So as yet another High Elf thread is moved to General Fantasy discussion, as it spirals out of control off topic, here, by way of a fresh start, is everything we have got so far on High Elves.
Lets try and keep this on on topic (and in the rumour section!) and I will try and keep this first page up to date with any new (confirmed) information as it becomes available.
High Elf release: November: Book and Army Box set.
THE BOOK : written by Adam Troke (I presume with input from the rest of the games developers).
Intrigue at court is gone.
Elves strike first. (Army rule).
Archers can fire in two ranks.
Special Characters include (There could be more but I have not heard it) :
Tyrion, Teclis, Eltharion and Alith Anar as Lords
Korhil and Caradryan (Captain of the Phoenix Guard) as Heroes.
There will be three other ‘vanilla’/generic Hero options. (So a new Character type!)
There will be three types of Dragon in the book.
THE MINIS
Plastic kits: Mostly by Martin Footit.
Characters/Heroes/Commanders (Makes 2 characters one mounted and one on foot).
High Elf Mages (Makes two mages one mounted and one on foot).
Plastic Dragon kit. (75Hastings69 posted this on warseer months ago. Flying horizontally like the old Dragon Masters dragon (for those who remember that far back). It will come with various rider options to represent different character options who can ride it.
Spearmen. (I do not think this includes option for Lothern Sea Guard or armoured archers but possibly able to customise these to represent different provinces).
High Elf Cavalry Plastics. (These were rumoured months ago by 75Hastings69 but I have heard nothing).
Plastic Chariot kit with option of Lion steeds. (Dave Thomas)
Metal
Alith Anar. (Gary Morley).
Possibly a new eagle.
Lothern Sea guard including a Sea guard Captain/Commander with a Sea hawk on his wrist and a standard bearer with a carved wooden leg. The art work for the seaguard is a lot more ‘gritty’ than the old look. (More ‘sea dog’ than Sea Elf!) I don’t know if these are part of a bigger ‘redo’ of the Sea Guard models or not.
High Elf Rumors
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O ne. Cini mi se da ce swordmsteri odnosti prevagu u partijama sirom sveta. Pa sta cu sad, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... 
Salu na stranu, svordmasteri kostaju ko svetog petra kajgana i niko ih ne vodi - i dalje se krecu 5-10 i imaju masne bokove.
Salu na stranu, svordmasteri kostaju ko svetog petra kajgana i niko ih ne vodi - i dalje se krecu 5-10 i imaju masne bokove.
Pamti, pa vrati...
Ignorance is bliss.
Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Ignorance is bliss.
Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Swordamsteri i njihovi problemi:
-Protivnik bira sta ce se tuci sa njima.
-Protivnik bira gde ce se tuci sa njima ako ima neko ozbiljnije pucanje [buduci da momci koji stizu u 3 krugu i nisu prioritet]
-Blokom pesadije je tesko manevrisati tj stititi od udarca po boku. Ako ovi decaci pretrpe charge bilo koje ozbiljnije jedinice to je gotovo garantovan brejk. [elfovi ce imati npr 3 reda u napadu ludila - to je 3 napada snage 5 na boku, no big deal]
-uvek postoji i ovaj problem - return of investment. Dovoljno je npr da ih neka jedinica od 30-ak poena usmeri ka nekom cosku ili difficult terenu pa da ovi momci nikada ne otplate svoje ucesce u bitci. S tim da u poslednjim krugovima protivnik i dalje moze na jedinici koja ima t3 da planira uzimanje nekih poena.
-Protivnik bira sta ce se tuci sa njima.
-Protivnik bira gde ce se tuci sa njima ako ima neko ozbiljnije pucanje [buduci da momci koji stizu u 3 krugu i nisu prioritet]
-Blokom pesadije je tesko manevrisati tj stititi od udarca po boku. Ako ovi decaci pretrpe charge bilo koje ozbiljnije jedinice to je gotovo garantovan brejk. [elfovi ce imati npr 3 reda u napadu ludila - to je 3 napada snage 5 na boku, no big deal]
-uvek postoji i ovaj problem - return of investment. Dovoljno je npr da ih neka jedinica od 30-ak poena usmeri ka nekom cosku ili difficult terenu pa da ovi momci nikada ne otplate svoje ucesce u bitci. S tim da u poslednjim krugovima protivnik i dalje moze na jedinici koja ima t3 da planira uzimanje nekih poena.
