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Beta ovaj tvoj nacin ima manu a to je , da ljudi treba da se i iscimaju da dolaze na turnire itako vezbaju i upoznaju i vidjaju razne liste, a ne da dodju jedanput (dvaput) i vise nikad.Znaci treba da pokazu zaintresovanost i odredjenu odgovornost ,bas kao sto i ja to radim!

Bodovanje ce biti kao sto je napisao Nemanja , a veliki turnir moze samo da da duplu poentazu i to je to (manje je glupo, a vise potencira da se ljudi ne pojavljuju a poenta ovoga svega jeste da se ozivi malo igracka scena)!
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Ako je poenta da ljudi dolaze na turnire, mozda onda dodati jos neke poene za samo pojavljivanje? Npr. 0.5 ili 1 poen ili vec nesto trece.
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The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

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Hajde da o tome razgovaramo konstruktivnije. Nije da je ono sto sam ja rekao upisano u kamenu, to je bila prvobitna ideja.
I Betin predlog je validan samo ja nebih favorizovao 1. mesto na mini turnirima.
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Slazem se, samo je mana to sto, po Betinom, dodje neko i prijavi se na 2 Mini turnira koje iz nekog razloga propuste neki bolji igraci, uzme prvo ili drugo mesto i zavrsio je sa svojim kvalifikacijama. Meni licno je to glupo.

Obzirom na broj zvanicno prijavljenih za kvalifikacije uveo bih i 14 i 12 poena (pored "postojecih" 10-8-6-4-3-2-1), u zavisnosti da li ce se broj igraca povecavati. Tako ce se poeni rasporedjivati na 9-8 igraca, i to nece uvek biti isti jer cemo imati oko 10, a mozda i vise kvalifikacionih turnira. Na taj nacin ce ljudi morati da dolaze malo cesce na te Mini turnire, naravno, nemaju obavezu da se pojave na SVIM, i posle 10-12 kvalifikacionih smatram da ce se stvoriti jedna lepa slika o tome ko ce igrati, a ko nece igrati na ETC-u.
Plus je tu i Veliki turnir koji ce, slozili smo se, nostiti vise poena od Mini turnira.

A sto se tice eventualnih odlazaka u inostranstvo, tu bih stavio da koeficijent za poene bude 1.5.
Ono sto zelim da kazem je- ako je to neki turnir u rangu naseg Mini turnira 10-20(22) ucesnika, poeni koji se osvajaju su 15-12-9-6-5(4.5)-3-2.

Toliko od mene, mislim da je ovo jedan fer nacin bodovanja.
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Čistio informativno, zbog silne matematike i koeficijenta, (ako vam nije poznato) Agramova letnja arena može da ima max 26 učesnika, koliko je bilo prošle godine, a ovogodišnja je imala manje, 22 ako se ne varam...
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RatGod wrote:Beta ovaj tvoj nacin ima manu a to je , da ljudi treba da se i iscimaju da dolaze na turnire itako vezbaju i upoznaju i vidjaju razne liste, a ne da dodju jedanput (dvaput) i vise nikad.Znaci treba da pokazu zaintresovanost i odredjenu odgovornost ,bas kao sto i ja to radim!
Luka, ljudi koje treba cimati da dolaze na turnire su "srednji stalez". Stoga je ovaj nacin bodovanja idealan - za sve osim prvog mesta ima da se pomucis. A ako vam je mnogo dajte za prvo mesto 3/4 tog broja bodova, znaci za 24 ucesnika 18/24. Manje od toga nema poentu.
I ko je tacno odlucio da ce biti bilo koji nacin bodovanja?
Sto se tice odgovornosti bolje nemoj o tome - nije tema o tome.
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Telion wrote: Plus je tu i Veliki turnir koji ce, slozili smo se, nostiti vise poena od Mini turnira.
Da ali koliko? Ako nije u skladu sa brojem ucesnika gubi poentu - kako se tacno razlikuje "veliki" turnir od 24 igraca od "malog" od 20? Duplo? 1.5? 1.25?
A sto se tice eventualnih odlazaka u inostranstvo, tu bih stavio da koeficijent za poene bude 1.5.
Ne mislim da toliko vredi - nije stil igranja u Hrvatskoj/Madjarskoj/Sloveniji bas toliko razlicit. 1.5 bi realno bio kojeficijent za GT (ako bi iko otsao).

