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Evo update-ovanih pravila za 2015, naravno tek pocetak drafta ( ali svaka cast za ovako brzo pojasnjenje ) :

http://teambelgium.eu/ETC_Shared/2015_E ... S_v1.0.pdf
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Luka (RatGod), zamolio bih te da na OVOJ temi postujes poslednji Rulespack i ETC FAQ koji se tice ETC-a u Pragu.

Hvala. 8-)
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1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Nakon nekog razmisljanja, i usled obaveza privatnih koje mi se gomilaju i pri trenutnom stanju zajednice, jednostavno sam odlucio da ove godine ja ipak necu moci da iznesem teret i obavim poslove koje sam imao kao kapiten tima Srbija WH40K.

Tako da mislim da je najbolje da nekome prenesem ovu funkciju ko hoce ovim da se bavi, ja poziciju ovu napustam a sto se tice samog ucestvovanja u timu Srbija za ETC 40k ove godine, odluku o mom ucestvovanju u timu kao igrac odlucicu kada novi kapiten pokrene to pitanje i organizaciju oko sastavljanja tima.

Molim da se zaintresovani jave preko pm-a, da bi mogao u sto kracem periodu da ih ukljucim na forum koji koriste kapiteni i kako bi mogli da se ukljuce u rasprave koje pocinju.

Bila mi je cast i zadovoljstvo sto sam vodio tim Srbije dve godine, sto sam imao ovakve saigrace i doziveo sjajne trenutke sa istima - svako bi vas pozeleo i sto bi mi rekli 1,2,3 SRBIJA :D
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Sto se tice samog ETC-a tj naseg ucesca ove godine - molim bilo koga ko je zainteresovan da se sto pre prijavi - ako ima vise od jednog pa da izglasamo.. Jer vec je polovina januara a nemamo tim tj. nit znamo dal idemo. Ja jedino znam za Milana i mene da bi isli 100%. Ali opet meni jako znaci da mi se sto pre kaze zbog pre svega organizovanja odmora na poslu (tip posla je takav da radim na projektu od par nedelja do 1-2 meseca i time ne mogu tek tako da uzmem odmor - nego moram ranije da se najavim), planiranja finansija - put i eventualno nova armija/figure.
E sada nadam se da ce se neko od "starijih" prijaviti (Sutic, Ota, Nikolici..) pa da dobijemo novog kapitena i time da se ova prica makar zavrsi nekako - ako ne idemo kao tim - onda mozda odemo na singles ili kao merc nekome za timsko itd.
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Ja sam ti vec rekao - ja sam zeleo da se prijavim da ove godine budem kapiten, medjutim isto tako sam zeleo i dete ove godine :D. Sa obzirom na to da je zeni termin u julu, moje sanse da ove godine idem u Prag su negde na nivou ispod 1%.

Bilo bi mi drago kada bi tim Srbija opet otisao. Mozda neke druge godine prihvatim ovo na sebe kako bi se pokusalo sa privlacenjem stranaca na nase regularne turnire.

Takodje, ako postoji neka informacija o onom turniru u Nemackoj, sto je trebao da bude u januaru-februaru, to bi bilo super izneti.
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I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

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Posto se niko ne javlja a ja sam se cuo sa Nemanjom trazicu pristup za njega i on ce ove godine biti Kapiten.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Proslo je tri dana, mozda ljudi nisu ni videli. :mrgreen: Mada svakako bi bilo lepo ako su procitali da potvrde da nece.. ;)
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Sad je i zvanicno Nemanja aka Telion aka Weasel je kapiten ETC tima Srbija 40k za 2015 :applause:
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El ninjo capiteno! :D :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: \:D/
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e u misiji 5 je naglaseno da moras da stavis objektive u 12 jedan od drugog i 6 od ivice stola,

MISSION 5
Objective #1: Eternal War: The Scouring - Each player places three markers at least 6 "from the edge,
12" from each other worth 1, 2 and 3 points (point values noted in secret by the player deploying them).
Before rolling to seize the initiative, you reveal the value of each marker.
Objective #2: Maelstrom of War: Deadlock
Deployment: Vanguard Strike

Da li to znaci da u ostalim ne moras to da ispostujes?

