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Rasprave ovog tipa-ti si broken,ne ti si...a necu da se igram...jasnije?
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milosh wrote:Keeper of secrets, mag 4. nivoa, 100 poena giftova (menjaju se u zavisnosti od protivnika) - 670 poena

E ljudi aj pomagajte. Nisam valjda toliko zardjao za WH... Na koju foru KoS moze da uzima giftove? Zar on vec nema odredjena sranja koja koristi? i kako 670pts? Jel ovo neka posebna lista, ili su novi haosi izasli a ja nisam obavesten?!
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milos wrote:
milosh wrote:Keeper of secrets, mag 4. nivoa, 100 poena giftova (menjaju se u zavisnosti od protivnika) - 670 poena

E ljudi aj pomagajte. Nisam valjda toliko zardjao za WH... Na koju foru KoS moze da uzima giftove? Zar on vec nema odredjena sranja koja koristi? i kako 670pts? Jel ovo neka posebna lista, ili su novi haosi izasli a ja nisam obavesten?!
Zardjao si ;) Izasla je nova demonska knjiga u maju.
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So the student has become the master... :D
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Kako vam se cini lista za turnir (sledeci HS turnir)?

1 * Alter Highborn @ 287 Pts
Alter; Great Weapon; Longbow; Light Armour; Shield
Bow of Loren [35]
Arcane Bodkins [25]
Amaranthine Brooch [35]

1 * Wild Rider Noble @ 172 Pts
General; Wild Rider; Spear; Longbow; Light Armour
Sword of Might [20]
Hail of Doom Arrow [30]
1 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts

1 Spellsinger @ 140 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Dispel Scroll [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]

1 Spellsinger @ 140 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Dispel Scroll [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]

8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts

5 Glade Riders @ 129 Pts
Spear; Longbow; Musician
5 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts

7 Wild Riders @ 182 Pts
Spear; Light Armour; Musician
7 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts

3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts

1 Treeman @ 285 Pts
1 Treeman @ 285 Pts

Casting Pool: 4
Dispel Pool: 4
Models in Army: 51
Total Army Cost: 2493
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Imas gresku,wild rider hero ne moze da nosi hail of doom.
Inace lista je ok.Licno,ne svidja mi se alter lord,umire od povetarca.Umesto 2 wild ridera,dodaj im punu komandu i war banner,ako planiras da ih vodis sa herojem.
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Možda da ti jedan mag bude lvl 2 sa jednim skrolom i calaingor's staffom :wink: ... i taj general ti je mnogo ranjiv - čim obavestiš protivnika da ti je on general usmeriće svu magiju i šuting na njegovu jedinicu (koja vredi preko 300 poena) ili će ga ubiti u CC i to vrlo lako...
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orome pancevo wrote:Imas gresku,wild rider hero ne moze da nosi hail of doom.
Inace lista je ok.Licno,ne svidja mi se alter lord,umire od povetarca.Umesto 2 wild ridera,dodaj im punu komandu i war banner,ako planiras da ih vodis sa herojem.
Zasto ne bi mogao? Lepo pise u FAQu za WE da mu ostaje Longbow. Ono sto ne moze da ima je Sword of Might, jer wild rider kindred moze da nosi samo magicni light armor i magicno koplje od oruzja.

Slazem se za ranjivost generala. Najbolje bi bilo da stavis da ti general bude scroll caddy koji nece pomaljati glavu iz sume, tako bar nece biti mnogo ranjiv. Meni se cini da je jedinica wild ridera prevelika (i preskupa), bice prelaka meta sa svojim T3 i maltene nikakvim saveom.
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Gorbash wrote:
orome pancevo wrote:Imas gresku,wild rider hero ne moze da nosi hail of doom.
Inace lista je ok.Licno,ne svidja mi se alter lord,umire od povetarca.Umesto 2 wild ridera,dodaj im punu komandu i war banner,ako planiras da ih vodis sa herojem.
Zasto ne bi mogao? Lepo pise u FAQu za WE da mu ostaje Longbow. Ono sto ne moze da ima je Sword of Might, jer wild rider kindred moze da nosi samo magicni light armor i magicno koplje od oruzja.
Nisam video taj faq.
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1 * Alter Highborn @ 287 Pts
Alter; Great Weapon; Longbow; Light Armour; Shield
Bow of Loren [35]
Arcane Bodkins [25]
Amaranthine Brooch [35]

Batali altera pucaca, suvise je prijateljski nastrojen za turnir, bolje uzmi ovog:

1 * Alter Highborn @ 282 Pts
Alter; Great Weapon; Longbow; Light Armour; Shield
An Annoyance of Netlings 25
The Helm of The Hunt 20
Stone of The Crystal Mere 30
Gwytherc's Horn 15

1 * Wild Rider Noble @ 172 Pts
General; Wild Rider; Spear; Longbow; Light Armour
Sword of Might [20]
Hail of Doom Arrow [30]
1 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts

Ili Hail of Doom ili The Spear of Twilight(bolje ovo drugo). Wild Rider karakter je baja(mozda bi cak mogao da uzmes lorda WR), pogotovu sa spirom i uopste nije toliko ranjiv. Prakticno je ne moguce skoncentrisati vatru na jednu protivnicku jedinicu pogotovu ne na laku konjicu koja se krece na nekom boku. A i ako protivnik bas toliko hoce da saradjuje i sve baci na tvoju laku konjicu onda ce alter, treekini, treemeni opusteno da se prosetaju i da mu objasne par stvari.

1 Spellsinger @ 140 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Dispel Scroll [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]

1 Spellsinger @ 140 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Dispel Scroll [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]

Popni ih na drugi nivo i jednom daj Calaingor's Stave

8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts

Ovo je ok.

5 Glade Riders @ 129 Pts
Spear; Longbow; Musician
5 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts

Takodje ok.

7 Wild Riders @ 182 Pts
Spear; Light Armour; Musician
7 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts

Wild Rideri su baje i oni imaju sve sto im treba, pogotovu po novoj errati gde heroj ima luk i cak i mount dobija +1A u svakoj rundi kombata osim kada cardzuju. Kupi im Wild Huntera, standard i War Banner.

3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts

Ok.

1 Treeman @ 285 Pts
1 Treeman @ 285 Pts

Ok.
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AKO kupim elfove od Orome-a vodicu jednu od ove dve liste:

1 * Alter Highborn @ 289 Pts
Alter; Great Weapon; Longbow; Shield
Gwytherc's Horn [15]
Amaranthine Brooch [35]
Oaken Armour [50]
1 * Alter Noble @ 158 Pts
Alter; Great Weapon; Longbow; Light Armour; Shield
Helm of the Hunt [20]
Stone of the Crystal Mere [30]
1 Spellsinger @ 175 Pts
Magic Level 2; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Calaingor's Stave [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]
1 Spellsinger @ 140 Pts
General; Magic Level 1; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Dispel Scroll [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
5 Glade Riders @ 129 Pts
Spear; Longbow; Musician
5 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts
6 Wild Riders @ 156 Pts
Spear; Light Armour; Musician
6 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
1 Treeman @ 285 Pts
1 Treeman @ 285 Pts
Casting Pool: 5
Dispel Pool: 4
Models in Army: 50
Total Army Cost: 2490

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1 Highborn @ 568 Pts
General; Longbow; Shield
Sword of Might [20]
Stone of the Crystal Mere [30]
Oaken Armour [50]
1 Green Dragon @ [320] Pts
1 * Alter Noble @ 158 Pts
Alter; Great Weapon; Longbow; Light Armour; Shield
Hail of Doom Arrow [30]
Helm of the Hunt [20]
1 Spellsinger @ 140 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Athel Loren; Longbow
Dispel Scroll [25]
Dispel Scroll [25]
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
8 Dryads @ 96 Pts
5 Glade Riders @ 129 Pts
Spear; Longbow; Musician
5 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts
6 Wild Riders @ 243 Pts
Spear; Light Armour; Standard; Musician
War Banner [25]
1 Wild Hunter @ [18] Pts
7 Elf Steed @ [0] Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
3 Treekin @ 195 Pts
1 Treeman @ 285 Pts
1 Treeman @ 285 Pts
Casting Pool: 3
Dispel Pool: 3
Models in Army: 48
Total Army Cost: 2486

Btw, gde TACNO u WE knjizi pise da dragon koga jase lord uzima hero slot? Ja nisam nasao, ali sada je kasno, mozda nisam dobro pogledao...
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Razmisli da stavis Lordu Fimbulwinter Shard.
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Strana 53, dole desno pri dnu.
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Nesto se dvoumim u vezi sa sastavljanjem moje demonske armije. Da li da budu magicna lista sa 10 PD-a ili da budu cista tabacka armija. Elem posto sam magijsku listu vec predlozio i dobio dosta saveta u vezi sa njom evo je i lista koja se bije pa ako neko ima komentar bicu mu veoma zahvalan :D

Bloodthirster, obsidian armor, sekira +1 strenght, immortal fury - 550 poena
Masque of Slaanesh - 90 poena
Nurglov herald, BSB (zastava -2 na ld), slime trail, noxious vapours - 250
Nurglov herald, slime trail, noxious vapours - 150

10 daemoneta, muzicar - 126 poena
19 plaguebearera, FC, zastava za rr to wound - 283 poena
19 plaguebearera, FC - 258 poena
8 furija - 96 poena

5 Khornovih kucica - 175

Fiend of Slaanesh - 55
3 Bloodcrushers of Khorne - 210

Ukupno 2243 poena. Ako i posle ovog turnira u novembru ostane standard da se igraju partije na 2500 poena onda dodati mozda jos jednu jedinicu kucica i jos furija.

