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Ako se ipak odlucis za Jet-council razmisli o DE saveznicima, mozda da uzmes Barona koji ima 2 rane i 2+ inv. save, pa ako dobijes onu magiju sto ti daje re-roll neuspesnih save-ova na konju si.
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Luka, mislim da je problem Council liste sto iskusnim igracima ne moze uzeti poene, a protiv flajera/moje liste ne mora ni da igra. Hiljadu jebenih poena ce uzeti 100 godina da ubiju Ironclada od 135 poena, a nikada onaj moj mini star sa neubivljivim lordom 5 sestara pristom i jednim u ovom slucaju Tech marincem. Pazi znaci nikada. A tu je mojh 400 ili manje poena.

Opako gubi protiv brzih i ozbiljnih listi (lista za bilo kakvim Invisibilitijem, tvojim 2+ re-rollable save-ovima itd).
Dok ova druga lista je fleksibilnija, moze da stoji i puca serpentima pa ti pridji, Tu su Garde za 15 pucanja snage 10 AP1ili2, i 5 flejmera sa 6 insta kilom (dobro doslo za sve multi wound modele), itd. Ofulji vecinu proslogodisnjih listi samo tako - nesretne nekrone satre u grob po kratkom postupku.

Mada Igor treba da vodi sta god mu vise lezi, mozda ne moze on igrati "moju" listu bolje nego li svoju za koju ima nekakvu ideju sta sa njom da radi.
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Igore, baci pogled na ovu listu. Serpent Spam, a imas i Fire Dragone ako naidjes na neki AV14...

Autarch, Fusion gun – 80

5 Fire Dragons, Wave Serpent with Holofields and Scatterlasers – 245
5 Fire Dragons, Wave Serpent with Holofields and Scatterlasers – 245

5 Dire Avengers, Wave Serpent with Holofields and Scatterlasers – 200
5 Dire Avengers,, Wave Serpent with Holofields and Scatterlasers – 200
5 Dire Avengers, Wave Serpent with Holofields and Scatterlasers – 200
5 Dire Avengers, Wave Serpent with Holofields and Scatterlasers – 200

Wraithknight (Warlord), D-cannons – 240
Wraithknight, D-cannons -240


Tacno 1850 poena.
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evo nesto o cemu razmisljam za etc

varijanta 1:
hq:
yarrick
priest
3xprimaris psyker

troop:
50 gardista sa autocannonima
50 gardista sa lascannonima

Ally grey knight:
hq:
coteaz

troop:
5 knightova u razorbacku (psybolt), plus psycannon

heavy:
dreadnight sa svime

to je 1625, sto znaci da ostaje jos 225 za dopunu. Ideja je da coteaz stoji sa jednim blobom (zavisi od partije koji je bolji), i na njih baca sta treba. grey knightovi rade sta rade, a imperijalni psajkeri samonuju demone po tabli. Mislim da je ovde problem mali koliko je sve to pokretno zbog jurnjave za objectivima, a i mozda mi ne bi odgavarale heavy armor liste pa zbog toga i



varijanta 2:
hq:
3x psajker
pask, ukupno 2 tenka punshera sa bolterima

troop:
veterani u chimeri sa 2 meltaguna
veterani, demolitions, 3x meltagun bez chimere

elite:
5 psajkera u chimeri

grey knightovi:
coteaz
opet istih 5 knightova u razorbacku
stormraven (koji bi prevozio imperijalne veterane. Assault vehicle, pa veterani mogu da assaultuju vozilo. Ako ga ne ubiju 3 melte plus bomba, onda ce ga ubiti 10 meltabombi)
dreadknight sa svime

ostaje jos 120 poena da se nesto ubaci. ovo je brza lista za objective, medjutim ima problem sto treba da izadje iz transporta da bi bacala magiju pa malo mora da se skriva i da se mnogo vise pazi sta se radi, a i onda tau predstavljaju veci problem. princip je isti, grey knightovi boostuju jedinice, a imperijalci izbacuju demone
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A mozda da probas nesto sto je Bojan isprobavao- das bloku Gardista Inkvizitora sa psyocculumom (BS10 on i njegov unit kada pucaju na Psykere), izbacis jedan blok gardista i uzmes jos GK u transportima za uzimanje objectiva..

