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Kako znamo samo da je SR dozvoljen i nista vise, skrecem paznju na dve stvari:
-koliko poena ce da kosta vanila marincima? ne mora nuzno da bude 200 poena, mozda bude vise (manje?)
-znam da im to vise nije praksa, ali mozda bude 0-1. ne verujem, ali nije nemoguce, posto marinci vec imaju i talon.

Koliko to menja igru? ne menja uopste. Kao i sa svim drugim flyerima, to cudo je ogromno i treba ga lepo balansirati na tabli. 3 ta i 3 talona zauzmu fizicki dobar deo table. Istina, lakse se pojave (jer talon moze da radi escort stormravenu), ali to i dalje nije neki veliki uticaj na igru. Samo ce biti manje BA igraca a vise vanilla igraca.
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RatGod wrote:...3 SR i 3 ST je jako lepa air lista...
Pogotovo je lepa kada ukineš mogućnost misterioznih objektiva, jer ti to ne odgovara, pošto su ti čudni objektivi jedina šansa tvom protivniku da dobie Sky Fire pošto ima stari kodex u kom nema pristup istom... :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Ne verujem da 3 stormravena i 3 stormtalona mogu da budu toliko efikasni jer:

- stormtaloni su njesra spram cene

- cena tih 6 aviona je 1050+ poena (pod pretpostavkom da raven kosta min 200 poena i da uzmes bar tl-lascannon na talonima) sto znaci da ~800 poena tvoje vojske treba da prezivi potencijalno 1-3 poteza protiv 1850 poena protivnikove vojske, pritom ako nemas aegis defense line sa commlinkom, sansa da svih 6 aviona udju u drugom turnu je prilicno niska i uz malo loseg rollanja pola partije nece ni biti na stolu

- 2-3 barebones tac squada u rhinoima kostaju 410-615 poena, a za tu poentazu ne bi valjalo da vodis ispod 30 taktikalaca, pogotovo ako treba da prezive bar 1-2 turna dok vazdusna konjica ne stigne, i dodaj tu jos barebones librariana od 100 poena, i ostaje ti impozantnih 100-300 poena za aegis defense line i druge stvari

U principu, liste sa 3 ST-a i 3 SR-a mogu biti kao cronair; hard-counterovace odredjene liste i nervirati ljude, ali tesko da ce pobedjivati na ozbiljnim turnirima.
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Propustam da vidim kako leteci model koji kosta 130-200 poena, ponistava objektiv (u pojedinim misijama moze i da drzi objektiv), leti prakticno preko cele table u krugu, kad ti treba tu je - kad zelis da ga sakrijes nije na tabli, i protiv koga imas mocnih ispod 2% do ispod 3% sanse da ga ubijes, moze da bude los. Pogotovu kad igras protiv listi koje nemaju kako da regulisu ni jednu, a tek ne 6 letelica. Ali to je vec moj problem...
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I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

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Taloni i raveni su vozila i stoga ne mogu da deny-uju objektive. Jedni ili drugi mogu da budu scoring u odredjenim misijama (posto su taloni fast attack, a raveni najverovatnije heavy support), ali pitanje je hoce li se to pravilo koristiti na ETC-u.

Taloni imaju AV11 i 2 HP-a i kostaju 150-155 poena ako hoces da rade nesto. Protiv quad-guna (koji neces moci da unistis pre nego sto stignu flieri posto neces imati poena za efektivan long-range shooting na zemlji), jedan ce u proseku umreti od interceptor fire-a cim stigne iz rezerve.

Ovo za 2-3% sanse da ubijes fliera ne znam odakle ti.

Kao sto rekoh, to moze da bude gimmick lista kao cronair da unisti armije bez skyfirea i da iritira ljude, ali protiv balansiranih listi ili ne daj boze listi sa dobrom kolicinom skyfirea nece se lepo provesti.
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To koliko ce da kosta SR nije bitno jer ce verovatno onoliko koliko i sada ono sto znam jeste da je heavy slot bas kao i za druge armije ( da i za BA sry Boco ), ja bas mislim da su ST sad bas zajebani jer daju support SR koji su vise nego neprijatni plus sto nose neke trupe koje asoltuju kad se iskrcaju tipa drednot? A sto se tice toga sto imas na tabli jeste imas 2*10 marinaca u rhinima ali ih CS pa onda je to 6 jedinica koje coevek mora da ubije (sto je skoro nemoguce) dok avioni ne udju, i naravno da ima ADL sa comom.

Ne kazem da ce ovakve liste uzimati turnir mozda im i ne treba svega po 3 ali svakako da ce biti nezgodne i neprijatne pogotovu sto je to sad jos jedna lista koja je heavy flyer.

P.S. Deko nisam ja smislio za obj i iskreno ja primarnu vojisku koju cu koristiti nece imati nista anti air vec ally's sa anti airom a to mogu svi da uzmu ;)
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Ako si uzeo 6 aviona, HQ-a, 2 tac squada sa rhinoima, i aegis sa comm linkom, od kojih ces poena kupiti dreke da stavis u avione?

