WM/H doubles turnir, subota 13. jun, poll
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WM/H doubles turnir, subota 13. jun, poll
Izmene u verziji 2 su obojene ovom bojom.
Ljubitelji WM/H sistema, u subotu 13. juna je planiran sledeci turnir. Format ce biti doubles, sa sledecim pravilima:
1. Character restrictions (1 karakter se moze pojaviti samo u 1 od 4 liste).
2. Caster restriction (ne mozete imati 2 ista kastera u obe liste, kao ni njihove varijante - npr. ne moze jedan da vodi Morhvanu, a drugi epic Morhvanu, niti 1 igrac moze imati jednu listu sa Morhvanom, a drugu sa eMorhvanom).
3. Termin "friendly" ukljucuje i vaseg saigraca, ali termin "faction" ne, osim ako ne igrate istu frakciju.
4. Molim vas da pokusate da nadjete saigraca sledecim redom:
a) isti faction
b) mercs/minions
c) faction sa kojim biste normalno mogli da saradjujete po fluff-u
d) daj-sta-das (uz posebnu napomenu da vam pobeda na ovom turniru ne donosi titulu dominatora intergalaktickih proporcija , tako da vas zaista molim da ovo koristite kao poslednju opciju).
5. Posto je na prethodnom turniru bilo nejasnoca po pitanju sata, da odmah ovo definisem: molim vas da ponesete aplikacije sa satom za sah. Pauziranje ne postoji, osim ukoliko imate potrebu da pozovete sudiju - sto ce reci sledece: ukoliko vas protivnik ima pitanja o vasim modelima, zasto nesto radi tako kako radi, odugovlaci sa svojim bacanjima u vasem krugu (npr. tough roll), isl.: prebacite da curi NJEGOVO vreme. Dakle vase vreme je iskljucivo VASE, a sve potrebe protivnika resavate tokom NJEGOVOG sata.
Mislim da ima dovoljno igraca koji imaju veci broj factiona, tako da racunam da mozemo da se organizujemo za ovako nesto, nadam se i bez opcije 4 d).
Ostaje samo otvoreno pitanje u koliko poena zelite da igrate?
edit: ucesce 200 dinara po igracu za clanove kluba, a ljudi koji nisu clanovi trebaju da plate i redovnu cenu ulaza.
U ovoj temi se mozete i prijavljivati za turnir.
Scenariji koji se igraju:
1. partija: outflank
2. partija: recon
3. partija: incoming
4. partija (ukoliko bude preko 8 timova): two fronts.
Igra se u 25 poena po igracu.
Aktivira se jedan tim, pa drugi tim. Dozvoljeno je da se mesano aktiviraju uniti (malo od igraca broj 1, pa malo od igraca broj 2).
Time limit je 42 minuta po timu. Jos jednom - spremite "sahovske" satove, a pauzu sata koristite samo kada se zove sudija/ Takodje, ako vas protivnicki igrac pita nesto u vasem krugu, prebacite na njegovo vreme. Kada baca tough roll i slicne stvari, takodje prebacite na njegovo vreme, ukoliko smatrate da ima potrebe (mulja kocku 2 minuta po ruci, pa mu kocka padne sa stola dole, pa onda opet mulja 2 minuta kocku,....).
Dozvoljene su tiered liste.
Bice edit u toku dana sta se desava sa jackovima / beastovima kada im umre caster.
edit:
Warlock smrt:
Svi upkeep spellovi prestaju da rade. Svi beastovi postanu wild. Wild beastovi izgube fury. Moraju da trce (mogu 0"). Ako ne mogu da trce onda rade advance bez akcije. Ne mogu da prave akcije, budu force-ovani, advance-uju van svog normalnog movementa, koriste animus, prave napade (ukljucujuci i free strikes i sve ostale napade). Ne dobijaju ARM bonus za shields / bucklers, i nikada ne frenziraju.
