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Ovde mozete postovati vase uber kombinacije, ili ono sto vi mislite da su uber kombinacije. :wink:
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
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Ovo je trenutno neka moja dream lista. :D
1850

HQ:
Master of the Forge - 120 pts
- conversion beamer (20 pts)

Company Command Squad (10 men) - 125 pts
- grenade launcher x4 (20 pts)
- chimaera (55 pts)
- heavy flamer + multilaser (free)

TROOPS:
Tactical Squad RED (10 men) - 220 pts
- flamer (free)
- combiflamer (10 pts)
- plasma cannon (5 pts)
- rhino (35 pts)

Tactical Squad RED (10 men) - 215 pts
- flamer (free)
- combiflamer (10 pts)
- missile launcher (free)
- rhino (35 pts)

Veteran Squad (10 men) - 155 pts
- meltagun x3 (30 pts)
- chimaera (55 pts)
- heavy flamer + multilaser (free)

Veteran Squad (10 men) - 155 pts
- meltagun x3 (30 pts)
- chimaera (55 pts)
- heavy flamer + multilaser (free)

ELITES:
Dreadnought - 125 pts
- twinlinked autocannon x2 (20 pts)

Dreadnought - 125 pts
- twinlinked autocannon x2 (20 pts)

FAST ATTACK:
Vendetta - 130 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Vindicator - 115 pts

Vindicator - 115 pts

Leman Russ - 150 pts

FORTIFICATION:
Aegis Defense Line - 100 pts
- quad gun (50 pts)
Prva 3 poteza melte, autocannoni i grenade launcheri otvaraju transporte, na ciju sadrzinu posle toga bacam male i velike pite snage 8-10 AP1-3. Himere i rhinoi prave AV11/12 zid i daju tenkovima, combat squadovima i drekama cover + himere imaju multilasere da dodaju anti-transport i anti-infantry. Ako neka pesadija pridje oljustim je sa meltama, flamerima i heavy flamerima. Od treceg poteza pa nadalje vendetta, veterani i combat squadovi se ustreme na objektive. Vendetta moze da vozi jedan veteran squad po potrebi. Bolster ruins i aegis defense line znaci da ce pola vojske imati cover na 4+ ili 3+.

Kritika je vrlo dobrodosla. :]
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Mislim da imas mnogo kill poena, jako slab HQ sto znaci da ce davati i slay warlord, nemas ni jedan CC unit ili bar neki tarpit za neke zle karaktere. To su po meni mane e sad da li to mozes da nadomestis sa pucanjem ja mislim da ne jer dva vindija umiru u krugu od drop poda i hw-na ,a nemas trupe kojima bi ih okruzio da imaju uvek cover ili da blokiras blizu dolazenje iz rezerve.

Evo neke liste koje sam ja nasao kao da su zajebane:

1850 Points. Primary Detachment – Grey Knights. Allied Detachment – Necrons.

Headquarters:

HQ: Coteaz – 100
HQ(Crons): Overlord, Warscythe, Barge – 180
Court: Crypteks x2, Voltaic Staves x2 – 50

Troops:

Troops1: Strike Squad x10, Psybolts, 2x Psycannons – 240
Troops2: Strike Squad x10, Psybolts, 2x Psycannons – 240
Troops3: Warrior Henchmen x7 (28), 4x Storm Bolters (12), 3x Plasmagun (30) – 70
Troops4: Warrior Henchmen x7, 4x Storm Bolters, 3x Plasmagun – 70
Troops(crons): Warriors x5, Night Scythe – 165
Troops(crons): Warriors x5, Night Scythe – 165

Heavy Support:

H.Support1: Dreadknight, heavy incinerator – 160
H.Support2: Dreadknight, heavy incinerator – 160
H.Support3: Dreadknight, heavy incinerator – 160
H.Support(crons): Annihilation barge – 90

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HQ: Lord(65), MoN(15), Burning Brand (30), Blight Grenades (5), Power Weapon(Sword) (15) – 130
HQ(Crons): Lord, Scythe, Mindshackle, Barge – 195
Court: Volt-teks x2 – 50

Troops:

Troops1: Plague Marines x7, 2x Plasma, Rhino, Havoc – 245
Troops2: Plague Marines x7, 2x Plasma, Rhino, Havoc – 245
Troops3: Cultists x30, 3x flamers – 145
Troops(Crons): Warriors x5, Night Scythe – 165
Troops(Crons): Warriors x5, Night Scythe – 165

