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Post by Nindza » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:47 am

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Jel ima ovde neko ko igra sa Skavenima?

Ranije mi je islo odlicno sa njima ali nisam dugo igrao warhammer (pogotovu po ovim novim pravilima sa ogranicenim brojem heroja)
pa bi mi dobro doslo par saveta od nekoga ko igra stalno sa njima, posto se dosta toga promenilo

Cisto me zanima sta je iz svog iskustva zapazio da ne valja i koje su neke kombinacije koje su dobre (npr. za klasicnu bitku od 2250 poena)

Moze i da mi pise na PM ako zna neku pakost koju ne zeli da otkriva bas svima :mrgreen: :twisted:

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Post by milosh » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:53 pm

Da li je neko isprobao lizardmensko oružje Blade of Realities? Ako jeste kako se pokazalo, vredi li tih 75 poena koliko košta.

A pošto sumnjam da je neko isprobao evo prvo opisa oružja za one koji nisu upoznati, pa bi bilo lepo da čujem mišljenja iskusnijih (a i onih manje iskusnih :) ) igrača da li vredi uzimati ovaj item. Elem, to je magično oružje koje košta 75 poena, i koje radi na sledeći način: za svaki uspešan hit načinjen sa ovim oružjem, meta mora da prodje Ld test (na svoj, nemodifikovan Ld). Ako ne prodje test odmah umire, bez ikakvog sejva. Ako prodje sve testove baca se to wound i sejvovi normalno.

Najveća mana ovoga je svakako cena, jer lord koji nosi ovo oružje može da nosi evebutalno još enchanted shield ili bane head. Ja sam razmišljao da kombinaciju BoR i ES stavim lordu na carnosauru, ali nisam siguran koliko je to pametno, jer onda nema nikakav ward sejv, te nikakvu zaštitu od pucanja.

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Post by FEANOR » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:34 pm

Mislim da bi moglo da bude dosta dobro za ubijanje čudovišta...
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Post by RatGod » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:35 pm

Ja sam ga vodio i po meni je to najbolje nesto sto moze da se ima!

Ima BoR ,enchanted shield,i carnosaur i radi a statistika bas i nije mala da ce da ubije vecinu lordova odmah dok ce ubiti sva cudovista sigurno!
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Post by milosh » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:43 pm

Ok, hvala. Sigurno ću ga isprobati.
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Post by FEANOR » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:15 pm

A reci ubiješ nekog grejter demona tim mačem :lol:
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Post by RatGod » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:51 pm

I to bez mnogo problema
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Post by milosh » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:13 am

Heh pa ne znam baš Ld mu nije baš mizeran :)
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Post by RatGod » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:48 am

Pa Ld 9 3-4 puta po krugu nije bas ni malo!
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Post by Iskusinjo » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:29 pm

Pitanje je dal' ces docekati sledeci krug sa BoR,bitno je da ucardzujes sa njim.Guster ima los sejv,ja bi ga stavio na kold vana,umesto na karnosaurusa. :)

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Post by bojan » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:41 pm

FEANOR wrote:A reci ubiješ nekog grejter demona tim mačem :lol:
A kako nesto sto se krece peske 7/14" i vidi 90deg uhvati demona koji leti? Jer ako demon uhvati njega - nece guster stici da udari...
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Post by teclis » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:56 pm

bojan wrote:
FEANOR wrote:A reci ubiješ nekog grejter demona tim mačem :lol:
A kako nesto sto se krece peske 7/14" i vidi 90deg uhvati demona koji leti? Jer ako demon uhvati njega - nece guster stici da udari...
bas tako...

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Post by FEANOR » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:15 pm

Pa, rekao sam ''reci ubiješ nekog grejter demona'', znači hipotetički, ali bilo bi smešno...
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Post by No 1 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:15 am

Pa ne lete svi demoni.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.