Drugo, boga nema da ce tih 20 marinaca da prezive 5-7 turnova. I onda dzabe ti 6 aviona koji pale i zare kada nemas sta da drzi objektive.

Sto se tice stormtalona, mislim da je stvarno dosta bolji sada kada mu stormraven daje target saturation, ali to vazi samo ako se u samom stormravenu vozi nesto sto protivnik zeli da drzi podalje od svojih unita (assault terminatori, lysander, ironclad dreka, i tome slicno) pa ne sme da trosi skyfire na talona.
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Pricao sam za AV12 avione (AV11 je minorno razlicita statistika):
- to hit samo na 6 (16% sanse)
- gledacu laser kao najcesce oruzje, najveceg dometa i sa bonusom zbog AP2 (melta je bolja ali ima mali domet, ne mogu je svi imati, i postavlja se pitanje kako ces uci u domet necemu sto leti 36"): da probijes treba ti 4+ (8% sanse)
- onda trebas da napravis 5 ili 6 na tabeli (ispod 3% sanse)
- onda jos on moze da ima cover na 5 ili 4 (ispod 2% sanse)
- pa onda jos moze da bude i mrak, koji bi dodatno spustio te sanse.

To je sto se tice matematike.

Moguce da su vozila, to ne znam, nisam citao tu novu knjigu, niti stare codexe. To i dalje ne menja cinjenicu da su ti modeli odlicni za svoje poene. Pritom ti ne treba 6 / 9 njih da bi pravili cudo. Dovoljno je i 4-5-6 da naprave haos na tabli.

Ako uzimas all fly listu uzeces i link, jer nisi moron.

Kad ti avioni dodju na tablu (a doci ce vise njih od jednom), onda taj tvog aegis i dalje treba da obori neki avion. A ostali ce da prezive. A aegis ima 2 rane. I sledeci put neces imati cime da pucas. Takodje, nije prosek da oboris avion aegisom:
Ako imas BS4:
3.5 hita ces napraviti u proseku sa RR
onda je snaga 7 protiv oklopa 12 ili 11. Dakle treba ti 6 ili 5. To je 1.1 hit ili 0.55 hitova, zavisno od oklopa, da bi napravi penetraciju. Znaci cak ni glancing hitovima ga neces ubiti u proseku.
I onda trebas da dobijes 6 na penetraciji da bi unistio letelicu.
Pritom, on mozda ima i neki cover save, noc ili nesto trece.

Znaci taj aegis - ne radi ama bas nista sam za sebe. Snaga 7 je premala za letelice. OK je protiv letecih monstera, ali to je druga prica.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Night fightinga u 99% slucajeva nece biti kada se puca na fliere posto ih u prvom turnu nema na tabli, a i 5-tom ko zna koja je situacija.

BS4 quadgun opusteno pogadja sva 4 hica i onda ti treba 4+ na AV11 da glancujes, a stormtalon ima 2 hull poena. Nije bitno sta izrolas na table-u, posto je svaki glance/pen jedan izgubljen hull poen. Quadgun komotno ubije talona po turnu.

Flieri nece imati cover osim ako se ne igra na nekom masivnom terenu ili ako ne rade evasive maneuvers, sto znaci da pucaju snapshot zarad 5+ covera.

Flieri su odlicni, tu nema sporenja. Takodje ne sporim ni da ce da budu ubitacni protiv liste ciji jedini anti-air su snapshotovi. Lista od 4-5-6 fliera bi svakako dominirala na lokalnim turnirima. Ali na ETC-u? Sumnjam, jer ce ljudi tamo biti spremni bas za to.
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Giga wrote:BS4 quadgun opusteno pogadja sva 4 hica
Da, sa takvim racunanjem, quad gun zaista jebe kevu...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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A još ako pored njega staviš velikog baju narednika Teliona sa BS6... \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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Sto je najcrnje - cak ni tada po proseku ne trebas da ubijes letaca (cak ni sa AV11) po krugu (ako protivnik radi evade) :D. I onda taj model ne radi nista drugo, i nemas nikakav drugi vid anti-aira jer imas stari codex :lol: , te tvoje figure jos nisu izucile metode pravljenja flakk municije :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ako ga nateras da radi evade odlicno, onda i on puca snap shotove, sto oslabljuje ceo njegov alpha strike i povecava sansu da ce tvoji flieri (ako su vec na stolu) da dozive da uzvrate paljbu.

Deluje mi da uporno ides sa pretpostavkom da protivnik nema nikakav anti-air osim jednog quad-guna, a takve liste sumnjam da ce biti uobicajene na ETC-u + tim lideri ce gledati da liste bez anti-fliera ne igraju protiv flier-heavy listi.
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U kom momentu su odlucili da se ponovo igra sa Victory Points? Otkud sad to? I zasto nije updateovano na ovoj temi? Ne mozemo svi da guglamo na kom se tacno forumu sta dogovara za ETC, imamo kapitena za to (koliko znam).

