Pocetnicka pitanja tj. kako poceti sa Warmachinom/Hordama
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Lepo ti je rekao Dule, jedno je upkeep na severiusa a drugo na unit.
Hipoteticki drugi primer: ne bi mogao castovati eye of menoth i holy vigil na 1 unit/figuru.
Recimo ne mozes castovati holy vigil i blessing of menoth (npr) na jednu istu figuru.
Pise u pravilima da svaki model/unit na sebi moze imati SAMO jedan prijatreljski i jedan neprijateljski upkeep spell, bas tamo na stranici 55
P.S. :E moj Dule, u sred ispitnog roka ti se bavis pravilima za Wm, umesto da ucis pa da high reclaimer ostane bez posla :D 
Hipoteticki drugi primer: ne bi mogao castovati eye of menoth i holy vigil na 1 unit/figuru.
Recimo ne mozes castovati holy vigil i blessing of menoth (npr) na jednu istu figuru.
Pise u pravilima da svaki model/unit na sebi moze imati SAMO jedan prijatreljski i jedan neprijateljski upkeep spell, bas tamo na stranici 55
P.S. :E moj Dule, u sred ispitnog roka ti se bavis pravilima za Wm
, umesto da ucis pa da high reclaimer ostane bez posla :D
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I dalje niste shvati sta sam hipoteticki pitao, tj. sta mi nije jasno:
Castujes neki spell koji hipoteticki radi na sve modele u X". U tih X inci se recimo nalaze paladin, bombasi i caster. I spell ne targetuje castera nego sve u X".
Znaci na svima njima je aktivan isti spell.
Zatim sa casterom na recimo paladina (koji je u X", dakle pod dejstvom spella) bacis npr. holy vigil. Da li se prvi spell ugasio na svim modelima ili samo na paladinu?
U pravilima pise da kada model dodje pod dejstvo drugog upkeep spella prvi SE GASI (ali ne pise samo za taj model).
Dakle, moja dilema je sta bi bilo sa prvim spellom? Po logici, rekao bih da samo paladin nije pod dejstvom oba. Po bukvlanom prevodu pravila, cini mi se da bi se prvi spell ugasio i za bombase i castera....
Zato i pitam ostale da pogledaju, da vidim da nisam ja nesto pogresno protumacio
Castujes neki spell koji hipoteticki radi na sve modele u X". U tih X inci se recimo nalaze paladin, bombasi i caster. I spell ne targetuje castera nego sve u X".
Znaci na svima njima je aktivan isti spell.
Zatim sa casterom na recimo paladina (koji je u X", dakle pod dejstvom spella) bacis npr. holy vigil. Da li se prvi spell ugasio na svim modelima ili samo na paladinu?
U pravilima pise da kada model dodje pod dejstvo drugog upkeep spella prvi SE GASI (ali ne pise samo za taj model).
Dakle, moja dilema je sta bi bilo sa prvim spellom? Po logici, rekao bih da samo paladin nije pod dejstvom oba. Po bukvlanom prevodu pravila, cini mi se da bi se prvi spell ugasio i za bombase i castera....
Zato i pitam ostale da pogledaju, da vidim da nisam ja nesto pogresno protumacio
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Mozes imati CASTOVAN samo jedan upkeep spell na unit. To znaci da na unit rade i eye of menoth i holy vigil, posto je eom castovan na severijusa a holy vigil na zilote/paladina/whatever
Znaci nije zabranjeno da se efekti vise spelova stackuju na unit dokle god nije CASTOVAN vise od jedan upkeep spel na unit.
U tvom primeru samo bi se prvi upkeep spell, eom, ugasio na severijusu ,kada bi na sebe kastovao holy vigil
Znaci nije zabranjeno da se efekti vise spelova stackuju na unit dokle god nije CASTOVAN vise od jedan upkeep spel na unit.