Možda i dobiješ bok pod uslovom da elf ne izvede konjicu sa sejvom na 1 (ako je tačno da dobijaju full plate) i čardžom od 16 inči ili onu lakšu sa čardžom od 18 plus što će sigurno dobiti i neku unbreakable jedinicu - kažu Phoenix guard.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.
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13 poena je mnogo iz istog razloga kao i sto i grejtsvordi, ili ajron brejkeri ili on fut cozeni ne valjaju. cena je prevelika, i oni ne mogu, osim greskom, da osvoje svoje poene (~260).
Pamti, pa vrati...
Ignorance is bliss.
Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Ignorance is bliss.
Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
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ustvari najveci problem tih elfova je sto je to masna jedinica u poenima koja prosto privlaci na sebe strele i magiju, a sa T3 i save-om koji ce mozda biti 4+ tesko da ce neka ozbiljna kolicina istih preziveti do hth-a
Jedini nacin da oni nesto urade je da ponudis protivniku nesto jos masnije, tipa lord na zmaju koji lepo izleti na sred table pa onda biraj dal ces gadjas njega ili swordmastere, ali ni to mi nesto ne mirise na posebno dobru taktiku.
Jedini nacin da oni nesto urade je da ponudis protivniku nesto jos masnije, tipa lord na zmaju koji lepo izleti na sred table pa onda biraj dal ces gadjas njega ili swordmastere, ali ni to mi nesto ne mirise na posebno dobru taktiku.
"Narod u demokratiji ne može da pogreši. Kakva god da je odluka naroda to je odluka Boga." Vulin.
"Potrebno je da vozilo koje vrši transport ima onu ruku napred, da prebacuje... Imaju proizvođači, ja sad ne znam ko su“ Velja.
„Na Beka su pucali amateri, jednom je čak spala kapuljača“ Nesa.
"Potrebno je da vozilo koje vrši transport ima onu ruku napred, da prebacuje... Imaju proizvođači, ja sad ne znam ko su“ Velja.
„Na Beka su pucali amateri, jednom je čak spala kapuljača“ Nesa.
Jao, jos uvek se secam kako su mi ucardzovali dva rinojahaca. I izgubili kombat.No 1 wrote:Možda i dobiješ bok pod uslovom da elf ne izvede konjicu sa sejvom na 1 (ako je tačno da dobijaju full plate) i čardžom od 16 inči ili onu lakšu sa čardžom od 18 plus što će sigurno dobiti i neku unbreakable jedinicu - kažu Phoenix guard.
"There are times when destiny calls forth a people and demands an action. Now is the time. We are the people. This is our action. Charge!"
"Sanity? Worthless things like that, I would not have as long as I can remember."
"Sanity? Worthless things like that, I would not have as long as I can remember."
Ovo sam naso na http://www.asur.org.uk/ulthuan/viewtopic.php?t=18771
All 0-1 limitations are gone (like every other army)
Spearmen come with heavy armour and shield.
Archers shoot with an extra rank if they don't move.
Sea Guard are now Special, come with light armour (they fight on water after all), spear, long bow and shields. Fight in three ranks, shoot in two, the commander can take magic items and the unit can take a magic banner. Some sort of Ambush rule for them like Dwarf Miners or Beastmen.
The following HE units will be getting Ilthilmar Plate (4+ save)
Swordmasters
Phoenix Guard
Dragon Princes
White Lions
Giant Eagles and chariots are no longer 2 for 1.
Apparently Phoenix Guard will now be Unbreakable and have 2 attacks each.
Swordmasters are -1 to hit with missile weapons S5 or less. They get some special sword fighting forms as well.
Heroes can ride dragons!
All 0-1 limitations are gone (like every other army)
Spearmen come with heavy armour and shield.
Archers shoot with an extra rank if they don't move.
Sea Guard are now Special, come with light armour (they fight on water after all), spear, long bow and shields. Fight in three ranks, shoot in two, the commander can take magic items and the unit can take a magic banner. Some sort of Ambush rule for them like Dwarf Miners or Beastmen.
The following HE units will be getting Ilthilmar Plate (4+ save)
Swordmasters
Phoenix Guard
Dragon Princes
White Lions
Giant Eagles and chariots are no longer 2 for 1.
Apparently Phoenix Guard will now be Unbreakable and have 2 attacks each.
Swordmasters are -1 to hit with missile weapons S5 or less. They get some special sword fighting forms as well.
Heroes can ride dragons!
milos wrote:Ovo sam naso na http://www.asur.org.uk/ulthuan/viewtopic.php?t=18771
Some sort of Ambush rule for them like Dwarf Miners or Beastmen.
chariots are no longer 2 for 1.
some heroes can ride dragons!
