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Extended rasprava feat. - gile,luka & other n00bs

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Ovo je deck sa kojim sam igrao na poslednjem turniru (koji sam i osvojio):

2 Flastones of Trokair
4 Godless Shrine
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Caves of Koilos
2 Sulufrous Springs
2 Battlefield Forge
2 Blood Crypt
1 Urza's Factory
1 Orzhova, the Church of Deals
1 Boros Garrison
2 Orzhov Basilica
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Swamp
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22 Land


4 Firemane Angel
3 Skeletal Vampire
3 Angel of Despair
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10 Creatures

3 Phyrexian Arena
4 Wrath of God
4 Mortify
4 Lightning Helix
2 Faith's Fetters
2 Persecute
4 Orzhov signet
3 Boros signet
1 Debtor's Knell
1 Demonfire
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28 Other Spells


Deck nije losh, malo je zeznuta mana baza, ali signeti vade stvar.Dobri match-upovi su mu GhaziGlare, Rack (BW i Mono B),Zoo, Gruul, Boros,Dragonstorm i MartyrTron. Triskeltron, UB Pickles i AngelFire su 50-50 matchupovi. Najloshiji matchupovi su deckovi koji pakuju:Castigate,Hide/Seek,Jester's Cap, tj. sve karte sa RFG efektom.

Sada se malo menja situacija, poshto je izashao extripate, pa ce biti problem, jedini nachin je povecavanje win conditiona u decku.

Ako neko hoce da se igra sa ovim deckom, mogu i da postujem sb...

Pozz

EDIT: Lol, zashto je P.i.c.k.l.e.s pod cenzurom? :twisted:
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Snake wrote:Ovo je deck sa kojim sam igrao na poslednjem turniru (koji sam i osvojio)
Protiv kojih dekova si igrao?
Snake wrote:Ako neko hoce da se igra sa ovim deckom, mogu i da postujem sb...
Postuj sb ako nije problem. Tesko je realno oceniti dek ako ne vidis ceo arsenal kojim raspolaze.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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1. RU Aggro/Control (Win)
2. AngelFire (Win)
3. BW Rack (Win)
4. Anglefire (Draw)
5.GhaziGlare sa splashom crne (Win)
6.AngelFire (Win)
7. White Weenie (Win)


SB:
4 Hide/Seek
2 Void
1 Persecute
3 Tormod's Crypt
4 Giant Solifuge
1 Debtor's Knell
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Tier 1 deckova: 0
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What-a? White Weenie na t2?
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Post by Mladizmaj »

mislim da je nije optimalno drzati vise firemine angela pored karte koja se zove extripate :)

tako da ti je time vec vining deo doveden u pitanje
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Post by Luka »

Iskreno nisam upucen mnogo u ovu logiku ali kako se ove price razlikuju od komentara tipa:

Leyline of the Void - Psychatog je mrtav!
Loaming Shaman - Psychatog je mrtav!
Sudden Death - Psychatog je mrtav!
Tormod's Crypt - Psychatog je mrtav i mrtav!!
Sudden Shock - Psychatog je mrtav, mrtav i mrtav!!!

Ko misli da jeste, grdno se vara...

Sto se tice Firemejna i ovog Shinkovog deka, jos uvek njega (dek) i njemu slicne ne bih otpisao jer ako nema firemejna tu su Skeletal Vampir, Angel of Despair, Demonfire, Debator's Kneel, Urza's Factory pa cak i ta Orzhova. Sve to naravno ne znaci da necu drzati Extirpate u sajdu.
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Luka wrote:Iskreno nisam upucen mnogo u ovu logiku ali kako se ove price razlikuju od komentara tipa:

Leyline of the Void - Psychatog je mrtav!
Loaming Shaman - Psychatog je mrtav!
Sudden Death - Psychatog je mrtav!
Tormod's Crypt - Psychatog je mrtav i mrtav!!
Sudden Shock - Psychatog je mrtav, mrtav i mrtav!!!