Friendly faction model koji ima battlegroup commander special ability, kao sto je warlock, koji zavrsi u base-to-base contactu sa wild warbeastom moze da preuzme kontrolu nad njim. Da bi preuzeo kontrolu mora da forfeit-uje akciju, ali moze da baca spellove, koristi feat i special abilities. Kontrolisani warbeast vise nije wild, ali mora da forfeit-uje aktivaciju i ne moze da se koristi za channel spellova u krugu u kome postane kontrolisan. Warbeast postaje deo battlegroup-e novog controller-a.
Warcaster smrt:
Svi upkeep spellovi prestaju da rade. Svi jackovi postaju inertni. Inertni jack gubi focus koji ima na sebi, ne moze da dobija focus dok je inert, ne moze da se aktivira i nema melee range, ne moze da engage-uje niti da bude engaged, modeli nikada nisu u melee-u sa inert-nim jackom, nema facing, ne moze da advance-uje, ne moze da pravi napade, ne dobija ARM bonus za shield / buckler. Abilities koji se ne mogu koristiti dok je model stacionaran, ne mogu se koristiti dok je jack inert-an. Melee napadi koji target-uju jacka automatski pogadjaju, a ima base DEF 5.
Drugi warcasteri / jack marshalls mogu da reaktiviraju inert-nog jacka.
Inertni warjack se moze reaktivirati od strane friendly faction modela sa battlegroup commander special ability, kao sto su warcasteri ili friendly faction jack marshal koji zavrse movement u base-to-base kontaktu sa jackom. Da bi reaktivirali jacka moraju da forfeit-uju akciju, ali mogu i dalje da bacaju spellove, koriste featove i specijalne abilities. Reaktivirani jack vise nije inertan, ali mora da forfeit-uje aktivaciju i ne moze da se koristi za channel spellova u krugu u kome se reaktivira.
Ako model koji reaktivira jacka ima battlegroup commander rule, warjack postaje deo njegove battlegroup-e.
Ljubitelji WM/H sistema, u subotu 13. juna je planiran sledeci turnir. Format ce biti doubles, sa sledecim pravilima:
1. Character restrictions (1 karakter se moze pojaviti samo u 1 od 4 liste).
2. Caster restriction (ne mozete imati 2 ista kastera u obe liste, kao ni njihove varijante - npr. ne moze jedan da vodi Morhvanu, a drugi epic Morhvanu, niti 1 igrac moze imati jednu listu sa Morhvanom, a drugu sa eMorhvanom).
3. Termin "friendly" ukljucuje i vaseg saigraca, ali termin "faction" ne, osim ako ne igrate istu frakciju.
4. Molim vas da pokusate da nadjete saigraca sledecim redom:
a) isti faction
b) mercs/minions
c) faction sa kojim biste normalno mogli da saradjujete po fluff-u
d) daj-sta-das (uz posebnu napomenu da vam pobeda na ovom turniru ne donosi titulu dominatora intergalaktickih proporcija , tako da vas zaista molim da ovo koristite kao poslednju opciju).
5. Posto je na prethodnom turniru bilo nejasnoca po pitanju sata, da odmah ovo definisem: molim vas da ponesete aplikacije sa satom za sah. Pauziranje ne postoji, osim ukoliko imate potrebu da pozovete sudiju - sto ce reci sledece: ukoliko vas protivnik ima pitanja o vasim modelima, zasto nesto radi tako kako radi, odugovlaci sa svojim bacanjima u vasem krugu (npr. tough roll), isl.: prebacite da curi NJEGOVO vreme. Dakle vase vreme je iskljucivo VASE, a sve potrebe protivnika resavate tokom NJEGOVOG sata.
Mislim da ima dovoljno igraca koji imaju veci broj factiona, tako da racunam da mozemo da se organizujemo za ovako nesto, nadam se i bez opcije 4 d).
Ostaje samo otvoreno pitanje u koliko poena zelite da igrate?
edit: ucesce 200 dinara po igracu za clanove kluba, a ljudi koji nisu clanovi trebaju da plate i redovnu cenu ulaza.
U ovoj temi se mozete i prijavljivati za turnir.
Scenariji koji se igraju:
1. partija: outflank
2. partija: recon
3. partija: incoming
4. partija (ukoliko bude preko 8 timova): two fronts.
