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Ma firma im je samo došla u problem u koji dođu sve firme sa relativno brzom ekspanzijom (kao i države), došlo je do zasićenja tržišta, ljudi već imaju po nekoliko armija, nove fanove prvlačiš samo od mlađe populacije koja tek stasava, svi stariji su uglavnom odlučili da li hoće ili neće da se bave ovim hobijem, prodaja je verovatno znatno smanjena u odnosu na ranije godine. I sada im samo ostaje da rade sve to ne da bi zaradili enormne pare već da bi opstali.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.

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ko god bio u njihovoj poziciji ponašaće se isto.
Neosporno... imamo nekoliko primera kod nas ;)
Uostalom opstanak traži podosta ulaganja u marketing, kompanija se širi i povećava svoje troškove a ko će sve to da plati?
Povecava troskove ali povecava i trziste... ukoliko ima dobru marketing ekipu... shodno tome, novi ljudi trebaju da pokriju te dodatne troskove jer su dodatni troskovi napravljeni upravo da bi se dobili upravo ti novi ljudi... u suprotnom su ludi... sto nije iskljuceno kao mogucnost, naravno...
Ma firma im je samo došla u problem u koji dođu sve firme sa relativno brzom ekspanzijom (kao i države), došlo je do zasićenja tržišta, ljudi već imaju po nekoliko armija, nove fanove prvlačiš samo od mlađe populacije koja tek stasava, svi stariji su uglavnom odlučili da li hoće ili neće da se bave ovim hobijem, prodaja je verovatno znatno smanjena u odnosu na ranije godine. I sada im samo ostaje da rade sve to ne da bi zaradili enormne pare već da bi opstali.
Znas kako ja sam prvu figuricu kupio pre... pa mislim da ima skoro 15 godina... to znaci da je u medjuvremenu bilo 15 generacija koje su mogle da pocnu da se bave ovim hobijem... to znaci, da oni imaju redovan priliv novih igraca... a prodaja jeste smanjena ali to je posledica lose politike i loseg sistema. Evo uzecu opet sebe kao primer... idi i trazi Duletu da ti pokaze koliko smo para Nikola i ja potrosili prve godine poslovanja HS i koliko smo potrosili ove godine... ako se ne varam cifra bi trebala da bude oko 10 puta manja... mozda i vise... posledica: NECU da placam 2500 dinara istu onu kutiju koju sam placao cini mi se 1300 u pocetku... a nove armije ne kupujem, ne zato sto smatram da imam dovoljno armija (jer bih voleo da imam sve armije), vec zato sto je sistem .... pa, ima mesta napretku, da ne kazem los, pa shodno tome smatram da mi je sasvim dovoljna jedna armija...

E sad na stranu to sto smatram da je sistem los zbog bolje prodaje... to je vec moj problem... mozda jeste tako a mozda i nije, to niko ne moze da dokaze.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ajde, pa moraju nekako da finansiraju razvoj WH Online. Ako im to prodje iole priblizno kao GW, WoW, Lineage... (a znamo da ce ga naplacivati na mesecnoj bazi) onda mozda sledece godine i ne poskupe sa figurama 8)
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Kada smo Kolja, Veljko Vuna i ja uvozili figure i prodavali ih u klubu zmaj (davno to bese, ko se toga jos seca) cena je bila pristupacna, i to toliko da smo mi pristojno zaradjivali prodajuci figure po istoj ceni kao sto je bila na sajtu.

U tom periodu ljudi su se razmisljali da li da uzmu odlivak ili original jer su mogli i jedno i drugo.

Sada se situacija drasticno promenila, i iako i dalje mogu svaki dan da kupim jogurt, cene GW proizvoda su otisle SKY HIGH, bezobrazno visoko. Bilo kakvo ulaganje u GW produkte mi se vise ne isplati. Prema tome, teza da su cene rasle paralelno sa inflacijom ne stoji.

Cinjenica da su, iako su surovi monopolisti, nastavili da povecavaju cene bice njihov DOOM.

Ajd da saberemo koliko treba para da se skupi originalna standardna armija za neke od sistema:

Warhammer (orkovi, haotici?) nek me neko ispravi ako ima precizniju racunicu ali bez 500 evra nisi nista uradio.

Flames of war (2000p amerikanaca druga najskuplja armija) 280evrica.
Nemacka 1500p armija moze da se kupi za 150 evra.

Confrontation, Warmachine i Hordes su igre sa manje figura, ali svejedno ih uporedimo. Koliko je para potrebno da skupis standardnu bandu i pocnes da se igras, sa VEOMA lepim figurama? Mnooooogo manje od 500.
Mislim da sa 200-250e imas sve sto ti u zivotu treba

A sto se tice ulaganja u marketing, troskova i sl. pa sve je to ukalkulisano u cenu proizvoda, stvar je u tome sto oni hoce da zarade jos i JOS I JOS MALO I JOOOOOOS. (zato i prelaze na plastiku...jeftinija je, a cena figura ce ostati ista)

I naravno, nemojte zaboraviti prodaju licence i pravljenje kompjuterskih igara. Ne znam da li vi pratite histeriju na netu oko WARHAMMER ONLINEa ali ja je itekako pratim. To kad izadje neko ce da zgrne opasne milione a GW ce imati dobar deo kolaca.

