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Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Da ne bih pravio off topic u pocetnickim pitanjima, ovde cu navoditi ono sto sam do sada video da se igra pogresno. Ne zelim nikoga da imenujem, jer ne zelim da ovo bude prozivka (cilj je da se ljudi nateraju da procitaju pravila). Sva diskusija dobrodosla. Disclaimer: nisam jos stigao do FAQ-a, tako da pricam samo o "osnovnim" pravilima.

Elem, da krenem:
Nastavicu "odu o letacima" za pocetak:
- nemaju svi flyeri hover mode (eto npr. nekronski nemaju po rulebooku), sto znaci da neki moraju da idu u zoom modu
- kada flyer popije immobile result, osim sto mu je za ostatak partije lokovan velocity (inace, to ne znaci hover / zoom mode, kako sam video da ljudi igraju, vec da ide tacno 18" ili preko 18" - kako je radio u prethodnom krugu), ne moze ni da radi evade niti flat out move. Takodje, svaki immobile result posle prvog je gubitak 2 hull poena (posto flyeri imaju uglavnom 3 HP, i retko ko moze da se popravi, to prakticno znaci da je drugi immobile u vecini slucajeva = mrtav flyer)
- kada flyer popije crew stunned, ne moze se okretati

Zatim kako radi beam:
- prvo, beam koji prodje kroz zgradu / ruinu gubi 1 poen snage. Znaci kada imate monstera sa T5, iza zgrade / ruine, a na vas puca beam snage 10 - nema instant deatha.
- drugo (nije bilo bitno, ali je bitno znati za inace), prvi model na koga ce naleteti beam, mora biti iz unita koji je i ostatak unita gadjao.

Psychic Hood:
- ne moze ponistiti power koji protivnik baca na svoj unit. Preduslov za koriscenje ovog itema jeste da se koristi na "friendly" modele.

Precision Shots:
- ovo nisam video nikoga da je koristio. Karakteri koji bace 6 to hit (bilo shooting, bilo close combat), biraju model koji ce popiti ranu. Vrlo bitno kada hocete da uklonite, npr., power fist koji nije champion.
- kako precision shot radi u kombinaciji sa challendge-om, za sada ostaje misterija - prelistacu FAQove i slicne materijale, ali ako se gleda cist wording u knjizi, 2 karaktera koja su u challendgeu, a dobiju i neku 6 to hit, mogu sa tom sesticom pogoditi i ostatak unita (sto ne vazi u suprotnom smeru).

Glorious Intervention:
- sa obzirom na kolicinu pravila za koju sam primetio da se "propusta", bio bih zacudjen da je neko cuo za ovo pravilo uopste, kamoli da zna sta radi. Mislim da ne bi bilo lose da procitate, cisto da znate da postoji kao opcija.

Stealth / Shrouded:
- Ova specijalna pravila ne zahtevaju da protivnik bude dalje od 12" da bi mogla da se primene. Mozda je u pitanju bio neki nekronski specijalni rule, to jos ostaje da proverim.

Transfer pravila sa karaktera na unite i obrnuto:
- Nekime je "dobro poznato" da se pravila prenose, medjutim, osnovni rulebook kaze sasvim suprotno od toga. Pravila se NE prenose. Osim tamo gde je eksplicitno napisano da se prenose, ako makar 1 model ima neko pravilo.

Indenpendent karakter koji vodi unit koji je ispod 25% (niko nije igrao pogresno, ali sumnjam da ljudi znaju za ovaj rule):
- Se vraca na normalan LD, a ne na snake eyes.

Start of turn (bilo je u nekim drugim temama):
- iako ne postoji eksplicitno opisan, pominje se i u samom rulebooku, tako da to znaci da postoji. Procitati "generating warp charge". Samo ne postoji kao posebna faza.