Druga varijanta - ostaju tvoji poeni postoji mnozilac za svaki turni. Uzmimo da je prosecan turnir 24 igraca, manji imaju penal, veci bonus:
broj igraca/24 * bodovi za mesto. - tako da 1. mesto na turniru od 12 igraca dobija 1/2 bodova turnira od 24 igraca, a turnir od 36 igraca daje 1.5x bodova.

PS. U tvojoj varijanti se boduju samo oni koji su se prijavili, u mojoj varijanti bodove dobijaju i oni koji se nisu prijavili - jer je realno da moze da dodje do izmena - sta ako neki prijavljeni otkazu (iz bilo realnih bilo nerealnih razloga) a drugi ljudi dobiju zelju/mogucnost da ucestvuju?

Treca varijana bodovanja, bodovi se racunaju obrnuto mestu u plasmanu - 24 igraca
1 - 24
2 - 23
3 - 22
4 - 21
5 - 20
6 - 19
7 - 18
8 - 17
...
22 - 3
23 - 2
24 - 1

12 igraca:
1 - 12
2 - 11
...
12 - 1
Ovo podstice krvavu borbu za svaki bod i redovno ucesce. Opet, bodovao bih svakog ko igra, zbog mogucih izmena. Sto je glavna poenta moje ideje.
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deka wrote:Čistio informativno, zbog silne matematike i koeficijenta, (ako vam nije poznato) Agramova letnja arena može da ima max 26 učesnika, koliko je bilo prošle godine, a ovogodišnja je imala manje, 22 ako se ne varam...
Nista od ovoga nece racunati ucesnici. Bice im receno koliko bodova imaju i koliko mogu osvojiti za koje mesto na nekom turniru.
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To sto ti nekog omalovazavas mislim da nije uredu nikako ,kao prvo!

Kao drugo 'srednji stalez' ne znam na sta i nakoga si mislio slobodno reci?!

Ja sam odlucio koji je sistem bodovanja sto se tebe tice (ako ti nije iz svih postova pre jasno da se radi u konsultaciji sa ljudima i cak su navedeni i poimence onda ne znam sta da ti kazem).

Ovo za odgovornost isto mi objasni, ne razumem? Ti si u ovom hobiju onoliko koliko jesi ,i tvoj doprinos se zna, isto tako ponudjeno je ne samo tebi nego i ostalima koji hoce da se bakcu da slobodno mogu (cak cu vam dati moje kontakte koje sam napravio, za vase sto se toga tice ne znam).
Turniri van ne treba da se boduju vise nego nasi zbog toga sto su isti kao mi, nego zato sto je neko pokazao volju i zelju odvojio vreme i novac da ode negde takmici se van ove zajednice koja je takva kakva jeste i mozda napravi kontakt sa strancima i dovede ih ovde na bilo koji turnir(koji samim tim dobijaju na tezini) ! ! !

I najbitnije zasto molim te objasni i meni i ostalima (koji su se prijavili a veruj mi NIKOM nije jasno) zasto ti flamujes ovde i u klubu (ja nisam bio ali me zovu ljudi i uslovno receno 'zale'), zasto nameces svoje misljenje na los nacin i mesas u nesto sto si rekao da te ne zanima?

Znaci nikakav problem nije da dodjes i kazes e ja bi da se takmicim ili e ja bi da vam pomognem, ali ton ti je jako los kao i namera sa omalovazavanjem bilo koga.Ja ovde pokusavam da ispravim ovu nasu zajednicu u smislu da organizujemo nesto vise, da se ljudski odnosi u normale posto su BOLESNI, i da jednostavno pokazemo da smo bolji od drugih i dokazemo to na nacin organizovanja kvalifikacija koje daju svima istu sansu!

