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To pravilo ima 2 problema. Prvi ozbiljniji je: sta kada sam sebi ubijes unit (npr. tvoja velika pita se scatteruje na nesto tvoje i ubije ti; ili mag propadne kroz warp sa zadnjim wound-om; verujem da ima jos primera, ovo mi je palo na pamet posle 2 sec razmisljanja). Drugi je: to opet pojacava igru "mini-max" jedinica (npr. kada igras sa demonima, vise ti nije bitno da li ces igrati prvi ili drugi, jer ako tvoja 3 flamera umru, ti ubijes to sto je ubilo njih i kvit ste).

Sa druge strane je odlicno, jer smanjuje ulogu onoga "ja igram prvi i sad ti ubijem nesto i napravim first blood, i smejem ti se". I pojacava malo vozila (skupe 1-wound modele), sto je dobro.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Mrzimsvee wrote:
RatGod wrote:Takodje postoje indikacije da ce se ubaciti dodatni VP za nesto sto se zove Nemesis, to je zapravno da unit koji uzme First blood, postaje Nemesis tj. ako ga ubijes dobijes jedan VP (i samim tim negira taj FB, tj. povecava sansu da zapravno moras dobro da razmislis sa cime ces da uzmes FB i onda da cuvas taj unit, a ne samo drop podujes ubijes nesto i to je to) meni ovo zvuci dobro pa bi mogli da probamo na nekom turniru?
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A sta mislite o tome da jednostavno izbacite First Blood?...
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Poenta svega o cemu se raspravlja sada za ETC i sa cime se 99% ljudi slaze jeste da se sto vise je moguce zadrze osnovna pravila iz knjige, zato se ne ukida i da je malo drugaciju dimenziju igri. A jedino sto se menja ce biti misije i to cak ne ni sve prvenstveno zbog toga sto sama igra nema mnogo mana i sto dolazi dosta novih timova ;)

Jbg Dzone isto tako moze da ti se desi i da svime pucas u nesto da bi dobio FB pa qrac.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Naravno, to je ipak igra sa kockicama. Ipak, treba gledati neke proseke, jer ce oni biti aktuelni u velikom broju partija (a ekstremi u malom).

Apsolutno se slazem sa time da su pravila u knjizi sasvim dobra. Cak su mi i scenariji ok (svi), jer svaki od scenarija smeta nekom tipu vojske.

Najvise mi se svidja ona ideja sa terenima.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Ovo sa nemesis i FB je fantasticna ideja !
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Zanima me misljenje o sledecem s obzirom da je sad vec konacno da ce allys biti dozvoljeni, da li da ubacimo da je sada na svakom turniru to dozvoljeno?

Ja mislim da bi tako trebalo.
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Da i ne. Da iz razloga koji si naveo. Ne zbog toga sto tim nece moci da bude sastavljen od IG + 7 armija koje vode IG saveznike.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Da naravno to stoji ali nesto mi se cini da nema previse vojiski ,a kod nas ni ljudi sa modelima da bi koristili IG kao ally, pogotovu posto je samo po 10 tak prijavljenih, tu ima 3 sa IG kao ally.

Kako god hocete ovo je samo moje pitanje da se vidi sta ko misli?
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Kad smo kod postavljanja pitanja, ja bih voleo da provucem ovde pitanje koje sam vise puta primetio da se vrti u klubu: da li tim i dalje zeli da ide sa "dominatorskom idejom" na ETC? Jer mi se cini da je vecinski odgovor u zadnje vreme bio: ne.

Ako ne, da li je onda pre tip: idem da odigram najbolje sto mogu, bez dominatriksa? Ili nesto trece (sta)?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja bi hteo da pitam vas što planirate da idete na taj ETC, i zbog kojih se uopšte i igraju ovi kvalifikacioni turniri:

(a) Da li smatrate da kvalifikacioni turniri treba da služe da se vidi ko je najbolji igrač i najbolji taktičar, kako bi najbolji igrači Warhammer-a 40K predstavljali Srbiju :?:
(b) Ili mislite da treba da se vidi ko je najbahatiji, najveći čizer, i ko je u stanju da napravi najgore moguće liste :!: :?: :!: :?: :!: 8O 8O 8O

Ja sam iz svog mudrijašenja, što po forumu, što uživo u klubu, shvatio da je odgovor pod (a)...
A tek posle, kada tim bude odabran i kapiten oficijelno promovisan, onda ide "dodeljivanje" armija sa kojim će igrati oni koji su se kvalifikovali, pravljenje timske strategije, kao i ultra, mega, zgrom-i-puc, kakvih god, lista lista kojima idete da dominirate nesretnike protiv kojih budete igrali na tom ETC-u...