12 Jun je rok za predaju listi, jel se mozda zna do kad je uplata ili to ide u isto vreme? :D
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Objective #1: Eternal War: The Scouring - Each player places three markers at least
12" from each other worth 1, 2 and 3 points
popravio sam da bi lakse razumeo. isto kao i do sada.
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@CheMilan: Objective-i se uvek postavljaju na min. 6" od ivice stola i 12" jedan od drugog.
A sto se tice predaja listi i prijava, to cu jos morati da proverim za datum, ali mislim da prijave idu nesto ranije.
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znam kako inace radi, ali pitam dal li mozda znaci posto je samo u ovoj misiji naglaseno, da u ostalima ne vazi ovo pravilo :D Nebitno ljudi :P
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Jedan clanak sa americkog sajta Torrent of Fire.
Cisto da vidite koje sve kombinacije padaju ljudima na pamet (i razmislite zasto).
http://www.torrentoffire.com/6598/the-e ... -my-friend
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Zanimljiv Battle Report, Eldar Jet Council protiv DraigoStar-a. 1850 poena, dozvoljen je bio i FW.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/02/ ... lecon.html
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Jos jedna novina:
arthain wrote:...
As some of you already know, the Host Orga has confirmed and secured a deal with 2014 Host, so that all the needed terrain, tables, and scenery, will be transported from Serbia to be used again at the 2015 ETC. This will include repairing where needed as well as a few improvements.
...
Ceo post okacen je na "javnom" delu ETC podforuma, i mozete ga procitati u celosti na:
http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic ... 2#p1519682
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interesantno...
Pendargon wrote:...po toj logici, mogao bih da isecem lepih 10 kockastih komada stiropora, na devet zalepim bolter i bolt pistolj, i granate, i mali nozic, jednom zalepim powerfist da viri, a na jednog zakacim lasscannon, i imam savrsenu jedinicu chaos space marinaca....
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LOL da li to znaci da ce i tereni kluba zmaj ici tamo?
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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RatGod wrote:LOL da li to znaci da ce i tereni kluba zmaj ici tamo?
Pa osim ako ih ne plate adekvatno, prilično sam siguran da ostaju tu gde jesu...
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RatGod wrote:LOL da li to znaci da ce i tereni kluba zmaj ici tamo?
To ces vec morati da pitas Duleta i Bojana. :)
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Jos jedna od "suludih" Come the Apocalypse listi (Tau/Tyranids):
http://www.torrentoffire.com/6650/anato ... t-tauanids
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Top liste sa nedavno zavrsenog LVO WH40k turnira:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/ ... top-lists/
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u jbt sto je zajebana ova lista tiranidi :D
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Novi Rulespack Draft:
http://www.teambelgium.eu/ETC_Shared/Eu ... %201.4.pdf
Novi FAQ & Clarifications:
http://www.teambelgium.eu/ETC_Shared/Eu ... S_v1.4.pdf

*U Draftu, na spisku kartica koje se koriste, fali jedna kartica, Big Game Hunter (br.66)
**Skrenuo sam paznju Tomu, da mozda malo izmeni onaj pre-game deo, jer su stavili da se Warlord Trait baca pre Psy-power-a, Giftova, Boonova i ostalih rolova, a trebao bi da ide u deployment-u.
To determine which trait your Warlord has, you need to choose which Warlord Traits table to roll on. You must roll on this table immediately before you deploy the first unit in your army. Sometimes, other publications present alternative Warlord Traits tables that you can choose to roll on instead
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o.O

sta, upucas neciju tiranidsku minu, i skorujes First Blood vredan nula poena? wtf bre?!
Pendargon wrote:...po toj logici, mogao bih da isecem lepih 10 kockastih komada stiropora, na devet zalepim bolter i bolt pistolj, i granate, i mali nozic, jednom zalepim powerfist da viri, a na jednog zakacim lasscannon, i imam savrsenu jedinicu chaos space marinaca....
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Izaslo: 6.4.2015.
tomepnk wrote:V 1.5 Of Clarifcations and the Rulespack Draft are out:
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http://www.teambelgium.eu/ETC_Shared/Eu ... %201.5.pdf

http://www.teambelgium.eu/ETC_Shared/Eu ... _v1.5_.pdf
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Sve publikacije koje izadju do kraja maja ulaze u opticaj za ovogodisnji ETC, sve nakon toga se "ne racuna".
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Total amount of sources in any players armylist may not exceed two.
Voleo bih da se razjasni da li su dataslejtovi source ili nisu, odnosno sta je tacno source.
Each Formation or Detachment other than a CAD can only be used once in Team Composition
sto znaci da je dozvoljen samo jedan Nemesis
Captains make sure their teams army lists are submitted on the Warhammer forums by 23:59 on the 12th of June 2015.
Ovo je prava stvar, do prvog jula izlazi i pairing, sto daje minimum mesec dana za sve provere u meti.
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Vrlo bitno posto se sinoc nije znalo :

