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kako je stopirano uclanjivanje kad ovi pice, li pice?
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Pa nije vise, kao sto vidis...
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pa jbg najnoviji clan je viagra-kaufen. :D
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Pa jbga predlozi resenje... imas otvorenu temu u forumu Administracija
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Post by novot »

A sta mislite o seriji od pet-sest debilnih pitanja sa odgovorima da-ne kako bi se pristupilo registraciji (pitanja strogo na nasem jeziku)? Ne znam da li je to izvodljivo.
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Time nista ne dobijes... bot ce odgovoriti na sve... mozda bi bilo resenje da pri prijavi forum engine salje mail na adresu koju unese korisnik, pa da moraju da potvrde, ili da im forum salje mail, pa oni da moraju da otvore neku stranicu na kojoj se nalazi link ka aktivaciji (ovo zadnje bi bilo najbezbednije)... ili potvrda citanja (imas neki zamrljani gif niz cifara i brojeva koje treba da se unesu)....
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Post by Dawngreeter »

A zasto ne postoji ona varjanta sa konfirmacijom email adrese? Nece zaustaviti nikoga ko se bas nameraci, ali ako se ogranici da ne moze vise usera sa istom email adresom da se uclane, neko treba bas mnogo da se smara da bi vise od jednog usera napravio.

EDIT: Khm, da. A mogao bih detaljno sve postove da procitam pre nego sto okacim reply. Tek sad videh da je i post iznad mog isto ovo predlozio.
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Momci, a cekanje od 48 sati?
Mislim, ne postoji ni jedan buduci clan nekog foruma kome se toliko zuri da postuje, da mu treba usre odmah sada odmah. Stavite da ce e-mail sa konfirmacionom sifrom stici u narednih 24 do 48 sati, i nek to zaista bude toliko dugo, a ne u naredih 5 minuta.
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Slanje aktivacionog maila posle 48 sati nece spreciti botove da se registruju.
Predlog je: Slicica sa nekim zabrljanim tekstom, plus ban IP adrese na 24 sata posle 3 greske.
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Danasnji botovi su mnogo pametni...
Svi vasi predlozi su vec ukljuceni (osim onog od 24-48h ali ni taj ne bi nista promenio).
Uclanjenje ide preko konfirmacije maila... namesten je enable visual confirmation (Requires users enter a code defined by an image when registering.)... ali ne vredi...
mozda ovaj dzon vejnov predlog za link, mada ako bot ide vec preko konfirmacije u e-mail ne vidim zasto ne bi isao i na sajt automatski da potvrdi uclanjenje...
Ja nisam ekspert, mozda raziel nesto smisli...

Ajmo dalje predlozi... :?
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Ok, ajmo redom:
Da li bot pravi i e-mail adresu koju koristi za prijavu? Ako da, pitanje je kojim algoritmom proverava sadrzaj poruke.
Znam da bi ovo malo zakomplikovalo stvar, ali, sta ako je za potvrdu potrebno odgovoriti na dva e-maila? Tj, da prvi sadrzi dodatna pitanja koja morate tacno da odgovorite (a nisu multiple choice) i da onda posaljete mail sa odgovorima na (novu?) e-mail adresu. Znam da zvuci komplikovano, ali pokusavam da rezonujem sta nije stavljeno u botov algoritam.
Ovo je sve pod predpostavkom da su botovi potpuno automatizovani (dzaba nam ako je postovanje poruka automatizovano, dok registraciju radi neko rucno...)
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Post by Awakened »

A da stranica join.php ili register.php ili kako vec ima flash link ka stranici sa pravim formularom za prijavu?
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a da otvorimo iznad obavestenja podsekciju uclanjivanje, onda lepo ljudi posalju svoj mail i zeljeni nick. Onda im admin ili moderator otvori nalog i odgovori u mailu . Ili napravimo na gmailu klubzmaj mail adresu na koju ljudi salju prijave.
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Ja sada ne znam koliko vi moderatori i administratori imate posla, ali megabajina ideja nie zvuci lose. Mozete da uradite kao sto to rade neke grupe na yahoo-u. Lepo das nick, email i ostale podatke koje traze i napises recimo zasto zelis da budes clan foruma. Ovde to koristite smo da vidite da nisu u pitanju neki stranci koji ce da spamuju forum. Pa onda lepo administrator pogleda svaku molbu i odobri i odtvori nalog ili odbije. Ne znam da li botovi to mogu da probiju. Ne znam kolio je to resenje ostvarljivo na forumu, ali eto ideje.

Druga ideja je mozda glupa jer ima clanova iz raznih zemalja, ali ima nacina da se kada se neko nakaci na sajt proveri koji mu je operativni sistem, ip adresa, ime prezime, zemlja. To se sve unosi u Windows i cini mi se Linux. Onda se samo proveri zemlja koja mu je unesena u operativni sistem i ako nije sa spiska zabrani mu se dalji pristup forumu. Onda nema naloga i nema spama. Samo ne znam koliko je to izvodljivo.

Mislim da nijednu od ovde dve zastite botovi ne mogu da probiju. Ovu prvu gde se odobrava svaki nalog ponaosob sigurno ne mogu, samo ne znam koliko su izvodljive.