Igra se u 25 poena po igracu.
Aktivira se jedan tim, pa drugi tim. Dozvoljeno je da se mesano aktiviraju uniti (malo od igraca broj 1, pa malo od igraca broj 2).
Time limit je 42 minuta po timu. Jos jednom - spremite "sahovske" satove, a pauzu sata koristite samo kada se zove sudija/ Takodje, ako vas protivnicki igrac pita nesto u vasem krugu, prebacite na njegovo vreme. Kada baca tough roll i slicne stvari, takodje prebacite na njegovo vreme, ukoliko smatrate da ima potrebe (mulja kocku 2 minuta po ruci, pa mu kocka padne sa stola dole, pa onda opet mulja 2 minuta kocku,....).
Dozvoljene su tiered liste.
Bice edit u toku dana sta se desava sa jackovima / beastovima kada im umre caster.
edit:
Warlock smrt:
Svi upkeep spellovi prestaju da rade. Svi beastovi postanu wild. Wild beastovi izgube fury. Moraju da trce (mogu 0"). Ako ne mogu da trce onda rade advance bez akcije. Ne mogu da prave akcije, budu force-ovani, advance-uju van svog normalnog movementa, koriste animus, prave napade (ukljucujuci i free strikes i sve ostale napade). Ne dobijaju ARM bonus za shields / bucklers, i nikada ne frenziraju.
Friendly faction model koji ima battlegroup commander special ability, kao sto je warlock, koji zavrsi u base-to-base contactu sa wild warbeastom moze da preuzme kontrolu nad njim. Da bi preuzeo kontrolu mora da forfeit-uje akciju, ali moze da baca spellove, koristi feat i special abilities. Kontrolisani warbeast vise nije wild, ali mora da forfeit-uje aktivaciju i ne moze da se koristi za channel spellova u krugu u kome postane kontrolisan. Warbeast postaje deo battlegroup-e novog controller-a.
Warcaster smrt:
Svi upkeep spellovi prestaju da rade. Svi jackovi postaju inertni. Inertni jack gubi focus koji ima na sebi, ne moze da dobija focus dok je inert, ne moze da se aktivira i nema melee range, ne moze da engage-uje niti da bude engaged, modeli nikada nisu u melee-u sa inert-nim jackom, nema facing, ne moze da advance-uje, ne moze da pravi napade, ne dobija ARM bonus za shield / buckler. Abilities koji se ne mogu koristiti dok je model stacionaran, ne mogu se koristiti dok je jack inert-an. Melee napadi koji target-uju jacka automatski pogadjaju, a ima base DEF 5.
Drugi warcasteri / jack marshalls mogu da reaktiviraju inert-nog jacka.
Inertni warjack se moze reaktivirati od strane friendly faction modela sa battlegroup commander special ability, kao sto su warcasteri ili friendly faction jack marshal koji zavrse movement u base-to-base kontaktu sa jackom. Da bi reaktivirali jacka moraju da forfeit-uju akciju, ali mogu i dalje da bacaju spellove, koriste featove i specijalne abilities. Reaktivirani jack vise nije inertan, ali mora da forfeit-uje aktivaciju i ne moze da se koristi za channel spellova u krugu u kome se reaktivira.
Ako model koji reaktivira jacka ima battlegroup commander rule, warjack postaje deo njegove battlegroup-e.
Last edited by Dzon Vejn on Fri May 01, 2015 12:59 am, edited 7 times in total.
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I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Prijava, posedujem samo Orboros, glasam za 50 poena.
Prijavljeni igraci i timovi:
Timovi:
Sunka i Kosanovic - Merc / Menoth
Rick i Nemanja - Legion / Minions
Histericni i Deka - Cygnar / Khador
Igraci:
Nenad - Orboros (ako Vilena bude raspolozena da proba, igracu sa njom u timu)
Milos? - Minions prasici
Srdajn? - Orboros? / Khador?
Nikica - Cryx
Prijavljeni igraci i timovi:
Timovi:
Sunka i Kosanovic - Merc / Menoth
Rick i Nemanja - Legion / Minions
Histericni i Deka - Cygnar / Khador
Igraci:
Nenad - Orboros (ako Vilena bude raspolozena da proba, igracu sa njom u timu)
Milos? - Minions prasici
Srdajn? - Orboros? / Khador?
