Rumori

Post by **Dzon Vejn** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:56 pm

A pravac u kome ce se kretati izmene? Da li ce i dalje biti skoro pa potpuno konjicka armija, ili ce ubaciti jos po nesto?

milosh · Post by **milosh** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:16 pm

To se jos ne zna

Post by **teclis** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:28 pm

GW review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qipsvd7 ... dded#at=20

Post by **teclis** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:12 am

lore of nekehara
http://imgur.com/a/QhB6R

i najtacnija pravila za sad:
http://tomb-kings.net/index.php?showtopic=7612&st=0

Post by **teclis** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:36 am

PeraNekron wrote:....a i sve mi se cini da su ukinuli Blessing of the Asp, ie. kosturi pogadjaju uvek bazicnom balistikom, bez penala ili bonusa.

i dalje stoji u opisu Blessing of the asp

kocije su hmm skupe, al posto svaki crewman ima 2 napada i kocije su D6 + ono obnavljanje D3+1 im ide u korist

http://www.mediafire.com/?nshuwual5625b04

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:53 pm

Zanimljivo. Cemu sluzi sampion strelaca, profil mu se uopste ne razlikuje od obicnog prasinara? Nema cak ni napad vise. Verovatno samo za potrebe challenga, tj. umiranja groznom smrcu umesto priesta. Lore je bas dobar. Ako prodje Ptra's Incantation of Righteous Smiting, na chariote recimo, unit od 4 chariota + karakter u chariotu rade 5d6 impact hitova snage 4, 20 napada konjima snage 3, 24 napada kopljima snage 4, i karakter sa svojim napadima +1 ....kinky...:D Zanima me sta radi pravilo "And the Tomb Kings rode to war...."...zvuci mnogo cool.

Post by **teclis** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:55 am

PeraNekron wrote:Zanimljivo. Cemu sluzi sampion strelaca, profil mu se uopste ne razlikuje od obicnog prasinara? Nema cak ni napad vise.

pero, ima BS3 sto znaci pogadja na 4+ :lol: :lol: :lol:

Post by **Hypodermic** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:06 pm

Sveze sa GW sajta:
"Prepare for battles ravaged with powerful magic and a host of fearsome monsters: Storm of Magic is the brand-new world-shattering Expansion for Warhammer. Launched in July 2011, Storm of Magic, along with a new range of Warhammer scenery and Wizards, will enable you to wage immense and spectacular battles. Head on over to the Astronomican on Games-Workshop.com for more information, as well as a sneak peek of what's to come..."

Post by **teclis** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:34 pm

Then there are the monsters. When the Winds of Magic blow with such strength, the fell creatures of the world gravitate towards the tempest, slithering from deep tunnels or emerging from mountain lairs.

With the new Expansion allowing you to use so many different creatures there are a whole host of new monstrous plastic kits on their way. Citadel's queen of creatures, Trish Carden, has spent the last few years in her own lair preparing for the new monsters to be unleashed upon the world and you can see two brief glimpses of what is to come below:

DeathJester · Post by **DeathJester** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:17 pm

Ridji wrote:Odavno ja rekoh da su poceli da upropascavaju igru. A vidim da tome nema kraja
Modeli su bruka,to je cinjenica...ali mislim da su se zajebali sto tomb kingovima nisu dali neki top. Bas bi im lepo legao :D
Ubijaju duh igre time sto svima daju skoro sve. Recimo secam se da je po 6 ediciji monster bio misaona imenica,a sada nema vojske bez 2-3 komada. Rastu kao kruske,a trebaju da budu "kao" ekstremna retkost

Za HE ce monsteri ostati misaona imenica jos duze vreme cini mi se. Osim ako ne ubace nekog Super Giant Mean Looking White Lion-a :-P
Novi modeli TK su dojajni. Magija im se cini okej,ali nije nista specijalno jaka. Poslednji spell im je bezveze.

milosh · Post by **milosh** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:51 pm

