WM/H turnir - 14.3.2015, poll

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Kakav turnir zelite

Summer Rampage
10
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Sa istim pravilima kao za master qualifier
2
13%
35 poena, povecana satnica na 50+5 deathclock. 2 castera, mozete duplirati sve po listama, ne morate igrati drugu listu. Ista frakcija na obe liste.
3
20%
 
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WM/H turnir - 14.3.2015, poll

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Pricao sam danas sa Duletom i prvi slobodni termin nam je 14.3., dotle su svi vikendi vec rezervisani.

Glasajte kakav turnir zelite, igramo ono sto vecina zeli da igra. Ispod su pravila za Summer Rampage ukoliko budete zeleli takav format.

Kako u klubu vec igramo ligu za ucenje pravila, vidim da se igra solidan broj partija za vezbanje za masters qualifiers, onda bih ovde zeleo da organizujem nesto sto je malo vise casual i fun based turnir. Shodno tome organizovao bih sledeci event (varijacija Summer Rampage formata):

Osnovna pravila
- 4 runde,
- 50 minuta deathclock (ukljucujuci i vreme za postavku),
- svaki igrac ima po 5 minuta pre partije za postavljanje svih pitanja o svemu sto vas zanima o protivnickoj vojsci,
- sve partije se igraju na 1 isti scenario (dole procitajte koji)
- pobednik je onaj igrac koji skupi najvise poena, a svaku stavku mozete ostvariti samo jednom (dole)
- ucesce na turniru je 200 dinara (vodite racuna da ako niste clan kluba morate platiti i ulaz za dnevno igranje, koji iznosi 200 dinara, ili mesecnu clanarinu koja iznosi 500 dinara, ili godisnju clanarinu). Sav novac od ucesca ulazi u fond za kupovinu klubskog boxa / 2 player boxa, koji ce stajati u klubu na raspolaganju eventualnim novim igracima koji zele da probaju igru. U tom fondu vec postoji neki novac od learning camp lige. Ukoliko ne zelite da ucestvujete na ovom turniru, a zelite da donirate novac, donacija ce biti vrlo rado prihvacena.

Neparan broj igraca:
U slucaju neparnog broja igraca, ja necu igrati.

Otkazivanje eventa:
Se nece dogoditi. Posto jos nisam evolvirao na dovoljno visok nivo da igram sam sa sobom :), jedini nacin da se turnir otkaze jeste da ostanem jedini prijavljeni za isti.

Format armije:
- 35 poena, mora biti ista frakcija. Svaku partiju mozete promeniti sastav armije i/ili castera.
- Na svakih 10 poena jack/beast modela, mozete uzeti up to 5 poena warrior modela.

Stavke koje donose poene:
• Masterpiece – Play with a fully painted army (2 pts)
• Epic Duel – Warcaster/warlock under your control destroys one or more enemy warcasters/warlocks with an attack (2 pts)
• Recon – A warcaster/warlock under your control enters your opponent’s deployment zone (2 pts)
• Massacre – Destroy ten of your opponent’s models in one turn (2 pts)
• Endangered Species – All your opponent’s warbeasts/warjacks are destroyed or removed from play by the end of the game (2 pts)
• Genocide – All your opponent’s trooper models are destroyed or removed from play by the end of the game (2 pts)
• Safari – A warcaster/warlock under your control destroys one or more enemy warbeasts/warjacks with a melee attack (2 pts)
• Arcane Might - A warcaster/warlock under your control destroys one or more enemy warbeasts/warbeasts with an offensive spell (2 pts)
• Old School – Play with only a battlegroup (2 pts)
• The Bigger They Are – A warjack/warbeast under your control destroys one or more models on a huge base (2 pts)
• The Harder They Hit – A huge-based model under your control destroys one or more warlocks/warcasters or warbeasts/warjacks (2 pts)
• Theme Machine – Play a game with a Tier 4 Theme Force (1 pt)
• Blitz – End a game with no friendly models remaining on your half of the table (1 pt)
• Clean Sweep – End a game with no enemy models remaining on your half of the table (1 pt)
• Victory – Win a game (1 pt) (ovu stavku mozete ostvariti vise puta - to je jedina stavka koja se moze ostvariti vise puta)

