Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

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Akamas wrote:Posle prve bitke (i strasnog poraza) zeljan sam da dodjem u petak za drug cas ili trening (ukljucujuci za mene)
Verovatno Vlada ce doci, dovecu Rimljane, ali ako drugi igraci su zainteresovani mozemo postaviti 2 stola (ili podeliti komandovanja), vazno je da uhodamo pravila
Meni odgovara od 18 sati do kraja.

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Ja bih rado došao da vidim kako izgleda taj sistem. Mnogo voilm antičke bitke :) Vidimo se u petak.
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Evo nekih armi lista, koje su ranije stajale na zvanicnom sajtu kao primer: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/46129322/Listes_exemple.pdf
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Doci cu i ja, na kratko, samo da uslikam army liste da mogu da ih prevedem, i da donesem FoG knjige.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Danasnje okupljanje je ovako izgledalo:

Gomila figurica magnetom zalepljena za transport:
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Postavka rimljani VS kartaginjani:
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Gospodin Pascalov izum za rolanje kockice, vrlo lepo se uklapa uz igru :D :
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Borbena linija:
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Closeup coveculjaka:
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Slonovi:
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masa 1:
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masa 2:
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masa 3:
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a za to vreme na susednom stolu pucaju neki battleshipovi:
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edit: a evo i kako to sve moze da izgleda, preuzeto sa drugog foruma:
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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Inace sto se tice same igre, ne bi bilo lose da ljudi jave i da li su zainteresovani za igranje, sa kojim armija, koji periodi, itd.

Ja sam se danas jos malo raspitao oko narucivanja, i koliko sam saznao, ukrajinske firme, a to ce reci orion, caesar (nije ukrajinski ali vazi isto), strelets, red box, imaju pravilo da moze da se poruci kad god, stize relativno brzo i moze se poruciti i po 1 box. Zvezda je dogovorljive prirode, mada koliko sam video, tu se u principu ceka da se skupi para za porudzbinu (sledeca treba da ide krajem oktobra, ali kontam da ako bih mu poslao mail da trebaju armije za vise ljudi, da bi mozda mogli i da ubrzamo), i moguce je razno dogovaranje. Revell ide preko dexy co, sto ce reci zaboravite na njega za sada. Italeri moze da se poruci, ali mora barem 10 istih kutija neko da uzme odjednom, jer on mora da poruci valjda 30, i to onda ko zna kad ce se prodati (sa druge strane, zvezda ima dobar broj italerijevih kalupa, identicnih). Ostale firme mi nisu trebale pa nisam ni pitao. Ali moze se sve saznati. Lager im nije neki, tako da bi verovatno morali da narucujemo, ali kontam da bi za veliku porudzbinu verovatno mogli da se cenkamo malo oko nekog popusta (mada je i ovako zaista jeftino, jer ti za pocetnu armiju treba oko 20 evra, a za neke ultra velike armije full ti treba ispod 100 evra da skupis sve sve, po ADG pravilima - FoG treba malo vise para za full armije, ali je osnova manje-vise ista).

Sto se tice trenutnih igraca, koliko sam razumeo, to su samo Vlada i Paskal. Ota ima armiju za Kartaginu. I oni imaju 15mm figure. Koje se mogu prilicno lako prilagoditi 25mm skali (samo se dole magnetima prikace veca postolja). Ima vec sada nekoliko novih zainteresovanih (Nikola, ja, Nebojsa, a vidim da su se i jos neki ljudi zainteresovali onako uopsteno). Mi (novi) bismo uzimali plasticne 1:72 figure, iz vise razloga (nema guljenja metala, vece su, pa se moze ponesto lepo i ofarbati, plastika je laka za transport, znatno je jeftinije, itd.). Koliko sam razumeo Vladu, i on bi hteo neke plasticne minijature, a Paskal bi mozda nesto uzeo ako bi se hobi malo razvio u smislu broja ljudi.