Ako se vec igra sa VP (sto je totalno retardirano, ali ajde), kako se boduje ako pobedis sa negativnim VP? Kako se tretiraju gaunti koje mama rodi - imaju VP ili nemaju VP?
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Boco VP su poeni u misiji, kapiras? Svaki objectiv 3 i tako to....
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
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"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
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Mrzimsvee wrote:Boco VP su poeni u misiji, kapiras? Svaki objectiv 3 i tako to....
pogledaj onaj spanish rulespack, 14 poena dobijes od objectives tj sadasnjih VP, a 6 od razlike u ubijenim *starim* VP.

Evo quote od onog sto je Kapiten Luka postovao na sekciji za novi sad:
Difference Of Old Victoy Points (6 Battle Points)

VP dif ---- Winner -- Loser
0-350 -------- 3 ------- 3
351-700 ----- 4 ------- 2
701-1050 ---- 5 ------- 1
1051+ -------- 6 ------- 0
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Meni se nekako cini da je to neka referenca za prethodni Rules pack.
Mada verovatno gresim......
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
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Elem posle cca 12 minuta vrsljanja po forumu:
Trenutni OLD VP scoring koji je predlozen je bio sastavni deo Spanish Rulespacka. Da li ce isti postojati, ne zna se, jer od 17 zemalja koje su glasale, neke su glasale za, neke ne (nisam brojao koliko) ali nisu glasale na isti nacin u kom formatu da postoji (neko je cak predlozio kao tertiarni break-up, da postoje i TP, i VP, i OLD VP). Kada se glasalo, mnogi su predlozili Spanski rulespack kao najbolji od predlozenih, ne nuzno da ce se svi delovi njega koristiti doslovce.

Jedino se sada postavlja pitanje za NS, a ja bih da taj problem odmah sasecem u korenu: Kad je vec dule rekao da igramo po celom spanihs packu, igramo po celom, ostaju stari VP, ako dobijes sa negativnim VP protivnik dobije malo vise poena i to je to.
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Kao što rekoh ja to ništa ne razumem a u frci sam pa ne mogu da se udubljujem. Dogovorite se danas i javite mi. Uzeću Duletovu odluku kao konačnu.

Samo vas molim da sastavite svoju odluku na engleskom kao odgovor na pitanje da ne moram ja da prevodim pa da nešto još pobrljavim u prevodu jer se nešto podrazumevalo a ja to ne znam :).
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http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/02/whats- ... the-relic/

Odlican i temeljan clanak o problemima sa pravilima u GRAB THE RELIC misiji.

Kako nameravamo da se nosimo sa ovim na novosadskom turniru? Mogu li vozila i motori da turbo-boostuju sa relicom? Moze li independent character u scoring unitu da preuzme relic (jerbo pravila kazu da model u scoring unitu moze da uzme relic, a IC-ovi su tehnicki gledano deo unita kada mu se pridruze)? Sta se desava ako je night scythe u kome se nalaze nekron warriori koji drze relic unisten, pa oni moraju da idu u rezervu? Moze li flying transport u kome se nalazi relic da odleti sa table ukoliko je na manje od 6" od ivice? Kada jedan model drugome dodaje relic, moze li relic da napravi krug tako da stoji sa skroz druge strane modela koji ga je preuzeo, time dobijajuci dodatnih par incha movementa?

Apelujem da sudije svakako pogledaju clanak.
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:wall: :wall: :wall:
Zasto komplikuju stvari gde nema problema?

Relic nije objective marker. Kada ga ga "preuzmes" uklanja se sa table i kazes kod kog modela je. I SVI PROBLEMI RESENI. Zasto komplikovati sa time da moras da ga ostavis na tabli? Nigde nije naznaceno da ostaje, ajte malo ukljucite mozak. Da ne spominjmem da se tamo na topicu zale da im je krivo sto njihov model moze odmah da zagine u protivnickom shootingu, ali protivnik ne moze odmah da ga pokupi. Well, d'uh. Imamo malo razlicitu misiju do sada i odmah svi kenjkave kako je "teska"? ma daj.

Da li flyer moze da zoomuje van table? ne, cim zumuje, srusi se, nebitno sto je ostalo 5 incha table, on se kretao 18 incha. Sta ce biti sa relicom ako ga imaju u nightschute? nista, on ce ispasti gde je avion, ovi ce otici u rezervu. Da li IC moze da ga preuzme? da.

Eto, sve odgovoreno.
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Pa zar nije to bila poslednja mislija na "velikom" turniru u septembru???
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Jeste, i niko nije imao problem koliko se secam.
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Slazem se ja sve sa tobom Boco u vezi toga, ali poenta je da bi valjalo da ima neki FAQ ili da bar sudije znaju siguran odgovor na to, posto vidis da nekim ljudima u inostranstvu to pravi problem. Pa da ne bi na turniru jedan sudija rekao da moze relic da se nosi sa table, a da drugi kaze da ne moze.
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Moja poenta je da na pocetku rulespacka treba da stoji "use common sence". ali dobro, posto su neki ljudi specijalni (cudno kako ih u inostranstvu ima na izvoz i svi vise po forumima), trebalo bi da se stavi prosto u rulespack:
situacija koja NIJE povoljna po tebe ce se dogoditi. Znaci, neces moci da ga odneses sa table.