Tako da bi bilo lepo da na turnire dolazite sa "normalnim", a ne ultimativnim listama, pošto turnire igraju i ljudi koje zabole za ETC, i koji dolaze da pomognu vama u kvalifikacijama, kao i (da probaju) da se zabave...
A zabaviti se neće ako vi budete dolazili na ultimativnim listama...
I onda ako budete dolazili na turnire sa "najgorim" i najultimativnijim listama nećete imati mnogo koristi, pošto partije protiv normalnih lista dobijate na ultimatisnost svojih, i onda kada (ako) odete na taj ETC ste tek u problemu...
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Vec vise puta je bilo naglaseno da treba da bude pod a). To jest, da se na ove turnire dolazi sa kakvim god hoces listama, ali da doticne ne moraju (sta vise pozeljno je da ne budu) ETC-ready, da bi se sto bolje naucila pravila, da bi ste u kranjem slucaju nasli stil igre koji vam najvise odgovara po novoj ediciji.

Takodje, ja i dalje tvrdim da se moze i dobro zabaviti i opusteno igrati, i otici sa dominatorskom idejom. Ne vidim zasto bi jedno iskljucivalo drugo.


BTW, Dzone, ako je ovo apropo nase zadnje partije, imam samo da kazem da sam sam kriv sto sam lose igrao. To sto whine-ujem sa vremena na vreme je vise iz tog razloga. Sam sam sebi rekao da cu na ovim kvalifikacionim turnirima da izvodim sarolike liste da bih video sta ce gde da radi (ili nece) i da se prvenstveno zabavim, a sekundarno da skupim poene za ucesce, pa ako ucestvujem, e onda cu da krenem sa smisljanjem "dominatorskih" listi (koje licno ne volim, ali sta sad, ETC je ETC). Da li mislim da je tvoja lista prejaka i dominatorska? Pa ne, jaka je, mislim da demone treba mozda malo oslabiti, ali sam sam kriv jer sam znao da je jaka a dadoh ti modele na izvolte :P Dalje je jos kockica presudila da ces imati srece sa scatterom i eto, odo ja sa table :)
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Ne, nije se odnosilo ni na tebe, ni na bilo koga posebno. Jednostavno je to nesto sto sam cuo kao opsti utisak ljudi tokom / izmedju partija. Niko ne zeli da igra 6 (ili, ajde, 4 u najboljem slucaju) partija sa "specificnim" osobama (a vise sam puta cuo da npr. Djozo Grozni nije dobio cak ni zuti karton nikad....).

Ako ides sa dominatorskom idejom, to onda znaci da ces kupiti npr. 9 IG letelica, koje inace nikada u zivotu ne bi koristio. To je samo primer. Ali mozes da odes sa nekom "jakom" listom (npr 1-2 letaca, jos nesto sto je dobro, itd.), zabaviti se, dobro igrati, itd., itd.

Moja lista je jaka samo utoliko sto sam dobijao stalno onaj wave koji hocu, sto sam imao puno hitova, i sto sam prelistao pravila barem jednom (sto se pokazalo kao nedovoljno :oops: ). Tako gledano - svaka lista koja ima makar jednu letelicu je prejaka...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Da preformulisem/prevedem to za "specificne" osobe:

-Igrati sa specificnim osobama jednom tokom celog turnirskog eventa je naporno, ali izdrzljivo. I vecina se nece buniti
-Igrati sa vise specificnih osoba koje su svaka specificna na svoj nacin dva puta mesecno 6 meseci vezano ce mnogima dici kosu na glavi :D