Warjack destruction Finishing moves
When a warjack or warbeast destroys a warjack, its controller may choose to make one of the following finishing moves:
• Cortex Crusher (1 pt) – The attacker destroys its victim with a brutal blow and sends a deadly shockwave back to its controller through the severed link between the battlegroup. The controlling warcaster of a warjack destroyed with a Cortex Crusher finishing move suffers d3 damage.
• Depressurizer (1 pt) – Tearing into the warjack’s boiler, the attacker directs a blast of steam at nearby targets. After placing a warjack wreck marker, the attacker can immediately make a ranged attack if it is not engaged. This attack is a RNG SP 6 and POW 10 and is Damage Type: Fire.
• Heck of a Hat (1 pt) – The attacker violently rips pipes and mechanika from the warjack’s hull with a teeth-shattering screech of metal... and then proudly wears the remnants as a hat. The attacker gains +1 ARM for one round.
• Just A Bit Outside (1 pt) – The attacker rips the head off an enemy warjack and throws it at an enemy model. After placing a warjack wreck marker, the attacker can immediately make a ranged attack if it is not engaged. This attack is a RNG 8, POW 0 ranged attack with the Thrown ability. (Add a model’s STR to the POW of its ranged attack with a thrown weapon.)
• Disastrous Detonation (1 pt) – The warjack detonates with explosive force. Before replacing the destroyed warjack with a
wreck marker, all models within 1 ̋ of the warjack other than the model performing the Disastrous Detonation are pushed d3" directly away from the destroyed warjack.

WarBeast destruction Finishing moves
When a warjack or warbeast destroys an enemy warbeast, its controller can choose to make one of the following finishing moves:
• A Leg Up (1 pt) – The attacking model rips a leg off its victim and uses it to smash other foes. The improvised weapon is an additional melee weapon with POW 3 (so P+S equal to STR+3) with Reach. The model can immediately make one attack with this weapon without spending focus or being forced. A Leg Up lasts for one turn.
• Crushed Spirit (1 pt) – The warbeast’s death is so brutal that it can have a violent effect on the creature’s controlling warlock. If a model makes a Crushed Spirit finishing move, an enemy warlock that reaves fury points from the destroyed warbeast suffers 1 point of damage per fury point reaved.
• Meat Shield (1 pt) – The attacker holds up the warbeast’s dead carcass and uses it as a meat shield. The attacker gains +2 ARM against damage that does not originate in its back arc. Meat Shield lasts for one round.
• Skull Crusher (1 pt) – With a sickening pop, the warbeast explodes in a tide of blood and gore. Before removing the destroyed warbeast from play, all models within 1 ̋ of the warbeast other than the model performing the Skull Crusher are knocked down.
• Gut Punch (1 pt) – The attacker pummels the warbeast so hard its stomach erupts, spewing caustic bile from the gaping wound. Before removing the destroyed warbeast from play, all models within 1 ̋ of the warbeast other than the warjack performing the Gut Punch suffer Continuous Effect: Corrosion.

Rampages:
Rampages are maneuvers that can be utilized by a warjack or warbeast during a game. A player can use one rampage per
turn. When a model triggers a rampage, its controller can choose whether to use the rampage. If a model triggers multiple rampages, its controller decides which rampage to use for the turn.
• Berserker (1 pt) – This rampage is triggered when a warjack/warbeast performs two finishing moves in the same game. When this rampage is used, this model and friendly warjacks/warbeasts within 8 ̋ gain Berserk for the remainder of the game. When a model with Berserk destroys one or more models with a melee attack during its combat action, immediately after the attack is resolved it must make one additional melee attack against another model in its melee range.
• Hit ’Em Again (2 pts) – This rampage is triggered when a warjack/warbeast destroys three or more enemy models with a
single power attack and/or collateral damage from that power attack. When this rampage is used, this warjack/warbeast can immediately charge an enemy model without spending focus or being forced and gains boosted melee attack rolls this turn. The warjack/warbeast can charge without spending focus or being forced the rest of the game.
• Kill the Head (2 pts) – This rampage is triggered when a single warjack/warbeast destroys two or more character
models in a single game. When this rampage is used, this warjack/warbeast immediately makes a full advance. Then this warjack gains up to 3 focus points, or this warbeast discards up to 3 fury points.
• Mayhem (2 pts) – This rampage is triggered when a warjack/warbeast destroys five or more enemy models
during a single activation. This model can make one additional melee attack with each of its melee weapons each
activation (including this one) for the rest of the game.
• Tag Team (3 pts) – When an enemy warjack/warbeast is destroyed by a friendly warjack/warbeast while in a headlock/weapon lock from another friendly warjack/warbeast, the warjack/warbeast making the lock and the one
that destroyed the locked foe both gain an additional activation at the end of the turn. During the additional activation, the warjacks/warbeasts gain boosted attack and damage rolls.