Ono sto me zanima jeste da li vredi uzimati bloodcrushere jer su dosta skupi?
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Ne mozes imati dve iste zastave u jedinicama 1 zastava jednu druga drugu !

Ako budes raspolozen da se igras za vikend da probas ovo ja sam rad nikad nisam igrao protiv novih demona?!
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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To je stamparska greska :) prekopirao sam jedinicu a nisam izbrisao zastavu. Evo ispravih...

Inace ne mogu ja da igram sa ovom listom jer nemam jos figure tek treba da kupim. Ovo se samo raspitujem da bih znao sta da uzmem.
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milosh wrote:Nurglov herald, BSB (zastava -2 na ld), slime trail, noxious vapours - 250
Nazovi ga Kurgan i daj mu da nosi zastavu kao stari vauceri za nagrade iz Hobby Store-a (oni sa onim kao sakama i zlatnim slovima)!!! Molim te!!! :lol: :lol:
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RatGod wrote:Ne mozes imati dve iste zastave u jedinicama 1 zastava jednu druga drugu !
Mozes kod demona.
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milosh wrote: Bloodthirster, obsidian armor, sekira +1 strenght, immortal fury - 550 poena
Sekira nije sjajna jer daje flaming napade pa onda BT ne moze da ubije HE zmaja.
S10 + immortal fury. Sta te briga da li ce protivnicka oruzja raditi ako ga ucmekas sa 7 x S10 napada.
Nurglov herald, BSB (zastava -2 na ld), slime trail, noxious vapours - 250
Stavi ga na palanquin:
1. dobijesh josh 6 x S3 poison napada
2. zauzima 4 mesta u jedinici pa mozes da imas nesto veci rank bonus uz josh dva plague bearer-a.
Nurglov herald, slime trail, noxious vapours - 150
Ne treba ti bas. Mozes da probas da uzmes kornovca na juggernaut-u sa armor of khorne (0+ save, 14" charge itd) i josh nekim giftom koji ti se svidja.
19 plaguebearera, FC - 258 poena
Ako uzmes kornovca ove pretvoris u Bloodletter-e sa d6 na prvi charge.
Ono sto me zanima jeste da li vredi uzimati bloodcrushere jer su dosta skupi?
Onako. Poen za poen kucici bolje biju.
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U demonskoj listi, jedino sto mi bode oci je nedostatak dispel skrolova (odn... demonski ekvivalent - mislim da je spell breaker)... to mogu da uzmu jedino Bloodthirster i Tzeentch herald. Mislim da je nuzno dodati bar jedan... magija sa visokim casting value u pravom trenutku i svaka armija pada. Cak i sa manjim naglaskom na magiji u 7. ediciji WH, bar jedan dispel skrol po armiji je nuzan.
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BoltaFodda wrote:Cak i sa manjim naglaskom na magiji u 7. ediciji WH
Jel? Nesto nisam primetio...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Dzon Vejn wrote:
BoltaFodda wrote:Cak i sa manjim naglaskom na magiji u 7. ediciji WH
Jel? Nesto nisam primetio...
Miscastovi su gadniji, wizard moze da koristi samo svoje PD... naravno da ima izuzetaka, liste sa 2. generacijom slann (moja!!!), tomb king liste, vampiri npr. zaobilaze ova ogranicenja.
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Demonska legija, high elfovi, mortal tzeench (cak i novi), skaveni....
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Ne, miscastovi znace samo da ces vrlo verovatno uzeti pola nekog wizarda (zbog toga sto sada za 1W dobijas pola poena kod malih magova). A i to ne mora da znaci (zavisi koja snaga bude - S4 hit vecina magova moze sasvim uspesno da prezivi, a i na S10 hit imas 16% sanse da ne bude wound).