Drugim recima, ljudi i dalje nemaju problem da igraju sa dominatorskom idejom, samo im ne treba ubiti moral pre nego sto se dodje i do samog dogadjaja. Neki ljudi nece "oguglati" ako ih vise izlazete tom uticaju, pre ce odustati totalno (i to ne samo od ETC-a), i onda ostadosmo bez igraca na duge staze.
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Ne mogu da odgovorim a da budem kratak. Pa predlazem da na ovu temu porazgovaramo sledeci put kada se vidimo, lakse je i brze ;). I nece biti divljanja po forumu ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Lepo sam ja rek'o da treba da te izđida... 8-) 8-) 8-) :) :D :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ja ove turnire koristim za ispitivanje mojih raznoraznih ludorija, jos uvek nisam izveo istu listu 2 puta, ali nemam nista protiv dominatorskih lista. Samo ipak se trudim da izvodim ono sto imam sa minimalnim glumcima, malo je heavy da igras protiv liste gde nista nije to sto jeste. Ali opet shvatam da je ovo faza ispitivanja, te i protiv takvih lista nemam nekih sad zamerki. Onaj ko dolazi sa friendly listama koristi da se vidi da li dominatorska lista radi i protiv neceg obicnog. U svakom slucaju, ako si izveo friendly listu, izgubices mozda 1 od dominatorske, i onda ces da igras 2 sa drugim slicnim listama.

ja sam i dalje za to da se na ETC ide sa ozbiljnim namerama, pa dokle se stigne.
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Ako moze, od sad- pa na dalje, neka ljudi odgovore, sto krace na sledeca pitanja. I molim vas, budite realni pre svega prema sebi, a onda i prema drugima.

1. Da li mislite da dovoljno detaljno poznajete pravila, i da li se redovno "update-ujete" (ukljucujuci sve poslednje FAQ & Erate)?
2. Da li ste sigurni da cete imati ta tri dana u avgustu slobodno (ne racunam iznenadne situacije koje mogu dovesti do neigranja)?
3. Da li ste u mogucnosti da izdvojite 100+ evra za ta tri dana (prevoz, ulaz, smestaj, hrana i pice se nece sami platiti)?
4. Da li zelite da igrate za "Team Serbia"(reprezentaciju) ili mozete da igrate i u UN/Pirates timu, ili kao dopuna za reprezentacije kojima bude failo igrac?
5. Ukoliko zelite da igrate za Srbiju, da li zelite da igrate ozbiljno, "ciljajuci" na sto bolji plasman na ETC-u (ako je vas vecinski odgovor DA spremite se za neke od mozda od najneprijatnijih partija u vasem zivotu)?
6. Da li mozete da zaboravite na sve eventualne nesuglasice sa ljudima iz zajednice tokom ETC-a (ukoliko bude ovakvih slucajeva, a mislim da ce ih biti)?

Tacni odgovori ne postoje, vec cete sami videti koliko vas zaista jeste u mogucnosti da igra na ETC-u. I mislim da taj broj nece preci 10 (8+2rezerve) sto nase kvalifikacije za ETC cine besmislenim, ako mene pitate.
Ovo sam okacio jer vidim da interesovanje za turnire polako opada, a ne zelim da dalje odrzavanje kvalifikacija dovede samo do pogorsanja odnosa izmedju buducih saigraca. I ovako su nam odnosi u zajednici na nezavidnom nivou, a nije kao da nas ima nesto puno, pa da mozemo sebi da dozvolimo taj "luksuz". :roll:
Dovoljno se i ovako prepiremo i prepucavamo preko foruma i na turnirima, i zajednicu koja je vec i ovako mala, rasparcavamo i cinimo jos manjom. Znamo da su neki ljudi prestali da dolaze zbog ETC-a, neki koji igraju kvalifikacije vec sada kazu kako ne zele tamo da igraju, itd itd..dakle, ajde da napravimo jedan presek i da vidimo ima li dalje potrebe da ovim ili da pokusamo da se sastavimo prvo kao ljudi a onda i kao igraci/reprezentacija.

P.S. Da ne budem pogresno shvacen- ne mislim da svi treba sve da vole, samo skrecem paznju na to da je u poslednje vreme bilo previse nekih gluih prepirki koje su samo eskalirale zbog ETC-a.