I onda se ja i dalje pitam: Zasto su te figure toliko skupe?
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Dada... i ja sam se zapanjio kada sam racunao koliko bi mi para trebalo za novu armiju... Mnogo vise nego sto mi je trebalo pre par godina... reda 100% vise, cak i vise od toga...

Naravno uz sve to, npr. FOW mi kao sistem deluje dovoljno ozbiljno (za razliku od recimo confrontation-a), a i dalje ti treba upola para za armiju...

A za online igrice ne mozete da verujete koje se tu pare vrte... ali znaci ni da zamislite...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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No 1 wrote:Ljudi na raznim forumima pominju i mogućnost da se napravi i nova leteća konjica samo sada sa zmajevima.....
Koliko sam ja informisan, bilo je price o novoj jedinici tzv.'Drake Raiders'-ima, koji bi jahali 'Drake'-ove, a ne zmajeve...ma u cemu bila razlika.
To je odavno odbacen 'rumor' jer navodno u GW-u smatraju da su napravili gresku sa 'Pegasus Knight'-ovima i ne zele da je ponove.
Kako god....

PS - Milose, nisi valjda isao na Asur.org da bi me spijunirao?! :P
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Myth wrote: PS - Milose, nisi valjda isao na Asur.org da bi me spijunirao?! :P
Ma ni slucajno. Imam ja resenje za tvoju listu sve dok vodis dragon princes :D samo me je zanimalo sta ce se desiti sa novim elfovima. Mora da odigramo jednu partiju uskoro ocu da isprobam neku novu listu.
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Dzon Vejn wrote:A za online igrice ne mozete da verujete koje se tu pare vrte... ali znaci ni da zamislite...
Pa recimo za wow ako u svetu ima prosek 10 miliona igraca (kad sam ja igrao pre godinu i po bilo je 7-8 ako se dobro secam).Mesecna pretplata 15 evrica po glavi stanovnika.Prostom racunicom 10.000.000 x 15 dobijamo 150.000.000!To je samo prosecna cifra koja stalno raste.
Koja budala moze da zaradi 150.000.000 evra svakih 30 dana a da za te pare pusta ljude da trckaraju po imaginarnim svetovima i biju imaginarne neprijatelje,i da povremeno ciste gluposti koje igraci prave?Pa bre tolike pare ni ona fuxa Paris Hilton nemoze da dobije za svaki prdez koji ispusti.Kad bi gw prestao da krade pare i poceo da ozbiljno radi na mmorpg igrama (za whfb,za 40k,moze i jos po nesto) toliko bi para namakli da nebi do kraja zivota mogli da ih potrose sve i da hoce.
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Pazi samo par stvari:

1. ~10 mil naloga... pitanje koliko je aktivno (i dalje je sumanuta cifra)
2. Da bi GW napravio sam takvu stvar morao bi masno da plati programere, graficke dizajnere, itd.... nece profesionalci da rade za bedu za koju rade decica koja kupuju armije tako sto rade za njih...
3. WOW ima najvise ljudi... iza nje je EVE sa 150.000 accounta (oko 30.000 aktivnih)... to je i dalje 300.000 mesecno
4. Sve te cifre su ono... samo account... a gde je reklama i sve ostalo za sta dobijaju silne pare??? Merchandise, itd.....
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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A na netu mozete da vidite konkursa za store managera, cija bi plata bila 13000 funti godisnje. Za iljadu funti mesecno u britaniji mozes dupe da obrises... ne mogu da verujem u tu mizeriju. Pitao sam se koliko love dobije obican radnik... Ako te zanima zarada uzmes vajt dworf, pa pogledas samo broj radniji na ostrvu i pomnozis ih sa prosecnih deset hiljada funti prometa...
Pamti, pa vrati...

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Nemoguce da su plate toliko niske 8O
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Pazi samo par stvari:

1. ~10 mil naloga... pitanje koliko je aktivno (i dalje je sumanuta cifra)
2. Da bi GW napravio sam takvu stvar morao bi masno da plati programere, graficke dizajnere, itd.... nece profesionalci da rade za bedu za koju rade decica koja kupuju armije tako sto rade za njih...
3. WOW ima najvise ljudi... iza nje je EVE sa 150.000 accounta (oko 30.000 aktivnih)... to je i dalje 300.000 mesecno
4. Sve te cifre su ono... samo account... a gde je reklama i sve ostalo za sta dobijaju silne pare??? Merchandise, itd.....
1. Pominje se oko 12M naloga a 5M aktivnih. Cak i da ne igraju svaki mesec, mlogo li je.
2. Ljudi koji su radili Age of Kameloth rade WH Online. Age je spadao u prilicno dobre MMORPG a imao je opciju Realm vs. Realm koju sada poboljsavaju u WH Online i cime se najvise reklamira isti.
3. Pazi, za ovo nisam siguran (WOW je prvi, to nije diskutabilno). Prvo da je samo 30k aktivnih. Drugo, da je on drugi. Problem je sto je GW skoro besplatan. Lineage ima gomilu piratskih servera... Ali opet mi je cifra previse mala. Morao bi da potrazim neki tracker toga.
4. ... :P

Recimo, mnogo mi se svidja kako su uradili neke stvari. Koliko sam video, Giant je ovaj novi i neverovatno lici. Mnogo stvari je dosta preslikano i izgledaju ko na slikama. Ako stvarno naprave takav ugodjaj ko sto bi zamisljao u frpu ili u battle-u postoji mogucnost da imaju dobru zaradu, jer imaju jaku bazu hobista. Ako i tu ne bi poceli da pumpaju cenu ko sto znaju.
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Ma sve jedno i da nije EVE drugi... red velicine prve sledece igre je ispod pola miliona u svakom slucaju... u pravu si za cifre za EVE.. pomesao sam... 150.000 ljudi placa pretplatu, a 30.000 je online u vecini slucajeva... pogresno sam se odrazio :lol: ...