Fast Attack:

F.Attack1: Heldrake, baleflamer – 170
F.Attack2: Heldrake, baleflamer – 170
F.Attack3: Heldrake, baleflamer – 170
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Company Command Squad (10 men) - 125 pts
- grenade launcher x4 (20 pts)
- chimaera (55 pts)
- heavy flamer + multilaser (free)
Koliko se ja sećam gardijskog kodex-a, tvoja lista je nelegalna, pošto Company Command Squad se satoji od:
- Company Commander
- 4 Veterans
I nema opciju dodavanja dodatnih veterana!
Tako da isti ne može da bude 10 man...
Dalje veterani koji čine (4 veterana) Company Command Squad ne mogu da dupliraju wargear...

I na kraju, me zanima kako misliš da sa grenade launcher-om (R24", S6, AP4, Assault 1) otaraš vozila? mislim možeš, ali za to treba mnogo 6-ica (mada ko zna, ako se budeš dovoljno družio sas Peru Nekronca... :lol: )...
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deka wrote:Koliko se ja sećam gardijskog kodex-a, tvoja lista je nelegalna, pošto Company Command Squad se satoji od:
- Company Commander
- 4 Veterans
I nema opciju dodavanja dodatnih veterana!
Tako da isti ne može da bude 10 man...
Dalje veterani koji čine (4 veterana) Company Command Squad ne mogu da dupliraju wargear...

I na kraju, me zanima kako misliš da sa grenade launcher-om (R24", S6, AP4, Assault 1) otaraš vozila? mislim možeš, ali za to treba mnogo 6-ica (mada ko zna, ako se budeš dovoljno družio sas Peru Nekronca... :lol: )...
Lol to sam pogresno napisao (10 men), mislio sam da ostaje 5 men i da onoj cetvorici veterana koji idu sa commanderom dam 4x grenade launchera.
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RatGod wrote: HQ: Lord(65), MoN(15), Burning Brand (30), Blight Grenades (5), Power Weapon(Sword) (15) – 130
Ako hoces ovako da vodis Lorda, daj mu Lightning Claw umesto Power Sworda. Kosta isto i radi isto + dobijes Re-roll to Wound.

Inace nemam zamerke za listu osim sto ne znam sta ce da radi protiv vozila.
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Pa zavisi kojih vozila samo je problem armour 14 ali tu je necron lord sa kosom, a ostale moze vector moze pucanje od night scytha, u drugoj listi a u prvoj pa dreadknighti.
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Ma daj mu lightning claw i chain fist/power fist. Em dobije bonus napad posto su oba specialist weapons, em moze da bira po potrebi. :)
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PeraNekron wrote:Ma daj mu lightning claw i chain fist/power fist.
Ne. Generalno, CC Lord koji pesaci je neefektivan. I modeli u Power armor-u ne mogu da uzmu chainfist.

Postoji dva glavna nacina da se igras sa Lordom: ili ga napravis da bude jeftin i shooty, bas kao sto je Luka uradio; ili mu das Bajk i stavis ga u unit Bajkera.
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Ili ga sa bajkom stavis u spawn-ove ;)
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Cudi me da niko ne razmislja da stavi 3 x 5 chaos spawnova sa mark of nurgle.....
540 poena za 15 modela sa 3 rane, toughness 6, i krecu se kao beastovi, a pritom i snaga 5, fearless, +2 napada u charge, i random korisne mutacije u svakoj close combat fazi.
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igor wrote:jako je tesko uzimati puno poena jer se igra po knjizi.
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Ja razmisljam o 2 unita. Treci slot ili na bikes ili na zmaja.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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To je fora zasto niko ne razmislja, ta lista ne treba zmaja nego ide 3*4 spawnova MoN, lord bike MoN (bije puca sta god/sve radi, mozda cak i dva), pesaci 2*7 plag marinaca sa flamerima, ally epid, 2*7 plaque barera, 8 screamera, i Demon princ MoN,breath, fly, trebalo bi mozda i neke havoce ubaciti sa autocannonima(7havocasa 4 autocannona) ili oblit (2*1) naravno sve da je MoN. Ali mana liste je no AA, sto mozda i nije tako bitno jer ima mnogo rana treba probati.