P.S.S. Nisam citao prethodne postove, tako da nisam u toku sta je pisano pre i da li se mozda vec o ovome razgovaralo. Ako jeste izvinjavam se na "otkrivanju tople vode"...
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Da otvorimo sezonu:

1. Ne, iako redovno citam. Nadam se da cu do tada.
2. Da
3. Da
4. Da
5. Da
6. Da, TOKOM ETC-a.

Zasto ovo zadnje naglasavam? Zato sto ne zelim da dozivim najneprijatniju partiju u svom zivotu tokom priprema za ETC. Na ETC-u, sa nekom random osobom, da, za to sam spreman. Tokom priprema, da se tu sada stvori neki novi animozitet... ne hvala. Imajte razumevanja, mi treba da se druzimo i igramo i posle ovog ETC-a.
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Pitanje broj 5 je ono oko cega se ne razumemo svi. Ostalo mislim da je jasno svima sve.

Ja zelim da idem da igram najbolje sto umem i mogu. Ali ne ako to treba da podrazumeva da igram na taknutno-maknuto, liberalno dodeljivanje pravila (sve letelice imaju 5+ save po defaultu), zaboravljanje svojih bitnih negativnih pravila, itd., itd., da bi tim bio sto bolje plasiran. Time ne zelim da se bavim, i u tako necemu necu ucestvovati. Protiv takvih protivnika, radije cu da izgubim automatski, nego da izgubim zivce.

P.S.: Pitanje broj 1: Boca spada u ljude koji bolje poznaju pravila. A pogledajte njegov odgovor...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Dodatak: da se ne bismo bavili teorijama "kako to izgleda tamo", jer niko od nas nije bio, postavio sam konkretna pitanja na valhalinom forumu onima koji su vec bili na ETC turnirima. Kad stignu odgovori uradicu quote ovde za one koji ne prate valhalin forum.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Dzon Vejn wrote: ...P.S.: Pitanje broj 1: Boca spada u ljude koji bolje poznaju pravila. A pogledajte njegov odgovor...
Boca je iskren i svestan cinjenicnog stanja.
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To upravo i jeste ono sto sam hteo da kazem...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Dodatak: da se ne bismo bavili teorijama "kako to izgleda tamo", jer niko od nas nije bio, postavio sam konkretna pitanja na valhalinom forumu onima koji su vec bili na ETC turnirima. Kad stignu odgovori uradicu quote ovde za one koji ne prate valhalin forum.
Nisi ni morao, dovoljno je da procitas poneki post na warhammer.org-u pa da ti sve bude jasno. Dule i ja smo odavno zakljucili da je ETC WHFB izvor svog zla u warhammer zajednici. Tamo se radjaju congo linije, spamovi sa pojednim modelom, proxi hemmer i sl. Cinimi se da je ETC 40k drugaciji, od hobistickog dela preko comp sistema, do samih igraca. ETC tim Srbije sa tim nema iskustva jer su igrali WHFB i to su igrali fenjer partije. Nemaju dodirnih tacaka sa onim bitangama poput Asgera, za koga je tvoj mezimac Djozo mala devojcica. To je kategorija za sebe.
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Mislim da ce ipak umeti da odgovore, opisno, na ono sto sam pitao. Vecinu toga. Ne zelim da zakljucujem na osnovu citanja sa foruma. Iz puno razloga. Sacekacu konkretne odgovore na ona pitanja.

Conga linija, korner hammer, isl. su stilovi igre. Kao sto je i chaos zmaj sa 3+ ward i RR, i RR spellova, itd. To sto neko ima jaku listu i ume da je igra je jedno. Ja sa tim nemam problem. Moja pitanja su se odnosila na nesto sasvim drugo (gde je nebitno kakvu listu imas, vec kako se ponasas).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Kada se vidimo obajsnicu ti sta sam mislio. Da ne gusim ovde.
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Videli ste verovatno sta kazu ljudi koji su isli vise godina tamo. Donja polovina se igra. Gornja polovina se igra saha. Za prvo mesto moramo da imamo i svoje sudije, koji ce suditi u nasu korist (trebam li da napomenem da je sudijina poslednja? Jer crveni karton = dva puta po 0 poena). Top half partije se igraju na taknuto-maknuto (verujem da je to u 40k jos izrazenije, jer tamo to cak stoji u pravilima, verovali ili ne - osnovnim pravilima). Zatim, sasvim je legalno da te protivnika vara i krade, ako ti to ne primetis. Jebiga, tvoj problem sto ne znas sva pravila napamet (koliko ljudi kod nas zna pravila, npr., za dark eldare i sestre? Pa i za DH...). Primera radi, Oracle of Tzeentch nema nikakvu negativnu osobinu, ako protivnik ne zna za nju.

