Diskusije o army listama
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Svestan sam 8) .
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Brate... pa uvek ce NEESTO da te opere! ne postoji lista koja moze sve da pobedi.orome pancevo wrote:Novi demoni,lizardmeni,beastmeni...sve te to opere.
Zato lepo napravis najfiniju mogucu kombinaciju tvoje armija, uključiš što više jedinica, da lista dobije na raznovrsnosti, pa ako izubis i nije strašno . Naravno, ne treba preterivati
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Bla, bla, bla... Moj tata je jači od tvog... Jel ti to pokusavas da oteras čoveka iz hobby-a?! Daj iscooliraj malo!orome pancevo wrote:Ajde da ti objasnim sve polako.Dakle ja postavim na tablu karaktere i treemene i to u sumu.Znaci nista me ne vidi.Mozes da me gadjas samo anvilom i samo po treemenima.Pa gadjaj...neces ga ubiti ni za tri partije.Kada suma dodje do tebe,treemeni izadju iz sume i stanu iza nje tako da ih opet ne vidis.U predposlednjem potezu izadju dryade,ali tako da ih ne vidis sa organima(to uradim tako sto blokiram LoS sumom)Ti opalis bolterima,ubijes jedno 4-5,anvilom mi recimo ubijes celu jednu jedinicu.
U poslednjem potezu te pocistim sa table,jer to sto si imun na fear ti i nije od velike pomoci od 10-12 napada snage 4.
Over and out! 8)
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Da li si prvo pogledao njegovu listu pre nego sto si nakacio komentar?
Ne pokusavam nikoga da oteram iz hobija,samo mu ukazujem da ovako extremna armija ne funkcionise bas najbolje.
Ne pokusavam nikoga da oteram iz hobija,samo mu ukazujem da ovako extremna armija ne funkcionise bas najbolje.
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
orome pancevo wrote:Da li si prvo pogledao njegovu listu pre nego sto si nakacio komentar?
Da. Pusti čoveka nek se igra. Iskustvo će ga naučiti šta je dobro, a šta nije u ovoj igri...
Lošu metodu si izabrao za to :P tako ništa nećeš postićiorome pancevo wrote:samo mu ukazujem da ovako extremna armija ne funkcionise bas najbolje.
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
On moze da stavi RoBurning na sve, ukljucujuci i perorez kojim pravi sviraljku, a moj tata je Spajdermen...orome pancevo wrote:Novi demoni,lizardmeni,beastmeni...sve te to opere.Da ne pominjem Drychu+3 spellsingera+2 treemena+jedno 60 dryada!Postavim na tablu karaktere i treemene,i to u sumu.Onda ti je dovezem ispred nosa(a mogu,jer na tvojih 7 DD+neki skroll ide mojih 10 PD-gde bacam 5*treesinging+4 bound spella istog)u 2 max 3 potezu.Onda odatle iskoci more dryada ti imas 1 potez da opalis po njima,i dobio sam te masakrom.
To je teorija,malo je teze u praksi,ali do kraja partije bih te sigurno masakrirao.Isto ide i sa ostalim armijama koje sam naveo(verovatno sam jos neke zaboravio).
Dakle,fale ti blokovi-warriori,longbirdi,slayeri,mineri!
Da,ostale armije ce se sakriti iza terena i cekace poslednji potez da uzmu cetvrtine.
Toliko od mene! 8)
Pazi vamo:
Na stranu ko moze dalje da dopisa... Ova lista ima skoro pa turnirski potencijal iz najgorih dana.
Nije lako da je bilo ko opere, ako ne dodje eksplicitno pripravljen da se ganja BAS protiv takve liste...
Prednosti su jako pucanje, jaka odbrana od magije i solidni T i Ld samih patuljaka. Najveca prednost je u tome sto lista moze da predstavlja izvrstan Points Denial. Za vas koji ne volite da citate clanke o taktici: Sve jedinice su relativno jeftine, tako da mozes da se naubijas, ali neces skupiti dovoljno poena za bitniju razliku...
Ova lista ipak SMRDI, do povracanja, slozicu se.
Evo ga Battle rep.:
TURN 1:
U ovom krugu (dobio patuljak +1 na ko ce prvi jer ima 4 jedinice (2xThund + 1xCross + Sve masine zajedno) + heroje) Patuljak je pucao. naneo je nesto stete. protivnik se malo kretao.
TURN 2:
U ovom krugu patuljak je pucao. Naneo je jos nesto stete. Protivnik se jos malo kretao. Anvil ga je sprecio da organizuje kombinovani charge, pa je ostalo da ga pripremi za sledeci krug.