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Post by bojan » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:00 am

No 1 wrote:Pa ne lete svi demoni.
Da, Keeper ima ASF pa mu je nebitno.
Ha - mozda ce ubiti GUO-a. Ma bas je super taj guster.
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Post by Megabaja » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:06 pm

a jel vazi betl standard u 12 od tog modela koji prolazi lidersip?

evo situacije - taj lord udara vecinu drugih lordova na 4 i ima 4 napada - to je dva lidersipa u glavnom, ponekad nekome tri, i to je to. ja bi pre polagao lidersip sa vecinom lordova nego sejv od str7 oruzja, ali kuku lele ako tog lika 2 kruga gadja 10 strelaca... a tek nesto jace
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Post by FEANOR » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:55 pm

Mislim da gušter ima 5 napada i da ne radi betl standard, to nije brejk test, i predmet kaže da radi na lični, nemodifikovani lideršip modela...
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Post by teclis » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:03 pm

Megabaja wrote:a jel vazi betl standard u 12 od tog modela koji prolazi lidersip?

evo situacije - taj lord udara vecinu drugih lordova na 4 i ima 4 napada - to je dva lidersipa u glavnom, ponekad nekome tri, i to je to. ja bi pre polagao lidersip sa vecinom lordova nego sejv od str7 oruzja, ali kuku lele ako tog lika 2 kruga gadja 10 strelaca... a tek nesto jace
ovako, sansa da spases sebe od tog oruzja sa lordovskim Ld10 je ~10% a pritom gubis celog lorda sa sve 3/ili4 rane, a sa bazicnim vordom na 4+ sanse su ipak razumne... Protiv plotuna strelaca ili obicne demidz magije ima save na 1+ (enchanted shield + LA, sto mu uvek uzmes), i pritom T5, ali ako ga ugleda war machine, crno mu se pise...
jadan je taj skinkaus oddblood, mislio sam da barem ima W4...

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Post by milosh » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:25 pm

Isprobao sam ovog guštera danas u 3 partije.

Pucali su tandereri dva kruga po njemu, naneli su 2 rane (da naglasim da je protivnik imao mnogo dobre rolove tokom cele partije), istina posle su ga dokrajčili organ gun (koji je divljao celu partiju: 6, 8, 8, 8 i 10), ništa nije uradio

U drugoj partiji umlatio slaneshovog heroja na demonic steedu koji je prošao Ld, i nije više imao šta da bije jer protivnika baš, baš nije htela kocka pa je izgubio sve unite.

U trećoj partiji protiv Bete sjahao sa carnosaura a zatim ubio lorda, warshrine i BSB-a na baci Ld i umri.

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Post by PeraNekron » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:52 pm

Dobra je fora sto sa tim macem teras modela kojeg si klepio da polaze svoj,nemodifikovani leadership. Klepis zmaja, pa on polaze na svoj LD. Vecina ima 8, Star Dragon jedini na 9. Simpatican magic weapon, ali opet, ide na to da protivnik rolla LD, koji je uglavnom visok, stoga bas i nije pouzdan. Vise mi se svidja onaj sto daje +1 na snagu i jos no armour save. A i opet, taj Saurus mora da stigne do neceg, a da ga ne izuju strelci/masine/stagod, pa da pogodi (vecinu karaktera na 4+), pa da taj onda padne Ld, koji je uglavnom 9 ili 10. To je mnogo "ako". :wink: Ali je svejedno dobra zezalica. A i nekim ljudima pocnu da se tresu ruke kada polazu "prodji Ld ili umri" test. :D (Ja bih pao prvi Ld test, naucna cinjenica vise puta dokazivana.)
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Post by orome pancevo » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:03 pm

Simpatican je predmet,ali preskup.
Opet,stavio bih ga na lorda,sto da ne,jos mu das bane head,i obavezno na cold ona,em ima bolji save,em ne moze da sjase sa njega.Ali je i dalje prespor da bi uhvatio stvari koje zeli.I opet,baceju se neke kocke..
Protiv nekog ko ne zna sta radi,verovatno ce ti se isplatiti,inace ne verujem...
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Post by gustermen » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:01 am

da li neko im lepe comboe za lizardmen karaktere?

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Post by Dellamorte » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:02 pm

Jedno pitanje?
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Post by st1v xtr1m » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:52 pm

gustermen wrote:da li neko im lepe comboe za lizardmen karaktere?
Saurus lord:

Cold one, enchanted shield, piranha blade, bane head, 5+ ward
5 napada, S5, T5, -1+ armor save (snagu 6 spašava na 2+), 5+ ward. Koja god rana prodje ubije karaktere iz prve - protiv obicnih heroja radi 2 wounda, protiv lorda radi 4 wounda ako prodje napad. Tenk i hero killer, obozava multiwound modele.

Na carnosauru ima nekoliko opcija...
Moze mu se dati onaj mac sa +2 napada, sto znaci da nakon sto dobije frenzy od carnosaura, on gore ima 5+2+1 = 8 napada snage 5, plus karnijevih 4 (ili 5, nemam kod sebe army book) snage 7. Opaka stvar.