1)yeah right
2)extra
3)zar to nije slucaj u nekim drugim armijama?
Ljudi na raznim forumima pominju i mogućnost da se napravi i nova leteća konjica samo sada sa zmajevima, kao i da će postojati tri vrste zmajeva, npr. mladi sa slabijim karakteristikama za ovu konjicu, jači za heroje za koje kažu da će moći da ih jašu i najjače za lordove. Naravno to su samo priče ali zvuče zanimljivo.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.
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E jes' ali nemesis crown ce da ih probudi ne znas ti... :lol: Sta zna svinja sta je dinja :lol: ... sitnicaris tu... 4+ zmaja gore-dole :lol: ... a razlika u prodaji??? na to nisi mislio, ha? :lol:
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ne nije u tome problem... trebaju nove jedinice to je ok... ali nije ok da se cene menjaju kako se menjaju... i nije ok praviti nove jedinice koje su ultra-mega-giga samo da bi se zaradilo... tako su od tenka napravili svinjariju jos u prosloj ediciji pod izgovorom:
"Da, tenk je ekstra, ali zato i ekstra kosta, pa ce ga malo ljudi kupiti"
Yeah, right... a mi smo veverice... pa su u novoj ediciji jos poboljsali tenk i omogucili da imas 2?!?...
Ako vec hoce da smisle neku novu letecu konjicu za HE, mogu da izmisle nesto kao bretoncima pegaze, pa i da zatvorimo jedno oko, ali jehaci zmajeva su stvarno katastrofa... to se kosi sa svim fluff tekstom koji su pisali godinama...
Naravno cena ce im biti ono... 20 funti komad... pogledaj samo kako se cene menjaju... minotauri su recimo bili 9 funti sada su 12... to je 50% povecanje cene... kocije 12->15 funti... 25% povecanje... verujem da ima i gorih primera koji mi nisu zapali za oko... velike su to cifre... da nemaju monopol propali bi za 2 dana sa takvom politikom...
Povrh svega, na sve to bih mogao da zatvorim oci kada im sistem ne bi bio sve losiji... recimo u ovoj 7. ediciji nije ama bas nista kvalitetno uradjeno... prakticno prepisana 6. edicija sa par nekih sitnijih prepravki...
edit: eh da, da ne zaboravim na trend: jedinice koje su u prosloj ediciji bile lose (samim tim slabije kupovane) u sledecoj su ultra dobre, i obrnuto... isto sa armijama... pogledaj DE recimo u 5. i 6. ediciji pa ces videti na sta mislim... a garantujem da ce im u 7. ediciji opet dati neka mega-fore...
"Da, tenk je ekstra, ali zato i ekstra kosta, pa ce ga malo ljudi kupiti"
Yeah, right... a mi smo veverice... pa su u novoj ediciji jos poboljsali tenk i omogucili da imas 2?!?...
Ako vec hoce da smisle neku novu letecu konjicu za HE, mogu da izmisle nesto kao bretoncima pegaze, pa i da zatvorimo jedno oko, ali jehaci zmajeva su stvarno katastrofa... to se kosi sa svim fluff tekstom koji su pisali godinama...
Naravno cena ce im biti ono... 20 funti komad... pogledaj samo kako se cene menjaju... minotauri su recimo bili 9 funti sada su 12... to je 50% povecanje cene... kocije 12->15 funti... 25% povecanje... verujem da ima i gorih primera koji mi nisu zapali za oko... velike su to cifre... da nemaju monopol propali bi za 2 dana sa takvom politikom...
Povrh svega, na sve to bih mogao da zatvorim oci kada im sistem ne bi bio sve losiji... recimo u ovoj 7. ediciji nije ama bas nista kvalitetno uradjeno... prakticno prepisana 6. edicija sa par nekih sitnijih prepravki...
edit: eh da, da ne zaboravim na trend: jedinice koje su u prosloj ediciji bile lose (samim tim slabije kupovane) u sledecoj su ultra dobre, i obrnuto... isto sa armijama... pogledaj DE recimo u 5. i 6. ediciji pa ces videti na sta mislim... a garantujem da ce im u 7. ediciji opet dati neka mega-fore...
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I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja cekam da vidim neku bitku :lol: (i da Zubor pazari drugu armiju koju ce da ofarba i proda za 30% cene :lol: :P )Duc d' Elchingen wrote:Naravoucenije:
Svi na Flames of War!