TURN 3:
U ovom krugu patuljak je pucao. Naneo je jos stete. Protivnik je deklarisao chargeve, malo umro od stand and shoot, ali ne strasno. Ponegde je cak uspeo i da probije ponesto, ali vecina ceka sledeci krug.
TURN 4: Patuljak je pucao u sve sto nije u CC. Opet malo stete. Protivnik je repozicionirao trupe koje su bile slobodne u TURN 3 spremajuci ih za novi charge. Ponesto od CC je uspeo da privede kraju, a neki jos odolevaju (ah ti chaleneges+stubborn, ili unbreakable...)
TURN 5: Patuljak sve maje puca. Ipak ubije po malo. Charges, reposition and CC protiv tvrdih meta.
TURN 6: Vidi TURN 5.
Cenim da je partija bila strasno nezanimljiva, narocito za protivnika. Mada, i meni bi bilo malo monotono da od 6 krugova i 2.5h igranja ja igram samo jednu fazu?
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
Re: Diskusije o army listama
O&G sa velikim blokovima pešadije (po 30), fanaticima i čukama i doom diverima može da stigne do patuljaka u 3. krugu (uz waagh) a onda baš i neće imati pravog otpora.
Druga varijanta Imperija sa 3 topa i helstromom može do trećeg kruga da prepolovi artiljeriju.
Druga varijanta Imperija sa 3 topa i helstromom može do trećeg kruga da prepolovi artiljeriju.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.
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Ne ljudi,protiv takve imperije patuljak anvilom pobije posadu topova,plus i neke masine gadjaju topove.
Orkovi da,tako sto sve svoje blokove razvije u 1 red i sve napred,gde ce ovi bolteri ubijati po (recimo)4 orka po krugu 8O !
A i gomila drugih armija je savlada,i ako nisu samo protiv nje pravljene.I bla,bla,bla...i tako dalje,ne mogu vise da objasnjavam. :D
Orkovi da,tako sto sve svoje blokove razvije u 1 red i sve napred,gde ce ovi bolteri ubijati po (recimo)4 orka po krugu 8O !
A i gomila drugih armija je savlada,i ako nisu samo protiv nje pravljene.I bla,bla,bla...i tako dalje,ne mogu vise da objasnjavam. :D
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
Voleo bih da vidim sta su drugi osmislili za nove dark elfove... za sada, najgore sto sam uspeo da smislim je:
v1.
lord imun na pish, regen, manticora, shield, sea d. c., S6
hero sa onim ward saveom, manticorom, blood armor, shield, sdc, beast masters scourge
magica sa 1 dis. scroll, i onim sacrifice daggerom
20 spearmena sa muzicarem (za sakrifikovanje)
10 harpija
10 harpija
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
4 kocije
2 war hidre
i ostane jos 46 poena na raspolaganju (jos spearmena verovatno...)
v2.
lord imun na pish, regen, manticora, shield, sea d. c., S6
hero sa onim ward saveom, manticorom, blood armor, shield, sdc, beast masters scourge
magica sa 2 dis. scroll
10 harpija
10 harpija
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
4 kocije
2 war hidre
gde ostaje jos 82 poena da se rasporedi. To je recimo unit od 10 spearmena koji drzi neku tablu, ili eventualno full unit, a da se smanje harpije.
v1.
lord imun na pish, regen, manticora, shield, sea d. c., S6
hero sa onim ward saveom, manticorom, blood armor, shield, sdc, beast masters scourge
magica sa 1 dis. scroll, i onim sacrifice daggerom
20 spearmena sa muzicarem (za sakrifikovanje)
10 harpija
10 harpija
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
4 kocije
2 war hidre
i ostane jos 46 poena na raspolaganju (jos spearmena verovatno...)
v2.
lord imun na pish, regen, manticora, shield, sea d. c., S6
hero sa onim ward saveom, manticorom, blood armor, shield, sdc, beast masters scourge
magica sa 2 dis. scroll
10 harpija
10 harpija
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
5 dark ridera sa muzicarem
4 kocije
2 war hidre
gde ostaje jos 82 poena da se rasporedi. To je recimo unit od 10 spearmena koji drzi neku tablu, ili eventualno full unit, a da se smanje harpije.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
jos nisam roster skrckao, ali
do 4(5)xterror
dzabaka pesadija koja pri tome ubija,
letaci
laka konjica
...
pa biraj...
mozda jos malo pesadije, a ne samo to sto je Џ.В. nabrojao, ali tu je...
do 4(5)xterror
dzabaka pesadija koja pri tome ubija,
letaci
laka konjica
...
pa biraj...
mozda jos malo pesadije, a ne samo to sto je Џ.В. nabrojao, ali tu je...