Sto se tice sistema, FoG i ADG su u potpunosti kompatibilni u svakom smislu - iste su dimenzije postolja, army liste su prilicno slicne (koliko sam primetio na ovih par koje sam gledao, samo u FoG za full armiju treba malo vise figure, te para). FoG trenutno imate u klubu nekih 10ak knjiga, na engleskom. ADG je u procesu prevodjenja na srpski, Pascal ce mi poslati ono sto ima za sada, pa cu ja to malo jezicki srediti. Takodje, u kontaktu sam sa ljudima koji su pravili ADG, i koliko sam za sada video, oni vec imaju neki prevod za engleski, koji je jos valjda pod proof-readingom.

Sto se tice perioda, pokriveni su svi periodi od biblijskih na dalje. Armije koje mene za sada zanimaju su englezi iz stogodisnjeg rata (1300-1400), i vizantici (950-1050). Nikola bi verovatno uzeo ruse za period 1300-1400 za pocetak. Ne znam za ostale, ali znam da trenutni igraci imaju na raspolaganju rimljane, kartaginu, vikinge, slovene. Nebojsa je jos neodlucan, ali poznavajuci njega, to je nesto sto ima puno konjice :D. Probacu da ukljucim jos nekoliko igraca, ali bi svakako dobrodoslo da se prijave potencijalno zainteresovani, kako bi i videli kolika moze biti pocetna baza igraca, a i kako bi znali kolika bi mogla da bude pocetna narudzbina (sto bi verovatno moglo da utice na ubrzavanje narudzbine i mozda eventualno i na cenu).

Posebno zgodno kod medieval perioda je sto ima nekoliko kompanija koje proizvode figure pod nazivom "medieval" pa onda "nesto" - primera radi "medieval crossbows" ili "medieval levy". Te figure se mogu iskoristiti prakticno za bilo koju vojsku (samo se drugacije boje).

Sto se tice army lista, Pascal vec ima dosta toga prevedenog na srpski. Ja sam danas dosao u posed svih listi na francuskom i videcu da prevedem sto vise sto pre (za FoG vec imate u klubu neke, ne sve liste, ali mislim da Ota ima jos toga). Ako nekoga zanima neka konkretna lista, mogu da dam tome prioritet (bukvalno posle 3 prevedene liste u google translate, mozete i sasvim sami da prevodite).

Potrudicu se da ovih dana ofarbam i ponekog gala, cisto da vidite kako mogu da izgledaju figure u 1:72.

Toliko od mene za sada, a voleo bih da vidim i jos nekih komentara ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

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Jel ima pravila za Aleksandrove epigone ili helenisticka kraljevstva?
U jednog Bocu, mi verujemo!
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Ima za skoro sve vojske od 2000 pre hirsta, (egipat, sumer, stara indija, stara kina) do masivne pojave vatrene oruzije (oko 1550)
A ima od istoka (japan, koreja, kampucija, tibet) do zapada i cak dalje (Inka Aztek, Maja)
ima takodje Etiopija i mozda Sudana ili nesto slicno u Africi.
Eskimi jok :(
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Ista pravila vaze za sve periode. Tako da pravila svakako imaju.

Za konkretno taj period oko Aleksandra i oko Grka imam sledece liste (imam ja sve liste koje postoje, ali nisu sve sredjene u lepom elektronskom formatu):
ALEXANDRE MACEDONIEN 355 – 330 BC
ALEXANDRE LE GRAND 330 – 320 BC (ima prevedeno na srpski)
PYRRHUS 300 – 272 av JC
GRECS CLASSIQUES 680 – 275 av JC
GRECS HELLENISTIQUES 275 – 146 av JC

reci koja te konkretno zanima, prevescu bilo koju koja ti treba. I naravno, posalji mi mail adresu na PM, da mogu da ti prosledim to.

Kompletan spisak armija mozete videti ovde:
http://www.artdelaguerre.fr/armees.php

Opet, sve armije imam, samo nisu sve u lepom elektronskom formatu i / ili na srpskom. Kazete koja vam se lista svidja, ja prevedem, sredim i posaljem na mail.

Za FoG mi nedostaje nekoliko knjiga (mozete videti u klubu sta fali), ali mislim da tu Ota moze da pripomogne? Provericu kasnije da li imam za grke FoG.