Otprilike tako nesto izgleda ta lista.I fora je sto sve radi nesto i jako tesko se ignorise, a sve rane idu u bonnuse sa epi, i onda kada dobijes poslednji no armour save (posle cini mi se 20+ rana sto nije tesko) sve sto je zivo ima to, znaci flamer je no armour save, autocanoni isto kao i naravno preziveli spawnovi.

A zasto je dovoljan power weapon pa zato sto postane i on na lord no armour save i moze da ima samo jedan weapon ako nosi artifackt koji nosi jer je flamer i daje rane brze a gledas da prvo ubijes nesto low armour ili armour 3+ pa tek onda ostalo ;)
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I FNP na 3+ pre toga, ako se ne varam.

Mada, to moze sad da radi, a ko zna sta ce biti kada izadju novi Chaos Daemons sledece godine(a koliko mi Dule rece, trebali bi pre ETC-a).
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Sta mislite o vanila librarianima?

Do sada sam vodio golog librariana od 100 poena, sa null zone i avenger powerima, i stvarno odlicno radi posao za tu cenu. Pogotovo u 6th-u ima potencijal da preokrene celu bitku, posto su demoni sada takvi kakvi su, a null zone je smrt za njih.

E sada, razmisljam vredi li probavati genericke psychic powere iz rulebooka? Jedino mi telepatija deluje dobro zbog puppet master i primaris powera. Divination na zalost ne moze da se uzme.

Takodje, mislite li da mu vredi dati terminator armor (125 poena, ili 140 poena ako ima i storm shield) sa null zone i vortex of doom powerima? Razmisljam se o dodatnoj investiciji najvise zbog SLAY THE WARLORD pravila + ako ima storm shield i padne vortex of doom leadership test i dalje ima pristojnu sansu da prezivi.
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To je lepo kad imas epidemiusa kao saveznika (kad mozes da uzimas saveznike, i kada imas dostupne demone kao saveznike). I kad protivnik nema fly listu (kojoj ne mozes ama bas nista). I kad nema puno vozila (za koja imas resenja, ali malo). I kada nema puno terminatora (na koje ne radi torrent flamer) ili generalno necega sa 2+ save. I kada protivnik ne moze da ti dohvati Epidemiusa - jer ako njega ubije, cela lista ti ode dovidjenja. Lista je dobra, fakat. Ima svojih propusta, ali to ima svaka lista. Medjutim, kad izadju novi demoni (koliko sam ja upucen pre ETC-a), sta onda? Badava ste krecili... sve sto si uvezbao dotle ne vazi.

Bilo kako bilo, nezavisno od uber CSM liste, mislim da su spawnovi sa nurgle markom u svakom slucaju dobri. Meni se do sada pokazalo da mi fali nesto sto moze brzo (bests) da stigne zivo do protivnika. Da ga zavese dok ostalo radi svoj posao. I non-fearless unite vise ne izvodim. Mislim da slaneesh - nurgle lista ima potencijal. Probacu jos razno nesto u svakom slucaju.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Meni se samo ne svidja sto je Vortex 12 incha range, nekako mi to kratko...
Ja vodim i Terminator i Power armor.

Ako je u Terminator Armoru onda obicno idem- Null Zone/Gate of Infinity(The Avenger)
A ako je u Power Armoru onda- Null Zone/Force Dome(5+inv sebi i unitu)

Sto se tice osnovnih powera, moram priznati da ih nisam isprobavao, ne znam koje bih uzeo, moram jos to malo da pogledam. Dodatni problem predstavlja to sto se baca random...

Puppet Master preuzima 1 model, pa mislim da ti se nesto nece isplatiti protiv puno letaca ili neke horde.
A osnovni, primaris, ti se opet ne isplati ako prethodno ne smanjis odredjenoj jedinici LD sa necim +range je samo 12 incha, opet. Prosek na 3d6 ti je 11, a sa tim ubijes 2 Marinca, ili 3 Gardiste, na osnovni LD..nekako mi je bolje da imam flamer S5 AP3 za to.

Ja sam skoro igrao kombinaciju da Primaris Psykera (IG) teleportuje Librarian sa Termosima u 12 incha, onda Psyker Battle Squad nekom unitu u range-u smanji LD na 2 i ovaj ih onda otkine od zivota. Ali trebaju da ti za to prodju 3 Psy Powera (jedan na LD 10, a dva na LD 9), i da protivnik ne baci nijedan Deny the Witch...ili da nema Eldrada/Farseera koji te tera da bacas 3d6, ili da nije Tyranidska sinapsa koja te tera da bacis 3d6 i biras 2 vece, ili da nije Space Wolf sa Rune Pristima ili Njarlom, pa ti negira na 4+/3+ Psy power i tako dalje...