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
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Ne mogu da verujem da nikome nisu simpatichni asasini. :P
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Ja nisam skoro nikada imao listu bez assassina...
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Ma assassini su super, ali eto imaju taj problem da moraju da budu u jedinici pesadije, a to nekako ne zelis na turniru.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Sa Shade-ma! Sad mogu i GW da uzimaju, tako da zajedno sa Assassinom postaju odlichna diverzantska jedinica!Dzon Vejn wrote:Ma assassini su super, ali eto imaju taj problem da moraju da budu u jedinici pesadije, a to nekako ne zelis na turniru.
Ili druga varijanta: u hevi medzik armiju. Uzimamo odred Warriora (20 kom. sa muzikom, zastavom, kopljima i shtitovima), tuda ubacujemo Supreme Sorcu sa sacr. daggerom i mladju Sorcu s imunom na psih i Assassina s manbane i rune of Khaine, koji ce shtititi Sorce!
Magija je postala odlichna + 5 lora na izbor. A sacr. dagger je super stvar...
2 Hidre \:D/ Mislim, da cemo malo armija videti bez nih... Samo, ako hocesh specijalno da oslabish svoju armiju
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I onda neko dune i vatru sune (pitam se ko... ), i tu jedinicu od 4624872952 poena ubije brutalno..... Uzimamo odred Warriora (20 kom. sa muzikom, zastavom, kopljima i shtitovima), tuda ubacujemo Supreme Sorcu sa sacr. daggerom i mladju Sorcu s imunom na psih i Assassina s manbane i rune of Khaine, koji ce shtititi Sorce!
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Sta ti znas o warhammeru... ajde ponavljaj sad lepo: "pesadinci su najbolji uniti u WH". :lol:Pendargon wrote:I onda neko dune i vatru sune (pitam se ko... ), i tu jedinicu od 4624872952 poena ubije brutalno..... Uzimamo odred Warriora (20 kom. sa muzikom, zastavom, kopljima i shtitovima), tuda ubacujemo Supreme Sorcu sa sacr. daggerom i mladju Sorcu s imunom na psih i Assassina s manbane i rune of Khaine, koji ce shtititi Sorce!
Dobro, tako sam i ja kada sam pocinjao, imao neku cudnu viziju da su imperijalne pesadije ekstra (to je bilo kada nije postojao detachment special rule onakav kakav je danas)... pa sam izgubio tu viziju posle prvih par partija
Mrzi me sada da opet sabiram na papiru, ali razmisljam o v3 liste, sa 2 hidre, lordom na mantikori, i 2 karaktera na pegazima/kocijama + dispell magica.
Nisam uspeo samo da provalim 2 stvari:
1. nigde nisam primetio da su sada kocije 2/1 special slot? Ovo je izbaceno jelda?
2. da li karakter kome se kupi kocija, zauzima i special slot?
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Nema vise 2 kocije na jedan slot. A karakter u kociji zauzima 1 slot. Ali sta ce ti karakter koji besciljno ide napred 3incha u njegovoj glupoj kociji? Sem ako nema item namenjen jahacu mantikore (imun to psih).
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
I dalje mora da testira glupost - Imunost na psihologiju po 7. je samo imunost na Fear/Terror/Panic.Bathory wrote:...Sem ako nema item namenjen jahacu mantikore (imun to psih).
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
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Ako ima glupocu,imun je na psihologiju dok ne udje u cc,pa mu ni netreba taj item.Bathory wrote: Ali sta ce ti karakter koji besciljno ide napred 3incha u njegovoj glupoj kociji? Sem ako nema item namenjen jahacu mantikore (imun to psih).
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Eto to nisam znao recimo... (mora da ima veze sa tim sto sam po 7. ediciji odigrao celih 8 partija, od cega 6 na nekom turniru).
edit: mislim na cinjenicu da ako si imun na psih. nisi imun na stupid.
edit: mislim na cinjenicu da ako si imun na psih. nisi imun na stupid.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
v3.
lord na mantikori + THE talisman + THE armor + S6 magicni weapon + shield + sdc = 444
sorc. sa d.s. + dagger = 145
heroj na d.p. + blood armor + c. blade + shield + sdc = 186
heroj na d.p. + life taker + ench. shield + heavy armor + sdc = 183
10 harpija = 110
10 harpija = 110
22 warriora + musician = 135
5 dark ridera + musician = 92
5 dark ridera + musician = 92
4 chariota = 400
2 hydre = 350
v4.