A za WH online mi se cini da ima premalo opcija, ali ajde videcemo, da ne pricam unapred (koliko sam video, svaka rasa ce da ima 4 klase, i to otprilike warrior, mag, warrior-mag i mag-warrior.... prilicno bedno, ali ajde da sacekamo pa da vidimo ;) )... Ah da, imaju samo 6 rasa pritom...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ljudi, koliko koja firma zaradjuje ili ne zaradjuje nije tema ovde, to nekako ne spada u glasine o Visokorodnim Vilenjacima :P Nemojte da preterate sa off-topicovanjem.
(Inace da vammalo razbijem ideje o zaradi - od svih vasih racunica oduzmite 40% kao dazbine drzavo, btw u britanjei je porez skocio ako s ene varam, sto opravdava i skok cena :D Ako je neko zavrsio ekonomiju od prisutnih, rado cu splitovati temu na druzenje, pa nek tamo razmenjujete traceve o parama)
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Cekaj, kako ne spada... ako firma koja proizvodi visokorodne vilenjake propadne, propasce i visokorodni vilenjaci, hence, nece ih vise biti, hence nece biti vise glasina o njima... vidis da je sve to povezano k'o debelo crevo :lol:
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote: 150.000 ljudi placa pretplatu, a 30.000 je online u vecini slucajeva...
Ovo je vec prihvatljivije. Ako se uzme da postoji samo jedan server onda deluje zanimljivo.

A za WHOL, cetiri klase za sest rasa, to je 24 karijere. Mozda nije koliko WOW ali ostali MMORPG ovi pocinju sa slicnom kolicinom. E sad, da li ce se posle moci specijalizovati za nesto, menjati karijere... to nisam cuo. Ali sam cuo da ce s moci da dobijas skilove i osobine tokom nivoa, ne samo kada prelazis.
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A jel' na WOW serverima ima nesto o novim High Elfovima?

Opet ste me upalili.
kuliraj dete, zivot je pred tobom.
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kgkid wrote:A jel' na WOW serverima ima nesto o novim High Elfovima?

Opet ste me upalili.
Zavisi kako gledas na to... istina je da nema direktno, ali je WOW povezan sa WH online posto su obe on line igrice... Shodno tome uticu jedna na drugu, a Wh online utice na WH, koji opet utice na high elfove, pa su shodno tome indirektno povezane :P
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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I, naravno, blizzard je napravio veliki rip-off wh minijatura kada je pravio prvi warcraft... samim tim i haj elfova.
Pamti, pa vrati...

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Evo novih rumora:

SPECIAL RULES

All High Elf mages get +1 to dispel.

Twilight of the Asur
• High Elf Lords are worth an additional 100 Victory points to the opponent.
• High Elf Heroes are worth an additional 50 Victory points to the opponent.

Stoic
High Elves are immune to panic when fighting Dark Elves

Citizen Levy
All Citizen units fighting on foot and armed with spears may fight in three ranks.
All Citizen units on foot and armed with bows do not suffer the usual -1 to hit penalty for shooting at long range.
All citizen levy must always fight with their spears, unless they're rendered inoperable for any reason.

Soldiery of Lothern
You may only include 1 unit of sea guard for each unit of spears or archers in the army. Ignore this restriction if the army is led by a seafarer.

Finubar's Legacy
Lothern sea guard may fire in two ranks, and may add or deduct a rank for free when moving (but not charging).

In addition, LSG may choose to shoot and charge into combat; in this case,only ranks beyond the front two may fire, and any casualties caused from shooting count towards combat resolution. When using this maneuver, the shooting attack suffers a -1 to hit.

Lion Claw
When fighting any creature of approximately Ogre sized or larger, the White Lions cause not 1 but D2 wounds. Note that this has no effect against war machines, chariots or buildings.

Caledorian Pride
The Dragon Princes of Caledor are subject to the following rules.
• Immune to Panic from all models except fellow Dragon Princes and friendly dragons, but may only test on the leadership of characters who are also Dragon Princes.
• May never refuse a challenge nor choose to flee as a charge reaction.
• Up to one additional unit of Dragon Princes may be taken for each Dragon Prince character included in the army.

Ancient Glory
Such is the tremendous speed and skilful execution of the Dragon Princes, they may re-roll all failed rolls to hit on any turn they charge.

Swordmasters
Ignore the usual strike last penalty for wielding a great weapon. They will strike in normal order instead (i.e. first when charging, last if charged and in initiative order in later rounds).