Sve ostalo se prosto resi detaljem gde napises da dok god ga model nosi, relic nije fizicki na tabli da ne bi neko dobijao pametne ideje sa hand-off BloodBowl plays i slicnim stvarima koje videh tamo.
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Posto se za odlazak na ETC izgleda sve vise i vise smanjuje intresovanje ja bi zamolio da svi koji bi isli napisu tako tj. dodaju se na spisak, da bi polako napravili sastanak da vidimo koje liste nam trebaju u kom broju i ko ce sta da vodi.

Za sada oni koji su meni poznati da su sigurni su :

1. RatGod
2. Ota
3. Nenad Nikolic
4. Nikola Nikolic
5. Ridji
6. Boca
7. Sutic
8.

Znaci koji su sigurni neka se dopisu, sastanak ce biti organizovan uskoro da se vidi sta cemo i kako dalje sto zavisi od broja prijavljenih. Ono sto je sigurno jeste da nam je potrebno bar 9 ili 10 ljudi.
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Zar opet?

Meni je relevantna tabela koja kaze sledeci spisak:
1.Nenad 30,5
2.Giga 26
3.Nikola 23
4.Ota 22
5.Ridji 19
6.Boca 15
7.No1 15 (koliko sam razumeo, izjavio je da ne zeli da se igra, sorry ako gresim)
8.Luka 13.5
9.Pera 12 (uslovno zainteresovan, ako se ne varam, sorry ako gresim)
10.Nemanja 10 (uslovno zainteresovan, ako se ne varam, sorry ako gresim; moje licno misljenje je da bih njega voleo da vidim u timu)
11.Sutic 9
12.Milinovic 7 (nezainteresovan koliko sam razumeo, sorry ako gresim)
13.Luka Rajacic 7 (pod znakom pitanja zbog vremena, para, farbanja, svega, koliko sam razumeo, sorry ako gresim)
(svi ispod su nezainteresovani / odustali, koliko sam ja razumeo stvari, a izvinjavam se ako gresim)
14.Steva 4
15.Zerg 3
16.Igor 2
17.Danko 1
18.Dorian 1
19.Djole 1
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Slazem se. Iz liste je valjda ocigledno, ali evo da kazem da bih i ja isao definitivno.
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Brate Nenade verovatno postoji razlog zasto sam postovao za to (koji tebi ne mora da bude jasan niti bilo sta jer jednostavno ne znas,i stoga te molim ubuduce da postujes nesto sto ne stvara zabunu a sve ostalo mozes da me pitas preko pm-a).

Ok, znaci :

1. RatGod
2. Ota
3. Nenad Nikolic
4. Nikola Nikolic
5. Ridji
6. Boca
7. Sutic
8. Giga
9. Nemanja

Cini mi se da je ovo manje vise konacan spisak, ostavicu celu narednu nedelju da se javi jos neko (ostali sa onog spiska su odustali ili su ne sigurni, tj. manja im je sansa da idu). Posle toga ce biti sastanak samo igraca koji budu na spisku gde i kada bicete na vreme obavesteni do tada ,smislite sta bi vodili i da li bi isli na pobedu, draw sa jedne strane i da li bi pravili Anti air, anti hord, anti tenk ili jednostavno da kaunterujete tj budete upareni sa njihovim najjacim listama.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Ne vidim koji problem imas sam sa sobom? Ovo je javna tema. Tim je javan. Kvalifikacije su bile javne. Znaci tim tvojim shrouded komentarima nema mesta. Jednostavno je tako.

Pritom mislim da nemas pravo generalno da dajes takve komentare jer si se pojavio ukupno na 2 kvalifikaciona turnira. A kao kapiten si trebao da budes na svakom. Redosled je onakav kakav sam napisao, a ne takav kakav ti pises. Znaci sebe stavi na mesto koje si zasluzio u kvalifikacijama, a ne na prvo. U tvom slucaju nije mnogo bitno, jer je Nikola dobar covek, pa ti nece odabrati Dark Angels pre tebe :D, ali je vrlo bitno na kom mestu su Giga i Sutic, jer i jedan i drugi imaju samo SM listu. Pa je pitanje da li su zainteresovani da igraju sa necim drugim i da li ima neko ko moze da im ponudi nesto drugo. Slicno vazi i za Bocu i Ridjeg.