Wrecked vehicles:
- teren koji oni ostave za sobom je i difficult i dangerous (ovo drugo nisam jos video da neko primenjuje)

Toliko za sada...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Idemo redom:

Psycic hood primljeno k znanju, ovo sam ja redovno radio pogresno, nisam znao da je samo za friendly modele

Stealth/shrouded: Pobrkao si sa night fighting. istina, ne zahtevaju, ali retko koji unit ima stealth/shrouded sam po sebi, uglavnom dobijes ZBOG nightfightinga, i to zato sto si preko 12 incha.

Wrecked vehicles:
Uvek bila i uvek biche difficult i dangerous, to je ostalo od pete edicije. Ne brkati sa kraterom posle eksplozije vozila, NIJE isto.


Inace....
Dzone, ja ne znam sa kime si ti igrao, ali sem za psycic hood, sve ostalo, barem u partijama u kojima sam ja igrao i koje sam gledao, ako je bilo, bilo je i ispostovano. Redovno mi Nemanja precision shotom sa telionom i snajperistima sklanja stvari (a i luka sad na turniru), Glorious intervention je koriscen kada je bilo vise od jednog karaktera u jedinici a da zelis da se to dogodi (sto je zaista retko), i sl.
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Stealth recimo mozes da dobijes pomocu warlord traita (kad si u ruinama, sto sam ja bio i sto sam dobio). Nightfight je druga prica, to je ok i jasno. Jos nisam prelistao necronska specijalna pravila, pa necu donositi uzurbane zakljucke. Da ne spominjem tek Ramba koji se rodi sa stealth-om.

Recimo meni je wrecked novo. Cak i za 5. ediciju nisam znao da je dangerous. Takodje, mistika je da li je krater posle Explodes! 4 ili 5 cover (inace, da, wreck nije isto sto i Explode). Jer pravilo kaze scattered wreckage ili crater. A onda u opisu terena ono prvo ne postoji (ali postoji wreckage koji je 4+), a ni ovo drugo ne postoji (ali postoji impact crater koji je 5+).

Nije bitno sa kim sam igrao :D. Nij cilj da se ljudi prozivaju, nego da nauce pravila.

Flyere apsolutno niko nije igrao kako treba, na partijama koje sam ja gledao / igrao.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Ja nisam znao na Necronski flayeri imaju samo zoom, to sam saznao posle prve partije(za koju i nije bilo bitno jer se nije odigrala),i to je faq-ovano.Kada si locked velocity zadrzavas se u modu u kom si bio ja barem to tako razumem osim ako ne gresim? Isto za cover flayera sam mislio da imas automatski 5+ sto sam isto saznao posle prve partije (gde opet nije bilo bitno :D ).

E sad za ovo da li beam gubi snagu ako prodje kroz ruin ja koliko sam shvatio gubi ako ruina ima postolje ako ne ne gubi,gresim li?

Stealth i shrouded ja sam isto pogresio mislio sam da je isto bilo da je night fight ili ne sad sam video da zaprvao nije i zato ne samo marbo da zapravo radi bolje (nego kako sam ga ja vodio,jer ne umre od pucanja tako lako) vec harlekini imaju 4+ cover na otvorenom, jer se i oba rule-a stackuju.

Sto se tice start of turn ako ne postoji kao faza onda mora da pripada nekoj fazi, e sad to je jedino movmentu.

Evo na primer stubborn se uvek prolazi na taj Ld cak i ako se modifikuje na neki nacin a poweri koji ga afektuju ( Ld ) rade protiv pucanja npr., ako se smanji Ld stubborn unit-u i koristi se onaj psajkik shrik to targetuje smanjen Ld a sam check se prolazi na ne modifikovani.

Inace dobra tema moram priznati imace lepo sve na skupu sto je neko odigrao pogresno.
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Ne, nisi dobro shvatio. Postoje 2 razlicite stvari: mod kretanja i velocity. Mod kretanja je hover (oni koji mogu uopste!) / zoom. A velocity je combat speed / cruising speed. Flyer koji je u hover modu je imobilisan normalno (jer pravilo vazi samo za zooming flyere). Zooming flyer ima zakljucan velocity. A to je da li ces se kretati TACNO 18" ili 18.01"-36". Nadam se da je sada pojasnjeno. Takodje, jos jedan propust koji sam vise puta primetio je: 2 immobile rezultata = 3 hull poena.