Scenario:
Relic Raid
Summary: Two enemy forces cross paths while transporting ancient and powerful relics from a nearby ruin. The only way
to establish battlefield supremacy is via the destruction of the enemy artifact!
Special Rules
Each player begins with a 50 mm objective placed in his deployment zone in accordance with the diagram below. These are the relics. Each player treats the relic placed in his deployment zone as a non-warrior friendly faction model. When a player destroys the enemy relic, all warjacks/warbeasts in his army gain boosted attack and damage rolls for the remainder of the game.
Victory Conditions
A player with the last remaining warcaster or warlock immediately wins the game.
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Tie Breaker:
Ukoliko se dogodi da nakon 4 runde vise igraca imaju isti broj poena, tie breaker ce biti broj ostvarenih pobeda. Ukoliko je i broj ostvarenih pobeda isti, sledeci tie breaker je vreme koje nisu iskoristili tokom svih partija. U neverovatnom slucaju da je i to isto, sledeci tie breaker je roll of a die.

Pocasni nazivi, koje mozete koristiti do sledeceg ovakvog turnira, se ostvaruju za sledece:
• Dominator – The player with the most points by the end of the event will be declared the Dominator.
• Arcane Mechanik – The WARMACHINE player with the most points by the end of the event who is not the Dominator will be declared the Arcane Mechanik.
• Beast Handler – The HORDES player with the most points by the end of the event who is not the Dominator will be
declared the Beast Handler.
• Artisan – The player with the best painted army will be declared the Artisan.
• Rampager – The first player to perform all five rampages will win the Rampager award.

Satnica (u dogovoru sa Duletom, mozda pomerimo celu satnicu za pola sata ranije, ili sat ranije - ovo ce biti regulisano u narednih dan-dva-tri):
12:00-12:30 okupljanje
12:30-14:20 prva partija
14:30-15:00 pauza za rucak
15:00-16:50 druga partija
17:00-18:50 treca partija
19:00-20:50 cetvrta partija
21:00 proglasenje pocasnih naziva

Radi lakseg pracenja sta je ostvareno od poena, napravicu scoresheet koji ce biti naknadno nakecen ovde
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Pitanja tokom partije
Vodite racuna da kada postavljate pitanja tokom partije, vama curi vreme, a ne protivniku. Pametno iskoristite onih 5 minuta pre parije! Bilo bi lepo da posedujete knjigu pravila ili war room aplikaciju, koja ima lep reference u kome sve mozete procitati.

Pitanja o pravilima
Vodite racuna da kada postavljate pitanje o pravilima, onaj ko postavlja pitanje, tj. onaj koji ne zna kako radi neki efekat / neko pravilo, trosi svoje vreme, a ne protivnicko. Pametno iskoristite mesec dana do turnira, da procitate svoja pravila! Bilo bi lepo da posedujete knjigu pravila ili war room aplikaciju, koja ima lep reference u kome sve mozete procitati.

Istek vremena
Ukoliko vam istekne deathclock vreme, izgubili ste partiju. Neophodno je da obezbedite pouzdan nacin merenja vremena. Ukoliko imate ipad / tablet / smartphone, skinite odgovarajuce aplikacije (war room ima taj mehanizam npr.). Ukoliko iz bilo kog razloga ne mozete da nastavite da merite vreme, izgubili ste partiju. Ukoliko nemate nista od navedenih uredjaja, nabavite sahovski sat ili vec neki drugi nacin za merenje vremena.