Nikica - Cryx
Last edited by Dzon Vejn on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:31 pm, edited 11 times in total.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Jel moze samo pojasnjenje sta znaci doubles?
I myself am a self-proclaimed expert, if I do say so myself.
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Parovi. Ti i jos jedan protiv druga 2 igraca.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
I jos jedno pojasnjenje za mene jel ovo glasanje poentaza po igraci ili po timu?
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Po igracu.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ja sam nacelno zainteresovan. Medjutim ovoliko ranije ne mogu znati da li cu te subote morati da radim ili ne. Prasici su jedina opcija posto ona saka kriksa koju imam nije ni sastavljena
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
1.znaci to je , ako sam dobro razumeo, na primer na 50 poena, ukupno 100 poena sa jedne strane, i 100 poena sa druge strane, po dva kastera sa svake strane i 60 minuta po strani po partiji? Mislim da je to neizvodljivo na toj poentazi. 25 i 35 su isto nategnute. to Sto imas dva coveka ti zapravo ODMAZE, a ne pomaze, jer svako pomera svoje modele, koji mogu biti na razlicitim krajevima table itd.
2. Kako vaze restrikcije, po igracu, ili po paru? Jer ovako, kako je napisano, izgleda da je po igracu, sto je isto kao da nema restrikcija. Da pojasnim : Na primer, sunka i ja se uparimo da igramo mercove zajedno. Ja u listi 1 imam gormana, u listi 2 nemam, jer ne mogu. On u listi 1 ima gormana, u listi 2 ga nema jer ne moze.
Nase liste sparimo 1+2 i 2+1 i imamo gormana u svakoj partiji. Ili sam ja nesto pogresno razumeo?
2. Kako vaze restrikcije, po igracu, ili po paru? Jer ovako, kako je napisano, izgleda da je po igracu, sto je isto kao da nema restrikcija. Da pojasnim : Na primer, sunka i ja se uparimo da igramo mercove zajedno. Ja u listi 1 imam gormana, u listi 2 nemam, jer ne mogu. On u listi 1 ima gormana, u listi 2 ga nema jer ne moze.
Nase liste sparimo 1+2 i 2+1 i imamo gormana u svakoj partiji. Ili sam ja nesto pogresno razumeo?
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Doubles turnir zvuči kul načelno ali definitivno minimalno poena sa maksimalno vremena za partiju! Dva igrača jako komplikuju stvari...
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Sto se mene tice - meni je sve ok, bitno je da se ljudi zabave i da se igraju. Mozemo da povecamo vreme koliko vec zelite da se poveca. Npr. kao prva veca kategorija ako to zvuci razumno? Posto sumnjam da cemo imati preko 8 timova, racunam da ce nam 3 partije biti dovoljno. To bi znacilo da imamo prostor da povecamo death clock ukoliko to zelite.
Da, Dule je u pravu, ogranicenje se odnosi na tim, a ne na pojedinca. Isto kao i kasteri.
Ukoliko se izglasa npr. 25 poena, poentaza je 25+25 poena protiv 25+25 poena.
Da, Dule je u pravu, ogranicenje se odnosi na tim, a ne na pojedinca. Isto kao i kasteri.
Ukoliko se izglasa npr. 25 poena, poentaza je 25+25 poena protiv 25+25 poena.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Bilo koja konbinacija u parovima preko 25 ponea po coveku je besmislena i preteska za igranje. Jednom smo igrali 35 poena po coveku i krkljanac je na tabli. Tako da moj glas ide 25 poena. Drugo mislim da se teba uparivati u frakciji eventualno sa mercovima koji rade za tu frakciju. Tipa Cygnar i Highborn. Sve ostalo pravi takve sulude vektore da je to grozno. U svakom slucaju trazim saborca, po mogucnosti u plavim uniformama sa labudom, da veruju u Morova i munje i barut.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Kao sto su gospoda Shunka i Histericni rekli, minimalno poena sa maksimalno vremena i uparivanje u okviru frakcije, eventualno sa merkovima/minjonima.