lord na mantikori + THE talisman + THE armor + S6 magicni weapon + shield + sdc = 444
sorc. sa 2 d.s. = 150
heroj na d.p. + blood armor + c. blade + shield + sdc = 186
heroj na d.p. + life taker + ench. shield + heavy armor + sdc = 183
10 harpija = 110
10 harpija = 110
10 warriora sa repeatxbow + muzicar = 105
10 warriora sa repeatxbow + muzicar = 105
10 warriora sa repeatxbow + muzicar = 105
4 chariota = 400
2 hydre = 350
lord na mantikori + THE talisman + THE armor + S6 magicni weapon + shield + sdc = 444
sorc. sa d.s. + dagger = 145
heroj na d.p. + blood armor + c. blade + shield + sdc = 186
heroj na d.p. + life taker + ench. shield + heavy armor + sdc = 183
10 harpija = 110
10 harpija = 110
22 warriora + musician = 135
5 dark ridera + musician = 92
5 dark ridera + musician = 92
4 chariota = 400
2 hydre = 350
v4.
lord na mantikori + THE talisman + THE armor + S6 magicni weapon + shield + sdc = 444
sorc. sa 2 d.s. = 150
heroj na d.p. + blood armor + c. blade + shield + sdc = 186
heroj na d.p. + life taker + ench. shield + heavy armor + sdc = 183
10 harpija = 110
10 harpija = 110
10 warriora sa repeatxbow + muzicar = 105
10 warriora sa repeatxbow + muzicar = 105
10 warriora sa repeatxbow + muzicar = 105
4 chariota = 400
2 hydre = 350
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Dakako si sve bolji. Cinjenica da si za kratko vreme skrckao 4 ozbiljne liste kazuje o upotrebnoj vrednosti novih DE. Ne sumnjam da moze da se napravi i konkurentska (mozda ne bas toliko kao tvoje) lista koja ce upotrebiti i neke od "specijalnijih" i svakako specificnijih jedinica...
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
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Pa kada bi se sastavljala lista koja nije pravljena da izvrdava pravilima, DE bi svakako imali jednu od jacih lista. HE bi im bili egal, mada mislim da bi u toj varijanti preovladali DE zbog totalnog hejtrejda protiv HE.
Nazalost, takve liste mogu da se vide samo kod mene kuci
Nazalost, takve liste mogu da se vide samo kod mene kuci
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
ako vam treba link za Army builder 2 ili 3 za nove DE posaljute mi pm....
inace evo liste kakvu bi ja probao u prvoj partiji cisto da vidim kako koja jedinica funkcionishe:
Master:
-gw,SDC,Heavy Armour,Ring of darkness
Sorc:2xDispel scroll
Death hag:
-CoB
Assasin:2nd hand weapon, rune of khaine
20xCorsairs Full command Sea Serpent Standard
10x Repeater Crossbowmen
5xDark riders
10x Cold One Knights: Champion (nosi immune to psyh item) i standard
16xExecutioners Full Command
13x BG full command standar of har Graef, champion nosi Crismon Death
Warr Hydra
2xRBT
ovo je vishe frendly lista, sa dosta mana al uskoro cu sastaviti pravu listu
inace evo liste kakvu bi ja probao u prvoj partiji cisto da vidim kako koja jedinica funkcionishe:
Master:
-gw,SDC,Heavy Armour,Ring of darkness
Sorc:2xDispel scroll
Death hag:
-CoB
Assasin:2nd hand weapon, rune of khaine
20xCorsairs Full command Sea Serpent Standard
10x Repeater Crossbowmen
5xDark riders
10x Cold One Knights: Champion (nosi immune to psyh item) i standard
16xExecutioners Full Command
13x BG full command standar of har Graef, champion nosi Crismon Death
Warr Hydra
2xRBT
ovo je vishe frendly lista, sa dosta mana al uskoro cu sastaviti pravu listu
Re: Diskusije o army listama
1 bok ce ti ostati prazan i na njega ce te naslagati (imas 2 boka, na jednom je konjica, drugi je prazan).
Nemas resenje za skirmishere, niti za kocije.
Pesadinske jedinice ne vrede. Pesadinske jedinice bez 4 reda ne vrede ama bas nicemu. Morao bi da imas barem 20 modela u svakom unitu.
Nemas resenje za skirmishere, niti za kocije.