P.S. Jel ti znas nesto bolje od mene ko ide na ETC i ko ce to kome sta reci?(nisam bio na sastanku i nisam upucen da je neko preuzeo na sebe organizaciju,samo ono sto sam napisao).
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Luka, molim te iskuliraj, jer ovo nije tema o tome. A ako ti smetaju moji postovi i mislis da nekoga omalovazavam (svasta), zali se administratorima zvanicno.
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Objasnjnje za "srednji stalez" sa se josh neko ne nadje uvredjen - svi oni koji su se do sada solidno plasirali, ali nemaju solidan plasman makar na nekom zaista velikim turnirima. Tj. svi iz prve trecine rang liste dosadasnjih turnira, osim Bojana i Ote. I da to ukljucuje i mene.
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Samo da potvrdim da mi niko nije hakovao akount ;)

Beta, Bojan i Ota jednostavno igraju tako kako igraju i ok je to. Ja Bojanu kao i bilo ko drugi nece reci da mora da igra kvalifikacije samo zbog toga sto se zna kakav je igrac i da zbog njega ipak postoji sada zmaj, ali isto tako sam rekao i njemu da bi bilo lepo da ako je zaista ozbiljan da ucestvuje da treba da ispostuje sve nas kakvi god da smo igraci i da se pojavi na par turnira i dokaze dominaciju cisto da ne bi bilo zle krvi i losih misljenja (mislim da to nije previse).

Sto se tice Ote ja koliko znam njega znam da ne bi nista preko veze,ispod ruke itd , nego da se takmici pa kako bude i smatram da bi za sve trebalo da vazi isto jer ako smo komentarisali nesto protiv nekog a onda radimo isto mislim da je to jako lose i iskazuje se stav protiv pojedinaca a ne za dobrobit reprezentacije ili hobija.
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A o je rekao da neko od njih nece igrati pripreme i kvalifikacije?
Poenta je samo da pomoc u usavrsavanju mnogo vise treba nekim drugim ljudima.
Predstavi to ovako, ima dvoje ljudi na 80% i 6+ na 50%. Da li ces prvenstveno trositi vreme da to dvoje dovedes na 90% ili ostalih 6 na 75%?
Ja mislim da postoji par igraca koji imaju ozbiljan potencijal* i da treba pre svega raditi na njima.

*Pera, Nemanja, Ridji, Dorijan, Nikola, Nenad, ti.
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Nemanja u poslednje vreme samo fail-uje, pa bih ja njega zaobisao...
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A zasto su Giga, Dorian, Boca i Megabaja manje "potencijalni" (njih sam posebno naveo jer su oni prijavljeni na zvanicnoj temi)? Svako od njih je, barem u nekom trenutku, pravio visoke rezultate na turnirima. Ne vidim razlog zasto bi se neki igraci potcenjivali ili neki drugi precenjivali. Postoje kvalifikacije, svi mogu da dodju i pokazu sta znaju. I svi ce biti bodovani po istom sistemu (to je zapravo jedino sto je bitno).