DeathJester wrote:
Ridji wrote:Odavno ja rekoh da su poceli da upropascavaju igru. A vidim da tome nema kraja
Modeli su bruka,to je cinjenica...ali mislim da su se zajebali sto tomb kingovima nisu dali neki top. Bas bi im lepo legao :D
Ubijaju duh igre time sto svima daju skoro sve. Recimo secam se da je po 6 ediciji monster bio misaona imenica,a sada nema vojske bez 2-3 komada. Rastu kao kruske,a trebaju da budu "kao" ekstremna retkost
Za HE ce monsteri ostati misaona imenica jos duze vreme cini mi se. Osim ako ne ubace nekog Super Giant Mean Looking White Lion-a :-P
Novi modeli TK su dojajni. Magija im se cini okej,ali nije nista specijalno jaka. Poslednji spell im je bezveze.

Čoveče na kojim si ti drogama? Monsteri za HE misaona imenica??? Pitam se baš ko ima tri vrste zmaja i čiji heroji mogu da ih jašu??? Verovatno patuljački...

Post by **teclis** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:31 pm

ono sto hoce decko da kaze je da i kad bi ga izveo (ako bi nasao pojena), ne bi bio mnogo koristan, tj. ne bi se mnogo igrao sa njim jer bi ga verovatno upucali :/ al opet good point sa patuljcima 8-)

milosh · Post by **milosh** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:14 pm

teclis wrote:ono sto hoce decko da kaze je da i kad bi ga izveo (ako bi nasao pojena), ne bi bio mnogo koristan, tj. ne bi se mnogo igrao sa njim jer bi ga verovatno upucali :/ al opet good point sa patuljcima 8-)

Ali taj argument važi za svakog monstera - hidru, zmaja, stegadona, abominaciju, pauka, sfingu... Uostalom top imaju dve armije od 14 (ok 3 ako računamo pacove).

DeathJester · Post by **DeathJester** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:14 pm

teclis wrote:ono sto hoce decko da kaze je da i kad bi ga izveo (ako bi nasao pojena), ne bi bio mnogo koristan, tj. ne bi se mnogo igrao sa njim jer bi ga verovatno upucali :/ al opet good point sa patuljcima 8-)

Upravo to. 600+ za lorda na zmaju kojeg mozes imati jednog ( ili nijednog ) u poredjenju sa 5 onih TK giganskih statua koje stanu u armiju od 2k poena...

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:15 am

Kako 5?

DeathJester · Post by **DeathJester** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:34 am

Pise lepo na GW sajtu > > > "You can actually field a vast number of Animated Constructs in the army too - potentially 4 Warsphinxes and a Necrosphinx in a 2,000-point army (they're the living statues that will terrify the pants off your opponent and make them run home to their mummy)."

milosh · Post by **milosh** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:08 am

Teorijski možeš da izvedeš 7 stegadona u 2500 poena pa opet niko pri zdravoj pameti to ne bi uradio jer jednostavno nije isplativo. Ne radi se ovde o matematici već o funkcionalnosti. Svaki HE zmaj pojede lizardmensku listu sa stegadonima, znači jedan zmaj pojede 3-4 stegadona bez problema jer jednostavno nemaju gde da se sakriju a zmaj može da leti.

kgkid · Post by **kgkid** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:36 am

Mozda na nekom papiru to i jeste tako, ali nije stvarno. T6 i dodaci na Stegadonima mogu da ucine da HE Zmaj ne uspe bas da se prejede. Dodaj tome T8 novih monstruma, tek da ih i zvezdani HE ranjava na 5, a ostali smrtnici na 6 uglavnom...

Trend o kome ljudi govore je stvarno problematican. Stavis nekoliko T8 "Centerpieces", i nekoliko Hordi pesadije, pa dodas jos ponesto od zanimljivog... Armije gube na onom licnom pecatu koji bi trebalo da imaju.

Sa druge strane, intervju sa tvorcem novih TK je zastrasujuci! Pravili su armiju po kriterijumu "awesome"... Model je lep, ali dacemo mu jos T8 i letenje i on je "awesome". Kako unaprediti TG? WS6, S5, T4, KB i sve za 8 poena po modelu = NKTN!