Guardians of the White Tower
*Up to one additional unit of Swordmasters may be taken for each Archmage included in the army.

Outcasts
Outcast units may only be joined by Outcast characters and Outcast characters may only join Outcast units.

Devoted of Asuryan: The phoenix guard are unbreakable. In addition, no character may be deployed in a unit of phoenix guard, nor may any character join the unit later in the battle.

Inspirational Presence: All friendly high elf units within 6" gain +1CR in combat. Note that this rule may provide no more than 1 point of CR per individual combat.

Keeper of the Flame: the keeper of the flame is the unit champion and as such does not count towards the army's character allotment. However, if he is killed, the enemy gets +100 extra VP's. He has a 4+ ward, and confers a 6+ ward save on his unit. In addition, all attacks made by the keeper and his unit count as being magical.

ELVEN ARMOURY

Lion Cloak
The white lion cloak that gives the White Lions of Chrace their name also gives them a +2 armour save versus missile fire. In close combat it is thrown back over the shoulder and offers no additional protection.

Ithilmar Barding
Ithilmar is extremely light, but very resilient. Barding made from Ithilmar gives the same protection as heavy steel, but without slowing down the steed that wears it.
Ithilmar barding adds +1 to the model’s armour save like ordinary barding, however there is no reduction in the movement rate of the model.

Dragon Armour
Forged in the heart of a volcano, this fine armour is enchanted to ward off the effects of Dragon breath. The model is immune to all breath attacks, and any fire-based attack (including spells from the Lore of Fire). Dragon Armour also counts as heavy armour, giving a 5+ armour save.


LORDS

PRINCE 125pts

Stats: As is.
Weapons: Hand weapon.
Options:
May choose either a lance (+6 pts), spear (+6 pts), a Great weapon (+6 pts), a halberd (+6 pts), or an additional hand weapon (+6 pts).
May also choose a longbow (+12 pts).
May wear either light armour (+3 pts), heavy armour (+6 pts), or Dragon armour (+8 pts) and may also carry a shield (+3 pts).
May ride either an Elven Steed (+18 pts), which can have Ithilmar barding (+8 pts), or a Great Eagle (+50 pts), a Griffon (+200 pts) or a Dragon (+320pts).
May choose a combination of magic items from the Common or High Elf magic items lists, to a maximum total value of 100 pts.

ARCHMAGE 215pts

Stats: As is.
Weapons: Hand weapon.
Magic: An Archmage is a level 3 Wizard. He may choose either High Magic or any one of the eight lores described in the Warhammer rulebook.
Options:
May be upgraded to a Level 4 Wizard for +35 pts.
May ride an Elven Steed (+18pts), which can have ithilmar barding (+8pts), or a Great Eagle (+50pts).
May choose a combination of magic items from the Common or High Elf magic items lists, to a maximum total value of 100 pts.


HEROES

COMMANDER 65pts

Stats: As is.
Weapons: Hand weapon.
Options:
May choose either a lance (+4 pts), spear (+4 pts), a Great weapon (+4 pts), a halberd (+4 pts), or an additional hand weapon (+4 pts).
May also choose a longbow (+8 pts).
May wear either light armour (+2 pts), heavy armour (+4 pts), or Dragon armour (+6 pts) and may also carry a shield (+2 pts).
May ride either an Elven Steed (+12 pts), which can have Ithilmar barding (+5 pts), or a Great Eagle (+50 pts).
One Commander may be upgraded to a Battle Standard Bearer for +25pts.
May choose a combination of magic items from the Common or High Elf magic items lists, to a maximum total value of 50 pts.
The Battle Standard Bearer cannot choose any non-magical equipment except for light, heavy or dragon armour and/or barding for his steed.
He cannot be mounted on a Great Eagle.
The Battle Standard Bearer can have any magic banner (no points limit), but if he carries a magic banner he may not take any other magic items. He may, however, still take a single Honour like other Commanders.


WARRIOR-MAGE 100pts

Stats: As Commander, except WS5, I6, BS5 and Ld8.
Weapons: Hand weapon.
Options:
Weapon, armour and mount options as per Commander, except does NOT have option to become BSB. May take either one Honour OR one Path of the Loremasters.
May choose a combination of magic items from the Common or High Elf magic items lists, to a maximum total value of 50 pts.
Magic: Level 1 High Elf mage who may use any of the eight lores of magic. Does NOT have acccess to High Magic. He may be upgraded to a level 2 Mage for 35 points, but if you do so he will take up an additional Hero choice.

MAGE 90pts

Stats: As is.
Weapons: Hand weapon.
Magic: A Mage is a level 1 Wizard. He may choose either High Magic or any one of the eight lores described in the Warhammer rulebook.
Options:
May be upgraded to a Level 2 Wizard for +35 pts.
May ride an Elven Steed (+12 pts), which can have ithilmar barding (+5 pts).
May choose a combination of magic items from the Common or High Elf magic items lists, to a maximum total value of 50 pts.