Ali mozemo vise o tome uzivo, tako je mozda i najbolje.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Koliko ja vidim, i od ovoga opet nece biti nista. Proslo je 24 sata od Nemanjinog posta. Jedino sam se ja udostojio da odgovorim na pitanja.

Nemoj slucajno da je neko sad postovao "jao, znas, nisam stigao". Bili ste na forumu. Nemoguce da svi niste stigli.
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Neki verovano nisu hteli ;). A neka pitanja nisu bas bila za odgovaranje da/ne ;). Mislim da je o ovakvim stvarima najbolje uzivo ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Jeste da ne namerravam ici na ETC osim mozda kao rezerva rezerve rezerve , ali evo vam... :)

1. Ne, Ne. Sa druge strrane spreman sam pred turnir (BG) da sednem i da ih naucim.
3. Da, ali nemam neku posebnu zelju.
4. Ako bih igrao to bi bilo iskljucivo za Team Serbia. Da se igram na random mogu na svakom turniru.
5. Ne. Tj. igrao bih ozbiljno (ne bih samo gurao figure), ali niti bih vodio "The Listu" niti bih cigancio sa pravilima.
6. Da, dokle god se isti ponasaju normalno.

Mislim da nikakvoj raspravi nema mesta zapravo - na kraju ce 99% ici rezerve rezervi.
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Telion wrote: 1. Da li mislite da dovoljno detaljno poznajete pravila, i da li se redovno "update-ujete" (ukljucujuci sve poslednje FAQ & Erate)?
2. Da li ste sigurni da cete imati ta tri dana u avgustu slobodno (ne racunam iznenadne situacije koje mogu dovesti do neigranja)?
3. Da li ste u mogucnosti da izdvojite 100+ evra za ta tri dana (prevoz, ulaz, smestaj, hrana i pice se nece sami platiti)?
4. Da li zelite da igrate za "Team Serbia"(reprezentaciju) ili mozete da igrate i u UN/Pirates timu, ili kao dopuna za reprezentacije kojima bude failo igrac?
5. Ukoliko zelite da igrate za Srbiju, da li zelite da igrate ozbiljno, "ciljajuci" na sto bolji plasman na ETC-u (ako je vas vecinski odgovor DA spremite se za neke od mozda od najneprijatnijih partija u vasem zivotu)?
6. Da li mozete da zaboravite na sve eventualne nesuglasice sa ljudima iz zajednice tokom ETC-a (ukoliko bude ovakvih slucajeva, a mislim da ce ih biti)?
1. Da, ali treba jos prouciti, i trudim se da redovno pratim FAQove koji izlaze. Naravno, uvek treba iscitavati i obnavljati, cesto mi se desi da zaboravim neke "finese" u pravilima (citaj : ono sitno stampano izmedju dva velika pasusa, sto cesto zanemarimo).
2. Ne garantujem.
3. Da, ako dodje do toga da ucestvujem (kao sto rekoh, ne garantujem). Nije mi do toga trenutno, ali mozda se nesto promeni u medjuvremenu.
4. Igrao bih za Team Serbia, a sumnjam da bih dosao u situaciju da igram za Random Nation tim. :D
5. Ako to znaci da cu morati da igram protiv napornih polu i 3/4 ljudi kojima je najbitnija stvar u zivotu da dominiraju u igri sa malim cikama, onda ne. Igram na pobedu, sigurno, ali ne po cenu ciganisanja i bunarenja.
6. Apsolutno.
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Nekako smatram da ljudi nece ciganisati/bunariti a da ce i dalje ozbiljno igrati, ali posto naglasavate, evo podpitanje: KAKO ste shvatili termin "ozbiljno igranje"?

Posto sam ga ja shvatio ovako kako i pera i beta pisu: igram najbolje, najozbiljnije, ali bez bunarenja i cepidlacenja. Sta vise, mislim da vecina ljudi, cak i na ETC-u, nece toliko cepidlaciti. Zaista, bice napornih partija, ali nece SVAKA biti, i mislim da je jako ... u odsustvu drugih reci, recicu "lose", mislim da je jako lose misliti da je cepidlacene ne samo norma vec i ocekivano ponasanje.
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Pratim i mislim se dali da komentarišem ali ajde....