Da, smanjuje se za ruinu. Cim dodirnes zid ruine, smanjuje se. Nema veze sa postoljem. A posto je beam sirine 1", to onda znaci da je prakticno nemoguce pucati ukoso a da ne prodjes kroz neki zid. Mozda mozes u nekom idealnom slucaju ako pucas direktno pravo kroz prozor pod uglom od 90" ili tako nesto. Mada je i tada pitanje. Znaci nema veze sa postoljem, nego sa zidom, kao sto je opisano u knjizi, samo treba procitati :D.

Nisi jedini koji je pogresno tvrdio za stealth / shrouded (kao i za puno drugoga sto sam napisao ;) ). Znaci i ostali trebaju da obrate paznju na razna pravila.

Za start of turn je moje licno misljenje da ne pripada nicemu. To je jednostavno start of turn. Mislim da svi znaju engleski dovoljno da znaju sta je start i sta je turn. Ono sto bi svakako bilo idealno jeste da se ovo FAQ-uje, zbog raznih muljanja koja tu mogu da se jave.

Za stubborn samo jos malo pojasnjenje, cisto da bi se ukljucila sva pravila (a i nije mi najjasnije sta si hteo da napises):
1. ovo je power koji se "prenosi"
2. radi samo na morale i pinning testove (jer mu je takav opis)
3. shodno tome, unitu se moze smanjiti LD, sto moze imati uticaj na neke iteme / spellove / sta god, dokle god to nije morale ili pinning test
4. medjutim, ako je unit i fearless, onda ovo pravilo ne vazi, nego vazi fearless pravilo (koje na sve ovo sto sam napisao samo dodaje da se prolazi jos i fear i regroup automatski, ali da zato ne mozes go to ground i our weapons are useless)

Licno, voleo bih i ostali da pisu neke stvari koje smatraju da su im bile sporne u partijama. Ima toliko puno pravila da je prakticno nemoguce u jednom citanju provaliti sve sitnice.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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U toku jucerasnih partija su bila postavljena neka pitanja i nedoumice, koja smo uglavnom resavali na konstruktivan nacin (neko popusti ili na 4+). U medjuvremenu sam prelistao pravila, pa bih samo voleo da zapisem ovde:

- Uniti koji dodju iz rezerve mogu turbo boost (TB) da rade. TB radi u shootingu umesto shootinga. Shodno tome, nisam nasao nista sto bi me sprecilo u pravilima da radim turbo boost.

- Walker moze da se pivotuje u shooting fazi. Ovo mi je potpuno promaklo u prvom citanju. Svaka cast za ostro oko - ne mislim da je to pravilo koje je mnogo bitno, ali svakako moze biti zanimljivo primeniti ponekad.

- Vector strike udara uvek u bok, bez obzira odakle se prelece vozilo. Ono sto je zanimljivo, a sto mi je takodje promaklo u prvom citanju, i sto nisam primetio da je iko primenjivao kod nas - to se racuna kao jedan shooting. Nije mnogo bitno, jer mozes proglasiti da je to "snap" shooting, ali moze biti bitno ponekad. Takodje, vector strike je AP3, sto je jos jedna stvar koja mi je promakla u prvom citanju. Dakle ne AP kao MC.

- Potvrda da MC imaju AP2 (kao rezultat smash pravila). Potvrda da MC mogu da rade RR penetracije, kao posledica istog tog pravila. MC imaju i move through cover (sto je nesto sto sam prevideo potpuno).

- Swooping MC idu 2d6" u run modu, a ne 12" TB. A flat out zooming flyeri ne moraju da idu do 12", nego od 12" do 24".