To je neko moje iskustvo, nadam se da ce ti biti od pomoci. :)
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Telion wrote:Tyranidska sinapsa koja te tera da bacis 3d6 i biras 2 vece
I kod njih bacas 3d6, i sabiras sve, ali samo na 2 keca ili 2 sestice pijes Perils of the Warp.

Ja i dalje mislim da je najbolji librarian onaj najjeftinij sa null-zone i gate of infinity ili nesto trece. Njega ne stavis kao warlorda, vec nekog spec. karaktera ili generickog kapetana.

Puppet Master radi na vozila, a Invisibility je uvek koristan. :)
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Sta znam, moj librarian se za sada vozi sa hammernatorima u land raideru, tako da vortex of doom potencijalno ima 24" range, jer se LR pomeri 6", libby proseta jos 6" i onda na to +12". Posle cega moze i assault. Vortex mi dodatno deluje primamljivo zato sto su sada nurgle CSM dosta popularni, a str10 ap1 im ignorise glavne prednosti.

Puppet master mi se svidja jer koliko razumem moze da kontrolise i vozila i monstrous creaturese. Izkontrolises nesto sto ima veliku pitu ili tipa fateweavera sa njegovih 500 razlicitih shootinga ili chaos lorda sa onim ludim flamerom sto se baca 12" itd. Ali da, dosta je to hit & miss power.

Fala svakako, dao si mi food for thought. :]
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Mislim da ti je dovoljan samo terminator armour Gigo. Kao i da je generickom marincu bolje da ima codex powere. Ja mislim da ni vozila,sem LR jer mu je armour 14 nisu problem u onoj listi kao ni terminatori jer dobije no AS na modelima, a ako ti uhvati epidermisa znaci da da sve ostalo dolazi gde treba posto ipak treba da izdvoji svu vojisku na njega i njegov unit, a to znaci da 12 spawnova, lord,i screameri i DP dolaze po svoje ( a smatram da oni mogu da se snadjeu i bez Epi), no naravno treba probati.

Tako je Pero svi ignorisu taj power,Invisibility (jos ako se baci na neke modele koji ignorisu cover a recimo idu 12') ;)

Cini mi se da sa Puppetom pucas jednom i da ne mozes da menjas face-ing (ne mogu sad da proverim na poslu sam).Ja isto mislim da je flamer,null zone i goi najbolji poweri i to null zone na prvom mestu i ja bez dva libbija gde oba imaju to ne bi izlazio na tablu :D
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Giga wrote:...tako da vortex of doom potencijalno ima 24" range, jer se LR pomeri 6", libby proseta jos 6" i onda na to +12". Posle cega moze i assault...

....Iskontrolises nesto sto ima veliku pitu ili tipa fateweavera sa njegovih 500 razlicitih shootinga ili chaos lorda sa onim ludim flamerom sto se baca 12" itd....

Mislim da je Vortex Heavy 1 Psy power, tako da ima domet 12 incha, nema pomeranja ako oces da ga bacis.

A za Fateweavera- on ti na 4+ kaze Deny the Witch, jer je sigurno veci Mastery Lvl od Librariana..
Jedino mucenog Chaos Lorda ako juris, mada je on pi*ka, njega relano prebijes sa Termosima..nema potrebe zalaziti u njegov, ograniceni, izdajnicki um da bi pucao na druge izdajice. (Death to the Enemies of the Holy Emperor!)
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Demoni u 40k nisu psykeri. :P
Njihov Deny the Witch je 6+. :D
Njihove moci su sve shooting attacks, niti jedan nije psychic power. :lol:
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Vortex of doom je heavy 1, ali terminator armor ti daje relentless, tako da mozes da setas i da ga bacas. :]

Sto se tice ubacivanja jednog sibadzijskog hq-a da mi bude warlord, tu se paranoisem jer doticni ne moze da kosta ispod 150 poena, a da iole valja. A da spizdim 250+ poena samo na HQ, to mi nikada pre nije na dobro izaslo kada sam radio. :/
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PeraNekron wrote:Demoni u 40k nisu psykeri. :P
Njihov Deny the Witch je 6+. :D
Njihove moci su sve shooting attacks, niti jedan nije psychic power. :lol:
Ha! Pathetic.