Ne bi bilo lose da se energija koja se ulaze u formusku raspravku pretoci u energiju koja se ulaze u treninge npr. Ili nesto drugo sto je korisnije.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Treba da se organizuje, bar jednom u 2-3 nedelje, trening dan u klubu, gde bi smo mogli da isprobavamo sto opasnije liste nevezano sa modelima koje imamo (dakle teski counts-as, da bi ljudi dobili sto bolji osecaj kako sta radi bez da trose pare i vreme na nesto sto potencijalno nece valjati u ETC-u) i gde bi bolji igraci mogli da noobovima pomognu oko advanced taktika (kao napr ono sto je Beta pricao da pokaze ljudima kako da postroje pesadiju da ih ne pojedu velike pite i sl.). Nedelja mi recimo deluje kao odlican dan za to. Ja licno mogu da dodjem i radnim danima posle 5 popodne, dok god se dogovorimo koji dan ranije.
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Sve to treba da se radi, ali tek kada se zavrse kvalifikacije. Ljudi, uporno se zaboravlja da ce u opticaj za ETC uci sve armije koje izadju do 1. JULA (ako se dobro secam od juce, Dule ce me ispraviti).
A sta ce izaci, ko zna. DA sigurno u januaru, a posle mozda Tau Empire, Eldar, Space Marines... Tako da, ja bih sacekao sa isprobavanjem i vezbanjem nekih uber kombinacija i slicnih stvari, bar dok se ne zavrse kvalifikacije, i sagleda sta je jos izaslo za sve to vreme.
Posle kvalifikacija ostace jos 2 meseca cisto, da se trenira, na svakih 2-3 dana po neka bitka, i tada bi se radilo sve to sto vi sada pricate, tzv. "advanced taktika", mada mislim da je rasporedjivanje cika na 2 incha da ih sto manje poklopi pita jedna od onih "basic taktika". Tada ce te taktike i sve ostalo moci da vezbaju i oni koji ne idu na ETC, ali kao protivnici za vezbu ovih koji budu isli.
Ovo je neko moje misljenje, a sad vi kako god vam odgovara.
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Mnogo bre tupite i teoretišete, a vrlo malo, praktično radite...

Džaba vam najboji uber, mega, kako već, sistem bodovanja, ako niko ne dolazi da se igra... Neće biti šta da se boduje...

Za početak dovucite pozadine do kluba bez obzira da li se igra ili ne igra turnir koji je/nije kvalifikacioni...

Recimo subotom, uglavnom, uvek ima nekoga ko bi se igrao, (recimo Dete Nemanja, mali haotik, Kapetan Jarak, moja malenkost...), i onda pometite neke čikice po stolu, i bacite neke kockice...

Recimo ja već više od mesec dana čekam Luku & Co da odigramo ligaške partije...
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;) Ne da nam se nikako deko jbg, sad je turnir tako da tek sledece subote jer ti ne mozes drukcije ja mogu :P
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Dzon Vejn wrote:A zasto su Giga, Dorian, Boca i Megabaja manje "potencijalni" (njih sam posebno naveo jer su oni prijavljeni na zvanicnoj temi)? Svako od njih je, barem u nekom trenutku, pravio visoke rezultate na turnirima.
Jednostavno, nabrojao sam prvih 7 igraca koji su mi prvi pali na pamet. A lepo sam pre toga rekao - prva trecina plasmana dosadasnjeg turnira. Sto ukljucuje i ove igrace.
Ne vidim razlog zasto bi se neki igraci potcenjivali ili neki drugi precenjivali. Postoje kvalifikacije, svi mogu da dodju i pokazu sta znaju. I svi ce biti bodovani po istom sistemu (to je zapravo jedino sto je bitno).
Uh, opet KO JE REKAO DA NEKO OSIM BOJANA NECE IGRATI KVALIFIKACIJE?

Sve sto je moja ideja je da te kvalifikacije igraju i da bodove dobijaju i oni koji ne zele ici na ETC, i to iz vise razloga:
- mozda dodje do znacajnih promena ko moze/ne moze/zeli/ne zeli ici na ETC.
- Oni koji idu na ETC ce imati realniju predstavu koliko su "dobri", makar u odnosu na ostatak ove male zajednice
- Mozda to podstakne ljude da igraju cesce (u vezi ovoga imam neke ideje koje cu izneti Duletu, za sada neka budu tajne)
itd.
Ne bi bilo lose da se energija koja se ulaze u formusku raspravku pretoci u energiju koja se ulaze u treninge npr. Ili nesto drugo sto je korisnije.
JA sam rekao - kada budu treninzi svi su dobrodosli da igraju sa mnom.
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bojan wrote: Uh, opet KO JE REKAO DA NEKO OSIM BOJANA NECE IGRATI KVALIFIKACIJE?
Ako opet procitas moju poruku, videces da ja to nisam nigde napisao. Moje pitanje je bilo cemu da se pojedini igraci podcenjuju / precenjuju. Ali ako je jedini razlog to sto si naveo prvih random 7 ljudi koji su ti pali na pamet - onda ok.
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The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

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vi imate mnogo slobodnog vremena.
Pamti, pa vrati...