- Ono sto me je zbunjivao i sto me i dalje zbunjuje: znao sam da ima nesto zbog cega mi je bilo sumnjivo da li MC imaju I1 kada rade assault kroz difficult teren. Elem evo o cemu se radi: move through cover (koji MC imaju) kaze da to pravilo ignorise charge range rolls i impact test (za koji verujem da 95% igraca ne zna ni sta je). Medjutim nista nije objasnjeno u vezi ostatka teksta - da li oni imaju I1 zbog toga sto idu kroz difficult teren? Ili im to pravilo negira sve ostale penale? Jer ja ne vidim ista u pravilima sto bi mi sugerisalo da oni trebaju da imaju I1. Po wordingu u knjizi ja bih ovu kombinaciju shvatio kao: 3d6, 2 nize za charge, bez dangerous terena, i bez smanjenja inicijative... bilo bi dobro postaviti ovo pitanje.

- Kada na jedinicu u open groundu puca unit iz sume, unit u open groundu ima 5+ cover. Jer cim LoS prolazi kroz sumu, defender automatski dobija cover save (opisano u pravilima za forest). Malo mi ovo deluje cudno, pa ostaje jos da proverim da li je eratovano. Ali ono sto mi se cini kao 100% sigurno jeste da ako unit iz sume puca kroz drvo u nesto van sume, to nesto svakako ima cover. Zbog true line of sight.

- Jos jedna stvar koja se cesto previdi: area teren (a to je sve ono sto ima neko postolje dole) daje +2 na cover save. A area teren moze biti i suma i ruina, .... To ce reci: ruine koje imaju postolje, omogucavaju da dobijes 2+ cover save kada radis gone to ground.

- Fearless uniti ne mogu gone to ground: jos jedno od pravila koje sam prevideo.

- edit: potvrda da furious charge ne daje +1I u assaultu. Samo +1S.

Za kraj: gde se moze naci konacni spisak eratovanih pravila? Isto pitanje za ETC rulinge?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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za move through cover: totalno ne utice na assault. Bacas 3d6 i biras dve manje, IMAS inicijativu 1, itd itd. Jos lepo pise da ti daje da bacas jednu ekstra kockicu prilikom kretanja kroz difficult ali da ne utice na assault moves. Plus, cim ne pise da ignorise teren prilikom assaulta znaci da imas inicijativu 1 (sem ako nemas nesto drugo sto bi ignorisalo, kao granate). Cak i swarms, koji nemaju move through cover vec imaju "is not slowed by difficult terrain" i dalje imaju inicijativu 1 pri assaultu, jer pise "cim je unit assaultovao kroz difficult teren, ima inicijativu jedan".

Za area i ruins: Ruina ne moze biti area teren. Moze da ima bazu, u kom slucaju se baza tretira kao area teren, i daje 5+ cover, dok ostatak ruine daje 4+ cover. Ako imas ruinu koja je samo ground floor, treba se dogovoriti sa protivnikom da li je area teren (5+ cover, +2 na cover if gone to ground), ili ruina (4+ cover ali zavisno od LOS). Sad, ako bas hocete da se bahatite, mozete da kazete da je to area teren sa 4+ coverom (sto cesto radimo, jer nas mrzi da razmisljamo). Ali ono sto ne moze NIKAKO je da spratovi iznad prizemlja imaju "area terrain" klasifikaciju.

Za erate: Vidi FAQ na GW sajtu.

Za Drekin pivot: ovo je bilo i u petoj ediciji....

Za sve vezano za letece monstruozne stvari: pa dobro ljudi, to je jedna strana u pravilima, zar svi gresite toliko i ne citate? o.O
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Hypodermic wrote: Za sve vezano za letece monstruozne stvari: pa dobro ljudi, to je jedna strana u pravilima, zar svi gresite toliko i ne citate? o.O
Ovo se obicno pojavljuje kod ljudi koji uopste nemaju letece monstrume, kao npr. ja, koji igra sa nekronima. Prelistao sam nesto na brzaka, ali nista vise od toga. Ali recimo znam sva pravila za beastove (canoptek scarabs), chariots (catacomb command barge), i ostale stvari koje imam u codexu.

Nista neobicno da recimo Space Wolves igrac ne zna nista, ili zna vrlo malo o supersonic flyerima i sl.
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Ali to nije opravdanje za neznanje pravila.