A playtest? A balans? A specificnosti koje cine armiju?

Mislim, ne treba ici ni u krajnosti, Pacovi imaju previse specijalnih pravila, ali 7-8 magicnih predmeta po armiji, Velika Centralna Figura... Jos ce i Patuljci da dobiju magove i monstrume i da ukinu rune... Malo preterano uniformno za moj ukus.

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:41 am

Realno ne može više od 4. Ne možeš više od 2 ista rare-a, plus si ograničen na heroje na npr. 625 poena (2500) gde mogu da stanu još 2 ali onda nema maga nivoa 4 (5), tomb kinga i sl. Ne znam koliki je AS, ako je mali ubijaju ga strelci, ako je velik metal magija, otprilike realno je 3 komada.

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:03 pm

Jel neko uspeo naci pdf leak/torrent ili nesto sl.?

Post by **teclis** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:13 pm

They have got the Armybook for people to see and look through here in sunny Sydney aust, so if they do not want players remembering points and units and rules then "Why show people in-store" its not like "Oh wow thats great, oh now I can't tell no-one or have to forget it"..

Mind you I have noticed alot of differnet stuff from 'cough' players who seen the book so its still not water-tight .

So here is...

We still cause fear, can't march and hold for charge reaction. Unbreakable/unstable special rules etc.
Heirophant: has to take Nek Lore.
Liche can take Nek Lore, Light and Death.
Undead Constucts still get their +2 save and 1 less combat res.

EBtS = Entombed Beneath the Sands, unit with this special rule have the Ambushers special rule, as described in the BRB. So, each turn, you roll a dice for each unit that is EBtS, and on a 3+ it comes up, you then place them anywhere on the board that is 1" away from any unit and roll for scatter using the artillery dice etc. If a misfire is rolled you check the special Misfire chart

Lords

Tomb King :170 gw +6 fl,sp(ch) +3 ch +60 100mi
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead + My Will Be Done gives his WS to the unit he is in (except mounts)

High Liche priest :170 Lvl 3 + Lvl 4 35 ss +15 100mi
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead

Heroes

Tomb Prince :100 gw +4 fl,sp(ch) +2 ch +60 50mi
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead + My Will Be Done gives his WS to the unit he is in (except mounts)

Herald :60
- 5pts cheaper but has to buy BSB for 25pts 50mi (100mb)
- +1A
Special rule: Neh undead: The BSB, in addition to the abilities described above, "serves" a tomb king or prince and can give the one they serve a 2+ ward save (however the BSB takes the wound instead), not sure if this wound is no save allowed..

Necrotect :60 50mi
- same stats as herald
- gives unit hatred
- gives constructs within 12 inches 6+ regen
- Big maybe on this but I am sure I read he gives the unit he is in hatred
Special rule: Neh undead, hatred (unit)

Liche Priests :70 Lvl 1 + Lvl 2 35 ss +15 50mi
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead

Core

10+ Skeletons + hand weapon and shield = 4pts ch, mus, sb all 10pts
spear is 1+ point per model, light armour is 1 pt per model.
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead

10+ Bowmen + hand weapon + bow = 6 pts ch, mus, sb all 10pts
light armour is 1 pt per model.
- same stats ch has bs=3
Special rule: Neh undead + AotA

5+ Skeleton Horsemen + hand weapon + shield + spear = 12 pts ch, mus, sb all 10pts
light armour is 1 pt per model.
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead + Van

5+ Skeleton Horse Archers + hand weapon + bow = 14pts ch, mus, sb all 10pts
light armour is 2 pt per model.
- same stats
Special rule: Neh undead + Van + Scouts + AotA

3+ Skeleton Chariots + hand weapon + shield + spear = 55pts ch, mus, sb all 10pts - Ms up to 25
- same stats but crew have 2 attacks ch has 3 attacks
Special rule: Neh undead + Chariot Legions 3 per rank + ‘And the Tomb Kings ride to war’ +1 impact strength per complete rank + AotA