Slazem se da je sastanak uzivo najbolje resenje. Predlazem da Dule kao neutralac predlozi svim zainteresovanim igracima na PM datum i vreme za sledeci sastanak. I mislim da je bolje da tamo pricamo o svemu, jer sa komentarima kakve ostavljas ovde, imam debeli problem da se suzdrzim u svojim odgovorima :D. Pitanja koja ja predlazem za sastanak:
- da li mesec dana pre predaje liste mozete imati ofarbanu vojsku (da ne bi 2 dana pred turnir bilo: ups, nemam 200 ofarbanih gardista koje sam hteo da izvedem)? Znam da je 3 boje lako naneti, ali i to trazi neko vreme.
- da li ste sposobni da sastavite listu nedelju dana pre roka?
- kada predate listu, da li ste spremni da je ostavite na raspolaganju, za slucaj da budete spreceni (bolest, smrtni slucaj, ne znam, ne zelim da razmisljam)?
- da li ste spremni da procitate ceo rulebook u narednih nedelju-dve (ukoliko do sada niste)?
- da li ste spremni da se pojavljujete u klubu i igrate?
- da li ste spremni da prihvatite komentare prilikom partije?
- da li ste spremni da komentare prihvatite na racionalan nacin?
- ko nam je kapiten? Jer ako Luka hoce da igra, a Dule je sudija, mora da bude neko drugi kapiten?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja bi po ko zna koji put zamolio VD kapitena da kao neki vajni akademski građanin obrati pažnju kako na sadržaj, tako i na gramatiku/interpunkciju u svojim postovima koje ostavlja na forumu :!: :!: :!:

Luka, možeš da se duriš ili ne, ali ti si druga osoba na ovom forumu, posle Kirgana, za čije sam postove morao da tražim prevod...

Mogao bi da pokažeš bar elementarno poštovanje potencijalnih čitalaca tvojih postova time što ćeš obratiti pažnju na to šta i kako pišeš.

Evo na primer, pročitaj početak svog posta:
Brate Nenade verovatno postoji razlog zasto sam postovao za to (koji tebi ne mora da bude jasan niti bilo sta jer jednostavno ne znas,i stoga te molim ubuduce da postujes nesto sto ne stvara zabunu a sve ostalo mozes da me pitas preko pm-a).
Šta bi to trebalo da znači :?: :?: :?:

Dakle, pokaži malo poštovanja prema sebi, pa samim tim i prema drugima, time što ćeš za početak pisati razumljivo...
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Deko ako vec ne zelis da ides na ETC molim te nemoj da trpas temu ne potrebnim stvarima.

Nenade spisak nije i redosled ucesnika nego samo spisak. Ja sam dolazio kad sam mogao i nemam nameru da se pravdam ni tebi ni drugima, pri tome oni koji su sapoceli ovu pricu samnom su znali gde sam i zasto ne dolazim. Sto se tice biranja vojiska to uopste sada nije tema (a sto se tice vezano za tvog brata ko ce koju vojisku voditi izmedju nas dvojice to pusti da se mi sami dogovorimo, bas kao sto i ja pustam drugima pa tek ako ne mogu da se dogovore onda moze tim da kaze sta misli sta je bolje da ko vodi).

Dule je rekao vise puta da ne zeli ovim da se bavi, i ne moze da stigne ( trebalo je i ovakav slican post da napravi pa kako nije onda sam ja to uradio ).

Sto se tice kapitenstva mesas dve stvari, kapiten je jedno ( i molim da kad se izjasni ako neko hoce da bude to sada dok nije sve gotovo, tj. necu da se desi da ja sve jurcam i onda neko dodje i kaze e ja cu, nego neka pocne odmah sada ako misli da moze bolje), a menadzer tj. onaj ko uparuje i prati sta se desava je nesto drugo (i to po meni treba da bude onaj rezervni igrac, posto ima dovoljno vremena da promisli o svemu, i to bi bio Nemanja, po meni naravno).

Pitanja su ti na mestu ali kazem daj da vidimo sa koliko ljudi konacno raspolazemo tako da nemojte da gusite temu nego pustite da se vidi da li ima jos neko pa cemo onda da vidimo ko je koji na listi ko sta vodi itd.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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RatGod wrote:Deko, ako vec ne zelis da ides na ETC, molim te nemoj da trpas temu ne potrebnim nepotrebnim stvarima.

Nenade, spisak nije i redosled ucesnika, nego samo spisak. Ja sam dolazio kad sam mogao i nemam nameru da se pravdam, ni tebi, ni drugima. Pri tome, oni koji su zapoceli ovu pricu samnom, su znali znali su gde sam i zasto ne dolazim. Sto se tice biranja vojiski, to uopste sada nije tema (a sto se tice vezano za tvog brata, ko ce koju vojisku voditi izmedju nas dvojice, to pusti da se mi sami dogovorimo, bas kao sto i ja pustam drugima, pa tek ako ne mogu da se dogovore, onda moze tim da kaze sta misli sta da je bolje da ko ko da vodi).

Dule je rekao vise puta da ne zeli ovim da se bavi, i ne moze da stigne ( trebalo (trebalo je i ovakav slican post da napravi, pa kako nije, onda sam ja to uradio ) uradio).

Sto se tice kapitenstva, mesas dve stvari,: kapiten je jedno ( i (i molim da kad se sada izjasni, ako neko hoce da bude, to sada dok nije sve gotovo, tj. necu da se desi da ja sve jurcam i onda neko dodje i kaze: "E ja cu", nego neka pocne odmah sada, ako misli da moze bolje), a menadzer, tj. onaj ko uparuje i prati sta se desava, je nesto drugo (i to, po meni po mom misljenju, treba da bude onaj rezervni igrac, posto ima dovoljno vremena da promisli o svemu, i to bi bio Nemanja, po meni po mom misljenju, naravno).

