgovor pa je sve normalno preko ribonsa na stacku .
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Hvala na odgovoru :!:
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Posto se danas u WD-u poteglo rasprava, ja sam je pokrenuo i shvatio da dosta ljudi ovo izgleda ne zna, da postujem sta pise na zvanicnom sajtu Wizards-a. Ovo je iz objasnjenja za svaku kartu iz Future Sight-a.

Delay
{1}{U}
Instant
Counter target spell. If the spell is countered this way, remove it from the game with three time counters on it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend. (At the beginning of its owner's upkeep, remove a counter from that card. When the last is removed, the player plays it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste.)

* When the last time counter is removed from the removed card, it's played as a completely new spell. Modes and targets are chosen again. If the spell has any additional costs, they must be paid again. If they can't be, the spell can't be played and stays removed from the game.

* If the spell targeted by Delay was played with flashback, Delay's effect will remove it from the game, not the flashback effect. The card will get time counters and gain suspend (if it didn't already have suspend).

* See "Theme: New Twists on Suspend" in the General Notes section above.

Nadam se da na ovaj nacin mogu da se izbegnu bespotrebne polemike na turnirima, kao one koje se i dalje desavaju oko Teferija i suspend-a, mada se bojim da ce biti slaba vajda jer ovu rubiku izgleda niko ne cita.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Ne kontam, shta sa Teferijem?

I to boldovano, jel to odskora?
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Nikola wrote:Ne kontam, shta sa Teferijem?

I to boldovano, jel to odskora?
Na gatherer-u za Teferija izmedju ostalnog pise:

Your opponents can't play their suspended cards, no matter what phase it is when the last time counter is removed. Your opponents can't play cards using the madness ability either, no matter what phase it is when the card is discarded.

I pores toga sto to stoji tamo od oktobra i dalje ima ljudi koji hoce da igraju karte preko suspend-a i madness-a kada je on u igri. Kazu moze u mojoj main fazi. Posto je malo bez veze da posle pola godine i dalje ima nekog ko ovo ne zna mislio sam da takve diskusije oko delay-a i flashback-a predupredim mojim predhodim postom. To je iz Future Sight cards FAQ dokumenta koji je okacen na sajtu Wizards-a. Ostaje da se nadam da ce ljudi ovo procitati.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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frenk_castle wrote:Kazu moze u mojoj main fazi.
Josh uvek m nije jasno... Ne odsuspenduju li se karte u upkeep-u?


Shto se delay-a tiche, jea, radi.

Mislim da treba napomenuti da je to potpuno nov spell i da, nakon resolvovanja ne ide u rfg vec (opet) u groblje :)
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Nikola wrote:Mislim da treba napomenuti da je to potpuno nov spell i da, nakon resolvovanja ne ide u rfg vec (opet) u groblje :)
Tacno. Uopste se ne isplati igrati delay na kartu koja se igra preko flashback-a. Jer se u tom slucaju posle tri poteza ona resolvuje i ode na groblje. Pa protivnik moze opet daje igra preko flashback-a.

Za Teferi-a. Protivnik moze da suspenduje kartu kada je on u igri. Time counter-i se skidaju normalno. Kada se skine poslednji Teferi ne dozvoljava protivniku da odigra tu kartu i ona ostaje removed from the game.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Nikola wrote:Josh uvek m nije jasno... Ne odsuspenduju li se karte u upkeep-u?
Gargadon , Kraken , timebug , clockspinig , onaj novi 1/1 sto skida countere , sve to moze da se rezolvuje u main-u ako se nastima ali svejedno ne moze zbog teferija.
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Sorry, don't use those. :D
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Aj cik da vidim da neko ovo objasni :twisted: :

Moze li neko da mi kaze kako se koristi Volcano Helion, tj, njegov echo i sta se desava kad on udje u igru.

Unapred hvala.
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Za vecinu stvari odes lepo na link http://gatherer.wizards.com/ ukucas kartu koja te zanima. Kada ti izbaci spisak karata kliknes na onu koja te interesuje i vidis ruling-e za nju. Tek kada tamo nema ono sto te zanima pitas. Brze ti je tako jer ne moras da cekas odgovor. Za Volcano Hellion-a pise sledece.