Special

3+ Ushabti gw - 50 ch, mus, sb all 10pts
- same stats but now S4
- can replace gw for ahw or str 6 bows with 30 inch range
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct

Tomb Scorpion -85
- 1 less wound
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct + EBtS + pa + kb

3+ Carrion - 24
- +1A
Special rule: Neh undead + fly

10+ Tomb Guard – light armour + shields = 12 ch, mus, sb all 10pts
hal +2 25 mb
Special rule: Neh undead + kb

3+ Necropolis Knight - 65
- T4, 3W, 3+ save, snake 3A S5 (pa), rider 2A S4 (kb), both I3
- 5pts for EBtS
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct + pa + kb

3+ Sepulchral Stalkers - 55
- T4, 3W, 2A, S4, halberd
- shooting attack, 8 inch range, artillary dive auto hits, S1 vs initiative, no save, misfire does D3 wounds
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct, EBtS

Necrosphinx - 230
- S5, 5A, I1, T8, 5W, 5+ save, fly, KB, 1 attack gets S10 HKB
- can buy poisoned attacks 15
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct, kb

1+ Tomb Swarm - 45
-same states
Special rule: Neh undead, swarm, small, pa, EBts

Rare

Warsphinx - 210
- S5, 4A, I1, T8, 5W, 5+ save
- thundercrush is the same as the ogre thundermace
- can buy poisoned attacks 15 S4 breath weapon 20
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct

Bone giant - 170
- now T6, 5+ save
- can buy extra HW 5 , GW 10 or bow with S6 D3 wounds 20
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct + Unstoppable assault

Hierotitan - 175
- same stats as bone giant except 3A
- has bound spirit leach and shas burning gaze at casting cost
- adds D3 to casting total of priests within 12 inches
Special rule: Neh undead + undead construct

Screaming Skull catapult - 90
- skulls of the foe is 30pts
Special rule: Neh undead + Ss + Magical fire

Casket of Souls
- same stats no liche, 3W – 135
- + D3 power dice in your magic phase max
- PL5 bound spell which makes a unit roll 3D6 and subtract leadership and lose the difference in wounds with no armour save, and it spreads like a skaven plague spell on a 3+ to affect more enemy units.

Magic Items

Destroyer of Eternities - 80 - gives heroic killing blow and +2 STR, with the same "sweep attack" as before but only 1 auto hit not 2 per model in base to base awwwww also this only works on foot.

Cloak of Dunes – 40 – flying and has an added ability to inflict 2D6 STR2 hits on any unit the character flies over.

Mighty Plaques of Neferra – 50 - is one-time item that adds the wizard's level worth of power dice to a single casting (you still have to use at least 1PD from the pool).

Undying Legion Banner – 50 - and adds D6+2 lost wounds to any unit at PL 5.

The Hidden Dead Banner – 90 - allows a 150 point unit to come up from the ground. But it uses the new EBtS rule so the emerging unit can't charge.

Enkhils canopy and the terror mask are still around as is the spear that heals wounds. Also the mighty incanation thingy might be a special power scroll thing? for us, not sure yet.

UPDATED..

Now is there anything else?

Is there swarms still?

Does the Casket still has a ward save?

I did not include magic because I have the magic cards already.

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:33 am

Znači sfinga na 2+ pada inicijativu i umire a za razliku od tenka na njoj radi i pit of shades a i neke druge stvari sa inicijativom.

milosh · Post by **milosh** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:02 am

Ushabtije su totalno zaretardirali (čak i više nego što su svojevremeno kroksigore) - bazična snaga 4 i GW. Sada special mora da se dopuni novim igračkama, stare nisu više dobre.

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:57 am

Pa pucanje snage 6 nije za bacanje.