All fortifications are Citadel scenery models, and as such never ever grant First Blood or Kill
Points when destroyed

Fortifications are deployed like any other model, and can therefore be put in or touching
terrain, as long as they can physically be placed there. They cannot be placed in or on
impassable terrain or make use of the Wobbly Model Rule

Fortifications do not have a specific faction, even when claimed. As such, the 1” rule for enemy
models never applies to them.
As such, a unit is allowed to move/be on top of the battlements of an
enemy controlled building.

Units failing a morale test while being on top of the ramparts immediately fall back the distance rolled
from the nearest ground-level point of the bastions hull. If the bastion was occupied by enemy models,
the unit is immediately destroyed instead
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RatGod wrote:Vrlo bitno posto se sinoc nije znalo :

All fortifications are Citadel scenery models, and as such never ever grant First Blood or Kill
Points when destroyed
sto je potpuno suprotno pravilima iz rulebook-a. da li to znaci da ne mogu ni da drze objectives ako su prazne? posto po normalnim pravilima mogu. u njihovom FAQ-u nije pokriveno da li drze/ne drze, ali je opet naglaseno da je claimed building unit, a unit moze da drzi objective (i trebalo bi da daje FB / kill point, ali posto su vec naglasili da ne daje...)


@Sutic
Source, po njihovom je "knjiga". ne frakcija, vec knjiga, sto znaci da je i dataslate source (pise tamo na strani 7). Sto znaci da ne mozes da napravis listu iz tri razlicita izvora ili u prevodu kao sto su vec rekli, ne mozes da imas vise od dva detachmenta. Nepotrebno su redundantni.
Mada, ima listi koje bi bile illegal po ovome, primera radi 2 knighta i Gerantius kao prvi detachment i garda kao drugi bi bila illegal lista, jer koristi 3 source-a (IK codex, WD za Gerantiusa, i AM codex). Zaista treba da razjasne...
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Ako je dataslate source, onda to znaci da Lukina lista Tyranidi/Demoni/Belakor nije legalna???
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Trenutno se na forumu vodi diskusija o tome kako ce se rule-ovati tzv. "Scarab Conga Line", odnosno ono stvaranje scaraba u liniji i stvaranje mogucnosti za 1st-turn-charge (12" deployment, Canoptek Spideri se pomere 6" i onda u 6" stvaraju nove male baze-ukupno se "ukradu jos 12", onda se te male bube pomere jos 12", sto je ukupno 36" pokrivenosti i nadju se na ivici protivnicke deployment zone u prvom krugu). Ono za sta se, valjda, pojedini kapiteni zalazu, jeste da te nove baze mogu da se stvaraju samo u koherenciji sa bazama koje su tu bile na pocetku kruga, a ne sa onima koje je stvorila prethodna grupa Spidera, cime ce ograniciti to na nekih 4" "za ukrasti".

Kako nas potencijalni Necron igrac ne bi vodio gomilu baza i Spidera, vec Wraithove, ja sam za to da mi podrzimo te ljude u promeni pravila, cisto zarad nase licne koristi...what say you?
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P.S. Bilo bi dobro da se izjasnimo danas-sutra posto "glavonje" iz ETC-a odbacuju takve predloge ukoliko se u nekom periodu od par dana ne skupi dovoljno kapitena.
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glasaj kako nama odgovara :)
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Jel si siguran da to vec ne pise u nekom od FAQ-ova? Meni se nesto cini da je to negde pokriveno.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Bilo je pokriveno za prosli kodeks, za ovaj ne.
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Moj stav je ta treba da podrzimo ovaj ruling iako nama ne treba trenutno iz jednostavnog razloga - veoma lako se zaobilazi, i resava. Ti svormovi ginu od previse stvari - tenk soka, snage 6 i velikog broja napada, blasta - sto je otprilike sve u igri. vezivanje vojske tom jedinicom nije isplativo...
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Re: ETC 2015 - Prag (generalna diskusija)