U 5oj ediciji ja sa Tiranidima nisam imao nikakva vozila, ali ipak sam znao njihova pravila.
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@Deka: Hvala!

@Boca:
Pise "The Move Through Cover special rule has no effect on charge range rolls". Mada ovaj drugi deo recenice podrzavam - cim ne pise da ignorise, znaci da (verovatno) ne ignorise. Ono sto je sigurno jeste da ne bacas nikakav dangerous koji bi inace bacao (i to je novina za mene licno).

A sto se tice area terena, kaze, strana 91 malog rulebooka, pod "area terrain":
"Trees, rocks, ruins, or whatever is appropriate for the kind of area terrain you are representing, are usually placed within the boundary of the area terrain's base."
i 98, "ruins":
"A ruin might be mounted on a base, decorated with rubble, and other debris. In this case, treat the base as area terrain".

Dakle - baza ruine se pogresno igra kao save 4+, jer nije 4+ nego 5+. Gornji sprat nema area terrain, pa ne daje +2. Odnosno, dole imas 5+ (+2 potencijalno), a gore imas 4+ (+1 potencijalno).

Super mi dodju ova prelistavanja, svaki put provalim jos nesto "novo" :D.

A za MC / fly modele - problem je sto su to po 2 strane pravila koja spominju jos po 10-20 drugih pravila, koja se opet medjusobno pozivaju, blabla... Ali mislim da je sada sve iskristalisano (mada to sam mislio i prosli put :D).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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Dzon Vejn wrote:Dakle - baza ruine se pogresno igra kao save 4+, jer nije 4+ nego 5+. Gornji sprat nema area terrain, pa ne daje +2. Odnosno, dole imas 5+ (+2 potencijalno), a gore imas 4+ (+1 potencijalno).
Sto je upravo ono sto sam i ja rekao :roll: :wink:

Doduse, sad se postavlja konkretno pitanje: da li imas 5+ cover kada te zid ruine ne prekriva, ili imas UVEK? primer su one nase GW zgrade koje smo nalepili na baze, pa sa jedne strane vidis ceo model (ali i dalje imas cover), a sa druge ga vidis kroz prozor ruine...
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ZergLord wrote:U 5oj ediciji ja sa Tiranidima nisam imao nikakva vozila, ali ipak sam znao njihova pravila.
Pa kada si stalno igrao protiv bar 4 vozila :lol: :lol: :lol:

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FAQ je doneo jos neke zanimljivosti:

Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

Dakle nekronski beam ne radi na fly MC u swooping modu.
Takodje, onaj null zone ili kako se vec zove (sto te tera na re-roll inv saves), ne radi na njih.

Razjasnjenje za ono iznad :D :
Q: Do models that ignore difficult terrain when moving or charging
still fight at Initiative step 1 if they charge through difficult terrain?
(p22)
A: Yes.

Jos jedna stvar vezana za smash koja je pogresno igrana (jos je bolje nego sto sam mislio):
Q: The rulebook says that you halve your Attacks characteristic if
you perform a Smash attack. However, if a Monstrous Creature has
an uneven number of Attacks, (3 for example), but has charged that
turn, does it receive the bonus Attack for charging before or after
halving its Attacks? (p42)
A: You halve the model’s Attacks characteristic first, then
apply any additional modifiers. In the example above, the
model would halve its Attacks first (rounding up to 2), then
receive a bonus Attack for charging.

Zatim jos jedna stvar koja je pogresno igrana (demoni postaju sve bolji i bolji :D):
Q: Flyers are entitled to choose whether or not to use the Skyfire
special rule at the start of each Shooting phase. Can Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures also do this? (p49)
A: Yes.
Dakle - ako hoces da skines nekog fly modela, mozes da izaberes da ga pogadjas normalno 8O

Potvrda za ono sto me je neko pitao:
Q: Does a Flying Monstrous Creature that arrives via Deep Strike
count as arriving in Swoop mode? (p49)
A: Yes.

Zanimljivost:
Q: If one or more members of a vehicle squadron is abandoned, will
it then be worth a separate Victory Point from the rest of its original
squadron? (p77)
A: Yes.