Ko misli da jeste, grdno se vara...
Ako mislis na Trinket toga, varas se ti.

Stavis counterbalance i top,par fecheva, card draw i removale i eto ti dek. Kill je ladno mogao da bude i court hussar umesto Toga...Dek je extremno spor a afiniti ti je vise nego ikad beznadezan mechap. To je samo metagejm dek za dobijanje tepsa, nista vise.

Kako se bude povecavao broj ljudi koji dolaze sa afinitijem, tako ce i Tog otici u zaborav...
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Post by Nikola »

Tog je mrtav, dok se te karte igraju...

Leline - ne
Shaman - ne
Sudden Death-wtf?
Crypt - da
Shock - ne

...

I tako...
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Post by gile »

E luka imam za tebe vesti....
Tog jeste mrtav....
Iako ti pokusavas nesto stavljanjem 3 katakija u sajd i jednog belog lenda u mejn da iznenadis ravagera nece moci....
Sta da ti kazem sve znam sve vidim...
A ti fiki shock se ne igra???
wtf??
Svaki boros ga drzi pogledaj malo dekove sa ext u svetu...
A to da toga ravager pregazi to je ziva i neopoziva istina tako da luka ponovicu se
da tog je mrtav.... :lol: :wink:
to be or not to be.....that is a question...now
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Post by Luka »

Cini mi se da su neke stvari ovde malo izvrnute...

"Primer" Psychatoga sam koristio iskljucivo kako bih pokazao da postojanje jedne hejt karte (koju pride ne mogu da igraju svi dekovi (Extripate vs. Firemane Angel)) ne unistava u potpunosti jedan solidan dek kao takav. Da budem jasniji, moja poenta je bila da je ovaj dek (Firemane) i dalje igriv na T2 bez obzira sto je Extirpate usao u card pool za Standard.

Ne bih voleo da mnogo raspredam picu koja je off topic ali sto se tice samog Psychatoga...
Ja ga licno, iz valjda do sada svima razumljivih razloga, jos ne bih otpisao (na zadnjem turniru koji je organizovao Valhalla nisam usao u Top 8 zbog tiebrackera (jbg. tada nije bio legalan Palnar Chaos ali to bi mi tada islo samo u korist (Damnation)).
Trinket-Toga dosta igram u poslednje vreme i mada moram da priznam da bi bilo mnogo bolje da igram protiv dekova koje ce ljudi igrati za koju nedelju (pogotovo Affinitia jer metchup je zaista katastrofa i bio bih izuzetno napacena i neiskrena osoba kada bih govorio suprotno) a ne ne-znam-ni-ja-cega-iz-WDa, za sada mu nisam nasao neku vecu manu. Jedini kudikamo normalan dek protiv kojeg sam testirao je gifts rock, ali za to nisam ja kriv koliko ljudi koji ne dolaze u klub, ma koji, da testiraju dekove za turnir mada je i to krajnje sporno... :wink:
Voleo bih takodje ovom prilikom da uputim poziv ljudima iz BG-a koji imaju vremena za testiranje za PTQ (koji, koliko sam razumeo Danijelu, bi trebalo da bude pre Certa) da mi se jave da se malo organizujemo i pokrenemo mrtvo more poznato kao "domaca ext. scena."

I, naravno, za kraj... Tog Is Not Dead. :twisted: :wink:
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Post by Nikola »

gile wrote: Svaki boros ga drzi pogledaj malo dekove sa ext u svetu...
1. Ne igra se u vecini lista... (otuda i pojava trinket toga)
2. There is no Boros, Boros is dead. :)
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Post by frenk_castle »

Hajde kada svi Sinku spamujete topic da se i ja malo pravim pametan.

Svetska i nasa extended meta ne mogu da se porede.