Ili mu staviti Always Strike first mac - meni je to fora kombinacija sa onim shieldom za +1 napad. Onda ima 6 napada ASF, sto bi trebalo biti dovoljno da carnosaur moze bez prevelikih problema nakon njega gristi jer nece biti nikoga zivog da lupa po carnosauru - ili ce ih biti puno manje.

Oni veliki skupi macevi (ld test ili umri, +1s i no AS) su mi preskupi i nema dovoljno bodova na njemu za dodatne igracke...

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Cold one, enchanted shield, piranha blade
hero verzija gore navedenog lorda. PREDOBAR protiv fleshhoundova, wraithova, bilocega sa multiple woundovima.


Cold one, flaming sword, 2+ ward one use only
Sa snagom 5 i ovim macem, radi -4AS modifier, sto je ekvivalent snazi 7. Uz to je jos i flaming. On mi je omiljeni za stavit u unit cold one ridera, daje im anti-armor koji njima donekle fali sa samo snagom 4 (5 u chargeu). 2+ ward na saurus heroju daje najbolje rezultate, efektivno mu daje jos jedan wound, sto ga cini 50% izdrzljivijim. Predobar item protiv killing blowa.


On foot, great weapon, enchanted shield, jaguar charm
Stari nike saurus u novom izdanju. S7, fly movement ako uspije iskastati (za najbolju primjenu koristiti ga uz zabu). Ako mu ne treba S7, sa enchanted shieldom ima 1+ armor save, T5, tako da je dosta otporan, a jos uvijek ima S5, sto nije za baciti.


Skink na engineu:
Onaj item (drums) da ga se ne moze marchblokati + extra spell.
Ovo mi je omiljena kombinacija. Sa 3 spella iz heavens lorea gotovo sigurno ce dobiti jedan dobar, i onda njega casta sa svoje 3 kocke, i ne dira u zabine 2 bazicne :) Drums mu je odlicna zastita, moze bjezati od neprijatelja, dolaziti im iza ledja, itd, itd... Ako je zaglavio u combat, 2+ ward mu nece predugo biti od pomoci, tako da mi to i nije neki izbor. Ali ljudi ga koriste, tako da why not.


Druga kombinacija je skrol i diadem of power - dobra defanzivna kombinacija. Ako imas samo njega od spellcastera, dobijes 6 DD i jedan skrol, sto je poprilicna kolicina defanzive, i onda mozes stavit 2 saurus heroja i saurus lorda.


Zaba

E, za zabu ima puno dobrih kombinacija, i igra se s onim sto ti dozvoljava AC. Isto tako je bitno da li ce biti u unitu ili solo. Ako je solo, onda joj kupis etheral, a uvijek da zna sve spellove, extra kocku i najbolja disciplina od svih - becalming cogitation.

Dobra fora je kad je solo etheral zaba, uz to i BSB i ima warbanner. Onda kad dodje neki zmaj/hidra/bilokoji monster bez magicnih napada, zaba ju chargea i onda zaba ima bsb i warbanner protiv njegovog outnumbera - zaba pobjedjuje i s vremenom vjerovatno i brejka neprijatelja :)

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Post by meloras » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:34 pm

Ne znam da li ste i sta vi ostali radili za vase zmajeve,ali meni se ona dva gw-ova haos zmaja ni malo ne dopadaju.Da li bi bilo ok upotrebiti nekog McFarlane zmaja,slicne velicine,uz neke konverzije green stuffom,haos zvezde,haos lord i slicno,namestiti ga na standardno gw postolje za monstere i koristiti kao haos zmaja?Za turnire predpostavljam da ne bi smeo takav na sto da ide,ali za frendly partije jel to ok?

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Post by milosh » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:51 am

Uvek mozes da kupis HE zmaja i lepo ga iskonvertujes. Potrazi malo po netu ljudi su pravili odlicne stvari. Ne znam kakvi su ti modeli o kojima pricas jer nisi postovao sliku ali haos zmaj bi trebao da ima dve glave (opet niko nece praviti problem ali bilo bi lepo).
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Post by meloras » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:48 am

He zmaj je jedini gw koji bi dosao u obzir,opet uz neke konverzije ali je jako lep.Ovi koje sam nasao cak neki imaju i dve glave.Jedini problem je sto jedan sjajan zmaj koji bi bio idealan za haos (mada istina ima samo 1 glavu) ima nekih 10" visine sto je preterano za wh.O ovom se radi http://www.spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?product=3234 .