Kao sto vec rekoh, sistemi su u potpunosti kompatibilni, a razlike u sklapanju armija su male (ugalvnom su liste iste / vrlo slicne).

edit: klasicne vojske, kao sto su grci, rimljani, egipcani, isl., su mozda najbolje za skupljanje, jer ima najveci izbor minijatura.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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A evo i jos nekih lepih armija:

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That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ovo moze da bude interesantno, pogotovo sto ima opcije i za kampanju
http://www.artdelaguerre.fr/download/Campagne_AdG.pdf

Mada pravila na francuskom ali ako imamo prevod onda moze i ok da bude...

btw Jel mogu ravnopravno da igraju 2 armije iz razlicitih perioda?

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Jel mozes da mi posaljes sledece liste - da probamo taj Google translate
241 - Polonais Médiévaux
243 - Empire Serbe
203 - Polonais féodaux
190 - Ordre de St Jean
184 - Byzantins Comnène
157 - Serbo-croates
125 - Byzantins Justinien
84 - Romains Haut Empire
opsidiannight wrote:Nema svrhe da ga osudujemo sto prodaje figure jebo je u stisci.

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Da, kampanja deluje jako zanimljivo.

Mogu da igraju bilo koje dve armije, sve su "ravnopravne".

@Dzon
Od onoga sto sam video na Zveztinom sajtu najzanimljivije mi (za sada) deluje zlatna horda. Uzimao bih i neke "genericke" konjanike/pesadince koji bih uklopio u neku armiju po potrebi. Tako da, ja se prijavljujem za pocetnu narudzbinu. Pogledacu jos malo pa cu izabrati vec nesto.
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@Skobra: Bice poslato nesto danas.

@svi ostali: poslao sam email M hobby-ju sa detaljima sta i kako stoje trenutno stvari, i gde cu pokusati da nam obezbedim neki popust za narucivanje. Cim dobijem odgovor na email, javicu ovde sve detalje. Zamolio sam da mi objasni i za svaku firmu ponaosob kako tacno funkcionise narucivanje, kako bi svi igraci mogli da znaju sve detalje za sve figure.

Nikola i ja cemo ici negde oko prvog oktobra, kad nam legnu plate, da porucimo nase armije. Za sada su to englezi za stogodisnji rat, i rusi za tu negde isti taj period. Mozda tu bude jos nesto za neke ranije periode.

Toliko za sada, pisem kad budem imao vise informacija.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Danas sam uradio fast painted gala (kad kazem fast, stvarno mislim ultra fast):

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Prva slika je kako figure izgledaju sa nanesenim samo osnovnim bojama (namerno sam izabrao zutu za pantalone, zato sto ona sa ultra fast metodom izgleda najruznije, cisto da bi se stekao utisak sta je to "najlosije" sto se moze dobiti za "najmanje" vremena).

Druge dve slike su kad se sve to umoci u ink.

Zadnja slika je kad se sve to predje sa jos jednim slojem vise drybrusha nego highlighta (osim plocica na stomaku i malo crvene na stitu, sve ostalo je bilo drybrush).

Ultra ultra brzo se farba. Sa vise ulozenog truda, mislim da bi izgledao zaista sjajno iako je mala figura (u poredjenju sa GW), a i dalje bi oduzelo znatno manje vremena da se oboji.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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U utorak 18 nova partija (Vikinzi protiva Rima )
Prisutni ce moci da vode deo vojske (svaka vojska ima tri korpus)

Ako ima vise igraca razmisljam takodje da donesem kutiju "generiscke" vojske (rim, kartag, grci) da bi se postavio trening sto za vezbanje pravila

Mogu da posaljem trenutni tekst prevoda.

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Usaglasavanje Paskalovog prevoda na srpski je u toku, i ocekujemo da ce uskoro biti dostupna znatno citljivija i jasnija verzija pravila.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Molio bih Vas da za ovaj vikend 29.-30. ne zakazujete nikakve bitke jer se u klubu igra 40k turnir i svi stolovi su zauzeti ceo dan.