U tvom primeru samo bi se prvi upkeep spell, eom, ugasio na severijusu ,kada bi na sebe kastovao holy vigil
Nisi shvatio opet, ali nema ni veze... rascistio sam svoju dilemu
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Pendargon
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Nije bitno, jer tvoj hipoteticki primer ne postoji. Ne postoji spell u igri ( a da ja znam, a citam ove knjigice kao klinci stripove :D :D ), koji TARGETUJE vise jedinica u isto vreme. A kako mislim da bi radilo kada bi postojao, rekao sam ti prethodno.Nisi shvatio opet, ali nema ni veze... rascistio sam svoju dilemu
Mislim da smo all clear
Mala ispravka : Jedan FRIENDLY upkeep spell. Bitno je, je unit u isto vreme moze imati JEDAN friendly i JEDAN enemy upkeep spell na sebi.Znaci nije zabranjeno da se efekti vise spelova stackuju na unit dokle god nije CASTOVAN vise od jedan upkeep spel na unit.
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Samo da proverim:
Kreoss izvede Guardiana. Guardian ima sam po sebi retribution auru (potrosi 1 focus da nanese isti dmg protivniku). Kreoss castuje na njega retribution spell. Neko napadne guardiana i napravi mu X dmga. Nakon toga taj neko popije 2 puta isti taj dmg?
Kreoss izvede Guardiana. Guardian ima sam po sebi retribution auru (potrosi 1 focus da nanese isti dmg protivniku). Kreoss castuje na njega retribution spell. Neko napadne guardiana i napravi mu X dmga. Nakon toga taj neko popije 2 puta isti taj dmg?
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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mladjano bugarce
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Da li je warjack unit? Tj da li nesto sto radi na sebe i target friendly unit u x", moze da se baci na jack-a?
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Ja samo da javim da su vatre pocele da gore i u Revengeru - ofarbane su mu obe ruke kompletno, noge vecim delom, i deo tela
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Danas je i Revenger upalio svoju vatru.... sledeci je verovatno Krezos...Dzon Vejn wrote:Ja samo da javim da su vatre pocele da gore i u Revengeru - ofarbane su mu obe ruke kompletno, noge vecim delom, i deo tela
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Krezos pri krajuDzon Vejn wrote:Danas je i Revenger upalio svoju vatru.... sledeci je verovatno Krezos...Dzon Vejn wrote:Ja samo da javim da su vatre pocele da gore i u Revengeru - ofarbane su mu obe ruke kompletno, noge vecim delom, i deo tela
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Pendargon
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nasao odgovor na pitanje koje je iskrslo kad sam igrao sa rickom, vezano za rikoset. dobri infernali sa foruma su mi rekli... :
http://privateerpress.com/FAQ/hordes/fa ... egory=5#44
The point of origin of this additional attack is the model hit by the original attack, but Madrak is still the attacker.
I jos jedna stvar koju smo lose igrali, a ja sam jako srecan jer smo napokon ukapirali... Ura za Deathjacka:
http://www.privateerpressforums.com/ind ... pic=137344
http://privateerpress.com/FAQ/hordes/fa ... egory=5#44
The point of origin of this additional attack is the model hit by the original attack, but Madrak is still the attacker.
I jos jedna stvar koju smo lose igrali, a ja sam jako srecan jer smo napokon ukapirali... Ura za Deathjacka:
http://www.privateerpressforums.com/ind ... pic=137344
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PainBringer
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Okej, to sam ja i tvrdio tokom partije - da je 'point of origin' zapravo prvi pogodjeni model (onaj od koga se racuna rastojanje od 4"). Da li to znaci da je tvoj solo (Tartarus, cini mi se) legalno pogodjen?Pendargon wrote:nasao odgovor na pitanje koje je iskrslo kad sam igrao sa rickom, vezano za rikoset. dobri infernali sa foruma su mi rekli... :
http://privateerpress.com/FAQ/hordes/fa ... egory=5#44
The point of origin of this additional attack is the model hit by the original attack, but Madrak is still the attacker.
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Za vikend bi trebalo da odigram sa Rikom jednu ili dve partije - njegovi Trolovi protiv mojih Skorne-a. Igramo u 500 poena - mada ja imam 410, tako da ce drustvo da mi prave Gatormen-i (dok ne pokupujem ostale stvari koje mi trebaju)... Sa Trolovima stvari stoje slicno - i njih imam oko 410 poena, mada one jahace prasadi jos nisam sklopio...
Sve ozbiljnije razmisljam o onome sto si pricao - da ipak uzmem Hexeris-a. Procitao sam jos jednom njegova pravila, pogledao par listi tu i tamo i shvatio da bi on mogao da pravi priliclno lepe stvari ako se pametno odigra, jel'te...