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Lista pobednika Da Boyz GT 2012 Winning / Best Overall Army List – Grey Knights with Imperial Guard Allies – 1850 points:

HQ1: Coteaz
HQ2: Inquisitor, Terminator armor, Psycannon, DaemonHammer, Psyker Upgrade
HQ(Guard): Lord Commissar, Power Axe

Troops:

Troops1: Strike Squad x10, 2x Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo
Troops2: Strike Squad x10, 2x Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo
Troops3: Strike Squad x10, 2x Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo
Troops4: Strike Squad x10, 2x Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo
Troops5: Acolytes x12, Stormbolters x12
Troops6: Acolytes x12, Stormbolters x12
Troops(Guard): Infantry Platoon
Platoon Command Squad
Infantry Squad, Krak Grenades, Power Axe
Infantry Squad, Krak Grenades, Power Axe
Infantry Squad, Krak Grenades, Power Axe
Infantry Squad, Krak Grenades, Power Axe
Infantry Squad, Krak Grenades, Power Axe
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Telion wrote:Uvek mozes da napravis Captain-a sa 2+/3+ saveom i snagom 6 koji udara svojom, ili snagom 8 inicijative 1, a da kosta oko 150-160 poena. Ima doduse samo 3 napada bazicno, ali ok.
Onda bolje das jos 50 poena za lysandera, pa bar znas da ti warlord nece zginuti. U svakom slucaju to + librarian ti je vec pojelo ~300 poena koji nisu scoring, dok taj skupi warlord moze ubije max 3-4 modela po potezu. Nisam siguran koliko vanila marinci to mogu da priuste, ali isprobacu pa cu videti.
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Neke zanimljivosti koje sam nasao:
Chaos Khorne Lord na juggernautu sa Axe of Blind Fury ima 5+rage/counter attack+d6 napada S6, AP2, I5 (dada, dobro vidite sve statove), uz T5, i W4. Uz dodatne tricarije 4++ save, WotLW, dodje na 175 poena.

Ide sa unitom od 5 spawnova bez marka.

Ispred njih idu jos 5 nurgle spawnova sa warlordom na bikeu (T6), burning brand-om, power fistom i slicnim tricarijama - izadje na 190 poena. Alternativno moze ici sa nurgle bikerima koji imaju istu cenu i melte / plazme na sebi. Imaju 3+ save, ali 1W... tu su negde slicni po odnosu cena / kvalitet.

Helldrake

6 havoca sa 4 lasera
6 havoca sa 4 autocannona (16 pucanja S7 za 128 poena je dobar izbor)

aegis sa quad gunom

i truperi su 3 puta po 7 nurgle marinaca (T5, FNP), i jedom 18 kultista. Alternativno, mogu da se ubace jos 2 grupe po 18 kultista, umesto jednih nurgleovaca.

Postoji jos jedna gadna opcija, a to je demon princ sa the black mace (koji je AP2 u rukama demon princa ako se ja ne varam). Mada mi se on nesto nije uklopio u listu.

Tek kad sam ubacio havoce bez flakk ML, tek sam onda shvatio koliko su skupi ovi sa istima. Prakticno se potpuno ne isplate.

Mauler mi se nacelno svidja, ali mi se ne dopada laki poen za first blood.

U ovom pravcu razmisljam za sledeci turnir.
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The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

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Dzon Vejn wrote:...6 havoca sa 4 autocannona (16 pucanja S7 za 128 poena je dobar izbor)...
Znači ovako: Autocannon (R48", S7, AP4, Heavy 2) X 4 komada je 16 pucanja :?: :?: :?: 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
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Jes; vala racunao sam na 2 takva unita, ali ne i na 2 puta poene :D. Bilo kako bilo, to je neka okvirna lista i okvirna ideja.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Black mace je AP 4 jbg ;) Tako je za sad ceka se taj faq da se vidi ali trenutno tako stoje stvari ovaj sa MoK je dobar.
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To za black mace je isto zanimljivo ali nije za ovu temu.
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Dzon Vejn wrote:i truperi su 3 puta po 7 nurgle marinaca (T5, FNP), i jedom 18 kultista. Alternativno, mogu da se ubace jos 2 grupe po 18 kultista, umesto jednih nurgleovaca.
Prva varijanta je bolja. I vodis unit od 20 kultista, da bi mogli da imaju 2 Flamera ili 2 Heavy Stubbera.
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ZergLord wrote:...2 Flamera ili 2 Heavy Stubbera.
Prvo da, drugo je 6 x S4 sa BS3 te tezi ka beskorisnom.
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Ono sto mi najvise smeta kod svih tih nurgle bajkera, spawnova, lordova na bajku/juggernautu, i ostalih unita skupih baja bez ++ savea je sto ce u prvom potezu pored njih da padne 6 tzeench flamera koji kostaju 130 poena i da ih obrisu sa stola.