CORE

ARCHERS 10pts

Unit size: 10+
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, longbow.
Options:
Any unit may be equipped with light armour for +1pt/model.
Upgrade one Archer to a Musician for +6pts/model.
Upgrade one Archer to a Standard Bearer for +12pts/model.
Promote one Archer to a Champion for +6pts/model.
Special Rules:
Citizen Levy

SPEARELVES 10pts

Unit size: 10+
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, spear, heavy armour, shield.
Options:
Upgrade one Spearelf to a Musician for +6pts/model.
Upgrade one Spearelf to a Standard Bearer for +12pts/model.
one unit of spears may carry a magic standard worth up to 25 pts.
Promote one Spearelf to a Champion for +12pts/model.
Special Rules:
Citizen Levy

SEA GUARDS 14pts

Unit size: 10+
Stats: As is, but WS5.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, spear, bow, light armour, shield.
Options:
Upgrade one Sea Guard to a Musician for +6pts/model.
Upgrade one Sea Guard to a Standard Bearer for +12pts/model.
Promote one Sea Guard to a Champion for +12pts/model.
Any unit of sea guard may carry a magic banner up to 25 pts
Special Rules:
Soldiery of Lothern, Citizen Levy, Finubar's Legacy

SILVER HELMS 25pts

Unit size: 5+
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, lance, heavy armour, shield.
Mount: Barded Elven steed.
Options:
Upgrade one Silver Helm to a Musician for +7pts/model.
Upgrade one Silver Helm to a Standard Bearer for +14pts/model.
One unit of silver helms may carry a magic standard worth up to 25 pts.
Promote one Silver Helm to a Champion for +14pts/model.

SPECIAL

ELLYRIAN REAVERS 18pts

Unit size: 5+
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, spear, light armour.
Options:
Any unit may be equipped with bows for +4 pts per model.
Ugrade one Reaver to a Musician for +7 pts.
Upgrade one Reaver to a Standard Bearer for +14 pts.
Promote one Reaver to a Harbinger for +7 pts.
Special Rules: Fast Cavalry

SHADOW WARRIORS 14pts

Unit size: 5-15
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, longbow, light armour.
Options:
Any unit may be equipped with additional hand weapons for +2pts/model.
One Shadow Warrior may be upgraded to a Shadow-walker for +12 pts (has +1A instead of the usual +1BS for a scout champion).
Special Rules:
Scout, Skirmish, Hate Dark Elves, Outcasts.

0-1 SWORDMASTERS 16pts

Unit size: 10+
Stats: I6, 2A; otherwise as is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, great sword, heavy armour.
Options:
Upgrade one Swordmaster to a Musician for +7 pts.
Upgrade one Swordmaster to a Standard Bearer for +14 pts.
A Standard Bearer may carry a magic standard worth up to 50 pts.
Promote one Swordmaster to a Bladelord for +14 pts.
Special Rules:
Swordmasters, Guardians of the White Tower.

TIRANOC CHARIOTS 85pts

Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Crew are armed with a hand weapon, spear and bow.
Options:
May have up to two additional steeds at +7pts/model.
Special Rules:
Chariot
Note that 1-2 Tiranoc Chariots count as only one Special unit choice.

0-1 DRAGON PRINCES 30pts

Unit size: 5+
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, lance, dragon armour, shield.
Mount: Ithilmar barded Elven steed.
Options:
Upgrade one Dragon Prince to a Musician for +9pts/model.
Upgrade one Dragon Prince to a Standard Bearer for +18pts/model.
Standard Bearer may carry a magic banner worth up to 50pts.
Promote one Dragon Prince to a Drakemaster for +18pts/model.
Special Rules:
Caledorian Pride, Ancient Glory

WHITE LIONS 13pts

Unit size: 5-15
Stats: As is.
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, great axe, light armour, lion cloak.
Options:
Upgrade one White Lion to a Musician for +7 pts.
Promote one White Lion to a Hunter Captain for +14 pts.
Special Rules: Skirmish, immune to fear,Lion Claw


RARE

GREAT EAGLES 50pts

Stats: As is.
Weapons: Talons (count as hand weapon).
Special Rules: Fly.
Note that 1-2 Great Eagles count as only one Rare unit choice.

REPEATER BOLT THROWER 100pts

Stats: As is.
Crew: 2 High Elves.
Weapons and Armour: The crew carry hand weapons and wear light armour.
Special Rules: Repeater Bolt Thrower.
Note that 1-2 Repeater Bolt Throwers count as only one Rare unit choice.

0-1 Phoenix Guard 14 points:

stats: as is
Keeper of the Flame: 5 5 4 4 3 2 7 3 10
Unit Size : 10-25
Equipment : as is
Special Rules: Unveiled Destiny, Inspirational Presence, Devoted of Asuryan, Keeper of the Flame

Options: upgrade one phoenix guard to the Keeper of the Flame 65 points.


PATHS OF THE LOREMASTERS

High Elf mages may choose up to a single Path of the Loremasters, but do not have to.
Archmages MUST study at least one Path and may choose a second Path, but do not have to.
The Paths do NOT count toward the magic item allowance.

Path of Knowledge 10pts
Mage knows an additional spell from the lore he chooses.

Path of Serenity 20pts Adds +1 dispel die each enemy magic phase.

Path of Control 20pts
Mage may maintain a single remains in play spell whilst casting other spells normally. Any spell which remains in play cast by the mage will now last until dispelled, the mage chooses to end it, attempts to cast another remains in play spell (including the same spell again), miscasts on any spell attempt, or is slain.