Pesadinske jedinice ne vrede. Pesadinske jedinice bez 4 reda ne vrede ama bas nicemu. Morao bi da imas barem 20 modela u svakom unitu.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Dzonova lista za delfove je manje vise njihov maximum. Mozda bi izmenio nesto po karakterima, i probao sa jednom hydrom i blackguardom, ali to je u principu to... (uostalom tako nesto sam i igrao na pretproslom uprisingu)
E sad pravi problem ove, i svih delfovskih lista je to sto oni sem charga lorda i heroja, koji su S6+ nemaju nista sto moze posteno da udari, naravno pricam o turnirskom igranju. To znaci da ce se odbiti o bretoniju a sve ostale liste ce ih lagano upucati i umadjijati. Pored novih armija (doduse ne igram zadnjih godinu i po) mislim da nemaju neke vece sanse (tenkovi,altari,trimeni,vampiri).
Eto, tako GW kaznjava kad nisi popularan
E sad pravi problem ove, i svih delfovskih lista je to sto oni sem charga lorda i heroja, koji su S6+ nemaju nista sto moze posteno da udari, naravno pricam o turnirskom igranju. To znaci da ce se odbiti o bretoniju a sve ostale liste ce ih lagano upucati i umadjijati. Pored novih armija (doduse ne igram zadnjih godinu i po) mislim da nemaju neke vece sanse (tenkovi,altari,trimeni,vampiri).
Eto, tako GW kaznjava kad nisi popularan
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Pa sa ovom mojom listom (v3 i v4), imas lorda koji ima snagu 6 (sto je 5+ save za konjicu) i heroja koji ima +3S u charge-u (sto je save 6+ za konjicu).
Hydre zaista trebas da imas 2, jer imaju previse woundova (zbog regeneracije).
Mislim da bi sa ovom listom osusio wood elfove, sa sve 2 trimena. Oni imaju mnogo pucanja, ali nemaju odgovor na toliko mnogo modela sa velikim T, plus ti imas hate, a kada ga zavezes u CC (u 2. krugu u tvom slucaju), za njega je gotova partija.
Mislim da cak ni sa imperijom nemas problem, ali to mozemo da testiramo vec u nedelju.
HE i vampire nisam jos izlistao, tako da to ne znam stvarno. Ja bhi na PM high elfove ako moze? Mislim naravno da ne zelim piratsku knjigu, u pdf obliku, niti ista slicno... samo onako ukratko da mi neko izvede sta imaju .
edit: sto se tice linka za AB2 i AB3, to se moze slobodno staviti ovde, jer mi svi imamo legalne kopije AB2 i AB3
Hydre zaista trebas da imas 2, jer imaju previse woundova (zbog regeneracije).
Mislim da bi sa ovom listom osusio wood elfove, sa sve 2 trimena. Oni imaju mnogo pucanja, ali nemaju odgovor na toliko mnogo modela sa velikim T, plus ti imas hate, a kada ga zavezes u CC (u 2. krugu u tvom slucaju), za njega je gotova partija.
Mislim da cak ni sa imperijom nemas problem, ali to mozemo da testiramo vec u nedelju.
HE i vampire nisam jos izlistao, tako da to ne znam stvarno. Ja bhi na PM high elfove ako moze? Mislim naravno da ne zelim piratsku knjigu, u pdf obliku, niti ista slicno... samo onako ukratko da mi neko izvede sta imaju .
edit: sto se tice linka za AB2 i AB3, to se moze slobodno staviti ovde, jer mi svi imamo legalne kopije AB2 i AB3
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
evo drugi pokusaj
Dreadlord: Armor of ethernal servitude, 2xNull shard, Caledors bane, Cold One, Heavy armour, SDC
Sorc: 2x DS
Death Hag: CoB
Assasin: 2nd had weapon, rune of khaine
20xcorsair full command ,sea serpent standard
10xcrossbowmen, champion
5xdark riders
Chariot
10xCold One knights Full command (immune to psyh item)
20xExecutioners Full Command war banner
2xRBT
war hydra
za AB 3.1 http://hosted.filefront.com/lacyj3aolcom/
za AB 2 http://www.box.net/shared/2t7gcs3k0k
imaju nekoliko nedostataka ali je u principu skoro sve tu....... :D
Dreadlord: Armor of ethernal servitude, 2xNull shard, Caledors bane, Cold One, Heavy armour, SDC
Sorc: 2x DS
Death Hag: CoB
Assasin: 2nd had weapon, rune of khaine
20xcorsair full command ,sea serpent standard
10xcrossbowmen, champion
5xdark riders
Chariot
10xCold One knights Full command (immune to psyh item)
20xExecutioners Full Command war banner
2xRBT
war hydra
za AB 3.1 http://hosted.filefront.com/lacyj3aolcom/
za AB 2 http://www.box.net/shared/2t7gcs3k0k
imaju nekoliko nedostataka ali je u principu skoro sve tu....... :D
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
Ovo ti je vec bolje (za friendly partije...)