Post by **teclis** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:00 pm

zavisi koju balistiku imaju... a bacis im onaj +1A pa onda imaju multiple shots (2) - heavy machine artiljerija koju ne mogu sjebati lovci na masine :D . nije ni to tolko sjajno al kul izgleda

a bone gianti su pun pogodak, jevtiniji taman jos sa ovim lukom kad mu stavis x2 magiju 8-) a da ne pomenemo unstoppable asault i light magija WS10

DeathJester · Post by **DeathJester** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:02 pm

Jel ovo sigurno da je Necrosphinx special, Warsphinx rare ? Hmmm, ja sam se istripovao da ce bas biti obrnuto...

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:05 pm

Vidim ja da cu morati da radim full-remont svojih listi. Nije ovo nista strasno, sve mi se svidja, i milo mi je sto cu napokon iskusiti cari miscasta, i bacati magije sa vise od 2 kockice. :D :P Sreca pa imam sve figure u u masnim brojkama (svega 45 tomb guarde :D, a za halberde me bas briga, 2 poena po modelu, nije nego, chaos mrtvi warrior isto to za 1 poen, a jos je i core, i bolji neizmerno), tako da cu nabaviti samo one nove stvari. \:D/ I sad imam sve razloge koje mi trebaju da pocnem da sprovodim opite sa opskurnim stvarima koje vec poodavno 'vataju prasinu (kosturska konjica, casket of souls i sl.). Operacija ce se zvati "Kucamo na vrata zaboravljenih asova". :D

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:18 pm

Novi battalion za Tomb Kings....Boze sacuvaj, kakva glupost.....jedina razila od matorog bataljona je sto ima 8 kostura vise, a kosta 70 funti!!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... od1190054a

Keeper of the flame · Post by **Keeper of the flame** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:30 pm

Užasni su s novim cijenama. Trebat će dat barem 50% više novaca za normalnu vojsku nego prije.

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:29 pm

Novi ushabtiji su metalni...a glave su im bas ruznjikave.

Post by **Mrzimsvee** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:24 am

A sto mislis da su metalni?

Ridji · Post by **Ridji** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:10 am

Kakve budale. Bas me zanima ko ce da im kupuje po tim cenama...
Stave 70 funti za bataljon,zbog 4 kostura vise i promenjene slike na kutiji

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:26 am

Mrzimsvee wrote:A sto mislis da su metalni?

Rekose na warseeru da su metalni, a i nekako lice tako. A sad..ako su lagali mene, i ja lazem vas.

Post by **Mrzimsvee** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:55 am

Ti na warseeru bas nisu svi pouzdani.

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:47 pm

Tomb Kings Necrotect:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/h5ip-2.jpg

Tomb Kings Prince Apophas (special character):
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/h5ip-3.jpg

Nisam nesto odusevljen.... :?

Millenium · Post by **Millenium** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:10 pm

Deluju kao neke stare gw mini koje su izvukli iz naftalina za novi armybook tbh

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:03 am

Sve se moze srediti, uz malo konvertovanja.

War(whine)seer ima najjace komentare :lol: :

How can people like that Apophas model? His skull is big and rounded. Like someone was blind and had someone else explain what a skull looked like, but the person doing the talking had only seen them in children's cartoon television shows.

Worst undead model since Nagash. It is simply just as ridiculous. I am glad he sucks as a character because I don't even want to play a game against someone who puts that model on the table, because I wouldn't want it polluting my sight lines.

God. Aside from the sphynx, Tomb Kings are a visual nightmare. A total cluster****. I hate how this army looks.

Old skeletons, horrible characters, bad new metals, ******** snake surfers.

I wish they hadn't even bothered.

Post by **teclis** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:50 am

necrotect je bash bash njesra, ovaj kralj je ok - mogu da ga zamislim sa grinstafovanom bazom pa da skroz bude okruzen bubisharbama 8-)

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:41 am

Vracaju nam se Chaos Patuljci! :D Ali za sada samo u Forge World knjizi pravila, koja uskoro izlazi (nesto kao Imperial Armour za 40k.).

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/CHAOS_DWARFS

Kirgan · Post by **Kirgan** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:27 am

Masina je simpa a oni sami po sebi su hmmm ok napravljeni al previse monotoni