* 2/1/2007 As Volcano Hellion's comes-into-play ability resolves, you choose a number. Volcano Hellion deals that amount of damage to you and to the targeted creature. You may choose 0.
* 2/1/2007 Volcano Hellion's echo cost constantly changes; it's not locked in when it comes into play. The echo cost you pay is equal your life total as the echo triggered ability resolves.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Znaci u sustini, ja imam trenutno 15 healtha, bacim helliona, on udari neku kreaturu za 15 (ili izaberem 0??), i onda ja kao echo cost platim 15 mane (ili ne platim nista jer sam izabrao 0??), i popijem onoliko dammagea koliko je echo cost???
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ReVeNaNt wrote:Znaci u sustini, ja imam trenutno 15 healtha, bacim helliona, on udari neku kreaturu za 15 (ili izaberem 0??), i onda ja kao echo cost platim 15 mane (ili ne platim nista jer sam izabrao 0??), i popijem onoliko dammagea koliko je echo cost???
Creature - Hellion
P/T: 6/5
Rules Text (Oracle): Volcano Hellion has echo X Mana, where X is your life total.
When Volcano Hellion comes into play, it deals an amount of damage of your choice to you and target creature. The damage can't be prevented.


Kad Volcano Hellion udje u igru, izaberes broj koji hoces. Volcano Hellion udara toliko "demidza" u kreaturu koju izaberes i u tebe.
Njegov ECHO se, kao sto je Frenk citirao, konstantno menja i jednak je onoliko koliko je tvoj LIFE TOTAL.

U sledecem ( i samo sledecem ) upkeepu, ako zelis da Volcano Hellion ostane u igri, moras platiti njegov ECHO COST.

A Volcano Hellion kaze da mu je echo cost jednak onoliko na koliko si zivota ( u trenutku kad placas ). Ako si na 13 lifea, moras platiti 13 .. ako si na 3 lifea, platis 3 .. itd .. ako ne platis ( recimo ne zelis, ili ne mozes da platis posto nemas dovoljno mane ), Hellion ide u groblje.
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Zahvaljujem na odgovorima!!!
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MTG Online STRIKES AGAIN

Juce u klubu mi je dosta ljudi dalo prilicno zanimljivo tumacenje sta se dogadja kada se Venser odigra u responce-u na recimo Call of the Herd odigran preko flashback-a. Pretpostavljam da se tako stvarno desava na MTG online. Posto je taj program bagovit, a mene mrzi da se preganjam sa ljudima evo pokusaja da se to izbegne.

Direktno sa Gatherer-a

Venser, Shaper Savant 2UU

Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
2/2

Flash (You may play this spell any time you could play an instant.)
When Venser, Shaper Savant comes into play, return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand.


Official Rulings

* 5/1/2007 If a spell is returned to its owner's hand, it's removed from the stack and thus will not resolve. The spell isn't countered; it just no longer exists.
* 5/1/2007 If a copy of a spell is returned to its owner's hand, it's moved there, then it will cease to exist as a state-based effect.
* 5/1/2007 If Venser's comes-into-play ability targets a spell played with flashback, that spell will be removed from the game instead of returning to its owner's hand.

Dakle ako igrac A odigra preko flashback-a recimo Call, a igrac B odigra Vensera i targetuje Call posto Venser-ov ability resolve-uje Call se sklanja van igre i igrac A ne dobija 3/3 Elephant token.

S obzirom da ce zilion ljudi igrati Call u subotu nadam se da ce ovo spreciti bespotrebnu raspravu. :D :D Kao da ce ovo neko stvarno i da procita.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Plagiarize

3U

Instant

Until end of turn, if target player would draw a card, instead that player skips that draw and you draw a card.
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Pitanje: pocetak mog upkeepa, protivnik mi igra Plagiarize. Ja u odgovor igram takodje Plagiarize. Ko vuce kartu u mom draw stepu? I da li je svejedno da li igram Plagiarize u odgovor(na vrh stacka da se prvo razresi) ili sacekam da se njegov razresi pa tek onda odigram.
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dd fan wrote:---------
Plagiarize

3U

Instant

Until end of turn, if target player would draw a card, instead that player skips that draw and you draw a card.
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Pitanje: pocetak mog upkeepa, protivnik mi igra Plagiarize. Ja u odgovor igram takodje Plagiarize. Ko vuce kartu u mom draw stepu? I da li je svejedno da li igram Plagiarize u odgovor(na vrh stacka da se prvo razresi) ili sacekam da se njegov razresi pa tek onda odigram.
If you and your opponent each play Plagiarize on each other during the same turn, the two spells effectively cancel each other out. You will draw cards when you normally would, and so will your opponent.


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INACE, ako vam treba brz odgovor - imate na Wizardsovom sajtu skoro za svaku kartu objasnjen veliki broj "interesantnih situacija"
http://www.wizards.com/magic
pa gore desno otkucate ime karte i izaberete RULINGS

Takodje, postoji slican servis na Starcitygames.com ..
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2007-10-01 By the time this ability resolves, Elvish Eulogist will most likely be in your graveyard, so it will be counted by its own ability.


Za sve pro-ove out there....... :)
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