Imam utisak, na osnovu toga kako si slozio listu, da mislis da je assassin karakter - sto on nije ... cisto da znas da imas jos 1 karakter slot free
Imam utisak, na osnovu toga kako si slozio listu, da mislis da je assassin karakter - sto on nije ... cisto da znas da imas jos 1 karakter slot free
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
znam....da imam dovoljno poena ubacio 2-3 al ponasaju se skroz kao karakteri sem deploymenta....razmisljam mozda da ubacim BSB sa asf bannerom u executionere.....time bi bila neka DE varijanta swordmastera......hteo bi takodje da probam BG al dobro iam vremena -)))
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
Sa druge strane pozitivna stvar je da glupost prestaje cim udjes u CC.Dzon Vejn wrote:...edit: mislim na cinjenicu da ako si imun na psih. nisi imun na stupid.
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Sve jedno... taj item je prvenstveno namenjen za manticore-u, ali posto ne radi na nju, ja ne vidim neku posebnu svrhu tom itemu. Mozda eventualno da magica uzme to plus dagger pa da moze da kolje do mile volje.bojan wrote:Sa druge strane pozitivna stvar je da glupost prestaje cim udjes u CC.Dzon Vejn wrote:...edit: mislim na cinjenicu da ako si imun na psih. nisi imun na stupid.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Evo i moje delfovske liste
Lista Bathoryja 'sirotinje' (1 hydra )
Lord, lance, sea dragon cloak, shield, armor za regen, onaj ward pendant, potion of strength (za snagu 9 protiv kanti ili za napad st6 lanceom pa st7 u drugom krugu), velika domaca zivotinja 455 poena
Master, lance, sdc,h.armor, ench.shield, lifetaker, dark pegasus 187 poena
Master, crimson death st6, arm of darkness 1+, dark pegasus 180 poena
Sorceress lvl2, 2x dispel 180
3x5 dark riders sa muzikantima 276
2x9 sisate nakaze 198
3x glupe kocije 300
14 klot blekgardista 182
JEDNA, da jedna jedina sirotinjska sklepana hydra 175
2133 poena
+ 1 sisata nakaza=2144
Lista Bathoryja 'sirotinje' (1 hydra )
Lord, lance, sea dragon cloak, shield, armor za regen, onaj ward pendant, potion of strength (za snagu 9 protiv kanti ili za napad st6 lanceom pa st7 u drugom krugu), velika domaca zivotinja 455 poena
Master, lance, sdc,h.armor, ench.shield, lifetaker, dark pegasus 187 poena
Master, crimson death st6, arm of darkness 1+, dark pegasus 180 poena
Sorceress lvl2, 2x dispel 180
3x5 dark riders sa muzikantima 276
2x9 sisate nakaze 198
3x glupe kocije 300
14 klot blekgardista 182
JEDNA, da jedna jedina sirotinjska sklepana hydra 175
2133 poena
+ 1 sisata nakaza=2144
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
Kako koje.Pucacke vrlo verovatno,mada tesko da bi ih masakrirao.Fighterske...no,no. 8)Dzon Vejn wrote:Mislim da bi sa ovom listom osusio wood elfove, sa sve 2 trimena. Oni imaju mnogo pucanja, ali nemaju odgovor na toliko mnogo modela sa velikim T, plus ti imas hate, a kada ga zavezes u CC (u 2. krugu u tvom slucaju), za njega je gotova partija.
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Re: Diskusije o army listama
[quote="
E sad pravi problem ove, i svih delfovskih lista je to sto oni sem charga lorda i heroja, koji su S6+ nemaju nista sto moze posteno da udari, naravno pricam o turnirskom igranju.
Eto, tako GW kaznjava kad nisi popularan [/quote]
u ovoj listi posteno udaraju hidre...al inace jeidnice koje istu imaju S6 su Cok i Exec tako da sad DElfovi imaju vise jedinica sa vecim Str....
E sad pravi problem ove, i svih delfovskih lista je to sto oni sem charga lorda i heroja, koji su S6+ nemaju nista sto moze posteno da udari, naravno pricam o turnirskom igranju.
Eto, tako GW kaznjava kad nisi popularan [/quote]
u ovoj listi posteno udaraju hidre...al inace jeidnice koje istu imaju S6 su Cok i Exec tako da sad DElfovi imaju vise jedinica sa vecim Str....