Ako se kojim slucajem to ne desi u prvom potezu, desice se u drugom ili trecem kada jos flamera stigne iz rezerve. Cak i da ih ne roknu iz deep strike-a, opet flameri mogu da se ustekaju iza nekog velikog terena i posto su jump infantry da im preseku put (i zivote) kud god ovi da krenu. Pritom koliko vidim na svetskim turnirima demoni su jako popularan izbor za saveznike.

(da, znam da demoni treba da dobiju novi codex pre etc-a, ali to ne znaci da flameri nece ostati isti ili postati jos ludji, tako da moramo ici sa pretpostavkom da se nece znatno promeniti)
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A kako tacno 6 flamera obrise 5 spawnova sa T6 i W3?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Sad cu za turnir da izvedem sledece listu :

Overlord (2+ save, rezz orb, warscythe, mindshackle scarabs)
3 Lorda (svi sa warscythe i mindshackle scarabs)
Cryptek (veil of darkness/abyssal staff)

2 x 10 Immortals sa tesla puskama
10 immortals sa blasterima u Night Scythe

10 deathmark snajperista
Triarch Stalker

5 x Destroyers

Annihilation Barge
Monolith

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Dzon Vejn wrote:A kako tacno 6 flamera obrise 5 spawnova sa T6 i W3?
Ranjavaju ih na 4+, nebitno T.
E sada ako uspe sa svakim flejmerom da poklopi po 3-4 komada, uz malo srece moze :)
Ja sam mu celu neku guardu poubijao u jednom potezu sa flejmerima, pa zato ih spominje. :wink: :mrgreen:
Inace koliko stvari nismo radili kako treba, nije ni cudno sto nam je obojici to bila druga partija (meni u zivotu, njemu posle par godina) :D
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T sam naveo samo ako je neko mislio da koristi drugu opciju koju imaju flameri (verujem da retko ko zna da oni uopste imaju drugu opciju).

Ako se dobro postavis (u liniju), a on dobije hit i idealno se postavi, pogadja ti plafon 2 modela sa svakim flamerom. Onda, ni jedan njegov flamer template ne sme da predje preko drugog njegovog modela (sto niko do sada nije igrao kako treba), sto ce reci da on moze maksimalno sa 3 svoja flamera da opali po tebi (4. bi vec morao da kaci svoj model zbog nacina na koji se pojavljuju deep strike modeli). Dakle to je 6 napada, na 4 to wound = 3 wounda = 1 mrtav spawn po proseku. Ili 2 spawna ako probije bas sve ;).

To i dalje ne menja cinjenicu da su flameri jedan od najboljih unita u igri po odnosu cena / kvalitet ;). Samo sam hteo da skrenem paznju ljudima da 6 flamera ne radi nista ;). Odnosno nista vise nego sto rade 3 flamera ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Sta ste se uvatili za spawnove te od 3 wounda, a i nisu flameri jedini koji ce da pucaju u toj demonskoj armiji. xD

Poenta je da tih nekoliko flamera + jos malo shootinga u prvom turnu onesposobe ili obrisu sa stola koji hoces deathstar unit ako doticni deathstar nije skriven u transportu ili deployovan bas daleko gde oni ne mogu da pridju.
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Sve radi....u teoriji. ;)

EDIT : U prethodno pomenutoj listi, izbacim jednog Lorda, ubacim Crypteka sa Staff of Light (12'' Asasult 3, Strength 5, AP 3 ) da ide sa Immortalima, posto je poenta da oni iskoce iz aviona, upucaju nesto, a onda sta im C'tan (kojeg su ubili) da. :D A i Cryptek moze sa roll to hit 6 da snajperise neke cike kod protivnika, tipa sergeanta sa power fistom, ciku sa plasmom/lascannonom i sl.
Za ostatak dam Overlordu 3+ ward save, ipak znaci...ali stvarno.
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