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STATUS UPDATE:
Posto na e-mail nisam uspeo da dobijem odgovor (bio bih neiskren kada bih rekao da sam ocekivao da cu dobiti odgovor), bio sam uporan pa sam ponovo potrosio nesto svojih impulsa. I pored moje zustre borbe da dobijem potpune informacije, ljubazni i nadasve izuzetno poslovni prodavac sa druge strane "zice", je uspesno odoleo svim mojim pokusajima da dobijem vise informacija, a na obostranu korist.

Elem, ono sto sam uspeo da zakljucim je sledece:
1. Kompanije koje imaju na sajtu su one od kojih i mogu da porucuju, a to su:
a) Caesar (moze pojedinacna kutija, narudzbina krece odmah)
b) Italeri (minimum 10 istih kutija da bi moglo da se poruci)
c) Orion (moze pojedinacna kutija, narudzbina krece odmah)
d) Redbox (moze pojedinacna kutija, narudzbina krece odmah)
e) Strelets (moze pojedinacna kutija, narudzbina krece odmah)
f) Revell (kako je uvoznik dexy co, moze se uzeti samo ono sto oni imaju na lageru - a nemaju nista odmah da vam kazem)
g) Zvezda (moze pojedinacna kutija, narudzbine su par puta godisnje, prva sledeca narudzbina ide krajem oktobra i stize u novembru)

Takodje saznao sam da narudzbine za Zvezdu idu okvirno 3-4 puta godisnje. Moguc je popust za vece porudzbine kao i za prednarudzbinu, koji se krece od 10% na gore, u zavisnosti od kolicine porucene robe. Naravno, kad god se skupimo za 1500 evra :D (dakle nikad), mozemo da trazimo vanrednu narudzbinu. Placanje se uglavnom vrsi kada stigne roba, mada je moguce da nekad trazi neki mali deo kao avans, ako mu se ucini da je porudzbina "cudna".

HaT figure se ne mogu poruciti, nazalost. A ako se ne varam, sve ono sto se ne nalazi na ovom gore (skromnom) spisku, takodje nije moguce poruciti. Objasnio mi je i da je vecina kompanija sa plastic soldier review zatvorena, tako da to mozemo i da ne gledamo slobodno.

Elem, Nikola i ja idemo negde 1. - 2. oktobra tamo. Tada cu (ponovo) pokusati da budem uporan i da dobijem jos detalja (makar za sve one firme koje se nalaze kod njega na sajtu, da imamo sve potpune informacije). I da narucimo sta nam treba.

Ako ima jos zainteresovanih, mozemo otici zajedno tamo, pa da posaljemo svi zajedno porudzbinu, kako bi dobili sto veci popust. Nikola i ja se trenutno premisljamo da li cemo uzeti rimljane i grke ili engleze i ruse. Nebojsa je zainteresovan za persijance. Cim donesem konacnu odluku, stavicu ovde i spisak kutija koje cu poruciti za prvi put.

Da li imamo jos zainteresovanih za neke druge armije, koje armije, koje konkretno kutije, itd.? Ne bi bilo lose to da javite ukoliko ste zainteresovani, da bismo znali ko ce imati koje viskove.

PRAVILA ADG
Prosao sam kroz izvod iz pravila 1. put. Pascal je zatim usaglasio neke stvari (nije jos postigao sve da prodje). U toku je i moj drugi prolaz kroz izvod iz pravila, i sada je sve vec znatno bolje, jasnije, itd. Mozda se u petak pojavimo u klubu da zajedno prepravljamo sporne stvari koje je lakse popraviti uzivo. Ako ne bude igranja u petak, javicemo naknadno kada cemo se pojaviti.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Svratio sam juce do mhobija, i covek mi ispricao skoro sve sto i Dzonu. Caesar i jos par mogu da se naruce na komad i bilo kada, Italeri mora da porucuje po 30 kutija tako da za narudzbinu trazi bar 10 itd. Ceprkao sam posle po sajtu http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/ za ponudjene proizvodjace, i jedino mi Caesar i Zvezda deluju zadovoljavajuce po pitanju kvaliteta (i Italeri kog verovatno mogu da zaboravim). Ne kazem da od ostalih nista ne valja, ali ja nisam nasao nista da mi se svidja.