Samo ljudi, imajte u vidu da nece ovako moci za ETC bas. Gomila nas u svojm test listama koristi GK i Inquisition Codexe...a moci cemo samo 2 GK i 1 Inq.. :|
Koliko sam razumeo kapitena bice neki neformalni sastanak u petak pre fudbala gde bi bilo dobro da se dogovorimo, izmedju ostalog, i sta ko ima na raspolaganju od armija.

Trenutno ono sto imamo u vidu kao dobre kombinacije su:
1. GK/SM
2. AM/GK/Inq?
3. Eldar
4. CD/Eldar
5. SM
6. CSM/CD ili Necron
7. SW- all drop pod (Mislim da se, ukoliko se budu igrale one misije sa tactical objective-ima, ova lista komotno moze voditi na ETC)
8. Tau (can we make it work?)

Tu su uvek i neugodni Farani, ovaj mislim, Nekroni..Ravenwing, Deathwing, Dark Eldari (mozda kao sitni saveznici za Eldare?)

Mislim da su gore navedene kombinacije ono sto bismo trebali da imamo u reprezentaciji po trenutnoj meti, i sve ove kombinacije se mogu napraviti da imaju jako mobilne jedinice za zauzimanje objective-a.
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sto se tice lista, ako se vodi astra militarum, ne mislim da je potrebno da ta lista pojede jos dva slota (inkviziciju i GK)
"Narod u demokratiji ne može da pogreši. Kakva god da je odluka naroda to je odluka Boga." Vulin.
"Potrebno je da vozilo koje vrši transport ima onu ruku napred, da prebacuje... Imaju proizvođači, ja sad ne znam ko su“ Velja.
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Evo jos jedne potencijalno zanimljive kombinacije- Dark Eldar/Iyanden:

Duke Sliscus 150 - Warlord
5 Wyches (Haywire Granades), Raider with Torment GL 125
5 Wyches (Haywire Granades), Raider with Torment GL 125
5 Wyches (Haywire Granades), Raider with Torment GL 125
5 Wyches (Haywire Granades), Raider with Torment GL 125
3 Beastmasters with 15 Khymeraes 216
Ravager with Night Shields 115
Ravager with Night Shields 115
Ravager with Night Shields 115

Spiritseer 70
Spiritseer 70
Spiritseer 70
Spiritseer 70
Spiritseer 70
5 Dire Avengers, Wave Serpent with TL Scater Lasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holofields 210

Aegis DL with Comms Relay 70


Total: 1841 poen..
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U vezi danasnje price "Henchmeni vs Purifieri", evo jedne krajnje jednostavne liste pa je vi dalje razradjujte...ima 18 (+d6) WC.

Librarian (Nemesis Daemonhammer, Servo Skull, Lvl3) 210 - Warlord
Castellan Crowe 150
5 Purifiers (2x Psycannon, Rhino) 180
5 Purifiers (2x Psycannon, Rhino) 180
5 Purifiers (2x Psycannon, Rhino) 180
5 Purifiers (2x Psycannon, Rhino) 180
5 Purifiers (2x Psycannon, Rhino) 180
5 Purifiers (2x Psycannon, Rhino) 180
Stormraven Gunship 205
Stormraven Gunship 205


Total: 1850 poena
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librarian mora da bude u terminator armoru. a ako se vozi u avionu ne moze da baca madjije. da ide sam po tabli ne ide.
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Ta dva aviona su ti 6WC koje protivnik tesko uzme, nisam ni mislio da Crowe i Librarian odmah bacaju magije, vec da samo dodaju kockice kako bi Purifieri lakse bacali svoje nova powere, pa tek kada oni "smeksaju" protivnika izadju i neke nesrecnike..sta znam, rekao sam da je dalje razradjujete.. :D
Naravno do tad avioni mogu sa svojim raketicama da ubiju neke Psykere..
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Evo sta sam ja video kao zanimljivo kod GK i trebalo bi probati :

Corteaz

6* henchemeni ( 1 psajker i dva akolita ) u razorbecima sa HB
3*5 purifajera sa 2 psajcanonoa u rhinima
2 drednota sa AC
2 Storm ravena

ADL

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To mu izadje 1798 poena, ako je ADL sa Comms Relay...
Ali, i ovako imamo problem da skrpimo 6 srebrnih Razorback-a, 'de si sad ti pos'o sa jos 3 Rhina.. :lol:
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Telion wrote:To mu izadje 1798 poena, ako je ADL sa Comms Relay...
Ali, i ovako imamo problem da skrpimo 6 srebrnih Razorback-a, 'de si sad ti pos'o sa jos 3 Rhina.. :lol:
Ja imam komada 3 ... Razorbacka ...
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momci...
a da vi lepo batalite pravljenje moje liste, i pravite svoje? e to bi bilo super, jer ja cu se i sam snaci...
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Dobro dobro, samo pokusavamo da pomognemo. :roll:

Elem, posto smo za DE/Iyanden vec sastavili neku kombinaciju (za koju tek treba videti kako radi), sastavio sam jednu CSM(Crimson Slaughter)/Necron listu, pa da vidimo u kojem ce se to pravcu razviti. Razlog zbog kojeg sam uzeo Crimson Slaughter je taj sto nisam odmah uspeo da nadjem nacin da moj Chaos Lord iz osnovnog Codex-a ima 2+ armor save, a i taj Supplement me je zaintrigirao, pa sam onda presao na pravljenje liste iz njega. Lista mi se dopada jer, ukoliko igra prva, protivnik ima samo jedan potez pre nego sto ga assaultujem, sto je slicno taktici koju volim da primenjujem u WHFB. Dakle:

Chaos Lord (PF, MoN, Blight Granades, Chaos Bike, Sigil of Corruption, Daemonheart) 185 - Warlord
Chaos Lord (PF, MoN, Blight Granades, Chaos Bike, Sigil of Corruption) 155
10 Chaos Cultists 50
10 Chaos Cultists 50
5 Chaos Spawns (MoN) 180
5 Chaos Spawns (MoN) 180
Maulerfiend 125
Maulerfiend 125
Maulerfiend 125

Destroyer Lord (Warscythe, Sepiternal Weave, Resurrection Orb) 170
5 Warriors in Night Scythe 165
5 Warriors in Night Scythe 165
5 Canoptek Wraiths 175


Total: 1850 poena.
Kako slabo poznajem izdajnicki Codex- prihvatam sve sugestije. :D

P.S. Da, svestan sam da u klubu nema nijednog Maulerfienda.
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Crimson Slaughter ne moze da ima Nekrone kao saveznike, moze samo obicne CSM. Pise im u dataslate-u. Mada te to ne pogadja previse, umesto toga das lordovima po jedan lightning claw da dobiju +1 napad.
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U Srbiji, ako se ne varam, ima ukupno 1 maulerfiend koji predstavlja chaos dwarf nesto :D.

120 funti samo za to, plus 3 cuda koja treba obojiti :D.

Moguce je da sada ona lista sa 2 demon princa + demon princevima iz demonskog kodeksa moze da radi.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

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ZergLord wrote:Crimson Slaughter ne moze da ima Nekrone kao saveznike, moze samo obicne CSM. Pise im u dataslate-u. Mada te to ne pogadja previse, umesto toga das lordovima po jedan lightning claw da dobiju +1 napad.
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A Crimson Slaughter detachment can ally with a Codex: Chaos Space Marines
detachment as Battle Brothers (and vice versa).
..pretpostavljam da je ovo to na sta si mislio..? Ako je tako, onda ne mogu ni sa kim osim sa obicnim CSM..smrc. :(

Ali da, u tom sluucaju nemam save na 2+ (opet, smrc..) ali Lordovi dobiju po +1 napad ili sta im vec smislim..
Fala Zerže.. :D
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Upravo tako.

Generalni problem takve liste je sto ti za osvajanje svakog poena moras debelo da se naznojis, i generalno nemas listu koju jednostavno oduvas (kao sto, npr., tebe Tau oduva kada se pravilno sastavi). I to je ono sto se meni nije svidelo kod te liste.

Sa druge strane, ukoliko je dovoljno vezbas, mislim da verovatno sa svakom listom mozes da igras 10-10, sto nije los izbor za "champion" listu (racunam da tau nece biti bas sampion liste).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Malo sam podesio zadnju listu koju sam isprobao sa Nemanjom. Zadržao sam Logana (iako je preskup), jer mi otključava da wolf guarda budu trupe (inače su elita i dele slot sa dreadnought-ima), smanjio sam malo veličinu wolf guarde i dodao trećeg dreku i samim tim deveti drop pod. Probaću da se malo više štekam sa Loganom, da ne bi davao lak warlord kill, jer i da napravim običnog Wolf Lorda sa 2+/3++, eternal warrior i sa TH, i on bi pojeo ~230 poena, što je samo 45 poena manje od Logana, koji mi daje da su ova bratija trupe i još ponešto.

