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FGSerbia · Post by **FGSerbia** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:51 pm

The price of the new character Jacks are very high and I think the SoTR route of having the large models in resin or plastic is fine it probably requires less drilling but I'm worried that considering how expensive moulds are for plastic they end up doing a GW and have units all having the same pose.

Ko, jel' ja? · Post by **Ko, jel' ja?** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:52 pm

S tim da ne menjaju pravila i ne uvode pre-painted momenat, ne bih se previše brinuo da će završiti kao Rackham.
Zbog velikih figura mislim da je to Ok potez.

Dawngreeter · Post by **Dawngreeter** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:53 pm

That would be my single greatest fear as well. Posable plastic minis my ass, if it's gonna be like the gorram space marines I will get seriously frustrated.

Post by **bojan** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:52 pm

FGSerbia wrote: The price of the new character Jacks are very high and I think the SoTR route of having the large models in resin or plastic is fine it probably requires less drilling.

There is no way to make large resin models any cheaper then metal ones.
As noted plastic molds, especially for large models cost a lot - can they sell 50.000 plastic Behemots to cover a cost?
Time will tell.

...considering how expensive moulds are for plastic they end up doing a GW and have units all having the same pose...

Correction - PP already has only 1-2-3 poses per infantry unit - look at Bile Thralls and cry when you see 6 only marginally different models in unit ... Newer units are much better however (pirates).

Re: GW bit - there is absolutely no reason for plastic units (I am talking about units in last 5-6 years) to have same pose across entire unit except owner's laziness. There are exceptions (eg. Chaos warriors), but most models can be posed (and I am not talking about any kind of conversions) in lot, lot poses.

Post by **Dzon Vejn** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:05 pm

That's true... my zealtos have 3 poses I think, while my swordsmen unit, that I bought at the beggining of 6th edition, have all 20 models in different poses.

Post by **Shunka** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:18 pm

The standard is 4 poses + leader for infantry...

I'm really not worried about plastic units looking all the same. Ultimately, converting plastic is easy. And hopefully we'll get some good bitz.

Krunkova · Post by **Krunkova** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:13 pm

There are several disadvantages metal models have in comparison to their plastic counterparts.
Weight,volume etc...

Converting plastic is basically playing with models-not hard at all
Plus plastic is easier to store and transport- no need for pinning,no need for bending limbs and so on.
One thing is for sure- WM will not be the same

Ko, jel' ja? · Post by **Ko, jel' ja?** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:19 pm

Težinu metalnih modela svakako ne bih naveo kao disadvantage osim ukoliko je reč o velikim modelima, u tom slučaju se slažem.

Resurrection · Post by **Resurrection** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:22 pm

Ako vam treba tezina mozete kupiti kod mog caleta olovo 1 kg = 70 din, pa metalne punite baze da vam bude teze.

Mind Uploader · Post by **Mind Uploader** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:01 pm

Nije samo tezina problem sa metalnim figurama (mada jeste problem). Najveci problem je sto se sa metala 10X brze grebe boja. Nekoliko puta mi je padao plasticni GW marinac sa stola (visina oko metar i dvadeset) i nije se ogrebao. Da je pala metalna figura, prvo bi se polomila, onda bi se skinula boja na nekoliko mesta i figura bi bila unistena, morao bih da potrosim jos barem 2-3 sata rada da je vratim u originalno stanje, nasuprot plasticnom marincu koga sam samo vratio na tablu... Ako detaljnost figura ne pretrpi u nekoj velikoj meri plastika je cak i poboljsanje...

Shark · Post by **Shark** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:48 pm

Nishta ne mozhe zameniti osetjaj debelog dzheka u rukama

arborsomniorum · Post by **arborsomniorum** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:54 pm

MRZIM PLASTIKU, DA SAM HTEO DA SE IGRAM PLASTIKOM IGRAO BIH WH40K...

No bilo kako bilo, jasno ce biti i ppu i svima koji budu kupovali plastiku, kada cena bude ista, a figure dzuguljigave, zbog cega su se radovali...

Mind Uploader · Post by **Mind Uploader** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:04 pm

Shark wrote:Nishta ne mozhe zameniti osetjaj debelog dzheka u rukama

Hohoho, da zna PP kakav imas fetish prema njegovim figurama...

A kako li je tek drzati u ruci debelog warbeasta koji samo sto nije frenzirao... Lele...

Ili kada uzmu igraci da mere:
-Moj warbeast je veci od tvog...
-Jeste, ali moj radi sav onaj good stuff...
-Axa, ali moj je debeo (ima veci ARM)...

-Moj je lepsi...
-Moj jeste mali (shredder) ali je Ines rekla da je najlepsi u klubu...