Sa druge strane jedna uspesna casandrolja u pravom trenutku moze da skine pola armije nekome (a casandrolja nije nista specijalna u poredjenju sa nekim drugim magijama). ;)

Naravno sve ovo i dalje nema nikakve veze, jer i dalje nije bitna armija protiv koje igras nego covek protiv koga igras, a to je nesto sto ni jedna edicija ne moze da "popravi" - pa ce ti tako sa nekim ljudima biti zabavno da igras bez obzira koliko zlu listu da izvedu, dok ce ti protiv drugih biti uzasno dosadno i naporno, makar izveli i naj-friendly listu ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Pendargon wrote:Demonska legija, high elfovi, mortal tzeench (cak i novi), skaveni....
Ok... demoni mogu zahvaljujuci cinjenici da su blokovi horrora efektivno magovi neosetljivi na miscast. High elfovi mogu da izvedu jednog wizard lorda i napune ga PD kroz jedan magicni banner plus on moze da ponese stvarcice protiv miscasta, ali to i dalje nije ravno ranijoj varijanti od 3 wizarda plus jednog wiz lorda. Mortal tzeentch ima jedinu prednost da prvu magiju moze da baca s jednom kockom (magija trazi 4+ a Mark of Tz daje +1 na casting) tako da obicni wizardi nisu baceni hero slotovi, inace mortal chaos ima stvarcice za modifikovanje miscast rezultata (sto ih i dalje ne vadi, samo ublazava problem) i malo vise bound spellova sto nije ravno prethodnom mortal tzeentchu sa 19 PD u 2000 poena. Skaveni kroz warpstone tokene i screaming bell imaju dovoljno PDa medjutim njih miscast kaci gore nego ostale rase, posto warlock engineeri apsolutno moraju da budu u jedinicama (kad xplodiraju i ostali pacovi ce nastradati), i ako zaborave svoju jedinu magiju postaju beskorisni.

Glavni problem miscast table nije koliko stete pije sam mag, vec to sto je najverovatniji ishod 5-6 zavrsava magicnu fazu i time sprecava ostale magove da urade ista, dok isto toliko verovatan rezultat 8-9 daje protivniku pravo da baci jednu svoju magiju
po izboru kao bound spell BEZ ogranicenja sto se tice casting value za razliku od 6te edicije, sto znaci obican fireball moze da rezultuje u pomenutoj kasandrolji . Ova dva miscast rezultata pokrivaju veci deo miscast tabele (verovatnoca da se dobije jedan od ova dva je 20/36), i to eliminise efikasnost prethodnih wiz lord + 3 wiz listi.

Nadam se da sam objasnio.
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Sve je to lepo u teoriji, medjutim u praksi je to drugacije ;).

A sto se tice miscast tabele:

1. Pitanje kada ce doci miscast (jer ako dodje na poslednjem spellu, onda ko da nije ni dosao)
2. Ako protivnik dobije da baci svoj spell, ti i dalje imas dispell scroll, a ne zavrsava ti se faza, tako da je i taj rezultat beskoristan. Da ne spominjem da si prethodno trebao da dobijes 6 za tu cassandoru, da bi uopste mogao da je bacis kao bound spell
3. Imas skoro 50% sanse da ne dobijes 5-9 (16/36), sto je puno sanse

itd., itd....

Magicna faza jeste oslabljena ali samo marginalno i to vrlo marginalno.

Naravno sve ovo i dalje nema nikakve veze, jer i dalje nije bitna armija protiv koje igras nego covek protiv koga igras, a to je nesto sto ni jedna edicija ne moze da "popravi" - pa ce ti tako sa nekim ljudima biti zabavno da igras bez obzira koliko zlu listu da izvedu, dok ce ti protiv drugih biti uzasno dosadno i naporno, makar izveli i naj-friendly listu ;). TM
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Dzone, nemoj da rusis sneska ljudima...
Ajde ponavljaj lagano za mnom...:" Magija je oslabljena i high elfovska pesadija je dominantan nacin da se pobedi u whmeru..."
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Zivela Helfovska pesadija sa pokojim zmajom!

Ok, slozili smo se oko oslabljene magije (u razlicitim stepenima), a sad nazad na topic...
U onoj demonskoj armiji fali dispel scroll/spell breaker.