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
I think two 25 lists are the way to go but games might be shorter than you think with the game more about which pairing can best exploit the double feat turn and cripple the opponents beyond the point of coming back.
Personally I am pro-fluff and tier list play so having legal combinations is my preferred option. It is therefore a shame if two merc players join up as you guys can enable pairing options with other warmachine factions.
One of the questions is - do we allow tier lists? I would say yes, however starting with spell upkeeps in place can only be on friendly faction and any bonus to initiative dice are only applied if both players have a tier and both tiers offer the initiative bonus.
I would also suggest that OUTFLANK is the single scenario for the entire event.
Personally I am pro-fluff and tier list play so having legal combinations is my preferred option. It is therefore a shame if two merc players join up as you guys can enable pairing options with other warmachine factions.
One of the questions is - do we allow tier lists? I would say yes, however starting with spell upkeeps in place can only be on friendly faction and any bonus to initiative dice are only applied if both players have a tier and both tiers offer the initiative bonus.
I would also suggest that OUTFLANK is the single scenario for the entire event.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ja bih igrao bilo sta, najbolje Orboros ili Khador sa nekim, ako mi nadjete figure. :D Orboros sam tek juce uzeo, treba da ga zafarbam. Slazem se za sto manju poentazu i sto vise vremena.
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Prilicno je ocigledno da ce biti 25 poena u pitanju, posto je ogromna vecina ljudi glasala za tu opciju .
OK mi zvuci da imamo tier lists.
Scenariji ce se sigurno koristiti, iz steamroller 2015 ruleset-a, a otvoren sam za predloge. Licno, ja preferiram scenarije koji imaju control zones, tako da mi je sasvim ok da makar jedan scenario bude outflank. Ipak, licno, savetovao bih da budu razliciti scenariji, kako bismo izbegli situaciju da se liste prilagodjavaju tom jednom jedinom scenariju. Ako niko ne predlozi neke konkretne scenarije, izabracu randomly ostale scenarije. Ako vecina ljudi zeli da igra samo outflank, mozemo i samo njega da igramo.
Takodje, koristice se oni specijalni objektivi iz steamroller 2015 ruleset-a, posto mi se cine kao zabavni, a mislim da ne remete balans previse.
@Stef: Pa da, to mi jeste neka ideja, ali ne bih voleo da neko "izvisi" zato sto ne moze da se upari (npr samo Nikola ima skorne armiju... onda on mora sa minionima da igra, a to onda znaci da prvi sledeci "solo" igrac nema partnera jer minione mislim da ima samo Sunka). U svakom slucaju - ideja jeste da se igra u okviru frakcije, ali ako bas ne moze da se uklopi, necu da sprecim ljude da se igraju zato sto nemaju uparenog saigraca.
OK mi zvuci da imamo tier lists.
Scenariji ce se sigurno koristiti, iz steamroller 2015 ruleset-a, a otvoren sam za predloge. Licno, ja preferiram scenarije koji imaju control zones, tako da mi je sasvim ok da makar jedan scenario bude outflank. Ipak, licno, savetovao bih da budu razliciti scenariji, kako bismo izbegli situaciju da se liste prilagodjavaju tom jednom jedinom scenariju. Ako niko ne predlozi neke konkretne scenarije, izabracu randomly ostale scenarije. Ako vecina ljudi zeli da igra samo outflank, mozemo i samo njega da igramo.
Takodje, koristice se oni specijalni objektivi iz steamroller 2015 ruleset-a, posto mi se cine kao zabavni, a mislim da ne remete balans previse.
@Stef: Pa da, to mi jeste neka ideja, ali ne bih voleo da neko "izvisi" zato sto ne moze da se upari (npr samo Nikola ima skorne armiju... onda on mora sa minionima da igra, a to onda znaci da prvi sledeci "solo" igrac nema partnera jer minione mislim da ima samo Sunka). U svakom slucaju - ideja jeste da se igra u okviru frakcije, ali ako bas ne moze da se uklopi, necu da sprecim ljude da se igraju zato sto nemaju uparenog saigraca.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ima Milosh prasice. Eto para.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Jasta N, nisam ni mislio da bilo ko izvisi jer nema "prirodnog" saveznika.