Pitanja su ti na mestu, ali kazem - daj da vidimo sa koliko ljudi konacno raspolazemo, tako da nemojte da gusite temu, nego pustite da se vidi da li ima jos neko, pa cemo onda da vidimo ko je koji na listi, ko sta vodi itd.
Evo Deko, najbolje sto sam ja mogao. Izvini ako sam negde pogresio.

Elem, sto se tice odgovora...

Ne kazem da trebas da se pravdas, daleko od toga. Samo nemoj da imas takav stav kakav imas. To da li ces ti doci ili neces je tvoja stvar, od toga zavisi da li ces uci u top 8, i koji ces biti na spisku, i to je to. A ako si zaboravio kako se sastavljao WH tim, podseticu te da si ti, izmedju ostalog, razlog zbog koga smo odrzali ovakve kvalifikacije, kakve smo odrzali. Pa shodno tome, mislim da si ti poslednji koji bi trebao nekoga da preskace na spisku. Jer ni sam nisi bas bio srecan kada su tebe preskakali. Toliko od mene na tu temu. Kao sto rekoh - mislim da je bolje da pricamo uzivo.

Sto se tice Nemanje, ja cu izneti svoje licno misljenje - on je primer toga kakvog bih ja igraca zeleo da imam u timu. Odlicno igra. Odlicno poznaje pravila. Ume da sastavi armiju. Ume da primeni to sto je sastavio. I pri svemu tome je veoma prijatan prilikom igranja. Meni licno bi bilo veoma zao da on ne bude clan tima.

Sto se tice kapitena, ja sam razumeo da je on jedini koji sme da se obraca sudiji. I da on uparuje igrace. A to definitivno treba da bude osoba koja ne igra. Jer da bi dobro upario, moras da ides i da gledas ko kako igra i sta i kako vodi u armiji. A da bi se obratio sudiji, moras da ne prekidas svoj mec (inace ces uvek gubiti zbog odugovlacenja). Bez brige, niko drugi nece biti kapiten, jer onda necemo moci da te zajebavamo da si El Kapiteno Bartoreli :D.

Inace, ponovicu se, ne znam koji put - do turnria ima jos puno, i dotle je pitanje sta ce sve biti i da li cemo imati i tih 8 igraca. I bio bi dobar sastanak na tu temu. Mislim da je trenutak da pocnemo da razmisljamo o farbanju, rasporedu u timu, ko sta vodi, kako vodi, itd. Ako Dule ne zeli da ucestvuje u celoj prici, a tebi svakako niko nece da skine "dead chicken on his head" traku, onda posalji ti svima na PM datum i vreme skupljanja i teme o kojima cemo razgovarati. I to posalji svima koji su na kvalifikacionom spisku, bez obzira na to da li ti "znas" da taj neko nece da igra. To je jedino fer. Jer inace - zasto smo drzali kvalifikacije?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Nije mi tesko posla cu svima ali kazem bas zato sto se ne jave onda ovde ljudi dodaju se na spisak i cao?

Pa zato sto sam se ja i zalagao da budu zvanicne kvalifikacije zato cemo i imati vise igraca iz Beograda u timu za WHFB zar ne (znaci upalilo je :D ) ?

Sto se tice kapitena ja hocu sad i dalje da predam nekom ko hoce to sada da radi (i taj posao obuhvata pracenje foruma i kontakte sa strancima) a ne kada sve vec bude gotovo, a coach je taj koji radi uparivanja i nadlgeda partije ( coach i kapiten mogu da budu i jedna osoba ili dve, zavisi manje vise od toga da li kapiten igra, moje je misljenje da posto igram to treba da bude neko drugi ali to ce TIM odluciti).

Neka stoji ovde da se ljudi prijave do kraja sledece nedelje, posle toga saljem vreme i datum sastanka (gledacu da to bude vikend), i bilo bi obavezno da se SVI clanovi TIMA okupe !
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

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Zato sto su se ljudi vec javili. Vise puta. Postoji tabela. Postoje kvalifikacije. Nije moje, tvoje, niti bilo cije da razmisljamo o tome. Ako si ti preuzeo na sebe da budes kapiten, tvoje je da obavestis sve koji su se prijavili kao zainteresovani. A njihovo je da se odazovu ili ne. Inace u suprotnom postajes isti kao oni drugi, zbog kojih ti nije bas bilo drago.

Nisi shvatio moje pitanje - da li je kapiten jedini koji moze da se oglasi sudijama? Ili je to coach / menadzer / kako god se zove "onaj drugi"? Ili oba?

Ne citaju svi forum. Oni koji citaju, ne necitaju stalno. A neki onda jos ne citaju sve. Npr. Nikola ume cesto da upadne u svoj warp sa igricama i da danima ne cita forum, bude nedostupan na mob, itd. Pritom neke smara da se 56 puta prijavljuju za jednu istu stvar (ukljucujuci i mene).