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Liste sa NEmackog turnira

Trece mesto

Mchefe`s Necron -Jagdkader

Necrons (Decurion-Kontingent, Hauptkontingent)

---------- Rückeroberungslegion ----------
Overlord (150 Punkte), - Kriegssense – Regeneratorsphäre - Der Schleier der Finsternis


10x Warriors (130 Punkte)
15x Warriors (195 Punkte)
5 x Immortals (85 Punkte) - Gauss-Blaster


3x Tomb Blades (63 Punkte)
- 3x Synchr. Gauss-Blaster, - 3x Schildplatten, - 3x Schattenprojektoren

3x Tomb Blades (72 Punkte)
- 3x Partikelstrahler, - 3x Schildplatten, - 3x Nebuloskope

3x Tomb Blades (72 Punkte)
- 3x Partikelstrahler, - 3x Schildplatten, - 3x Nebuloskope

---------- Destroyer-Kult ----------
Destroyer Lord (190 Punkte) - Warlord
- Kriegssense, - Regeneratorsphäre, - Die Aura des Schreckens

3x Destroyers (120 Punkte)
3x Destroyers (120 Punkte)
3x Destroyers (120 Punkte)
3x Heavy Destroyers (150 Punkte)


---------- Canoptek-Ernter ----------
6x Canoptek Wraiths (273 Punkte)
- 1x Fesselspulen, - 3x Transdimensionsstrahler
3x Canoptek Scarabs (60 Punkte)
Canoptek Spyder (50 Punkte)


____________________________________________
1850 Punkte

PRVO MESTO

Decurion Detachment:

Reclamation Legion: Necrons (Hauptkontingent)
*************** 1 HQ ***************
Kommandogleiter, Kriegssense, The Gauntlet of the Conflagrator, Gauss Kanone, Warlord
- - - > 185 Punkte

*************** 3 Standard ***************
10 Necron-Krieger
+ Geister-Barke -> 105 Pkt.
- - - > 235 Punkte

10 Necron-Krieger
- - - > 130 Punkte

5 Extinktoren, Gauss-Blaster
- - - > 85 Punkte

*************** 3 Sturm ***************
4 Exovenatoren, 4 x Partikelstrahler, 4 x Schildplatten, 2 x Schattenprojektoren
- - - > 90 Punkte

10 Exovenatoren, 10 x Synchronisierte Gauss-Blaster, 10 x Schildplatten, 10 x Nebuloskope
- - - > 220 Punkte

10 Exovenatoren, 10 x Synchronisierte Gauss-Blaster, 10 x Schildplatten, 10 x Nebuloskope
- - - > 220 Punkte

Judicator Batallion: Necrons
*************** 3 Elite ***************
1 Triarch Stalker, 1 x Hitzestrahler
- - - > 125 Punkte

10 Prätorianer des Triarchats, Eidstäbe
- - - > 280 Punkte

10 Prätorianer des Triarchats, Eidstäbe
- - - > 280 Punkte

DRUGO MESTO

Necron Decurion: 1x Reclamation Legion (1), 4x Canoptec Harvest (2-5)

HQ
(1) Nemesor Zahndrekh 150 (Warlord)

Standard
(1) 10 Warriors 130
(1) 10 Warriors 130
(1) 5 Immortals 85

Sturm
(1) 3 Tomb Blades: 3× Particle Beamer; 3× Shield Vanes; 3× Nebuloscopes 72
(2) 3 Canoptek Scarabs 60
(3) 3 Canoptek Scarabs 60
(4) 3 Canoptek Scarabs 60
(5) 3 Canoptek Scarabs 60
(2) 5 Canoptek Wraiths: 4× Whip Coils 212
(3) 5 Canoptek Wraiths: 4× Whip Coils 212
(4) 5 Canoptek Wraiths: 4× Whip Coils 212
(5) 5 Canoptek Wraiths: 1x Whip Coils 203

Unterstützung
(2) 1 Canoptek Spyder 50
(3) 1 Canoptek Spyder 50
(4) 1 Canoptek Spyder 50
(5) 1 Canoptek Spyder 50

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1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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