Pitanja, komentari i prijave?
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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Prijave:
1. Nenad (Orboros) - u slucaju neparnog broja igraca, ja necu igrati
2. Sunka (Mercenaries)
3. Deka (Khador)
4. Nemanja (Cryx)
5. Histerikus Historikus? (Cygnar)
6. Moma (Menoth)
7. Mikaan (Mercenaries)
8. Djole Bjelajac (Trolovi ili elfovi)
9. Nikola Nikolic (Skorne)
10. Dalibor (Cygnar?)
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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Prijava, Mercenaries.
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Ajde ovako, sa obzirom na broj licnih poruka koje sam dobio, i kolicine ljudi kojima se ovo cini prekomplikovano, dodajem poll, pa glasajte sta zelite da igrate. Meni se ovo cinilo kao zabavno i ne previse komplikovano, ali ako ostali ne dele moje misljenje, onda da se prilagodimo vecini. Mozda ovaj format iskoristim za sledecu ligu ili tako nesto ako ne zelite da igrate ovakav turnir.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Jos jedna od opcija koja se pokazala kao mogucnost jeste da ovo bude WM/H event day. Na kome bi neki igrali turnir (po kojim god pravilima izglasate), neki velike partije (50/75 poena), neki demo partije, i mozda bude organizovan i neki veci popust na figure tog dana.

U svakom slucaju, kad budem imao vise informacija o svemu - obavesticu vas.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ajd' i ja sas moji Khador-ani da se prijavim ,valjda neće da iskrsne ništa ne predviđeno...
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Ajd' da ne preterujemo sa velikim poentazama, jer od toga moze da boli glava. 35 poena je sasvim OK. I ja se prijavljujem - ali cu tek kasnije znati da li sam sigurno slobodan taj vikend. Trolovi ili Legion of Everblight.
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Prijava Khador glasao za opciju 1.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Prijava - Cryx.. da malo Venetrah kida zveri ;)... ako fejluje onda one njega.
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Ovako ja bih ovo vrlo rado igrao, tako da prijava sa moje strane. Videcu ko ce igrati od kastera. Nenade, rezultat je jasan, zimsko letnje divljane.
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A good event for Menoth/Cyriss & Hordes to play. Be nice to see Khador, Cryx and Cgnar having to run 3 jacks and only 1 unit. Should get some fresh casters out on the battlefield.
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Ja palniram 3 jacka, mozda cak i cetiri, jednu jedinicu i dva soloa. Ako stigne kapetnica Sloun, tim bolje.
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Nevermind
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Prijava - Mercs
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Ja mislim da je ovo odlican trenutak da se izvedu Gargantuani i Kolosali!
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Ako budem slobodan taj vikend, racunajte i na mene.
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Boris (Khador ili Menoth). Inače nije mi jasno kako računamo armijske poene. Šta to znači -Na svakih 10 poena jack/beast modela, mozete uzeti up to 5 poena warrior modela? Odnosno da li se u njih računaju kasterovi poeni ?
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@Boris: Pa bas to sto kaze - npr. uzeo si 29 poena jackova / beastova, to znaci da mozes da uzmes up to 10 poena (2*5 = 10) warrior modela, do limita koji imas (35 poena + koliko ti caster dodaje). Npr. Orboros Kromac daje +4 poena - znaci mogu da uzmem npr. 29 poena beastova i 10 poena warrior modela, posto mi je limit 39 poena (35 + Kromacovih 4).

@svi: Posto sam dobio pitanje o poenima na PM, vodite samo i racuna o tome da se sve stavke iz onog excel fajla mogu scorovati samo jednom u toku celog turnira, tako da je zapravo cilj da tokom 4 partije ostvaris sto vise onih razlicitih stavki. A pobeda svake od partija je samo jos po 1 dodatni poen. Tako da je zapravo manje bitno da pobedis, a vise bitno da ostvaris sto veci sarenis onih stavki.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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The best way to put it is this. You may have up to and not more than 10 points of warrior models and no less than 25 + the WJ/WB points of your caster worth of Jacks/Beats.
The event is designed to be very jack/beast heavy so that players can use finishing moves/rampages more. Playing infantry can actually be a big disadvantage so use them very sparingly.
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Wouldn't it be better then to run the event on 25 pts - not sure how many people have Collosals ready :)
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You think colossals don't appear in 25pt lists where you have less points worth of jacks to destroy them?
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Rick wrote:You think colossals don't appear in 25pt lists where you have less points worth of jacks to destroy them?
No i don't, but I think that people that do not have a colossal might have a problem with fielding min 30 points worth of jacks in a meaningfull way ...
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Fair point, well made.