HQ
Logan Grimnar

ELITES
-Dreadnought (DCCW/HF, Multi-Melta), Drop Pod
-Dreadnought (DCCW/HF, Multi-Melta), Drop Pod
-Dreadnought (DCCW/HF, Multi-Melta), Drop Pod

TROOPS
-Wolf Guard x 6 (5 x Power Armor, 5 x Combi Melta/BP, 1 x TDA, 1 x PW/Combi Melta), Drop Pod
-Wolf Guard x 6 (5 x Power Armor, 5 x Combi Plasma/BP, 1 x TDA, 1 x PW/Combi Plasma) Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 10 (Meltagun x 2), Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 10 (Plasmagun x 2), Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 10 (Flamer x 2), Drop Pod

HEAVY SUPPORT
-Long Fangs x 6 (Multi-Melta x 5), Drop Pod

Varijanta 2 sa jeftinijim HQ-om. Wolf Priest ide sa onim što ostane od Wolf Guarde posle preraspoređivanja među Grey Hunterima (tj. sa unitom od 5 combi plasmi), daje im preffered enemy na unit type koji im treba za tu misiju (nema više da se poubijaju međusobno od ''Gets Hot''). Svaki unit Grey Huntera (sem Flamera) vodi Wolf Guard u TDA sa odgovarajućim Combi oružijem da tenkuje dok ne bacim keca. :roll:

HQ
Wolf Priest (Runic Armour, Wolf Tail Talisman)

ELITES
-Dreadnought (DCCW/HF, Multi-Melta), Drop Pod
-Dreadnought (DCCW/HF, Multi-Melta), Drop Pod
-Wolf Guard x 10 (4 x Power Armor, 4 x Combi-Plasma/BP, 3 x TDA, 3 x PF/Combi Plasma,3 x TDA, 3 x PW/Combi-Melta)*, Drop Pod

TROOPS
-Grey Hunters x 8 (Meltagun, Wolf Standard) +1 Wolf Guard sa Combi-Meltom/PW u TDA, Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 8 (Meltagun, Wolf Standard) +1 Wolf Guard sa Combi-Meltom/PW u TDA, Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 8 (Meltagun, Wolf Standard) +1 Wolf Guard sa Combi-Meltom/PW u TDA, Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 8 (Plasmagun, Wolf Standard)+1 Wolf Guard sa Combi-Plasmom/PF u TDA, Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 8 (Plasmagun, Wolf Standard)+1 Wolf Guard sa Combi-Plasmom/PF u TDA, Drop Pod
-Grey Hunters x 10 (Flamer x 2, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod

Probaću obe varijante ovih dana, slobodno raspalite sa mišljenjima i komentarima. :)
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Da bi ti se Logan isplatio mislim da bi trebao da imas vise od 12 Wolf Guardista..pokusaj da umesto Long Fangova recimo, ubacis jos WG sa combi-weaponima, ili tako nesto..
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Realno je tako nego i dalje gledam da se zadržim koliko toliko u okviru modela koje imam. :) Probaćemo svakako. :)
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Novi lord chaosa koji ima dosta dobar utility Chaos Lord- Sigil, Daemonheart, Disc of Tzeentch, MoT, Lightning claws, Power Fist, slaughter horns :D
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
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I ne moze da ima ally armiju.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Sto se ETC-a tice FAQ ovano ce biti da svi suplementi prate pravila main knjige kao sto je i normalno :D
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Evo liste sa kojom sam igrao protiv Duleta SW :

heral khorna, greater gift, jugernaut
heral tzinca, na discu, lv3
heral tzinca, na discu, lv3
heral tzinca, na discu, lv3, sa knjigom
2*11 horora
nurglinzi 3 komada
9 screamera
20 kucica

Allies
Tigurius
4 centuriona
5 scouta

Lista koju sam juce vodio protiv Ote :

heral khorna, greater gift, jugernaut
heral tzinca, na discu, lv3
heral tzinca, na discu, lv3
heral tzinca, na discu, lv3, sa knjigom
10 horora
2* nurglinzi 3 komada
8 screamera
15 kucica
2* soul grinder tzinca , jedan sa flamerom

allies

Black legion CSM
Sorecerer sa last memory na bike-u i spell familiar
5 spawnova nurgla
10 kultista