Jos malo unazadjivanja psykera:
Q: Can Psykers use a Transport’s Fire Point(s) to manifest powers
that require line of sight whilst still embarked? (p78)
A: No. Note, however, that witchfire powers specifically allow
you to do so and are the one exception to this rule.

Ovo je isto bio propust:
Q: If a unit disembarks from a destroyed vehicle during the enemy
turn, can it Charge in the Assault phase of its own turn? (p80)
A: No, unless the vehicle in question was an Assault Vehicle.

I jos jedna zanimljivost za flyere, koja je naravno pogresno igrana:
Q: Can Flyers in Hover mode still choose to use the Skyfire special
rule? (p81)
A: No.

I JOS jedna zanimljivost za flyere, koja je opet naravno pogresno igrana - dakle nema "sad se krecem 18" na locked velocity:
Q: If a Flyer suffers Locked Velocity and was moving at Cruising
Speed (18"-36"), what speed is its velocity actually locked at? (p81)
A: 36".

Zanimljivost:
Q: Do modifiers that apply to such things as Reserve rolls, apply to
units from an allied detachment? (p124)
A: No.

Ostaje mi misterija kako se ovo mesa sa CSM knjigom (da li CSM psyker na kraju moze ili ne moze da uzima sarene spellove, i zasto mu pise da "at least 1" spell mora biti iz lora njegovog marka):
Q: Can psychic powers be mixed and matched from the psychic
disciplines and those found in the Codexes? (p418)
A: No. You may select from the psychic powers listed in the
Codex as normal or swap them for a number of rolls on the
psychic disciplines tables.

@Boca:
Da, area terrain ti daje 5+ cover. Nebitno da li te pokriva zid ili ne.
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The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Dakle nekronski beam ne radi na fly MC u swooping modu.
Takodje, onaj null zone ili kako se vec zove (sto te tera na re-roll inv saves), ne radi na njih.

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Trebao bi da radi zato sto Null Zone nije weapon/shooting attack, niti nova, niti maelstrom, niti hex, niti bilo sta od navedenog, vec obican Aera of Effect koji radi onako kako stoji u codexu.

I kao sto pise :
Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.
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Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit
cannot target them.

Zbog toga.
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I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

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Dzon Vejn wrote:Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them.

Zbog toga.
Pa Null Zone bas i nije attack, zar ne?
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Pa sta je tacno "attack" nije nigde definisano. Ja licno mislim da je sasvim jasno sta kaze FAQ - da bi te nesto affectovalo, mora da rolla da te pogodi. Sad, uvek se moze postaviti dodatno podpitanje na ETC.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Null Zone ne mora nikoga da pogodi, pošto to nije ofanzivna akcija iliti napad...

On sam po sebi ne može nikoga ni da povredi, pa samim tim ne mora da te pogodi...

On samo kaže da pošto je librarian trenutno nadrndan, a ti imaš nesreću da si 24" od njega, ti treba ponovo da prođeš svoj invulnerable save, ako si ga prvi put nisi pao...

I to je to...

Nema potrebe za zamišljanjem wordinga, subjektivnom tumačenju pravila i tome sličnom...

Afektovan si samiom činjenicom da si dovoljno prišao librarianu...
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Null zone afektuje fly-ere.
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Meni licno je svejedno, igrali smo tako da je afektovalo sve, i mislim da nije mnogo bitno. Ali bi bilo dobro rascistiti ovo za ETC, pa cu shodno tome postaviti ETC pitanje.

Null zone inace kaze:
"This power is used at the start of the Librarian's Shooting phase. All enemy units within 24" of the Librarian must re-roll successful invulnerable saves for the remainder of the player turn".

Meni ovo prilicno deluje kao attack i kao area of efekat...

Takodje, ne radi ceo game turn (sto je pogresno igrano), nego ceo player turn (dakle u demonskom turnu ne radi spell).

U svakom slucaju, ono sto sigurno znam jeste da beam (npr. necron doom cudo) svakako ne moze da te povredi.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ne znam sa kim si ti igrao, ali odavno je ustanovljeno da Null Zone radi samo do kraja Marinackog poteza.