Ne kontam samo deo sa tvojim kukanjem oko kapitena - da li ti to zelis ili ne? Ako zelis, onda cuti tu - malo cemo te zezati da si El Kapiteno Bartoreli i to je to :D. Ako ne zelis da radis to, izvlacicemo slamku svi na sledecem sastanku i kraj price.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

Post by joggy »

ja samo mislim da bi kvalifikacije trebalo uskoro zavrsiti, jer mislim da je oko 2 meseca koji su prvobitno bili predvidjeni za spremanje za ETC premalo. Niko od nas nece imati armiju kakvu treba da ima, sto ce reci morace da se kupe neki modeli, da se sve to ofarba u tri boje i da se iskalkulise kakve kombinacije su najbolje, te da se i odigra koja partija sa time.
Sve ovo naravno ako i dalje stojimo pri tome da treba ici ozbiljno na taj turnir.

I da, sve nedoumice treba resiti uzivo, forum nije bas mesto za to.
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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

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Ok javicu svima samo mi reci jel dovoljno pm?

Sto se tice uparivanja odredimo jednu osobu za to ne mora da bude kapiten.
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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

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Za sad sta se zna od rules packa (ostatak sledi uskoro, tako pise) :

Rulespack for Novi Sad ETC 2013 v1.0

1.Tournament outline
Every player is expected to have read and abide by the stipulations lined up in the ETC charter : viewtopic.php?f=43&t=69474

1.1 Format:
The 40K ETC is an 8 player Team Tournament.
1850 pts Armies, Standard Force Organization Chart.
Armies have to be fully painted/based and be WYSIWYG.
Teams will be matched by swiss system after the first round which will be randomly drawn by means of the magic fingers of Tom and Pierre.
Battles have max 3hours in addition to the 30 minute set aside for pairings (3.5 hour rounds)
Battles will take place on 72"x 48" tables
Official language of the tournament is English.
The date for the Tournament are: 9-10-11 August 2013.
Event FAQ can be found here : viewtopic.php?f=43&t=112013

1.2 Team formation
A Team should consist of a minimum of 8 playing members; a 9th non-playing member may also attend the tournament to act as a coach for the team. The Team must have a nominated Captain (either playing or non-playing).

The Team Captain is responsible for the conduct of his/her Team. They are responsible for pairing their Team each round (see section 4.2), submitting results (see section 4.1), and can be called in for a 40K Captains Council in certain situations.

The non-playing Team Member is allowed to:
- Be the Team Captain
- Do the Pairings
- Collate and submit Team Results
- Ask questions about how the game is going
- Tell their player they require a win/draw/loss
The non-playing Team Member is not allowed to:
- Give Tactical advice (they may not tell their player ‘how’ to get that win/draw/loss!)
- Speak to their Team player in their native language

Any of the 9 team members may perform a player replacement : play a game with any of the 8 armies submitted by the team in replacement of another team member for the duration of a whole round. Replacement during rounds (ie when games are already started) will not be allowed except under extraordinary circumstances validated by a joint decision by the head referees. A Captain must petition this change before the head referees. Any breach of these rules is to be brought to the immediate attention of a Referee.

1.3 Tournament Schedule
TBA

2. Rules

2.1 General Rules
The 40K ETC is governered by the standards and rules in this document in addition to those laid down in the ETC Charter. We play with the 6th edition of the Warhammer 40000 rules. Special/Unique characters may be used without any additional restrictions.
English version of army books and rulebook take priority over other versions.
Each player must have all codices and rules they're using, army roster, dices, measure tape and templates.
All official FAQ and ETC Rules Clarifications are in use and need to be brought to the table by the players.
White Dwarf official updates may be used during the tournament.
Link to the current ETC Rules Clarifications:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=110151

2.2 Referees
The Tournament will be officiated by 3 Head Referees and they can be supported by any number of Line Referees. A Referee may never rule on a table where their own Nation is competing. A Referees word is usually final, but if a captain does not agree with a certain decision he can petition a head ref for another opinion. Abuse of this right will not be tolerated. A red/yellow card system will be implemented, and each offense that warrants such a card will come with a reduction in gamepoints (used as tiebreaker) or worse, might result in a team losing matchpoints gathered during the tournament.

A player or Team may receive any number of yellow cards before receiving a Red however a repeat offence that involves the same Player/Team should be strongly considered for a more severe penalty (for example another yellow card with a higher gaming point fine). A Yellow card with a 20-0 Fine is allowed.

Yellow Card – Warning. Offending Player and Players Captain are both warned. Referee may choose to fine the player Gaming points, however the Referee may not directly affect Match points as per the ETC Charter.

Red Card – Sin-bin. Offending Player auto-concedes the game (20-0) and must leave the hall till the end of the round. This is so a violent or abusive player has a cool down period before they are allowed back in the gaming hall.

A Referee issuing a Gaming Point fine will ask for the Teams Result Sheet prior to submission at the end of the round. They are to annotate the Fine on the Offending players score and to ensure that this is correctly implemented with the Admin Staff.

3. Armies
TBA once we get ally restrictions in order.


Army lists (codices) which will be published after 14th june 2013 won't be used. FAQ published after list submission dates will not be used either.