Komentari neka pocnu :D, ono sto sam ja uocio je da mi 10 kultista lako gine i da mi je bolje 5 marinaca haosa da ubacim ( pogotovu ako bi mogao u rhinu nekako da naguram .
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Problem koji sada postoji sa heraldima u screamer unitu je sto ne mozes 2 ista spella da bacis po krugu.
Generalno mislim da ti je bolje da imas 2+ inv save sa rr nego da pravis neke kombinacije koje mozda negde nesto rade. 2+ inv save je 2+ inv save.
10 kultista ti je 50 poena. 5 marinaca je 75 ako se ne varam, kad su goli. Ako dodas rhinoa, to vrlo brzo naraste na podosta kultista ;). I jedno i drugo ima svoje prednosti.
Lista sa CSM kao ally ti ne donese nista novo bitno, sto demoni vec sami po sebi nemaju u nekom obliku.
Meni se kod liste sa Tiguriusom ne dopada to sto ti zavisis od toga da dobijes gate of infinitiy. Sto moze da se desi i da ne dobijes, a to je onda puno poena koji ne rade bas puno toga. Plus, Nemanjina lista je tu mnogo bolja, jer on u tom unitu ima veci broj cika sa force oruzjem.
Ja bih ili izbegavao sve vrste neleteceg oklopa ili isao bas bas na oklope.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Problem koji sada postoji sa heraldima u screamer unitu je sto ne mozes 2 ista spella da bacis po krugu.
Po ETC mozes. :roll:
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
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Dule ti je odgovorio na prvi komentar.
Dzon Vejn wrote:Generalno mislim da ti je bolje da imas 2+ inv save sa rr nego da pravis neke kombinacije koje mozda negde nesto rade. 2+ inv save je 2+ inv save.
Ne razumem na sta mislis ?

Za kultiste pazi jako tesko prezive ista bilo ih 10 ili 20, a ako biram 20 kultista ili rhino i 5 marinaca ja sam za drugu varijantu :wink:

CSM mi donose fearless, e sad zasto je to bitno pa zato sto ne prolazim raspadanje nego moras da ih ubijes ili ti vezu nesto, drugo mag ide sa njima i zasticen je prilicno dobro, plus rola na telepati 3 magije, plus ima vristanje plus ima sunburst ( koji ima opasan potencijal ), plus ima spell familijara te stoga mnogo mi manje kockica treba da bacim magiju te imam vise toga sto protivnik mora da dispeluje.

Sto se tigurijusa tice, ja mu nisam ni rolao na GoI vec na telepati, imaju domet 24 inca sto je dosta i mv 6 sto znaci da pokrivaju 36 inca od drugog poteza a ne daju kp jer mogu da ih stitim kucicima i screamerima, a sta pogledaju ubiju. I to je jedan jako dobar star samo odrziv. uzmu 5-6 kp a ne daju nista i dodaju mi pucanje u listu.
Dzon Vejn wrote:a bih ili izbegavao sve vrste neleteceg oklopa ili isao bas bas na oklope.
I daj reci mi sta ovo znaci tj. na sta se odnosi?

P.S. Uzmi u obzir da template i blast oruzija pogadjaju flajere po etc-u i da su sve KP. Ja pokusavam da napravim 2-3 stara koji nece dati poene a da ih ne vrate ;)
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Simpaticni ovi sa ETC-a... :D. Mogli su jednostavnije da kazu da igramo 6. ediciju :D.

Elem, ranije si imao onaj combo sa exalted itemom koji ti daje +2 na inv save ako rolas 3+, i fateweavera koji ti daje re-roll te kockice. I divination spell koji ti daje 4+ inv, i onaj drugi koji ti daje reroll (tako da si prakticno uvek imao 2+ inv sa rr). Tako imas 2+ inv sa re-roll. Ako izbacis to iz liste, imas jink + verovatno negde mozes neki shroud da nakacis ili tako nesto. Dodjes ti opet do 2+, ali COVER a ne INV save. Sto je velika razlika (mislim da ce sve ozbiljne armije na ETC imati nacin da ti ukinu cover save, a inv imas pa imas).

Slazem se za kultiste, samo ti kazem - njihova prednost je cena od 50 poena (pa ih ubacis ako ti je frka sa poenima), a cena 5 marinaca sa rhinom je ~120 poena, sto je blizu 30 kultista (koji u tvom slucaju i dalje nisu fearless).