Null zone je samo AoE koji se baca u shooting fazi, jer nema ni potrebe ranije da ga bacas. (posto u toku tvoje Move faze protivnik ne prolazi nikakve save-ove) Nema veze ni sa jednom podvrstom psy powera iz knjige, bilo bi u FAQ-u, a mislim da nema nista po tom pitanju.
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Pa upravo si sam sebi odgovorio zasto zelim pojasnjenje za to - to je AoE. A AoE je opisan kao nesto sto ne deluje na njih. A nije ni potrebno da bude podvrsta psy powera, potrebno je da bude "attack".

A ovo drugo - bitno je da li radi u protivnickoj fazi (i igrali smo pogresno - da radi), jer u protivnickoj fazi mozes da radis npr. overwatch. Verujem da ima jos primera, ovo je samo prvi koji mi je pao na pamet. Kao sto rekoh - bilo je potpuno nebitno za celu partiju. Super je sto ste ustanovili ispravno za to, ali ja nisam bio upucen ;). Sto je licno moj problem jelte ;).

U svakom slucaju nista necemo izgubiti ako pitamo ;). Tako da ne vidim razlog za dramom oko toga sto zelim da postavim podpitanje ;). Ne zelim da bunarim i ne zelim da budem bunaren, to je sve ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote: ... potrebno je da bude "attack".
Pa eto odgovora - Null Zone nije "attack" iz razloga jer nema takvu "interakciju" sa protivnickim modelima. Naime nema odbrane od njega u vidu DtW-a. Tako da to mu dodje kao blesing po mehanixmu - on baci to na sebe i sta god je od njega udaljeno do 24" a protivnicki je model - re-roll-uje uspesne ward sejvove... Poprilicno mi zvuci jasno, mada sa druge strane ko zna - mozda ovi za ETC zabrane taj power - ili cak i zabrane letace uopste "da bi bilo fer prema starim kodeksima itd itd..." :?
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Telion wrote:...posto u toku tvoje Move faze protivnik ne prolazi nikakve save-ove...
Tank Shock?
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Ne, u shooting jer turbo bustuju.
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"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
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"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
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Oto - ni od "area of" efekata nemas deny the witch (ako se ja ne varam, a provericu opet), pa je opet navedeno da ne rade AoE na njih ;). Blessing radi u movement fazi i targetuje friendly unite (sto Null Zone ne radi). edit: Nova je najblize opisu Null Zone-a inace.

Zato lepo treba postaviti pitanja za sve sto je "sumnjivo", da ne bude iznenadjenja na samom turniru ;). Npr. ako Null Zone radi ovako kako se igra kod nas, to odjednom postaje dosta dobra opcija za counter-ovanje demonskih armija. A ne bi bilo dobro da dodjemo na turnir sa armijom koja "jebe kevu protiv demona" da bi na samom turniru shvatili da to "ne radi onako kako smo mi mislili" ;).

Mada ne sumnjam da koliko god spornih stvari uspemo da pronadjemo u knjizi, uvek ce biti neki Djozo Grozni koji je nasao neku rupu za koju nije postavljeno pitanje :? :roll: .
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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Skroz je uredu da se postavi takvo pitanje. Mi smo ovde samo izneli nasa misljenja, koja smatram da su skroz logicna, sto ne mora da znaci da smo u pravu.
(mada sam retko bio u krivu sto se tice 40k tumacenja :wink: )
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"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
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Proveravao sam kako radi Deny the Witch na multiple targete, ipak moze svaki unit zasebno da baci roll (edit: sto je jos jedna od stvari za ovu temu :D). Samo ne za beam, to je FAQ-ovano, to sam juce procitao.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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bojan wrote:
Telion wrote:...posto u toku tvoje Move faze protivnik ne prolazi nikakve save-ove...
Tank Shock? ...