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Joj ko kaze, lepo si mi dao broj ! Umesto sto saras po youtube-u posalji mi na pm ;)
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Tekst sa gomilom listi sa nekog Australijskog national masters turnira, znaci bas kompetitivan turnir sa najboljim igracima koji su prosli silne kvalifikacije i sl. Valja baciti pogled.
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There will be more Screamers than at a Beatles Concert.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mislim da je ova lista nesto stvarno strasno :

Aeon Necrons – Chaos Space Marines

1 Overlord, 115 pts = (base cost 90 + Warscythe 10 + Mindshackle Scarabs 15) gauss cannons
1 Catacomb Command Barge, 80 pts

1 Overlord, 115 pts = (base cost 90 + Warscythe 10 + Mindshackle Scarabs 15) gauss cannons
1 Catacomb Command Barge, 80 pts

1 Sorcerer (HQ) [Chaos], 75 pts = (base cost 60 + Mark of Nurgle 15) force axe

10 Chaos Cultists (Troops) pistols and CCW [Chaos]

5 Warriors, 65 pts = 5 * 13 1 Night Scythe tesla destructor, 100 pts
5 Warriors, 65 pts = 5 * 13 1 Night Scythe tesla destructor, 100 pts
5 Warriors, 65 pts = 5 * 13 1 Night Scythe tesla destructor, 100 pts
5 Warriors, 65 pts = 5 * 13 1 Night Scythe tesla destructor, 100 pts
5 Warriors, 65 pts = 5 * 13 1 Night Scythe tesla destructor, 100 pts

1 Heldrake (Fast) baleflamer [Chaos], 170 pts

1 Annihilation Barge tesla, 90 pts
1 Annihilation Barge tesla, 90 pts
1 Annihilation Barge tesla, 90 pts

1 Aegis Defence Lines, 70 pts = (base cost 50 + Comms Relay 20)
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Pero jel mozes da mi objasnis kako radi ova lista posto meni uopste ne deluje kao nesto specijalno (verovatno sam propustio nesto, osim ako nije sarkazam)?

Jel mi se cini da je problem sto deo ima na tabli a deo nema (i taj koji nema je veliki deo)?
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Rezerve ulaze na 2+, zbog ADL.

Letaci koji prangijaju 4 hica snage 7 (+2 dodatna hica za svaku sesticu), warirori su tu da pucaju u nekog/nesto, i da drze objective
3 barze isto tako pucaju kao letaci, snagom 7, a pritom su skimmeri armora 13 i 5+ cover save od jink.
Helldrake sa svojim flamerom ugasi jedan squad MEQa po potezu, i pritom je letac.

2 lorda sa barzama ucharguju nesto, i to nesto namuce, isto skimmeri sa AV 13 i 5+ cover save.
Sorceror sa MoN baca neki hex radi reda, cultisti smrde...i to je to. Fora je sto velika vecina lista nema dovoljno resursa da izadje na kraju sa, u ovom slucaju, 6 letaca, koji pritom resetaju sve u 16.
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Ja sam spremio isto neku gadost za sledeci put, samo sam spreman i za te avionske liste (imam 4 letaca, od kojih 3 mogu da prelecu druge stvari (2 demona, helldrake i vendetta), i imam jos 4 AA stvari - hydra, 2 puta flakk havocs, quad gun aegis).

Izgleda da cu, neocekivano, biti slobodan u subotu. Ako bude tako (a javicu jos veceras), pojavicu se u subotu da testiram listu protiv prisutnih. U tom slucaju bih dosao u 12 i igrao dok god ima zainteresovanih da "stanu na crtu" :D.

edit: zaboravih da dodam - vecina ljudi zanemaruje letace. A to uopste nije za zanemarivanje. Kod nas nisam video listu koja moze ozbiljno da stane na crtu avijacijskoj listi sa idejom.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Problem je sto vecina codexa nema nikakve opcije namenjene ubijanju letacha. Za sada samo aegis defense line je dostupan svima, a ostali moraju ili sa gardom ili sa CSM da budu saveznici... Ili da i sami imaju vode flyera u listi.