Tigurius ti radi sve sto i CSM, samo bolje, to sam hteo da kazem - mislim da imas bolje izbore za ally od CSM-a (plus, ako u timu bude CSM+D, ne moze i D+CSM). A i dalje mi se ne svidja Tigurius bez gate of infinity :D (mada na ETC okruzenju, gde biras protivnike, postaje znatno znatno bolji). Mislim da puno toga moze da ga unisti ili neutralise kada je bez gate-a. To ne znaci da je los, samo bih ja imao verovatno druge izbore.

A za oklop - mislim da liste koje imaju po 1-2 oklopljene stvari nisu dobre. Ako ides na oklop, uzmes sve oklopljeno. Ako igras bez oklopa, ne uzmes ni 1 oklop. Jeste umiranje istog sada otezano sa novom tabelom (7+ destroyed), ali i dalje pruzas nekome sansu za lak first blood uz jedan jedini lucky shot. Opet, moje licno misljenje. Ukoliko templatei sada gadjaju flajere, tim gore :D.

Popodne cu znati koji od 2 dana dolazim (ili oba), pa cemo pricati uzivo.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja u ovoj listi imam 2+ inv na scremerima i 3+ na kucicima ili obnuto ;) A SG 4+ inv sa re roll 1, nisi video kako radi :P

Sto se tice rhina, pa ne daje lak KP, zato sto pocne u rezervi, pa onda dok dodje ja sam sigurno napravio FB :D a daje mi dodatni KP ali i dodatni obj sec, sa dva SG koji DS na obj to znaci da drzim bar 3 obj .

Tigurijus radi kao steam tenk u fantaziju on sa svojim junitom odsece deo table ( tako ja to zamisljam ).

CSM + Demon je slabija varijanta od Demon + CSM po meni ali videcemo ko bude imao bolju listu i vise uspeha ( kao u pm-u).

Ja jos moram dosta da naucim sa ovom listom, ali je dosta versatilna moze da pocne na tabli ili da sve DS u drugom potezu i da pritom ne sketeruje i pravi blob od bar 4+ inv na sve jedinice, i ti imas turn pucanja da ih resis sto ne mozes a dosta njih izadje lako iz combata ili im cak odgovara da budu dva kruga u kombatu :D

Ajde daj ti tu listu sto si spremio da je vidimo
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Pa pisao sam vec okvirno:
ahriman
demon princ
35 kultista (sa ahrimanom)
jos kultista ili 5 csm u rhinou
3 obliteratora nurgle

lord of change, level 3, 2 greater rewarda, 1 minor (staff)
dp, level 3, armor, krila, 2 greater rewarda, 1 minor (staff)
11 horora
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Vodi racuna da svi BL uniti moraju da uzmu Veterans of the Long War ako mogu.
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Eldarska lista koja jebe mamu :

1 Autarch - Banshee mask 75

5 Fire Dragons 110
5 Fire Dragons 110
5 Fire Dragons 110
3 Wave Serpent + Scatter + Holo 405

5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Dire Avengers 65
3 Wave Serpent Shu + Scatter + Holo 435

2 Wraithknights 480

= 1850

ILI


1 Autarch 70

5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Dire Avengers 65
5 Wave Serpent Shu + Scatter + Holo 725

3 Wraith Knight 720
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Kako stvari stoje ja cu voditi Demone / SM

Herald khorna LG i GG

Herald Tzinca lv3,disc,EG
Herald Tzinca lv3,disc, locus
Herald Tzinca lv3,disc

9 screamera
15 kucica
2*10horora
2*3 nurglinga

SM
Tigurius
4 centuriona sa grav cannon
5 scouta sa cammo
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Sad jos samo da nadjes neku zajebanu Nekronsku listu.. :D
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To ti vidi sa Suticem ;)
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Telion wrote:Sad jos samo da nadjes neku zajebanu Nekronsku listu.. :D
Zasto ne bi vodio nesto kao Luka prosle godine?

2 destroyer lorda sa scythe i mindshacle
3x6 wraithova
4x5 warriora u night scyte
3 barze

Ja mislim da je ta lista jako dobra sada - probaj je ;)
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Mislim da mi trebaju malo jace trupe sada, ili makar jedna jaca trupa za pocetak partije.
Probacu ovo sledeci put:
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Jedina izmena koju bi ja probao jeste da probas da ubacis jos jednu barzu a smanjis broj tih warriora recimo ? Ali probaj prvo tu, ja se vodim time da te trupe ti nece drzati bilo ih 15 ili 5 ako neko hoce da ih ubije ali je ghost ark dodatni obj sec O:)
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