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Pa upravo to - zato sam i naveo onaj redosled. Nadacu se da ce svi pokusati da se upare tako, i da ovo shvate kao zabavni event, a ne poziv na globalnu dominaciju .
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ako pomeris za nedelju dana ranije - zainteresovan
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Rick & Miroslav (Everblight & Bodiless Dragon worshipping Minions)
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Da se javim i ja, kao neko ko je odigrao nekoliko tag-team partija. Sve preko 25 poena je put u ludilo, iz razloga sto se otvaraju mogucnosti za zaista neverovatno mocne kombinacije. S druge strane, postoji jos jedan veoma vazan faktor koji mi se cini da nije pomenut (ili mozda gresim): redosled igranja igraca. Konkretno, moguca su tri slucaja.
1) Svaki tim igra naizmenicno, uz dozvoljeno preplitanje aktivacija: ovo znaci da u jednom potezu, oba igraca iz jednog tima moraju da aktiviraju sve svoje figure, ali potpuno proizvoljnim redosledom. To bi znacilo da ja mogu da aktiviram jedan svoj model/unit, zatim protivnik uradi to isto, ja aktiviram jos dva modela/jedinice, protivnik svoj Warcaster/Warlock model i tako sve dok ne aktiviramo sve modele. Aktivirani modeli se mogu obeleziti odgovarajucim markerom.
2) Svaki tim igra naizmenicno, bez preplitanja aktivacija: u ovom slucjau, oba igraca iz jednog tima aktiviraju sve svoje figure, ali tako da prvo jedan od njih aktivira sve svoje modele, a zatim drugi igrac uradi to isto - nema preplitanja aktivacija.
3) Igraci igraju naizmenicno: u ovoj varijanti, igra prvo igrac 1 iz tima 1, zatim igrac 1 iz tima 2, pa igrac 2 iz tima 1, pa igrac 2 iz tima 2.
Svaka od ove tri mogucnosti drasticno utice na kombinacije modela, magija i feat-ova.
1) Svaki tim igra naizmenicno, uz dozvoljeno preplitanje aktivacija: ovo znaci da u jednom potezu, oba igraca iz jednog tima moraju da aktiviraju sve svoje figure, ali potpuno proizvoljnim redosledom. To bi znacilo da ja mogu da aktiviram jedan svoj model/unit, zatim protivnik uradi to isto, ja aktiviram jos dva modela/jedinice, protivnik svoj Warcaster/Warlock model i tako sve dok ne aktiviramo sve modele. Aktivirani modeli se mogu obeleziti odgovarajucim markerom.
2) Svaki tim igra naizmenicno, bez preplitanja aktivacija: u ovom slucjau, oba igraca iz jednog tima aktiviraju sve svoje figure, ali tako da prvo jedan od njih aktivira sve svoje modele, a zatim drugi igrac uradi to isto - nema preplitanja aktivacija.
3) Igraci igraju naizmenicno: u ovoj varijanti, igra prvo igrac 1 iz tima 1, zatim igrac 1 iz tima 2, pa igrac 2 iz tima 1, pa igrac 2 iz tima 2.
Svaka od ove tri mogucnosti drasticno utice na kombinacije modela, magija i feat-ova.
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
E ja imam potpuno suprotno mišljenje što se fakcija parova tiče - ja sam za to da mogu da se upare bilo koje dve fakcije.
Prvo, zato što mislim da igrači jedino sebi treba da pravdaju fluffyness svoje armije, a ko je kreativan smisliće priču za bilo šta što poželi, ili će se držati očiglednih kombinacija.
Drugo, ako želite da ograničite ljude samo na fakciju+mercove/minione, onda ruling treba da glasi da oba igrača prave jednu armiju sa dva castera unutar iste fakcije. To uključuje i merc/minion castere koji rade za fakciju. Sorscha sa 25 poena Khadoranaca + Magnus sa 25 poena mercova koji rade za Khador je legalna Khador armija.