Tank Shock samo u slucaju da je to Orkovski Battlewagon sa Deathrollerom, obzirom da su hitovi koje on nanosi AP-, sto znaci da bi to jedino bilo "korisno" ako bi igrali Marinci i Orkovi protiv Demona ili nekih drugih stvari koje imaju samo inv. save...tako da mislim da i ovu opciju mozemo iskljuciti.

Ali svakako da, treba postaviti ovo pitanje, i iskreno mislim da njihov odgovor ne bi trebao da se razlikuje od nasih zakljucaka, mada videcemo, ipak je to ETC.
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Ovo sam na vise partija primetio da se igra pogresno: pucanje iz transporta se ne vrsi sa bilo koje tacke od hull-a, vec sa fire pointa. Ukljucujuci i LoS, koji se takodje meri od fire pointa. Kao i range.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Ovo sam na vise partija primetio da se igra pogresno: pucanje iz transporta se ne vrsi sa bilo koje tacke od hull-a, vec sa fire pointa. Ukljucujuci i LoS, koji se takodje meri od fire pointa. Kao i range.
Osim ako nije open toped ;)
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Protiv njih jos nisam imao priliku da se oprobam, te nisu ni imali priliku da ih igraju pogresno :D.

Smatraj se izazvanim da ih demonstriras uzivo ;). Ako si slobodan sledece nedelje mozemo neki dan u klubu da se nadjemo da vidimo kako ti open topped orkovi rade ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Nisu samo orkovi open toped, i dark eldari imaju gomilu takvih vozila. Na zalost sesta edicija je degradirala vozila pa u orkovskoj listi ne bih izlazio ni sa jednim (izuzev avioncica koji su cool :) ). Jedina sansa orkova su sada masa i ubrzanje (gomila boyza i motora :D )...
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Avioncici, masa, open topped, motori, sta god hoces ;). Protiv orkova sam igrao ukupno 1 partiju u zivotu, pa mislim da to treba promeniti ;). Ako budes free sledece nedelje javni vreme ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Pravila koja sam primetio da se pogresno igraju

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1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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Jel ovo definitivno? Pretpostavljam da nije, obzirom da je v0.9...

Nisam jos stigao sve da procitam(naravno :D) ali mi je jedna stvar odmah zapala za oko: "- Space Marine Librarians are able to use The Gate of Infinity if they are locked in close combat or in a transport vehicle.."

I like that one. 8-)

+
"X. ELDAR
1. General
1.1 Eldar jetbikes cannot use their special assault move after a turboboost."

Ali zato za Dark Eldarske ne pise... :roll: :lol:
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1.1 Reanimation protocols apply whatever the
cause of the casualty, except as a result of being
removed from play.
1.8 When a Nighscythe transporting passengers
explodes, resolve the hits normally against
passengers, put them in reserve, apply reanimation
protocols and ignore the potential morale test.
2.5 Symbiotic Repair cannot be used to negate an
Immobilized result to a Command Barge which
moved flat out.
2.8 The Voltaic Staff inflicts ‘Haywire’ AP- damage
for every hit scored against vehicles in addition to
normal damages caused by its S5 attacks.
3.3 Death Ray’s ‘line’ can be drawn across a close
combat
3.4 Monolith Portal of Exile can affect models
engaged in close combat (also see III Shooting
5.3).
3.6 Gloom Prism works for the first targeted model
if the unit in which the model is part of is the spider
unit with the prism or in 3 inches of the spider unit
with the prism. No other model other than the first
targeted model can use the prism roll to nullify
Jaws of the World Wolf.
:-s #-o :roll: :roll:

A ovo je nesto najbesmislenije sto sam procitao :
3.5 The Doom Scythe's Death Ray may still place
its initial point and draw its line anywhere within
360 degrees of its weapon, but may only cause hits
and allocate wounds to models within its line of
sight. It can affect units in close combat, and is
considered hull mounted.
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Da ima svasta nesto tipa i da wolf lord na thunder wolfu ne moze da se joinuje twc :D Ali to sto jaws ukida necrone je vise nego LOL.

Ono sto sam video do sada usrali su se u zivot Necronima, i pomalo vukovima , ali IG PBS sada moze da baci weakening i da trci ili puca :D
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