Miso hajde reci ako ovo ne moze imam prijatelje koji se bave ovim pa mozda mogu da ih pitam za savet.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

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Kako bi bilo da se u aktivacioni mail upise poruka tipa: "Odgovori na mail pera@yahoo[tacka]com (ili: pera[majmunce]yahoo.com; pera[majmunce]yahoo[tacka]com)" i da se obrazlozi u uvodnom delu maila da kada se salje mail da se [tacka] zameni sa "." i [majmunce] sa "@" ili tako neka vrsta sifrirane poruke, (koja je svakako na srpskom) ? ? ?
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ali uopste nije poenta u tome... poenta je da ti:
1. Nemas veru u Sigmara, i zato ti Hellblaster ne radi protiv goblina, kostura, itd.
2. Verujes u tamo neke tenkove, i ostale alternativne metodologije imperijalne borbe, dok je u stvarnosti Hellblaster osnova svega :D - dakle topovi, mortari, handugnneri, tenkovi - to sve dodje i prodje; jedino je Hellblaster siguran posao ;).
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Megabajina ideja je jedina koliko-toliko sigurna zastita. Ali, mislim da moze biti naporno adminima da svakoga ponaosob uclanjuju.
Sto se tice druge opcije, zabrana pristupa nekim drzavama ne dolazi u obzir. Najvise spama potice iz amerike (dotle me je trace doveo),a imamo bar dva clana odatle.
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Paz'te ljudi, jos nije napravljen bot koji uspesn oresava tzv. 'zamrljana slova'. Zadnji put kad sam gledao te i takve stvari, to je bio prilicno aktuelan problem prepoznavanja oblika, te programa koji glume vestacku inteligenciju. Potreban je jako, ali zaista jako kompleksan program da zanemari bezveze ubacenu krivu liniju preko slova i brojeva. Poenta ka koje polako dolazim je da ocigledno nisu u pitanju botovi nego zivi ljudi koji prave naloge. A njih necete zajebati bilo kojim sigurnosnim mehanizmom bez da nanesete iste tolike probleme regularnim korisnicima.

Predlazem konstantno logovanje IP adresa novouclanjenih, pracenje sa kojih providera dolaze i kada ih se sakupi dovoljno (deset, dvadeset, pedeset, sto, kolko god) da neko posalje mail provider-u sa zalbom za spam i pomenutim logom. Dalje je njihov problem koji su duzni da rese. Mi smo imali na Debrisu slicnu situaciju, mahom iz Izraela su ljudi dolazili. Ali posle obrisanih dvadesetak naloga su se proredili na jedan mesecno, pa mi dodje jednostavnije da ih rucno brisem nego da ih prijavljujem. Al' prituzba na spam jeste nesto na sta je svaki ISP duzan da reaguje.
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Misa wrote: mozda ovaj dzon vejnov predlog za link, mada ako bot ide vec preko konfirmacije u e-mail ne vidim zasto ne bi isao i na sajt automatski da potvrdi uclanjenje...
Nisam siguran, ali mislim da botovi (barem vecina) nisu podeseni i da citaju sadrzaj strane na koju odu kada poptvrdjuje mailom. Mislim da imaju mehanizam za citanje maila i potvrdu, ali na vecini foruma kada odes tamo vec si se aktivirao. Naravno, nije da oni ne mogu da reprogrmiraju botove, ali si neko vreme miran.

Markova ideja je isto dobra... mada to mogu brzo da reprogramiraju.... takodje je dobar i onaj predlog da moraju tacno da odgovore na pitanje (koje bi recimo moglo da bude kako se zove forum na koji se prijavljujete, ili nesto slicno sto ce svako znati, a ponudis mu 20 opcija (mada i to moze da se reprogramira, da prolazi kroz sve opcije dok ne naleti na tacnu))...

Ovo sa slikom mi se cinilo najsigurnije, ali kad Misa kaze da su vec kroz OCR provukli i to, onda.....

U svakom slucaju, onaj ko hoce on ce da nadje nacin da zaobidje zastitu, e sad ako se ubace sve ove opcije o kojima smo pricali i neko i dalje napravi bot koji sve to zaobilazi, od njega bojim se da nema zastite, osim mozda banovanja od strane njegovog providera (koga opet moze da promeni kasnije....)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Post by stalker »

Ali, mislim da moze biti naporno adminima da svakoga ponaosob uclanjuju.
vjerujte da je manje naporno da se ponaosob brissu...bilo kako bilo , trenutno imamo samo dvije opcije , rucno brisanje i instantdeath za sve sa 0 postova.
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Hm, a ovako:

Prvo okacite ovde da svako ko zeli da se uclani MORA da napise "nisam bot" negde u svom profilu, recimo polje 'interesovanja' ili tako nesto.

Onda postavite job nad bazom koji
1. brise sve korisnike kreirane posle 8.12.2006 koji nemaju "nisam bot" u profilu
2. brise poruke korisnika iz tacke 1.

Naravski prvo ide brisanje poruka pa korisnika...

EDIT: kako sam ovo kucao, kroz glavu su mi proletele scene iz Terminatora :) Vezite kera na ulazu na forum da laje kad naidju botovi....
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Ako jos uvek imate problem, palo mi je nesto napamet: uclanjivanje jedino po preporuci. Tj, neko od vec postojecih korisnika mora da posalje mail d apotvrdi da vi niste bot. Mozda bude malo mukotrpno u pocetku, ali bih voleo da vidim bota koji ce da mi zarazi masinu i da sa nje posalje mail sa mog naloga kako bi se uclanio na forum.
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Jes', ovaj, 'ocu reci, imas pravo sinko . . . .
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ali uopste nije poenta u tome... poenta je da ti:
1. Nemas veru u Sigmara, i zato ti Hellblaster ne radi protiv goblina, kostura, itd.
2. Verujes u tamo neke tenkove, i ostale alternativne metodologije imperijalne borbe, dok je u stvarnosti Hellblaster osnova svega :D - dakle topovi, mortari, handugnneri, tenkovi - to sve dodje i prodje; jedino je Hellblaster siguran posao ;).
*Zbog promene sistema koji igram, ovo treba citati kao "combined late US veteran artillery barage of 12 or more barrels with first roll to range in success"
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