Mada na kraju dana štagod odlučite meni svejedno.
Prijavljujem se zajedno sa curom, oboje ćemo igramo Khador.
Prvo, zato što mislim da igrači jedino sebi treba da pravdaju fluffyness svoje armije, a ko je kreativan smisliće priču za bilo šta što poželi, ili će se držati očiglednih kombinacija.
Drugo, ako želite da ograničite ljude samo na fakciju+mercove/minione, onda ruling treba da glasi da oba igrača prave jednu armiju sa dva castera unutar iste fakcije. To uključuje i merc/minion castere koji rade za fakciju. Sorscha sa 25 poena Khadoranaca + Magnus sa 25 poena mercova koji rade za Khador je legalna Khador armija.
Mada na kraju dana štagod odlučite meni svejedno.
Prijavljujem se zajedno sa curom, oboje ćemo igramo Khador.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
@Laza:
Ili: igra jedan tim, pa drugi tim. Sto ce reci da oba igraca u timu mogu paralelno da aktiviraju svoje modele ukoliko zele, ili mogu da cekaju jedan drugog (u kom slucaju trose vise vremena).
Ili: igra jedan tim, pa drugi tim. Sto ce reci da oba igraca u timu mogu paralelno da aktiviraju svoje modele ukoliko zele, ili mogu da cekaju jedan drugog (u kom slucaju trose vise vremena).
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Pa to je zapravo bila moja opcija pod 1. Imajte na umu da to moze da dovede do stvaranja Rambo modela, ili da vrlo brzo zavrsi partiju. pDeneghra koja koristi feat i cripple grasp, a zatim pusti eLilyth da upuca sve zivo i na kraju posalje bile/bane jedinice da pociste ostatak je krajnje nehumana kombinacija. Koja moze da okonca partiju vrlo brzo.Dzon Vejn wrote:@Laza:
Ili: igra jedan tim, pa drugi tim. Sto ce reci da oba igraca u timu mogu paralelno da aktiviraju svoje modele ukoliko zele, ili mogu da cekaju jedan drugog (u kom slucaju trose vise vremena).
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Siguran sam da sa bilo kojom opcijom ruleseta postoji veliki broj mega-giga-combo-a . Siguran sam i da koliko god pokusavali, necemo napraviti "idealan" balans, i da ce uvek biti nesto sto je "jako dobro". Zato se i trudim da ovi turniri koji nisu deo mastersa, budu orijentisani ka zabavi, a ne ka takmicarskom delu .
Trudicu se da uslisim zahteve igraca, ali vise u smeru:
"Zelimo scenarije" - budu scenariji (ne svi outflank).
"Zelimo tier-ed liste" - budu tier liste (bez dodatnih ogranicenja).
"Zelimo malu poentazu i vise vremena" - bude mala poentaza i vise vremena (bez nekih dodatnih specijalnih ogranicenja).
Iskustvo iz drugih sistema govori da ljude generalno smara kada trebaju da procitaju 20 strana pod-pravila da bi se igrali na nekom event-u. Tako je bilo i sa summer rampage - 90% ljudi nije ni procitalo sta im sve donosi poene, a barem 50% nije ni pokusavalo da ostvari poene, vise su dosli da se igraju zabave radi .
Trudicu se da uslisim zahteve igraca, ali vise u smeru:
"Zelimo scenarije" - budu scenariji (ne svi outflank).
"Zelimo tier-ed liste" - budu tier liste (bez dodatnih ogranicenja).
"Zelimo malu poentazu i vise vremena" - bude mala poentaza i vise vremena (bez nekih dodatnih specijalnih ogranicenja).
Iskustvo iz drugih sistema govori da ljude generalno smara kada trebaju da procitaju 20 strana pod-pravila da bi se igrali na nekom event-u. Tako je bilo i sa summer rampage - 90% ljudi nije ni procitalo sta im sve donosi poene, a barem 50% nije ni pokusavalo da ostvari poene, vise su dosli da se igraju zabave radi .