Na svetkom niko nije igrao Tooth and Nail. Komentar svih je bio da je dek los izbor. Ovde ga Krle redovno igra i redovno ima dobar plasman. Razlog je prost. Ljudi ovde nemaju karte za dekove koji su Tooth-u los matchup.

Raffinity isto nista nije uradio na svetskom. Hate-ovali su ga do bezumlja. Ovde se takodje zbog manjka karata koje mu smetaju Raffinity igra sa dosta uspeha.

Psyhatog-a je par ljudi igralo na svetskom. Najbolji rezultat je koliko znam bio 4-2. I pored kripte i svog ostalog hate-a koji su ljudi imali dek je dogurao do cetiri pobede.

Normalno to ovde ne mora da znaci mnogo. Mnogi od vas, poslednji je bio Drasko sa kojim sam pricao prosle nedelje, rekli su mi isto. Ovde ljudi nemaju karata da sklope pola dekova koji se igraju po svetu. Zato ce ovde uvek biti odstupanja sto se uspeha dekova tice.

I za kraj. Tog je mozda mrtav mozda nije. Ne znam. Ali znam da ce Luka da ga igra jos godinu i po dana.
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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U prevodu: Kod nas je drugachiji metagme nego u svetu (Vidish kako moze da se sve to kaze u jednoj rechenici :twisted: )
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Snake wrote:U prevodu: Kod nas je drugachiji metagme nego u svetu (Vidish kako moze da se sve to kaze u jednoj rechenici :twisted: )
Tehnicki to su dve recenice. :twisted: :twisted:
Extract taken from Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley

"You are too noble to understand." Seth rounded on Dante. "That is not salvation, that is replacement. These new warriors will bear the colours of Flesh Tearers, but without Sanguinius’ fury they will be Flesh Tearers in name only. All my time as Chapter Master I have waged war on our rage, to wrestle it into submission and use its strength to slay our foes. We are fury! From the time of Amit, the savage lord, to this day, we have carried the white heat of Sanguinius’ anger in us. That was our gift and our burden. The flaw is what makes us what we are." He clenched his fist in front of Dante’s face. His voice dropped.
"We are nothing without the struggle against it. He would make us all Ultramarines in red armour." He turned away, his gaze straying down the dead legions of Blood Angels. "There are few of my warriors left, few true Flesh Tearers. Once we are dead, the Flesh Tearers will be no more, no matter that these abominations carry our name. It is a betrayal, not a boon. Guilliman will want us gone quickly, and his own warriors in our stead."
"Gabriel!’"
Seth waved his hand. "Open your eyes, Dante. These Unnumbered Sons, they are Legions in all but name. I have spoken with the newcomers. They are only too glad to tell me of the Avenging Son’s plans. Wherever Guilliman goes, he leaves his men in place. Through the codex, he gave the Adeptus Astartes their independence. He is more than willing to remove it from us. Soon, the Chapters will be free in name only. And these new Space Marines, he has the gall to interfere with the work of the Emperor. If he is willing to do that..." Seth fell silent suddenly.
"What are you suggesting?" said Dante quietly.
Seth mulled his words over, even as his anger tried to force them out of his mouth. He would not speak at rage’s behest, but decided to say them in calmness. They needed to be said. "If he is regent, why not Emperor?"
"What you suggest is treasonous!"
"My words, or his actions?" snarled Seth. He drew himself up to the fullness of his considerable height. "Be careful of him, Lord of Baal. Be very careful." Without waiting for a reply, Seth walked away into the darkness.

Beginning of audio drama Hunger by Andy Smillie

Men crave food. They crave flesh. They crave power. We are not men.

The Emperor's Angels his Space Marines crave honour. They crave retribution. They crave justice. We are not Angels.

We are the blood sons of Sanguinius. We crave only violence, bloodshed. There is no void in the deep of our souls only the hunger. An insatiable call to slaughter.

From the final data logs of Nassir Amit.
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Ja sam nepismen pa je kod mene sve to u jednoj :D
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