Path of Truth 20pts Only mages using High Magic can learn the Path of Truth. Any time the caster miscasts, he may re-roll the result on the miscast table.

Path of Power 30pts
All enemies attempting to dispel any spell successfully cast by the mage suffer a -2 penalty to their dispel score.

HONOURS

Princes and Commanders may take up to a single Honour.
Honours do NOT count toward the magic item allowance.

Horsemaster 10pts
Character must be mounted on an Elven steed that does not have any barding. Character is subject to the rules for Fast Cavalry.

Seafarer 20pts
Character and any unit of Sea Guards he is with are immune to panic. In addition, the unit may re-roll any failed fear or terror test.

Shadow-Walker 20pts
Character may scout and is subject to the Outcasts special rule. In addition, the Shadow-Walker hates Dark Elves.

Hunter 30pts
May only be given to character on foot. Character wears a lion cloak, is Fearless and has the Lion Claw special ability.

Swordmaster 30pts
Character on foot only. Swordmaster 30 points: Mmay only be given to a character on foot. character gains +1WS and killing blow. His weapon options are reduced to a magical or mundane hand weapon, greatsword or multiple hand weapons, and he may not have either a mundane or magical shield. The following skills DO count towards the magic item allowance, and a swordmaster character must have at least one.

1.Strikes in I order in subsequent rounds when wielding greatsword 15 pts
2.+1 to hit when targeting all attacks against a single model 15 pts
3.Magical attacks; daemons in combat with this character suffer -1LD on any instability tests 25 pts
4.+1A 30 pts
5.-1 to be hit 30 pts

Dragon Prince 35pts
Must be mounted. Character wears dragon armour (which can be swapped for magic armour in the usual way) and is subject to the rules for Caledorian Pride and Ancient Glory. In addition, any dragon ridden by a prince with this honour never has to roll on the monster reaction chart, but is treated as an independent model instead.

HIGH MAGIC

Drain Magic 5+/7+/9+
Choose level before cast.
Discard 6's/ 5, 6’s/ 4, 5, 6’s
Cast on wizard with in 24'', even into close combat. Might prevent "Irresistible force", and/or "Fortune is Fickle" results...
Lasts until the start of casters next magic phase.

Assault of Radiance 5+/8+: Magic Missile 24". Inflicts d6/2d6 S4 hits which ignore ward saves.

Master of Winds 6+
As long as this spell is in play, it imposes the following effects: all doubles (excluding double 6's) rolled by the opponent when attempting to dispel a spell fail; All MR in the opponents army is reduced by 1; and all dispel scrolls used by opponent only work on a 4+.The spell lasts until dispelled, the Mage chooses to end it (which he can do at any time), attempts to cast another spell or is slain
Remains in Play

Fury of Khaine 8+
This may be cast on an enemy unit within 24" of the caster and in line of sight, even into close combat. Any Missile fire directed at the target unit in the following Shooting Phase may re-roll any failed rolls to hit. If the unit is targeted by a breath weapon then you may re-roll to hit any models which are partially covered.
In addition, any attacks directed at the unit in the next Close Combat Phase may re-roll any failed rolls to hit.

Storm of the Aethyr 10+
Lasts one turn. The casting mage nominates a spot on the battlefield within 24" and LOS. A powerful tempest of raw magical energy with a radius of 6" swirls from this point. The tempest imposes the following effects within the 6" zone:

-Any unit partially or completely within the zone has their M value halved.
-The strength of all shooting passing through the zone is halved (rounding up). A unit's shooting is treated as passing through if a line drawn from the center of the firing unit to the center of the targeted unit passes through the zone.

Vaul's Unmaking 10+
May be cast on an enemy unit within 24" of the caster and may be cast into close combat. The owner of the unit must reveal to the caster all the magic items in the unit. The caster then chooses one of them to be nullified for the rest of the battle. The spell itself does not remain in play, but the effect lasts for the remainder of the game. This spell can drain the magic from dwarf rune items. Note that all the runes on an individual item will be drained by the spell, not just one. If the unit has no magic items, the spell has no effect.

Flames of the Phoenix 12+
This may be cast on an enemy unit within 24" and within LOS. Each model, including characters and unit champions, takes a Strength 3 hit immediately. If the spell is still in play at the start of the caster’s next Magic phase, each model in the unit takes a Strength 4 hit. If still in play at the start of the caster’s following Magic phase, each model takes a Strength 5 hit, and so on, with the Strength increasing by 1 each turn it remains in play. Hits count as fire attacks. No ward saves may be taken against wounds caused by this spell. The spell lasts until dispelled, the Mage chooses to end it (which he can do at any time), attempts to cast another spell or is slain.
Remains in Play


MAGIC ITEMS

COMMON ITEMS

Sword of Striking 20 pts
Hand weapon; +1 to hit

Sword of Battle 15 pts
Hand weapon; +1A

Sword of Might 15 pts
Hand weapon; +1S

Biting Blade 10 pts
Hand weapon; -1 to enemy AS

Enchanted shield 10 pts
armour; 5+ AS

Talisman of Protection 10 pts
talisman; 6+ ward save

Dispel scroll 20 pts
Arcane; automatically dispels an enemy spell; one use only

Power stone 20 pts
Arcane; +2 dice to cast a spell; one use only

Staff of Sorcery 40 pts
Arcane; +1 to dispel

War Banner 20 pts
banner; +1CR


MAGIC WEAPONS

Daggers of Nagarythe 10pts
Shadow-Walker only. Count as two hand weapons with armour piercing attacks.