All hordes players obviously have a chunk of beasts. I would say that most players that I have seen have got a chunk of jacks - running them is the issue but then again it was always and always was going to be in this format. Leaving aside retribution and assuming that Convergence will always be OK it is a question of the four factions and mercs.
Menoth = Choir = no real problem. Wouldn't play the Testament of Menoth but even the High Reclaimer could work in this format.
Cygnar w/Stormwall = no problem, w/o stormwall then you have Darius, Kraye, the Nemos and the Haley's all with game. pStryker and Brisbane could be ok too.
Cryx = Morte, pGoreshade, both Skarres and both the Denny's all should be good
Khador. pVlad is the obvious choice but I would want a few beserker's and Drago in order to be very scary. Both Sorscha's yes, Kharchev of course, Harkevich and at least pButcher if not 3 Butcher too. Strakhov with the journeyman would be my choice but that is more for shenanigans.
Mercs - you're really looking at pMagnus as your go to guy. 2 Renegades, a Mangler and another heavy (Rocinante perhaps) as a battle group. Gorman and Aiyana & Holt are essential imho. Dwarves with the Earthbreaker and Thor and gun bunnies will be fine.
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Evo i ja da se oglasim.

Mislim da sam negde vec pisao, ali cu se svakako ponoviti - moj cilj organizovanja ovog (i buducih) event-ova je da napravim nesto sto ce biti drugacije od onoga sto se inace igramo u klubu, i da napravim nesto sto ce ljudima biti zabavno, gde ce provesti lepo popodne i sto ce jedva cekati da se ponovi.

Moj cilj nije da napravim super-balansirani event. Na prvom mestu, moje iskustvo u WM/H nije na dovoljno velikom nivou da bih tako nesto mogao da uradim. A i da jeste, ne bih pokusavao da napravim savrseno izbalansirani event, jer moje (ogromno) iskustvo u WH/40K/slicnim sistemima govori da to nije moguce. Sa odgovornoscu tvrdim da je tako u svakom sistemu koji ima X statova, bacanje kockica, itd. (iako znam da se neki nece sloziti samnom).

Dakle ono sto ja mogu da porucim ljudima je sledece: ko zeli da dodje i da dominira na nekom kompetativnom turniru, koji vazi za turnir sa dobro balansiranim pravilima - za njega je pre masters qualifer koji organizuje Rick. Ko zeli da dodje zabave radi i da se lepo izigra bez mnogo razmisljanja o pobedi - za njega je pre ovo sto ja organizujem. Ko zeli od oba po malo - taj dodje na oba eventa ;). Mislim da je ovo nesto sto je sasvim razumno i cime se jako lepo dopunjujemo, i sto cini dobro za celu igracku populaciju (jer ne zele svi da igraju kompetativno, kao sto ne zele svi da se igraju zabave radi, i kao sto postoje oni koji zele i jedno i drugo).
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Jedino što bih ja dodao na to je da svi mi igramo zabave radi :D
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Mislim da je ovo nesto sto je sasvim razumno i cime se jako lepo dopunjujemo, i sto cini dobro za celu igracku populaciju (jer ne zele svi da igraju kompetativno, kao sto ne zele svi da se igraju zabave radi, i kao sto postoje oni koji zele i jedno i drugo).
Sorry - again it reads like I am talking about those casters as being competitive in the tournament which I wasn't, I was listing the casters that could run 3 jacks competently in response to Mikaan. pIrusk for Khador would be a very competitive choice in this event as Inhospitable Ground alone would shut down many lists and with Battle Lust and superiority he is a very good choice BUT he would probably be using one jack per round as a missile rather than all 3. Still good and still competitive. pMags probably upkeeps Iron Agression on the mangler, temper metal on a rover or nomad and snipe on one of the two renegades all for free and can still allocate 6 focus and can run all 4 jacks with a decent efficiency. Is he better than Damiano or Ashlynn or Drake in this format or any other - who knows - but he runs 3+ jacks well.
To take down a colossal he does need A&H and probably Gorman which Damiano may not need and that's why I mentioned it.
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Dodjem. Videću da li trolove ili elfove. Trolovi se u ovom trenutku čine kao jednostavnija opcija za mnogo zveri.

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Imam jedno pitanje/predlog

Kako funkcioniše ovaj sistem kada su u pitanju jack marshali u WM ili lesser warloci u Hordama? Pretpostavljam da se jack/beast u toj varijanti takođe računa u okviru jack/beast dela armije. Šta se dešava sa samim jack marshalima recimo? Da li se on računa u ovaj obavezni deo poentaže ili ga moramo kupiti iz ionako malog dela rezervisanog za unite?