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
That is why it should be simplified.Dzon Vejn wrote:Iskustvo iz drugih sistema govori da ljude generalno smara kada trebaju da procitaju 20 strana pod-pravila da bi se igrali na nekom event-u.
Again - take it or leave it but in this format, the format it self is the fun part. In most cases it is the ridiculous combos that are more interesting than anything else. I suggest just one scenario to simplify things so players can focus on the whole 2 warnouns thing. The game will be won on a combo that kills one caster or so much of the army that there is no coming back and the other caster or team cannot retaliate sufficiently. The scenario will be there to stop out and out gun lines just standing back and waiting for the opponent to come to them. Nobody would like to play against pHaley/Kara sloan or something like that. And so a nice easy - "you must at least make some attempt to come forward or lose" scenario is necessary just to stop that crap.
Scenarios like destruction cause other problems
Jonny and Jimmy play eKruegar, edenny and go second. They keep relatively tight and on the second turn eKruegar feats and pushes everybody back out of the zone. Then edenny feats and locks everybody in place. They both enter the zone - dominating and get 6-8 control points completely unhindered. That would be possible with Gorton/eMagnus, Grim Angus with Janissa and whoever and probably several others.
Keep it simple and let the crazy assassination combos be what it is all about.
Miroslav - it has to be team one, team two, team one, team two otherwise you need to start adding in unbound rules changes based on what lasts a turn and what lasts a round etc
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Stef i ja, crni Markus i crna Fiona.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ima li jos neko da igra Cryx sem Nemanje koji je zauzet?
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Couple of players rocking 4 star.... And you do like souls.....Resurrection wrote:Ima li jos neko da igra Cryx sem Nemanje koji je zauzet?
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ljuba, mlađi brat od Riđeg beše igra Cryx, ali nešto ga nisam video u proteklih godinu dana... Vidi ako Dule hoće da ti se pridruži kao Merc.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Luka (AKA Ljuba) studira fiziku i, po svoj prilici, necemo ga vidjati jos par godina zbog "kuca-fax, fax-kuca". Vidim ga ja povremeno u gradu / prevozu, pa se raspitam .
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
On je pokojan. Uzmi Duleta Nikice, taman da ne msilimo ko ce da pobedi i da se na miru igramo.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
E vidiš mislio sam se da li je Luka ili nije, Ljuba je beše onda Slayerov mlađi brat...
Edit: ae što brkam kako se zove čovek, nego sam shvatio da mu ne znam ni nick na forumu!
Edit: ae što brkam kako se zove čovek, nego sam shvatio da mu ne znam ni nick na forumu!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Luka je mladji brat Marka (AKA Ridji). Luka1994 na forumu.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Nego Nenade kako si zamislio da se resava situacija kada jedan od kastera umere? Jackovi postanu teren ili nastave da igraju kao samostalni? Ili pola armije postane teren?
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Nisam poneo danas ipad na posao, pa ne mogu da proverim sta kazu pravila, ali znam 100% da postoji pravilo koje objasnjava sta se desava sa jackovima / beastovima kada im umre caster.
Ako umru oba castera to je game-over naravno.
Ako umru oba castera to je game-over naravno.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Kada kaster umre jackovi se ugase ,a zveri podivljaju sta li vec. Postoji opcija da postanu autonomni. U principu da se setaju po tabli i koriste inicijalne napade. Ja sam hteo da te pitam, a ti me nisi razumeo koju ces od ove dve opcije izbrati. Da jackovi/zveri postanu nebitni ili da nastave da trckaju okolo.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Ima i treca opcija da ih marshal opet pokrene. Pod uslovom da imas marshala.
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Re: WM/H doubles turnir, subota 6. jun, poll
Stvarno nisam citao za jackove kako rade (izuzev toga da znam da marshall moze da ih preuzme). Beastovi ne podivljaju nego postanu wild, to znam . Ne znam sta je tacno wild . Ajde kad dodjem veceras kuci, procitacu kako se tacno zove to pravilo pa cu dodati u rulespack na 1. postu na 1. strani.
Usput - upravo sam azurirao taj post.
Usput - upravo sam azurirao taj post.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!