Sve ozbiljnije razmisljam o onome sto si pricao - da ipak uzmem Hexeris-a. Procitao sam jos jednom njegova pravila, pogledao par listi tu i tamo i shvatio da bi on mogao da pravi priliclno lepe stvari ako se pametno odigra, jel'te...
Ja bih samo ljudima da pojasnim sta je artrisn betl:
Prvo mi se prevrnuo revenger koga sam ofarbao, i otpala mu je ruka, a onda sam u procesu farbanja guardiana ostao bez koplja.... resen da vidim kolika je steta i probam da namestim koplje nazad, otpala je i ruka
Sa druge strane, kreoss je ofarban, i guardian od nogu do pojasa (revenger, devout i zealoti od pre)
Eto, nadam se da ste shvatili :lol:
Prvo mi se prevrnuo revenger koga sam ofarbao, i otpala mu je ruka, a onda sam u procesu farbanja guardiana ostao bez koplja.... resen da vidim kolika je steta i probam da namestim koplje nazad, otpala je i ruka
Sa druge strane, kreoss je ofarban, i guardian od nogu do pojasa (revenger, devout i zealoti od pre)
Eto, nadam se da ste shvatili :lol:
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Trebalo bi relativno uskoro da pocnem da se pojavljujem u Pop Lukinoj sa upravo kupljenim Everblight -om (naravno, ako nije problem igrati neko vreme sa neofarbanim modelima). 500 poena je prakticno tu, fale mi samo mongeri (koji su i jedina preostala varijabla na ovoj listi):
Rhyas
Carnivean
Nephilim
Forsaken
6 x Swordsmen
3 x Warmongers
3 x Raptors
Swamp Gobbers
Trebalo bi sve biti sklopljeno ovog vikenda; ko god da je voljan da se nakon toga 'oproba' dobrodosao je. U svakom slucaju, pocecu da vam stalkujem partije (posebno ligu) pa cemo se valjda i upoznati i dogovoriti.
Takodje, dobrodosli bi bili i saveti vezani za listu, Everblight generalno i sve drugo na sta bi trebalo da obratim paznju, dakako. Ima li Everblight igraca? Neka iskustva? itd.
Hvala unapred.
Rhyas
Carnivean
Nephilim
Forsaken
6 x Swordsmen
3 x Warmongers
3 x Raptors
Swamp Gobbers
Trebalo bi sve biti sklopljeno ovog vikenda; ko god da je voljan da se nakon toga 'oproba' dobrodosao je. U svakom slucaju, pocecu da vam stalkujem partije (posebno ligu) pa cemo se valjda i upoznati i dogovoriti.
Takodje, dobrodosli bi bili i saveti vezani za listu, Everblight generalno i sve drugo na sta bi trebalo da obratim paznju, dakako. Ima li Everblight igraca? Neka iskustva? itd.
Hvala unapred.
I think Bojan's experience of Everblight is regularly crushing his opponents.
Be careful with only 2 warbeasts (and both front-liners) you could find your warlock short of fury if a player decides to concentrate on taking them out (which a dirty Warmachine player would). If you have them at maxed out fury your Warlock cannot transfer damage to them and also your forsaken will want to take fury too. You might be better off with another Warbeast.
eg;
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight
Carnivean
Nephilim Soldier
Seraph
The Forsaken
Blighted Swordsmen (6)
Raptors (3)
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew
Remember that the Raptors and Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew will have to stay away from the Forsaken as they are not fearless. The Seraph is a beast that you will definitely use to the max of it's fury regularly so is a pretty good choice and will be generally kept away from the fighting.
Be careful with only 2 warbeasts (and both front-liners) you could find your warlock short of fury if a player decides to concentrate on taking them out (which a dirty Warmachine player would). If you have them at maxed out fury your Warlock cannot transfer damage to them and also your forsaken will want to take fury too. You might be better off with another Warbeast.
eg;
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight
Carnivean
Nephilim Soldier
Seraph
The Forsaken
Blighted Swordsmen (6)
Raptors (3)
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew
Remember that the Raptors and Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew will have to stay away from the Forsaken as they are not fearless. The Seraph is a beast that you will definitely use to the max of it's fury regularly so is a pretty good choice and will be generally kept away from the fighting.