Partije na ETC-u su sasvim OK. Ima boljih i gorih, kao i na svakom drugom turniru ali sve su OK.
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ja nisam odgovorio zato sto mislim da nema potrebe da svake 2 nedelje odgovaramo sami sebi na ista pitanja. Ono sto sam rekao na pocetku mislim i dalje. Ali, evo jos jednom

1. Ne. Medjutim, kao sto sam rekao na pocetku, ukoliko se budem plasirao naucicu sva pravila i codexe napamet, kao i sve faq-ove
2. Da. Imam potpunu kontrolu nad svojim zivotom.
3. Da. Imam potpunu kontrolu nad svojim zivotom.
4. Zelim da igram za "Team Srbija", ne zelim da igram u drugim slucajevima.
5. Zelim da ogram "ozbiljno", jasno je da ce biti neprijatnih ljudi. Igrao sam i ja sa Djozom Groznim, pobedio ga, a partija uopste nije bila nesto naporna. Naravno, bilo je zvanja sudija nekoliko puta sa obe strane, ali nije bilo neprijatno.
6. Licno, mislim da nemam nesuglasica sa ljudima iz nase gaming zajednice. Ako ih bude, uvek stavljam tim ispred pojedinca.
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OK, nakon pojasnjenja nekih stvari:

1. Ne. Bice na vreme.
2. Da.
3. Da.
4. Da. Ne za druge timove.
5. Po ovom pojasnjenju da. Ako to znaci da moram da bunarim, da za svako pravilo imam raspravku, za svaku sitnicu raspravku, da moram da imam tacno tu i tu matematicki najbolju listu, to sve svakako ne zelim i necu. Takve partije cu radije predati da sacuvam zivce. To ne znaci da je problem da igram protiv teskih protivnika sa teskim listama, jer su to 2 razlicite stvari.
6. Da.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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1. Ne, ali ako udjem u reprezentaciju naucicu sve ko da ucim za ispit.
2. Da
3. Da
4. Da
5. Da
6. Da.




Ugl, ja ne znam sta se vi ljudi toliko paranoisete oko tih ,,najneprijatnijih partija u zivotu". Ja mislim da su sve to samo priche one glasne internet manjine od kojih su se neki loshe proveli na ETC-u a drugi culi svasta, pa sada prave od toga neki bauk. Bice turnir ko svaki drugi. Niko tu ne dolazi s namerom da se svadja, a ovih par idiota koji se tu nadju cemo istrpeti ili pustiti sudije da se razracunaju sa njima, i gotovo.

EDIT: Sto se tice dominatorskih listi, jedina ,,dominatorska" koja dolazi na kvalifikacione turnire je ova Vejnova demonska, a cak i ta je daleko od optimizovane, nego jednostavno stariji dexevi jednostavno nisu dizajnirani da se izbore sa tom kolicinom flyera/eternal warrior rana. I eto Luka je probao cronair jednom, a to je vise gimmick nego sto je jaka lista. Od ostalih listi protiv kojih sam igrao na kvalifikacionim turnirima, ama bas ni jednu ne bih definisao kao dominatorsku. Tako da stvarno ne znam cemu tolika prica o takvim listama na kvalifikacionim turnirima.
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1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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E to je ekipa ;) extra!!!
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Postoji sansa da se limitra broj flyera po vojiskama u sustini na jednog Chaos zmaja i svi ostali po dva, i da ne smes imati vise od 3 ukupno flyera/FMC u vojisci. Jos to nije zvanicno i dosta se raspravlja, pogotovu posle FAQ-a za CSM gde je zmaju baleflamer turret i jednostavno nema poente igrati protiv takve vojiske koja ima tri komada plus 2 fly DP, sem sa drugom heavy flyer listom tipa Necroni, IG, BA ( ne znam koja je lista ali nesto sa brdo stormravena ).
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Re: Rasprava o WH40K ETC u nacelu

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S obzirom na ovu novu knjigu i dodatak SR C:SM , sta mislite koliko to menja igru : recimo 3 SR i 3 ST je jako lepa air lista jos ako se doda ally SR sa nekim zlim sadrzajem to moze da bude nezgodno a prilicno lako obaraju i zmaja i necronske flyere (nisam racunao u poenima ali sam video da je ova 3 SR i 3 ST oko 1000 poena sto znaci ima tu poena za jos svasta nesto)? ;)
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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