Hunter's Axe 20pts
Hunter only. Counts as great weapon, except provides +3S instead of the usual +2S.

Dragonblade Lance 25pts
Dragon Prince only. Counts as lance. Wielder has +1 attack on the turn he charges. In addition, all attacks made with lance count as fire attacks.

Sword of Defiance 30pts
Wielder gains +1S at all times. In addition, this sword confers +1A when fighting against an enemy unit of greater unit strength than the combined unit strength of the wielder and his unit.

Starwood Spear 35pts
Always strikes first and all attacks are at +1 strength.

Reaver Bow 40pts
Treat the Reaver Bow as a normal longbow with the following exceptions: the bearer may shoot three times in each of his Shooting phases and any hits are resolved at Strength 5.

Blade of Sea Gold 40pts
No armour saves may be taken against wounds caused by this weapon.

Greatsword of Hoeth 40 points
Counts as a great weapon. In addition, this sword adds 1 magic die to your basic pool in each phase.

Bow of the Seafarer 60pts
Treat the Bow of the Seafarer as a normal longbow with the following exception: Resolve a hit from this like a single bolt from a Bolt Thrower, but at Str6. Note that you may stand & shoot with the Bow of the Seafarer.

Runesword of Twilight 65 pts
Always wounds on unmodified 3+, and no armour save are allowed against this weapon.

Phoenix Blade 75pts
The blade confers +3 Attacks on the character wielding it. In addition, all attacks made by this weapon count as flaming and armour piercing .

MAGIC ARMOUR

Enchanted Armour 15pts
This armour confers a 3+ armour save on the wearer which cannot be improved by any means. Warrior-Mage may wear and still cast spells normally.

Armour of Heroes 20pts
Character on foot only. Counts as heavy armour (armour save 5+) which can be combined with other equipment normally. In addition, all attacks directed at the bearer in close combat are resolved at -1 Strength.

Helm of Fortune 25pts
This helm confers a 6+ armour save which can be combined with other equipment normally. The wearer may re-roll failed armour saves.

Dragonscale Shield 30pts
Dragon Prince only. 5+ armour save. 5+ ward.

Golden Shield 30pts
This shield confers a 6+ armour save which can be combined with other equipment normally. In addition, all attempts to hit the bearer in close combat suffer a penalty of -1.

Armour of Protection 40pts
Counts as heavy armour (armour save 5+) which can be combined with other equipment normally. If the wearer fails his armour save he may make a 4+ Ward save.

TALISMANS

Aegis of Harmony 20pts
All shooting at the bearer or the unit he is with is resolved at -1S.

Amulet of the Forest Realms 20 pts
The bearer gains a 6+ ward save. In addition, at the beginning of each High Elf Magic phase, they may roll a D6. On a roll of a 4+, they regain one lost wound. This may not cause them to exceed their original number of wounds.

Guardian Phoenix 25 pts
5+ ward.

Talisman of Saphery 35 pts
Magical weapons in base contact will count as normal ones, Sword of Battle is a normal hand weapon etc.

Brooch of the Evercourt 40pts
Bearer and unit he is with have magic resistance (1). In addition, all Dark, Necromantic, Chaos and Skaven spells cast on the bearer or any friendly unit within 6" are miscast on any double (except double 6's).

Pendant of Cynath 50 pts
The Character gains a 4+ ward save. In addition, the pendant may be used to protect members of his unit. Once per turn, the character may extend the pendant's protection to one other member of the unit, giving them a 4+ ward save against one wound. If the save is failed, the bearer of the pendant takes the wound rather than the original target.

Vambraces of Defence 55 pts
4+ ward, re roll failed armour saves.

ENCHANTED ITEMS

Runestone of Vaul 10pts
All weapons used by character in close combat, including magical weapons, count as armour piercing.

Amulet of Purifying Flame 15pts
All spells aimed at the Character and his unit suffers -3 to cast roll, no effect if Irresistible force.

Mask of the Anulii 20pts
The Bearer nominates a single friendly Great Eagle (including any ridden on). The mage may use the LOS of the Great Eagle for his spells if desired. Note that the range of the spells are still measured from the Mage.

Bracers of the Golden Eaves 20pts
May only be given to a character on foot. If the character is using a mundane longbow, the range of his bow is increased to 48"; gains +1S; and may be fired twice. Note that shots fired from a magic bow are unnaffected by this item.

Ring of Isha 20pts
Power level 3. May target any friendly model (other than chariots) within 24". The targeted model regains 1 lost wound. May not increase the number of wounds beyond the original profile, nor does this ability have any effect on models already removed as casualties. If this effects a mounted monster, choose either the rider or the mount to be effected.

Cloak of the Aesenar 25pts
Shadow walker only. Character and the unit he is with can't be targeted by shotting or spells that need LOS from more than 12" away.

The Sigils of Command 30pts
Characters on foot only. Once both players have finished deploying, the bearer of the Sigils and the unit he is with may be repositioned anywhere within their own deployment zone. No other units may be moved in order to accomodate this redeployment.