3.2 Army lists limitations :
TBA

4. Games

4.1 Scoring system :
A match between teams consists of 8 individual games.
On the individual level: Game Points
***Scoring system ***
TBA

At the team level : Match points
Team result consist of the sum of its players game points.

Match Points :
Team result, match points
86-160 = Win, 2 points
75-85 = Draw, 1 point
0-74 = Loss, 0 points

If two or more teams have the same number of team points (2/1/0) at the end of the tournament, game points gained from all battles will decide the champion.

4.2 Team players pairing system :
Captains will have 10 minutes before each match to decide who will play with which opponnent. They can consult with and use the help of the rest the of the team freely.

Players during match will be matched by Captains in that way :
"Secret challenge" - At the start of the pairing captains chose secretly one player - a champion. Champion can be different from round to round. Both names of champions are written down at the start of the pairing on a separate piece of paper and revealed and the end of it. Champions play on the last available table.

After that:
1. Both captains roll a dice.
2. Captain A who rolled lowest puts forward player A.
3. Captain B puts a player to fight player A.
4. Captain A choses a table for that game.
5. Captain B who rolled highest puts forward player B.
6. Captain A puts a player to fight player B.
7. Captain B choses a table for that game.
8. Captain A .....

4.3 Missions :
TBA

4.4 Terrain
We're aiming for an even distribution of terrain types and coverage between all the rows, so teams don't get advantaged for playing in this or that row. Terrain will be placed by the organisation and cannot be adjusted during the tournament. Captains will give their OK before the tournament by going through all rows and tables. This is the ONLY time where comments/remarks can be made about terrain on a table that has to be switched around. A ref will take the comments to heart and change/displace terrain where and how he sees fit.

5. Lists Submission :
Names of players with armies and team army lists are to be submitted by 23:59 on the 1st of July 2013. Each country will be assigned 4 countries to check their army lists for errors. Teams have one week to do this and another week to make all necessary corrections. Teams that meet those deadlines and submit correct army lists will receive 2 Team points (as for one team win). Referee corp will award the correct list submission bonus. Glaring errors might result in a reduction in gamepoints, under the purview of the Referee corp. This is the ETC. Making correct lists and submitting them in the correct format should be no mean task. Army lists are first going to be posted on secret captains forum. After the submission deadline they will be published in the public section for all to see.

Army lists are to be submitted in the following approved format (Use plaintext-format, readable in forum posts) :

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
TEAM : (COUNTRY)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 1: (firstname, nickname, secondname)
ARMY PRIMARY DETACHMENT DESCRIPTION : (codex used, ...)
ARMY ALLIED DETACHMENT DESCRIPTION : (codex used, ...)

PRIMARY DETACHMENT:
HQ1 : (codex entry name, detailed cost of every options & wargear and their multiplier if any, transport reference number if relevant) [(point total without transport)pts]
HQ2 : (idem supra...)
Elite1 : (...)
Elite2 : (...)
Elite 3 : (...)
Troop 1 : (...)
Troop 2 : (...)
Troop 3 : (...)
Troop 4 : (...)
Troop 5 : (...)
Troop 6 : (...)
FA1: (...)
FA2: (...)
FA3: (...)
HS1: (...)
HS2: (...)
HS3: (...)
Transport1 : (codex entry name, detailed cost of every options & wargear and their multiplier if any, unit transported) [(point total)pts]
Transport2 : (idem supra...)
TransportX : (...)
(don't forget to delete unused entries)
PRIMARY TOTAL [(point total)pts]


ALLIED DETACHMENT:
HQ1 : (codex entry name, detailed cost of every options & wargear and their multiplier if any, transport reference number if relevant) [(point total without transport)pts]
Elite1 : (...)
Troop 1 : (...)
Troop 2 : (...)
FA1: (...)
HS1: (...)
Transport1 : (codex entry name, detailed cost of every options & wargear and their multiplier if any, unit transported) [(point total)pts]
Transport2 : (idem supra...)
TransportX : (...)
(don't forget to delete unused entries)
ALLIED TOTAL [(point total)pts]

ARMY TOTAL [(point total)pts]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 2: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 3: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 4: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 5: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 6: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 7: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PLAYER 8: (...)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

6. Version history :
2013/03/08 v1.0 by Tomepnk
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

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Upravo su poslate pozivnice svima za ETC 2013 40k, AKO SLUCAJNO IMA NEKO KOGA SAM IZOSTAVIO NEKA SE JAVI NA PM !
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

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Sastanak wh40k Tima Srbija 2013 odrzan skupilo nas se dovoljno za tim nadam se da ce svi ti ljudi i biti u stanju da idemo zajedno i predstavljamo nasu zemlju.

Tim cine :

Dzon Vejn, Joggy, Boca, Telion, Ota, Sutic, Ridji, i Ja (RatGod).


P.S. Ako se pojavi jos neko ko je zaintresovan neka se javi na pm. Od ljuti koji su se ponudili da budu rezervni igraci tu je Deka. Sastanku je prisustvovao i PeraNecron koji je ponudio svoje modele timu, na cemu mu se zahvaljujem.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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