Dawngreeter · Post by **Dawngreeter** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:57 pm

Uz taj nenadjebivi osecaj debelog džeka u rukama, predlazem sledece osvezenje:

Shark · Post by **Shark** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:52 pm

Mind Uploader wrote:
Shark wrote:Nishta ne mozhe zameniti osetjaj debelog dzheka u rukama
Hohoho, da zna PP kakav imas fetish prema njegovim figurama... A kako li je tek drzati u ruci debelog warbeasta koji samo sto nije frenzirao... Lele...

Ili kada uzmu igraci da mere:
-Moj warbeast je veci od tvog...
-Jeste, ali moj radi sav onaj good stuff...
-Axa, ali moj je debeo (ima veci ARM)...
-Moj je lepsi...
-Moj jeste mali (shredder) ali je Ines rekla da je najlepsi u klubu...

nah, ja sam istinski vernik. meni se svidjaju samo pravedni momci Menotovci

i poneki kadoranac, al to je chisto onako

Gassalasca Jape · Post by **Gassalasca Jape** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:36 am

Dawngreeter wrote:Uz taj nenadjebivi osecaj debelog džeka u rukama, predlazem sledece osvezenje:

Zanimljivo mi je sto je ovo urnebesno samo nama non-nativeima.

PainBringer · Post by **PainBringer** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:22 pm

Da se vratimo na temu.
Stigao je Epic Thargosh.

Hocu ovaj model.

Mind Uploader · Post by **Mind Uploader** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:48 pm

Sprema se za neki opasan sprint...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:00 pm

Mislim da pokusava da poleti svojim malim curecim krilcima...

Dawngreeter · Post by **Dawngreeter** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:18 pm

Meni izgleda kao da mu je u ovoj formi prirodniji polozaj na sve cetri, minis leva ruka.

Krunkova · Post by **Krunkova** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:27 pm

Izgleda kao da se sprema poletit- al prema proporcijama krila naspram ruku i nogu reko bih da mu neće uspijet.

mladjano bugarce · Post by **mladjano bugarce** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:32 pm

To je zato sto verovatno ima ona retardirana krila koja ima nefilim soldier

FGSerbia · Post by **FGSerbia** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:38 pm

Dawngreeter · Post by **Dawngreeter** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:05 pm

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

FGSerbia · Post by **FGSerbia** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:51 pm

Just saw the 4th Minion Warcaster in the back of No Quarter #22.
It's a Gatorman with a bloody huge Alligator as a beast.
How sweet is that!?!?!?

PainBringer · Post by **PainBringer** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:11 am

Ok, Kevin from "Privateer press" (the fat guy that plays Trollbloods) played Epic Doomshaper at TempleCon. His list was eDoomy, 4 Dire trolls (2 EBDT and 2 DTM) and some minions (Gatormen). So, here's the list of eDoomy's abilities (at least those players remembered):

FEAT: eDoomy and friendly warbeasts double their speed.

SPECIAL ABILITIES AND STATS:
- Stats are the same (or slightly changed), which means they are still poor
- Hyper regeneration (VERY increased regeneration rate)
- Calming effect (same as before)
- Goad: friendly warbeast can be forced to move 2 inches if it kills enemy model
- Bond (now this is insane): one non-unique warbeast can make Arm/Head locks, Throws, Head butts and Rend power attacks instead of normal melee attacks.
- His weapon has reach and if it hits a warbeast, he can do something awful to it (some players say he can control it for a while)

SPELLS :
- Agitate: adds fury points to enemy warbeasts in his CTRL
- Mayhem: friendly dire trolls can charge/slam/trample without being forced at SPD + 5".
- He has 3 more spells, but people couldn't remember them.

This means that Dire Trolls in eDoomy's army can charge 5+5+5= 15" on the feat turn (17 with Goad)!!!!!! Cannonball Trolls!!!!

FGSerbia · Post by **FGSerbia** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:05 am

Doesn't sound broken to me.
I thought he was going to have an affinity with Mulg the Ancient?

Needs to have a spell that says whilst he has fury on him he is immune to everything except tender loving care.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:12 am

no...because then there would be new minon warbeast: Care Bear :P

Krunkova · Post by **Krunkova** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:55 am

The most important question...what's his Fury stat?

Charging with a warbeast 15" is not equally good as charging with a jack- since jack don't need to stay in ctrl to boost,buy extra attacks,etc.

Khador had that years ago...Cygnar too,Cryx three ....

Shark · Post by **Shark** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:02 pm

Krunkova wrote:since jack don't need to stay in ctrl to boost,buy extra attacks,etc.

Sure about that one? I remember hearing otherwise. So, i'm kinda curious.
Oh, right - it needs to be in the control zone to get focus in the first place. right.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:28 pm

Sure about that one? I remember hearing otherwise. So, i'm kinda curious.
Oh, right - it needs to be in the control zone to get focus in the first place. right.