Board game-ovi rulaju... to je prava stvar... sutra idem da pokupim princess of florence, pa ce da pisem negde neki izvestaj kad se odigra neka partija... igra obecava...
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Meni su board-games manje vise OK mada nisam neki ljubitelj.Dzon Vejn wrote:Ja cekam da vidim neku bitku :lol: (i da Zubor pazari drugu armiju koju ce da ofarba i proda za 30% cene :lol: :P )Duc d' Elchingen wrote:Naravoucenije:
Svi na Flames of War!
Board game-ovi rulaju... to je prava stvar... sutra idem da pokupim princess of florence, pa ce da pisem negde neki izvestaj kad se odigra neka partija... igra obecava...
Ali osecaj kada pomeris gomilu metala 10cm unapred...
Uf.
Navedi mi jedan jogurt ili automobil kome je cena za godinu dana skocila 50%??? A veruj mi pijem jogurt svaki dan tako da znam cene :lol:
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Bezobrazni su zbog cena i cestog povecavanja cena.
Primera radi firma Front Rank koja pravi sjajne figure za istorijske periode naplacuje 28mm figuru 0,98 GBP a 40mm figuru 2,95 GBP.
Perry Miniatures, firma brace Perry koji rade za GW naplacuje svoje ubedljivo najbilje 28mm istorijske figure 6GBP za pakovanje od 6 pesaka.
GW jesu vece figure ali preteruju pogotovo kod plastike.
Primera radi firma Front Rank koja pravi sjajne figure za istorijske periode naplacuje 28mm figuru 0,98 GBP a 40mm figuru 2,95 GBP.
Perry Miniatures, firma brace Perry koji rade za GW naplacuje svoje ubedljivo najbilje 28mm istorijske figure 6GBP za pakovanje od 6 pesaka.
GW jesu vece figure ali preteruju pogotovo kod plastike.
Bogme ima :lol: ... Ovo jeste banalizovanje, i zaista ne bih voleo da prica ode na tu stranu kako je pre par godina hleb bio 3 dinara (samo ga eto nije bilo u prodavnicama... ali incae je bio 3 dinaraNo 1 wrote:Uporedi cenu jogurta od pre 5 godina i sad i cenu figura od pre 5 godina i sad, nema razlike.
)... svuda u (normalnom) svetu u svakoj industriji u kojoj postoji konkurencija, cene prate godisnju stopu inflacije u najgorem slucaju... ja se ne secam ni jedne firme (koja nema monopol u nekoj oblasti) da je povecala cenu proizdvoda za 50% i opstala na trzistu, a da pritom nije i kvalitet povecan za 50% (kao recimo u automobilskoj industriji... kada auto ubacis u bolju klasu, raste i cena... i to je ok).Da ne pricamo o tome da GW radnici imaju bedu od plate jer su to generalno klinci koji igraju WH, pa nije preterano bitno... u normalnim firmama radnici imaju 20% profita firme (mislim svi zajedno kada saberu plate, to je 20% prosecnog mesecnog profita).
I naravno, opet se vracam na to da bi sve to mozda bilo ok i da bi se mozda i zatvorilo poneko oko kada bi sistem isao na bolje...
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Sve te niske cene i svi ti fini modeli su posledica toga da još neko hoće da se probije na tržište kojim vlada GW, ali ne sekirajte se, ko god bio u njihovoj poziciji ponašaće se isto. Uostalom opstanak traži podosta ulaganja u marketing, kompanija se širi i povećava svoje troškove a ko će sve to da plati?
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.
pa naivni ljudi koje ce jedinica "dragon ridera" da kosta bar 100funti,a na stolu bar 2000poena.
Vec vidim za jedno 20-30 godina nece biti policije ili nekakvog obezbedjenja okolo vec ce svuda biti gw-vi radnici koji ce u svaku poru zivota dase umesju i da lemeju celicnim stanglama ako nemas sve njihove figure za tu armiju,ako nemas sve originalne figure za istu,ako ne zivis zivot u skladu sa njihovom idejom slobodnog trzista... :D
Vec vidim za jedno 20-30 godina nece biti policije ili nekakvog obezbedjenja okolo vec ce svuda biti gw-vi radnici koji ce u svaku poru zivota dase umesju i da lemeju celicnim stanglama ako nemas sve njihove figure za tu armiju,ako nemas sve originalne figure za istu,ako ne zivis zivot u skladu sa njihovom idejom slobodnog trzista... :D
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