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Pendargon
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Ovi momci retko sta urade... jednom kada udju da seku tu trava ne raste, ali treba doci.Blighted Swordsmen (6)
Takodje, mislim da je problem u listi sto imas 2 abominationa, tako da ce tvoji raptori imati jako limited movement. A ni ti debeli ogrovi se ne cine nesto mnogo cool.
Alfa i omega svih everblightovih taktika je Seraph, zbog slipstreama, a ti ga nemas. Topao savet je da ga brzo uzmes.
Takodje, nemas najbojeg warbeasta za svoje poene, male shredder pilice, sto je velika steta, jer pored toga sto su slatki, jako su efikasni.
Ako zelis trial partije, rado cu se igrati. :D
sibni na pm kad si slobodan.[/quote]
I am joining in the discussion not making a sale (otherwise I would have agreed that the warmongers were the best option 8) )Anyway, Rick, I'll let you know by Saturday what I have chosen.
The raptors are an amazing unit for harrying from afar. If they don't start too close they can be on the other side of the table in the first round and keep well away from the abominations. The limit may come into affect by round 3 but by that time they would have made their points back and probably be dead, being chased by a frenzying warbeast or making flank attacks against a rather annoyed Warlock/Warcaster.mislim da je problem u listi sto imas 2 abominationa, tako da ce tvoji raptori imati jako limited movement.
Cavalry is never a bad thing in Hordes.
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mladjano bugarce
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Moram priznati da sa njom swordmeni, legionari i warmongeri bivaju bolji nego s ostalima jer ima fit koji radi na njih + spell koji im daje +1 movement + imunity to free strikes. Definitivno bi u listi sa njom vodio Karniviana jer ima spell koji mu daje MAT 7 i RAT 6 i bar jednog do dva mala gnida za transfer damagea. Uz nju su ti obavezni inkubusi a razmislio bi i o legionarima. Obzirom da joj je cela lista vrlo melee oriented i expandable nisam siguran da ti uz nju trebaju strelci.
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Ziva istina. Kad iskoriste onaj njihov ability, valjda rabbid, mogu da unakaze jedinicu light jacka/beasta, ili da solidno nacnu heavija.A kolko se secam, imaju i neki simpatican arm buff animus...Pendargon wrote: Takodje, nemas najbojeg warbeasta za svoje poene, male shredder pilice, sto je velika steta, jer pored toga sto su slatki, jako su efikasni.
Mada mi se kod everblighta kao najgora mora cini Carnivean. Nije normalno da se nesto tako ubitacno krece tako brzo!
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Jes', Incubi, na njih sam zaboravio... sa druge strane, necu ih ubacivati bez najmanje dva cc unita sa small bazama (u principu swordsmen ili legionari; strideri su i pored svoje brzine previse skupi da bi ih bacao u smrt). Da li se legionari isplate? Dodju skoro isto poena kao swordsmen, stoga pre svega u poredjenju sa njima. Sta bolje dodje kao host za inkube, fearless ili veca... izdrzljivost?mladjano bugarce wrote:Moram priznati da sa njom swordmeni, legionari i warmongeri bivaju bolji nego s ostalima jer ima fit koji radi na njih + spell koji im daje +1 movement + imunity to free strikes. Definitivno bi u listi sa njom vodio Karniviana jer ima spell koji mu daje MAT 7 i RAT 6 i bar jednog do dva mala gnida za transfer damagea. Uz nju su ti obavezni inkubusi a razmislio bi i o legionarima. Obzirom da joj je cela lista vrlo melee oriented i expandable nisam siguran da ti uz nju trebaju strelci.
Strelce nisam ni planirao za ovu listu, mada mi se cini da ce uz UA lepo dopunjavati svaku, pa nek' i prestigli 100 poena.
Pilice nisam kupio jer, koliko sam shvatio Ricka, trenutno ih nema. Zato se i razmisljam da kupim Warpack. Mozda ni dva Karniveana nisu losa ideja ponekad.
U svakom slucaju cu odmah nabavljati preko 500 poena, potpuno mi je besmisleno ovako naslepo se neckati izmedju modela.
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