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Nemoj tako, poslednji Uprising je, sa izuzetkom tenkova i papamobila, video prilicno lepe i solidno balansirane liste svih armija. Uz malu doradu tih pravila (narocito oko magije) doslo bi se do lepog turnira na kome se vode raznolike liste, a tu bi DE mogli da zablistaju, ne zbog udaraca, ili jednostranog pucanja, vec zbog lepe, jake i ne preskupe pesadije i nadasve brze i raznolike ostale armije koja moze da je iskoristi i podrzi. Broj lista koje mogu da se konkurentno igraju na takvom turniru u DE armiji je, vec na prvi pogled, prilicno veliki.Dzon Vejn wrote:Nazalost, takve liste mogu da se vide samo kod mene kuci
Sa OTT turnirima je problem u tome sto armije uglavnom i imaju po jednu OTT listu do koje se dolazi rafiniranjem v3.xyz ...
Sto se tice pesadije, one imperijalne, dodje covek na GT u Amerikama, izveo listu punu pesaka, svi ga gledaju, kazu "odlepio..." On se pokloni, pocne i uzme GT... Sve sa specijalnim karakterima i slicno... Ali nije igrao sportski, koristio covek taktiku protiv svojih protivnika...
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
Re: Diskusije o army listama
mozda postajem dosadan......al evo jos jedne liste xD
ovu listu cu prvu izvoditi posto jedino za nju imam sve figure
Dreadlord: Dark Pegy, Lance, Armor za regen, Inverse ward,shield,SDC 285
Sorc:2xDS 150
Hag:CoB 200
Hag:BSB,Banner of Har Graef,Dance of Doom
Assasin:2nd hand weapon, Rune of Khaine, Touch of Death
10xrepeator Crossbowmen: Chapmion 100
10x repeater Crossbowmen:Champion 100
5x Dark Riders 85
Chariot 100
20xExocutioners: Full Command, War banner
6xCold One Knights:Full Command:Null Shard
War hydra
2RBT
ovu listu cu prvu izvoditi posto jedino za nju imam sve figure
Dreadlord: Dark Pegy, Lance, Armor za regen, Inverse ward,shield,SDC 285
Sorc:2xDS 150
Hag:CoB 200
Hag:BSB,Banner of Har Graef,Dance of Doom
Assasin:2nd hand weapon, Rune of Khaine, Touch of Death
10xrepeator Crossbowmen: Chapmion 100
10x repeater Crossbowmen:Champion 100
5x Dark Riders 85
Chariot 100
20xExocutioners: Full Command, War banner
6xCold One Knights:Full Command:Null Shard
War hydra
2RBT
Re: Diskusije o army listama
ovo deluje preslabo. jedna jedinica pesadije, jedna jedinica konjice, 2xstrelci, jedna laka konjica, jedna hidra, dve masine i heroji... moze li magija da to sve kompenzuje?
general je zanimljiv. jeftin i brz. stvarno mi se dopada.
general je zanimljiv. jeftin i brz. stvarno mi se dopada.
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
Re: Diskusije o army listama
znam...al to ej jedino sto mogu za sad da izvedem.....izvodicu onu listu koju sma postavio pre ove kad nabavim jos 5 CoK i jos 10 Corsaira...inace poenta ove liste je da su Exec sa BSBom i assasinom jedinica koja je zaduzena da prima chargeve dok bi konjica/kocija/hidra trebale da flankuju, CoB sam zaista hteo da isprobam posto sam iskonvertovao svoj, on bi davao ward 5+ (da odole shootingu i magiji dok ne dodju do CCa) executionerima i stubborn a napade Cold Oneovima.....Lord bi posto je veoma zilav i ne tako vredan u poenima jurio da skida skirmishere i war mashine a kasnije bi ufario u flank/rear necega sto je vec u kombatu.....znam da taktika ima dosta propusta al moram prvo da igram da vidim sta jos d adoterujem (nisam igrao veoma dugo tako da sam apsolutni pocetnik)
Re: Diskusije o army listama
Vampire Lord
-Level 4 Wizard
----
Vampiric:
-Master of the Black Arts
-Dark Acolyte
-Lord of the Dead
----
Magical:
-Blood Drinker
-Staff of Damnation
-Nightshroud
----
Points: 450
Heavy caster. Ide u Grave Guard i heeluje ih sa Blood Drinkerom. Staff of Damnation da garda udara
Wight King (BSB)
-BSB
-Skeletal Steed
-(Wight) Lance
-The Royal Banner of Strigos
Points: 162
Ide u 5 crnih vitezova
Necromancer
Spell: Vanhels Danse Macabre
Item: The Book of Arkhan
Corpse Cart
w/ Lodestone
Points: 190
Ide u skeletone 1
Necromancer
Spells: Raise Dead
Item: Sceptre de Noirot