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Post by Dzon Vejn » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:48 am

Posto i mene interesuje ista stvar - haos zmaj, koja su to DVA gw haos zmaja? Ja videh samo Galraucha koji je verovatno najodvratnija figura koju sam ikada video.

Meni se vise svidja wood elf zmaj, i prilicno sam siguran da je stari isao sa dve glave, ali novi ima samo 1, sto malo pravi problem oko konvertovanja.

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Post by orome pancevo » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:50 am

Ako je taj Iskusinjov zmaj kojeg sam ja video,cini mi se da je rekao da ga je kupio u nekoj radnji sa igrackama i ofarbao! :D
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Post by meloras » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:24 am

Dzone,stari haos zmaj je identican klasicnim gw zmajevima samo ima jos jednu glavu nakacenu na postojeci vrat.Isao je uz nekog heroja Egrimma van Hortsmana,a evo i slika http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... s%3Disch:1
Merkao sam i ja nazgula ali bi njemu trebala druga glava i dosta prepravki da ne bude onako tanak (mada im je onaj novi nazgul na letecem postolju lep).
Jel taj stari we zmaj ovaj http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... s%3Disch:1 ?

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Post by Dzon Vejn » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:01 am

Nisi razumeo - znam ja koji je stari haos zmaj, ali gde si ga video na GW sajtu na prodaji?

Da, to je taj, mislim da ima 2 glave u kutiji, koliko se secam.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by meloras » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:19 am

Nisam ga video na gw sajtu,istina..ali znam ko ga ima na prodaju :lol:

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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by VicTheTrader » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:44 pm

Razmisljam o tome da pocnem neku WHFB vojsku i to bi bila jedna od sledecih:

- dark elves
- warriors of chaos
- tomb kings
ili skaven.

Trenutno naginjem ka skavenima jer dolaze u Island of blood pa su (verovatno) ekonomski najisplativiji od navedenih, ali mi se ne farba 100+ figurica. Dakle od ovih nabrojanih, koje imaju manji broj figura u standardnim formatima (2000 pts?), i koje imaju manji broj metalnih figurica?

Ukoliko se ipak odlucim za skavene, koliko starter setova bi se isplatilo da ocerupam, i sta jos treba dodati za neku osnovnu vojsku?
When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt, run in little circles, wave your arms and shout. - parody of the litany of command

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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by Mrzimsvee » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:09 pm

VicTheTrader wrote:Razmisljam o tome da pocnem neku WHFB vojsku i to bi bila jedna od sledecih:

- dark elves
- warriors of chaos
- tomb kings
ili skaven.

Trenutno naginjem ka skavenima jer dolaze u Island of blood pa su (verovatno) ekonomski najisplativiji od navedenih, ali mi se ne farba 100+ figurica. Dakle od ovih nabrojanih, koje imaju manji broj figura u standardnim formatima (2000 pts?), i koje imaju manji broj metalnih figurica?

Ukoliko se ipak odlucim za skavene, koliko starter setova bi se isplatilo da ocerupam, i sta jos treba dodati za neku osnovnu vojsku?
Od gore navedenih najbolje ti je da skupljas Warriors of chaos, sto se tice broja modela. Mada i njih moze da ima dosta ako izvodis maraudere.
Recimo 2 startera.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."

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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by milosh » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:33 am

Kao sto ti je Dule vec rekao WoC su ti najbolja opcija po onome sto ti trazis.

Ako se odlucis za skavene onda uz 2-3 Island of Blooda neces pogresiti ako uzmes furnace i monkove, kao i abominaciju (za koju za sada ne postoji model).
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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by JTFCUP » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:15 am

milosh wrote:kao i abominaciju (za koju za sada ne postoji model).
Koji izlazi u metalu do kraja godine.


WoC kazem i ja!
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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by Verterdegete » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:30 am

Moze li neko da mi objasni naoruzavanje corsaira ? U pakovanju sam dobio gomilu maceva, nozeva, samostrela, kuka itd, i sad ne znam sta smem da kombinujem i sta onda ide u corsaire a sta u reavere. Trazio sam po netu, ali se svugde pretpostavlja da se to zna.
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Re: treba vam savet? postujte ovde!

Post by Mrzimsvee » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:44 am

Ti svima stavi dva maca, a river je samo jedan model, sampion corsera.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."

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