Koliko vidim po stranim turnirima i blogovima, imati jedno 30 gardista + vendettu (ili dve) + neki heavy support za saveznike je prakticno must-have za kompetitivne liste, pogotovo kada su stariji codexi u pitanju, a trenutno kod nas jako mali broj ljudi ima neophodne modele. Nadajmo se da ce se to postepeno menjati. :]
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Evo kako ide drawing na ETC tj prosle godine:

4.2 Team players pairing system :
Captains will have 10 minutes before each match to decide who will play with which opponnent. They can consult with and use the help of the rest the of the team freely.

Players during match will be matched by Captains in that way :
"Secret challenge" - At the start of the pairing captains chose secretly one player - a champion. Champion can be different from round to round. Both names of champions are written down at the start of the pairing on a separate piece of paper and revealed and the end of it. Champions play on the last available table.

After that:
1. Both captains roll a dice.
2. Captain A who rolled lowest puts forward player A.
3. Captain B puts a player to fight player A.
4. Captain A choses a table for that game.
5. Captain B who rolled highest puts forward player B.
6. Captain A puts a player to fight player B.
7. Captain B choses a table for that game.
8. Captain A .....


, zamolio bi nekog (tipa Bocu ili Duleta) da otvore temu sa pitanjima za ETC da bi mogao da postujem tamo, takodje posto nemam vremena da se bakcem sa time previse molim vas da pitanja tamo postavite na engleskom kako bi ja mogao samo copy/paste, ako ne stigne odgovor od strane nekog od nas !
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RatGod wrote:zamolio bi nekog (tipa Bocu ili Duleta) da otvore temu sa pitanjima za ETC da bi mogao da postujem tamo, takodje posto nemam vremena da se bakcem sa time previse molim vas da pitanja tamo postavite na engleskom kako bi ja mogao samo copy/paste, ako ne stigne odgovor od strane nekog od nas !
Ovo je nepotrebno, samo nek postave pitanja na regularnu FAQ temu i sta god da ne nadjemo ce biti prosledjeno ETC-u.
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Ono sto je potvrdjeno za sada (jutros vezano za ETC) :

Armies no more than 1850 pts.
Fortifications allowed (with restrictions)
Mysterious objectives in some missions.
Unlimited flyers.
Warlord traits used as in RB.
Allies allowed with an army allowed only once as primary and once as secondary detachment per team without point limits.
Special characters without limits.

Takodje fortification, dozvoljene sem najvece.

Sto se misija tice razmatraju se dva predloga, Poljski i Grcki oba cu dostaviti Duletu pa da on pogledai planira ih za neki od turnira( oba pack-a po 6 misija).
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Unlimited flyers..oh, here they come.. :roll: :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y

Hm, ovo sa Allies je ok, jedna vojska moze 2 puta da se ponovi, mislim da smo tako nesto i pricali da bi bilo najkorektnije..ne mozemo svi imati Eldrada, ali moze (primer)- Eldar/Tau i SM/Eldar..
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kazem, imajte na umu dok dodje ETC flajeri ima da padaju ko muve (evo samo tau, markerlightovi ce moci da se koriste da daju jedinici skyfire). Ne kazem da nisu obavezni, nego da liste od samih flajera nece mozda biti bas najbolje.

odlicno za pojasnjenje oko allies. vec vidim da su obavezne 2 liste grey knightova, imperijalna garda vrlo verovatno jedan od favorita za dupliranje, a nemojmo podceniti ni mat warda u pravljenju dark angel liste :)
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Mozda nije pravo mesto za ove linkove, ali ne bi bilo lose procitati oba, iako su BA uzeti kao primer.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/inde ... pic=262061

pa posle ovog

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/inde ... pic=262266
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d00m1n80r wrote:Mozda nije pravo mesto za ove linkove, ali ne bi bilo lose procitati oba, iako su BA uzeti kao primer.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/inde ... pic=262061

pa posle ovog

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/inde ... pic=262266
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Evo jedan od predloga za scenarije http://www.novaopen.com/wp-content/uplo ... r-2013.pdf