He is sure. Because it's true :-D

Krunkova · Post by **Krunkova** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:14 am

The only point there is that regardless of the fact that you could launch a beast 15" or so- your caster needs to be up front(not healthy) to use fury.
In WM,you could give a jack x focus and send it "flying" with no regret-especially if you're playing the following casters:

I'm gonna start with my faction(Cygnar)- not to sound like a cry baby

Darius(move+crane+Full trottle+charge+reach)-Centurion charging 6"+2"+7"+2"- 17" total
Kraye(in case of thorn+6" spell+12"full tilt doubles move,+3" charge,+2"reach) 23" total
Vlad feat+ Devastator + spell(8"double move,5" charge,2-3" Rain of death pow 18-with signs and blah blah)
Cryx have their ways to- something with Nightmare i heard :oops:

I'm not going to get into Hordes- but for sure Legion ,Circle and Scorne have their "I'm charging xy " toys- so It's only fair that the medium based green regenerative friends get their's too"

And remeber Khador players- "play nice with other kids" :D

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:43 am

Kraye(in case of thorn+6" spell+12"full tilt doubles move,+3" charge,+2"reach) 23" total

This one is rather useless, because thorn, when finishing the charge, doesn't have any more focus to spend. And one boosted pow 12 is not gonna kill a lot. And then Thorn dies...

And, yes, Nightmare is a pest :-D

Krunkova · Post by **Krunkova** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:36 pm

Khm...

Now let's get down to basics-

Kraye gives thorn 3 focus to start with.That leaves Kraye with 3,check.

Kraye activates and casts full tilt,spending 2 focus,strips another 2 from the squire(which is becoming an auto include by itself) casts easy rider if need be. Now after the spell is cast Thorn moves for free 6".Then feat.

Thorn charges across heavy terrain,as instructed with boosted attacks.
First attack with spear for POW 13 with a charge bonus
Second attack shield with POW 9
-3 focus to go

Unless target's ARM is 20- one dead,dead caster

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:01 pm

Naravno da to ne radi tako, kada bi makar malo seo da citas sopstvena pravila, shvatio bi.
Kako to zapravo radi :

krey da 3 fokusa thornu.
ostaje mu 3
Baci full tilt (ali ne moze po pravilima da baci full tilt kroz thorna na thorna), vec to mora da uradi ili direktno, ili kroz DRUGI nod.
Stoga, thorn se ne pokrene 6
Znaci, treba da baci jos jedan spell ( i to uspesno) , i to kroz thorna da bi se ovaj pokrenuo 6. Ali ne moze, jer nema fokusa, a sa R2D2 se moze skinuti odjednom samo JEDAN (a ne dva fokusa, kako si ti napisao).
Stoga ostaje kao sto sam rekao. Ono sto jesam zaboravio da Kreyev feat omogucava charge za dzabe i da thorn ima malo vecu halberdu, tako da Thorn dodje sa DVA fully boosted attack rolla snage 13. Verovatno (ali ne i izvesno) dovoljno da ubije squishy low-def warcastera... (a takvih nema bas mnogo).

Post by **Zekina banda** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:21 pm

Dule, dali to znaci da Warkaster nemoze da baci magiju rejndz recimo 6" na ark-dzeka koji je u kontrol regiji a dalje od 6"?

A sto se tice teme:
Thorn 3 fokusa
Krej apkipuje ful tilt na Tornu i kastuje hot pursuit na nekog (nemora da pogodi da bi se Torn pomerio) i naravno, popuje fit.
Torn ide 6"(reaction drive)+12"(fultilt)+5"(charg pod fitom)+2"rich=25"; ima bustovane napade i 2*3D6 damage i jednom 2D6.
Ta nesto ce valjda da uradi :D

Bathory · Post by **Bathory** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:35 pm

Sigurno, posto svi ostavljamo castere same, po mogucstvu u lezecem polozaju, na otvorenom...

Iako ima domet, ja ne znam za bilo koga ko igra Wm kod nas, a da ostavlja charge lane do kastera, pa makar i 25''. Ali lepo zvuci.... i dobija se nagrada za trud u vidu mrtvog torna... To je ko i reznikov legendarni 17'' charge posle koga stize sa dusom u nosu i eventualno 1 ili 2 fokusa....

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:48 pm

Dule, dali to znaci da Warkaster nemoze da baci magiju rejndz recimo 6" na ark-dzeka koji je u kontrol regiji a dalje od 6"?

Moze, ali kroz drugog arc-jacka :-D

nemora da pogodi da bi se Torn pomerio

Nemam thornovu kartu, ali poprilicno sam siguran da mora da pogodi. Posto mi se cini da kaze nesto poput " when he succesfully arcs a spell". Zapamtio sam, jer Magnusova glavobolja od arcnodova je slicno wordovana.

mladjano bugarce · Post by **mladjano bugarce** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:56 pm

Gde pise da caster ne moze da baci npr. defanzivnu magiju kroz svoj arc node na taj isti arc node? Koliko znam pise samo za ofanzivne...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:08 pm

Zasto bi iko arcovao ofanzivnu magiju kroz arcnod u arcnod?
Meni se cini da to vazi za non-ofanzivne. Provericu...