Nego, kupio sam kutiju engleskih vitezova i srednjovekovne rulje. Plan mi je da probam da ih konvertujem u srpske vitezove, postoji ta armija za adg. Englezi su jako lepo uradjeni tako da Dzone predlazem ti da ih ozbiljno uzmes u obzir, posebno sto cu ja imati dosta njihove pesadije viska. Trebace mi jos jedna kutija, tako da bih nju porucio (mada mislim da imaju jos jednu u mhobiju na lageru). Donecu ih u klub sledecom prilikom, verovatno utorak.

Sledeci paket koj bih uzeo je English Infantry of the 100 Years War. Ima dosta pesadije strelaca, koji deluju univerzalno za taj period i sire pa bih ih koristio kako za Srbe tako i za neke druge potencijalne armije. Opet, tu bi mi ostalo dosta pesadije viska. Porucio bih verovatno dve kutije.

Dalje, uzeo bih jos kutiju dve srednjovekovne rulje, ima par figura koje lepo mogu da ukrase druge jedinice, a vecina ostalih se da negde iskoristiti ili razmeniti. Verovatno bi ih dosta iskoristio za kopljase.

Sledeci su Teutonic Knights. Srbi imaju pravo na dve jedinice stranih placenika, tako da bih iz te kutije iskoristio 6 konjanika, ostalo je visak. (inace italerijev set koji pakuje i zvezda)

Za laku konjicu imam vec kutiju skitskih konjanika. Jes da su potpuno drugi period i oprema, al za prvu pomoc dok ne nadjem nesto bolje.

Dakle, moj spisak za narudzbinu (za sada) je:
-English Knights of the 100 Years War x 1
-English Infantry of the 100 Years War x 2
-Medieval Peasant Army x 2
-Teutonic Knights x 1

sve od Zvezde. Verovatno ce se jos malo izmeniti do pon-uto, kad bolje proucim armi listu.

Javite kad se dogovorite, isao bih i ja do mhobija.
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Rece mi on: pa jel si ti bio pre neki dan? Ja reko nisam, bio sam pre par nedelja. Pa bio je neki momak i postavljao mi je identicna pitanja kao i ti :D.

Ja se trenutno premisljam da li da burazer i ja uzmemo englesku i rusiju, ili grke i rimljane. Prednost ove druge opcije je sto su sve opcije pokrivene figurama, takoreci no brainer choice.

Kako ja volim da imam sve moguce opcije pokrivene, ako bih se opredelio za engleze, to bi bilo 4 kutije zvezdine engleske pesadije za 100 years war, 3 kutije konjanika za 100 yw, 1 kutija strelets crossbowmena, 1 kutija strelets medieval levy (2), 1 kutija medieval peasants i falilo bi mi nesto za laku konjicu (idealni bi mi bili revell anglo-saxons, ali avaj, revell se ne moze nabaviti). Teutonic knights vec imam, tako da bi i njih iskoristio za nesto (imam negde tacan spisak sta je sta). Ako bi bili grci, tu bi bilo najverovatnije 1 kutija aleksandrovih slonova, 3 kutije grcke konjice, 4 kutije falangi i nesto od sledece 2 opcije: ili 7 kutija grcke pesadije ili 4 kutije i 2 kutije spartanaca.

A mozda se opametim, pa razmislim o tome da uzmem razumne kolicine za obe vojske, u kom slucaju bih mozda mogao da uzmem i jedno i drugo po malo. U svakom slucaju javim pre 1. spisak sta sam sve tacno odlucio da uzmem u prvoj turi.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Paskal i ja cemo danas biti u klubu, da doterujemo pravila. Paskal ce poneti i 2 vojske, ako bude zainteresovanih da probaju sistem.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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ako se već odlučuješ za 1/72 probaj Hat
kvalitet zna da varira i generalno je lošiji od Zvezde
njegova prednost je mnogo veći izbor pogotovo kada su Rim i raniji periodi u pitanju

ne znam da li može i kako da se nabavi u M-Hobiju
ja sam ove stvari mahom naručivao on-line
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Naravno da ne moze :D. Moze samo ono sto sam naveo negde iznad. Mada se meni recimo cak vise svidjaju zvezdini grci nego HaT.