To nece biti interesantna igra ni za koga ako armija bude srolana jednim bacanjem preko 15.
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BoltaFodda wrote:...To nece biti interesantna igra ni za koga ako armija bude srolana jednim bacanjem preko 15.
A kako to tacno mislis da ubijes demonsku vojsku sa jednim bacanjem magije?
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Uzme mortal tzincha dobije gateway baci na onu zlu jedinicu nurglovaca dobije 11-12 i uzme 600 poena to je prvi potez drugi isto to ali na blood thurstera recimo isto dobije 11-12 i ubije ga e ostalo je vec ne bitno :mrgreen:

Mislim Bolta da nisi svestan koliko su zapavo jaki Demoni ali nadam se da ces videti na turniru koji dolazi(doduse ja bi voleo da ne bude DoC jer uzimaju automatski po meni ali to sam samo ja)!
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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RatGod wrote:Uzme mortal tzincha dobije gateway
Mora da dobije to kao magiju.
baci na onu zlu jedinicu nurglovaca dobije 11-12
Mora da uspe da baci (na 15+).
ora da mu to niko ne dispeluje (ok, ako nije miscast mala je sansa da mu neko to dispeluje kockicama).
Mora da dobije 11-12 na 2d6.
Kada se sve to slozi - super je, ali mnogo ljudi je pokusavalo "prodji Ld ili umri" a samo Shuticu je uspevalo...
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Osecam se nekako na meti... :-({|=

Mislim da sam dirnuo u neke osnovne postulate koje svako ima o ovoj igri i stoga je ovako raznolika diskusija... ali je zato i raznolika igra. Okej, evo liste koju ja nosim na turnir:

Lord kroak 1230
skink priest, 2x dispel scroll 115
Jaguar saurus hero 131
8x 10x skinks 480
3x kroxigors 174
3x kroxigors 174
3x salamanders 195

2499 pts.

Slobodno rastrgnite listu, jer ce ona rastrgnuti vas na turniru...
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Ta lista ne radi nista iz nekoliko razloga:

1. Tvoje pucanje je 18", charge flyera je 20"
2. Nemas odgovor na masovne konjice
3. Nemas gde da sakrijes slana = mrtav je u 3-4 krugu u najgorem slucaju (dotle ce se koristiti neki dispell scrollovi i lokovati jedinice u combat)
4. Ima te previse te ce dosta jedinica patiti od terora svojim mocnim LD5
5. Umires od promaje
6. Ne pravis dovoljno pucanja da bi nadomestio sve ono iznad
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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E pa ovako kao osoba koja skuplja lizarde i igrala je sa njima na turnirima i prilicno dobro prolazio mislim sledece:

Kroak je ekstra ali je i preskup,8*10 skinkova je previse i nije mi jasno kak ces kroaka zastititi od cc tipa zmaja i ostalih spodoba koje lepe ili jure u cc.

Mislim da lista nema nikakve sanse ili je ja samo ne vidim ima te premalo.

Ali evo mozemo da probamo u petak u hs ako ti odgovara!Mislim da su obicni lizardi tabadzije mnogo bolji,a i znas tvoja zaba vredi 1600 poena a nema 3 reda out number itd daima sejvove dobre ali na cc resolution ce te oterati u jedno trenutku!
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BoltaFodda wrote:Osecam se nekako na meti... :-({|=
...Slobodno rastrgnite listu, jer ce ona rastrgnuti vas na turniru...
A koji su to tacno tvoji dosadasnji takticki rezultati na WH polju?
Koliko si partija odigrao?
Sa kim?
Da li si ikada dobio nekog od boljih igraca?
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Sta ste spopali decka, videcemo (bar neki od nas) na turniru kako radi ta lista... o ovoj igri se i previse teoretise, a treba da se igra :D :D :D
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bojan wrote:
BoltaFodda wrote:Osecam se nekako na meti... :-({|=
...Slobodno rastrgnite listu, jer ce ona rastrgnuti vas na turniru...
A koji su to tacno tvoji dosadasnji takticki rezultati na WH polju?
Koliko si partija odigrao?
Sa kim?
Da li si ikada dobio nekog od boljih igraca?
mmm... zaboravio si ono "valjda"

nisam postigao zapazene uspehe do sada, sto pripisujem svom nedostatku koncentracije i slabom ocenjivanju razdaljina. I da ne zaboravimo da me kocke mrze. 7. na proslom turniru u HS. Okej?

Medjutim, vise bih voleo misljenje o mojoj listi od napada na mene, jel i to okej?
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BoltaFodda wrote:Ok, slozili smo se oko oslabljene magije (u razlicitim stepenima), a sad nazad na topic...To nece biti interesantna igra ni za koga ako armija bude srolana jednim bacanjem preko 15.
Sta se tacno pusi na ovom forumu?Mislim dajte i meni malo,vidim da je nekima lepo...
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heh, ajd samo neko ukratko nesto da napise o kroki. Znam da je slann 1. generacije, da ima sve sto imaju oni do 2., i da ima onu neku magiju (cini mi se na 15+) koja znam da je nesto dobro radila, ali sam zaboravio sta, pa bi molio nekog da sazme pravila za kroku ovde
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