Takodje raspravlja se i o samim tablama tj. kako da se urede i evo jednog konkretnog predlog, koji za sada je samo predlog i nije dobio neki previse pozitivan odziv (tj. ceka se da se vidi kako ce to raditi uzivo pa ce se onda dalje pricati o tome) :

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to put out here the AdeptiCon terrain placement method we will be using this year. Once you read through the method below, please see the pros and cons listed. I believe this can help streamline a lot of the concerns about things like fortifications. Note, this is very generic and we are finalizing our AdeptiCon rules over the next week or two. So I should have more detailed specifics in a little bit.

Terrain Placement

I'm assuming tables will start with a typical distribution of boards per the normal ETC style (for example 1-2 Heavy Terrain, 1-2 light Terrain and 4+ medium terrain. 25% coverage.

1. No terrain is fixed when players arrive at a table.

2. Players roll for sides. However, this is not truly necessary since terrain is not fixed (unless you have a smelly gamer near by).

3. Fortifications - place as per rule book summary on page 424.

4. Terrain - players roll D6. Highest places a piece of terrain first. The terrain placement must adhere to the following:
a. Terrain piece must be 51% on the placing players table half, which changes per deployment map.
b. Terrain piece must be 3" from an already placed fortification, piece of terrain, or board edge.
c. After terrain piece is placed, alternate placement until all terrain pieces are used.
d. If a terrain piece can not be placed, it is removed from the game.

5. Follow remaining preparation steps for a battle.

Pros

1. Removes organizers from having to worry about exact placement of terrain at the start of the event. Organizers can place terrain in one of the corners until 25% table coverage is achieved.

2. Players would not have to negotiate terrain placement when they first come to a table. Especially in later rounds when terrain is moved due to display boards or army cases, etc.

3. Accounts for the placement of larger fortifications like the sky shield landing platform without having to move terrain to accommodate it.

4. Organizers do not have to be involved in placing terrain during a player disagreement about where the terrain "was located" previously.

5. Fortifications do not get hosed by limiting terrain placement on the opponents table half.

6. Eliminates the decision for switching sides and the logistics of doing this.

7. Adds a lot of variety to the tables. I will work to get pictures for everyone.

Cons

1. It may take a little bit of extra time with players placing terrain.

Overall, the only change compared to the rule book is the limitation of where to place terrain. 51% of it has to be on your side of the table and the 3" separation rule. Defensive players can still select the boards they want and have some control on terrain. We don't have to worry about limiting what fortifications are taken. And finally it really simplifies things for organizers and players.

I will have the detailed instructions AdeptiCon is using over the next week. So more to come. Thoughts?

Thanks,

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Takodje postoje indikacije da ce se ubaciti dodatni VP za nesto sto se zove Nemesis, to je zapravno da unit koji uzme First blood, postaje Nemesis tj. ako ga ubijes dobijes jedan VP (i samim tim negira taj FB, tj. povecava sansu da zapravno moras dobro da razmislis sa cime ces da uzmes FB i onda da cuvas taj unit, a ne samo drop podujes ubijes nesto i to je to) meni ovo zvuci dobro pa bi mogli da probamo na nekom turniru?
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RatGod wrote:Takodje postoje indikacije da ce se ubaciti dodatni VP za nesto sto se zove Nemesis, to je zapravno da unit koji uzme First blood, postaje Nemesis tj. ako ga ubijes dobijes jedan VP (i samim tim negira taj FB, tj. povecava sansu da zapravno moras dobro da razmislis sa cime ces da uzmes FB i onda da cuvas taj unit, a ne samo drop podujes ubijes nesto i to je to) meni ovo zvuci dobro pa bi mogli da probamo na nekom turniru?
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