Provericu sajtove svih tih firmi da vidim da li imamo neke distributere u Srbiji.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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ovaj sajt šalje u Srbiju
http://www.modelsforsale.com/

ma Zvezdi nema ravnih u kvalitetu izrade
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Strelets i Caesar imaju veoma kvalitetne figure 1/72.
Samo se teško nalaze.
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Caesar da
Strelets bogami baš i ne, bar po mom mišljenju

elem, ovo je najbolji sajt za recenziju i listing 1/72 figura

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Index.aspx
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Pomenut je vec taj sajt na ovoj temi za reviews. A ovaj drugi je dosta skuplji od M Hobby (npr. English Infantry of the 100 years war je 6.29 funti plus postarina, dok je u M Hobby 600 kinti ako nemas nikakve popuste (kako isti funkcionisu saznacemo u ponedeljak)). Mada opet - za ono sto nema da se nadje kod nas, super dodje.

Caesar i Strelets mogu da se naruce u M Hobby.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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tek sad vidim da su se ljudi zapalili za 1/72 figure.ja imam gomilu, različiti periodi i vojske(nažalost mnogo neofarbanog), kao i pravila i priličan broj listi za FoG i FoG renesans.naravno rado bih probao :)
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Bicemo danas u klubu, doduse sa ADG pravilima ;). FoG jos nisam stigao da procitam, ali se nadam da ce ta epska nepravda biti ispravljena tokom vikenda, pa cu moci da uporedim jedna i druga.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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od koliko sati?
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i kad smo već kod toga, ima li neko zainteresovan da farba armije?to sam već pitao na marketu,ali nije bilo odziva :mrgreen:
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Nemanja wrote:i kad smo već kod toga, ima li neko zainteresovan da farba armije?to sam već pitao na marketu,ali nije bilo odziva :mrgreen:
Čempres? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Duc d' Elchingen wrote:od koliko sati?
18h.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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eto mene ako budem dovoljno dokon
što je vrlo verovatno
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Duc d' Elchingen wrote:
Nemanja wrote:i kad smo već kod toga, ima li neko zainteresovan da farba armije?to sam već pitao na marketu,ali nije bilo odziva :mrgreen:
Čempres? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:applause: :lol: :lol: :lol:
mučenik će sanjati rusku vojsku još 15 god.
...ali zadatak ostaje nepromenjen-razmera 1/1 :D
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da, i ja sam struja koja naginje ka FOG-u :). Mada kontam da su ista postolja pa moze da se proba i jedno i drugo. Samo da burazer odluci sta hoce za prvu vojsku, barem u +/- 500 godina pa da i ja uzmem nesto iz tog vremena.
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Odlucio sam da cu sigurno uzeti grke, vise su mi se svideli i modeli i pravila i opcije i sve za njih (i mogu da igram vise listi sa njima, itd., itd.).

Najverovatnija opcija je da cu, pored grka, uzeti i nesto malo engleza u prvom trenutku (dovoljno za neku minimalnu armiju uz neke minimalne izmene). edit: ipak je ovde investiranje u minimalnu armiju 20 evra a ne 500 kao u WH ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Evo i jos jednog zanimljivog linka:

http://www.essexminiatures.co.uk/

imaju svasta i za 15mm i za 25mm. Figure su, blago receno, odvratno uradjene, ali je zgodna stvar sto mozete da vidite kako razne stvari trebaju da izgledaju. Sto olaksava prepoznavanje boxova na plastic soldier review.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Essex figirne sigurno nisu odavno najlepse sto postoji,
ali nisu skupe, vrlo su raznovrsne, ima i srpske figure (sredni vek).

A video sta moze uraditi s njim dobar "maestor" , nije za bacanje
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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

Post by Dzon Vejn »

Samo podsetnik - Nikola i ja idemo pocetkom nedelje do M Hobby da porucimo. Ako ima jos zainteresovanih, smislite se danas-sutra sta zelite. Ako odemo zajedno da stavimo jednu vecu porudzbinu, predpostavljam da cemo dobiti i veci popust.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
rvlada
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Re: Ratna igra za antiku i srednju vek 15 ili 25 mm

Post by rvlada »

Danas ne mogu da stignem, ali ako idete sutra il posle javi kad i gde.
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