Corpse Cart
w/ Lodestone
Points: 180
Ide u skeletone 2
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10x Skeleton Warriors
Hand Weapons and Shields
Full Command
Points: 100
da se dignu (8 PD na 3+ = D6+1 kostura )
10x Skeleton Warriors
Spears and Shields
Full Command
Points: 110
da se dignu u prvom krugu
10x Ghouls
Points: 80
idu na jedan bok pored skeleta
10x Ghouls
Points: 80
idu na drugi bok pored skeleta
5x Dire Wolves
Points: 40
Idu zajedno sa varghulfom sa ponistavaju redove, ili love masine
--------------------------------------------
18x Grave Guard
Great Weapons
Full Command
Banner of the Barrows
Points: 309
Imaji +1 to hit (necromanser moze baciti macabre da rr), i GW. Imaju sanse da ASF jer se nalaze izmedju 2 jedinice skeleta i tu je lord da ih heeluje blood drinkerom ili IoN-om
5x Black Knights
Full Command
Banner of Hellish Vigour
Points: 175
Wight King ide ovde da bi dobili rr. Imaju ovaj banner jer idu na levi bok
6x Black Knights
Full Command
Banner of the Dead Legion
Points: 199
US 24, klasicna fora koja moze biti prilicno neprijatna protivniku. Idu na desni bok sa varghulfom (daje im march)
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Varghulf
Points: 175
Zna se sta radi ova zivotinja
Power Dice: 10 + 4 Bound Spells
Dispel Dice: 6
Points: 2250
***E sad ova lista radi posao vrhunski ako cart zauzima 8 pesaka. Razmisljam se da stavim necrou umesto sceptra (koji moze biti prilicno koristan, stvori se i najmanje 10 zombija koji ti ulete u ledja i sa +3 na cr) black periapt i magiju macabre. Razmisljao sam takodje da skinem loadstonove i da stavim kostima War Banner & Onaj sto daje +4 na redove....
Sta mislite o listi, komentari pozeljni 8)
-Level 4 Wizard
----
Vampiric:
-Master of the Black Arts
-Dark Acolyte
-Lord of the Dead
----
Magical:
-Blood Drinker
-Staff of Damnation
-Nightshroud
----
Points: 450
Heavy caster. Ide u Grave Guard i heeluje ih sa Blood Drinkerom. Staff of Damnation da garda udara
Wight King (BSB)
-BSB
-Skeletal Steed
-(Wight) Lance
-The Royal Banner of Strigos
Points: 162
Ide u 5 crnih vitezova
Necromancer
Spell: Vanhels Danse Macabre
Item: The Book of Arkhan
Corpse Cart
w/ Lodestone
Points: 190
Ide u skeletone 1
Necromancer
Spells: Raise Dead
Item: Sceptre de Noirot
Corpse Cart
w/ Lodestone
Points: 180
Ide u skeletone 2
--------------------------------------------------
10x Skeleton Warriors
Hand Weapons and Shields
Full Command
Points: 100
da se dignu (8 PD na 3+ = D6+1 kostura )
10x Skeleton Warriors
Spears and Shields
Full Command
Points: 110
da se dignu u prvom krugu
10x Ghouls
Points: 80
idu na jedan bok pored skeleta
10x Ghouls
Points: 80
idu na drugi bok pored skeleta
5x Dire Wolves
Points: 40
Idu zajedno sa varghulfom sa ponistavaju redove, ili love masine
--------------------------------------------
18x Grave Guard
Great Weapons
Full Command
Banner of the Barrows
Points: 309
Imaji +1 to hit (necromanser moze baciti macabre da rr), i GW. Imaju sanse da ASF jer se nalaze izmedju 2 jedinice skeleta i tu je lord da ih heeluje blood drinkerom ili IoN-om
5x Black Knights
Full Command
Banner of Hellish Vigour
Points: 175
Wight King ide ovde da bi dobili rr. Imaju ovaj banner jer idu na levi bok
6x Black Knights
Full Command
Banner of the Dead Legion
Points: 199
US 24, klasicna fora koja moze biti prilicno neprijatna protivniku. Idu na desni bok sa varghulfom (daje im march)
--------------------------------------------------
Varghulf
Points: 175
Zna se sta radi ova zivotinja
Power Dice: 10 + 4 Bound Spells
Dispel Dice: 6
Points: 2250
***E sad ova lista radi posao vrhunski ako cart zauzima 8 pesaka. Razmisljam se da stavim necrou umesto sceptra (koji moze biti prilicno koristan, stvori se i najmanje 10 zombija koji ti ulete u ledja i sa +3 na cr) black periapt i magiju macabre. Razmisljao sam takodje da skinem loadstonove i da stavim kostima War Banner & Onaj sto daje +4 na redove....
Sta mislite o listi, komentari pozeljni 8)