Jedan predlog koji bi možda doprineo da na turniru bude više zabavnih WM armija je da se recimo omogući da se iz JACK poena warcastera kupuju i jack marshali i junior casteri i da se oni onda računaju u jack deo armije. Benefiti su sledeći:

- Warmachine igrač će moći da vodi više džekova bez da bude potpuno ograničen poentažom i limitiranim fokusom
- Zapravo ćemo na jednom turniru videti neke jack marshale i junior castere (recimo mislim da se nikada inače neće desiti da recimo neko izvede dawnguard sciyra za Retribuciju ili manowar kovnika za Khador
- Kupovina jack marshala iz jack poena dodatno obezbeđuje da nema varanja, pa da recimo neko kupi celu jedinicu pesadije od deset poena i da mu se ista racuna u jack deo, benefit bi postojao za jeftine jackmarshal/juniorcaster opcije.

Da ne bi bilo zabune, odmah napominjem da je ideja da u ovom slučaju jack marshal ili junior caster moraju da zapravo imaju jacka koga će voditi u listi.

Šta mislite o tome? Ideja je svakako da se dobro zabavimo.
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Šta se dešava sa samim jack marshalima recimo? Da li se on računa u ovaj obavezni deo poentaže ili ga moramo kupiti iz ionako malog dela rezervisanog za unite?
Svaki od jack marsala / lesser warlocka ima svoj tip. Koliko sam ja video, svi tipovi spadaju u jednu od sledecih kategorija: solo, unit, UA. Svi ti tipovi spadaju u warrior modele. Samim tim dolaze iz tog malog dela rezervisanog za unite. Koliko sam ja video, ne postoji neki jack marsal / lesser warlock sa tipom jack / beast.
Pretpostavljam da se jack/beast u toj varijanti takođe računa u okviru jack/beast dela armije.
Da - ono sto ima svoj opis kao jack/beast se racuna kao jack/beast. To sto ga kontrolise neko drugi ne menja njegov tip.

Za kraj jos jednom - savrseno sam svestan da koji god format da odaberem, sigurno nesto nece biti skroz izbalansirano. Takodje, uzmi u obzir da ako tebi kazem ok, onda ce jos 10 ljudi da ima nesto sto se njima cini kao sjajna ideja, a to onda ne vodi nikuda - siguran sam da si i sam svestan toga ;) (a jos smo i kao nacija skloni tome da se "sve lako dogovorimo" ;) ). Ovaj turnir cemo pokusati da odigramo sa ovim pravilima, ja cu na kraju turnira pokupiti utiske od ljudi, pa cemo videti za neke sledece turnire kako cemo njih igrati.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

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Samo mali podsetnik da je turnir za 10 dana.

Ukoliko ima onih koji ce odustati, i to vec sada znaju - sada je pravo vreme da se javite. Takodje, ako ima onih koji se nisu prijavili a zele da dodju - sada je pravo vreme da se prijavite. Zeleo bih da budemo korektni prema ostalim clanovima i posetiocima kluba Zmaj, da ljudi unapred znaju koliko tabli ce biti zauzeto, te koliko ce tabli biti slobodno.

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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Ja bih voleo da igram ali nisam siguran da cu stici na prvu partiju (opstinsko takmicenje iz biologije :)
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Pa da nisi ti malo mator da se takmicis sa klincima iz biologije :P :).

Salu na stranu, dodji na drugu i ostale partije, ja sam rezervni igrac, tako da uvek moze da nas bude paran broj.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Ja se izvinjavam ali i pored dobre volje necu moci doci na turnir. Sretno svima.
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Nikola rece da ce doci.

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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Ja cu morati da se odjavim - ne racunajte na mene ove subote.
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Oki, sledeci put ;).

Za ostale samo podsetnik da je okupljanje od 12:00, a da prva partija pocinje u 12:30, te vas sve molim da dodjete na vreme, jer ce prva partija poceti tacno na vreme. Takodje, zbog malo gustog rasporeda, nemamo mesta da pomeramo satnicu, tako da je to razlog vise da vas zamolim da budete tacni.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Trudicu se da stignem na prvu, ako kasnim saljem poruku
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