Ring of Fury 30 points
PL3. Casts assault of radiance on either its first or second level. If casting on the second, roll a die each time you activate the ring; on a roll of 1, the ring runs out for the rest of the battle.

Ring of Corin 35pts
Bound spell. Power level 3. Vaul’s Unmaking.

Tor Anroc's Thunder 35 points
Character in a chariot only. It provides the chariot carrying this character with +1 Mv, and adds an additional d3 impact hits. In addition, all impact hits from the chariot count as magical.

Cloak of Beards 35pts
Dwarfs both hate and fear the wearer of the Cloak. In addition, for the duration of each Close Combat phase, each model in base contact with the wearer loses all the runes from one of their runic items (determined randomly). Treat the item as a normal one of its kind.

Null Stone 80pts
No magic works with in 6", includes magic from wizards (spells etc), runes, items etc. Even own ones don't work... Magic weapons, armour etc are treated as normal weapons, armour, etc.

ARCANE ITEMS

Silver Wand 10pts
The mage may store up to one unused die from his own pool at the end of any magic phase. If he does, it is added to the pool for use in the following magic phase.

Jewel of the Dusk 15pts
The jewel gives the Mage +1 Power dice in each of his own Magic phases.

Orb of Cyeos 25pts
At the start of the magic phase, nominate an enemy wizard. That mage must reroll one dice of the high elf player's choice for every spell he tries to cast. The reroll may cause the spell to miscast, but not to fail (unless miscast) or to be cast with IF. No effect on spells that did miscast already, or those cast with IF.

Wand of True Force 30 pts
One use only. Bound spell power level varies.
At the beginning of the game, pick one spell known by the mage. That spell may be cast from the rod at it's base casting value. RIP spells cast this way last one turn.

Icon of Hoeth 35pts
Path of Truth only. Spell ranges increased by 12”. Spells that only affect the caster, all units within a certain range of the caster or may already be cast anywhere are not affected, nor are bound items.

Annulian Crystal 40pts
During the enemy's Magic phase, the Crystal allows the High Elf players to remove one die from the opponent's pile of Power dice and add it to your dispel pool.

Staff of Reflection 55pts
Path of Truth only. If an enemy wizard successfully casts a spell on the mage bearing the Staff or any friendly unit within 8", then instead of making a normal dispel attempt, the mage may try to reflect the power of the spell back onto the casting enemy wizard. Roll a D6. On the roll of a 4+, the spell has no effect and the casting wizard suffers a S6 hit. The Staff cannot reflect spells cast with Irresistible Force.

Staff of the Ages 55 points
The mage carrying this staff may re-roll one die per turn when attempting to cast spells. This re-roll may prevent a miscast, but cannot cause IF.

Book of Hoeth 65pts
Any spell cast by the mage will be cast with Irresistible Force on any successful casting roll with double 4’s, 5’s, or 6’s, excluding miscasts.

MAGIC BANNERS

Banner of the sentinels 10pts
Enemy units may never claim the outnumbering bonus when fighting this unit in combat.

Banner of Ellyrion 15pts
Treat difficult terrain as open in the purpose of movement.

Banner of Tethlis 25 pts
may only be given to a unit on foot. The unit may make a free reform in any turn it does not charge, or in any turn it has rallied.

Banner of Ielthan 25 pts
Sea guard only. All missile weapons in the unit count as flaming and armour piercing.

Lion Standard 25ts
Unit is immune to fear and terror.

Banner of Mists 30pts
All enemy shooting targeting unit suffers a -1 to hit penalty.

Crimson Banner of Caledor 35pts
The unit carrying this banner may ignore the first failed armour saving throw each turn.

Standard of Balance 45pts
The unit carrying and the unit in contact with them are immune to psychology. Units with frenzy lose it as if they had lost a round of combat.

Standard of Vaul 50 points
Any light, heavy or dragon armour worn by the models in this unit cannot be reduced by AS modifiers, although attacks which ignore or negate armour saves work as normal. Note that this effect does not extend to shields, barding or bonuses for being mounted. In addition, all attacks made by models in this unit are AP in addition to their normal rules.

Banner of Sorcery 50pts
+2 power dice to the common pool.

Banner of the World Dragon 60pts
All friendly units within 18" have magic resistance (1).


A few designer's notes:

-On keeping the shoot-and charge rule for sea guard: we believe at this point that this rule is not unbalanced as people have claimed. This is because it has an in-built balancing factor. To take full advantage of the rule, you have to field huge units of sea guard, which would be a massive points sink, not to mention incredibly vulnerable. This is something players will simply not do; sea guard will still normally be fielded in units of 15-20 IMO. Also, any units in the back ranks will only be able to fire when charging, and will be useless in all other circumstances, not to mention that those firing into combat on the charge get -1 to hit. You'd be lucky in normal circumstances to cause 1-2 extra casualties with this rule. The point of this rule is to establish a defining role and style for the sea guard. Does it break game rules? Yes, but anymore so than detachments, raiders or the lance formation? All this being said, if testing shows this is unbalanced, we'l remove it for the final draft.

-On keeping the current version of the swordmaster honour: this one may appear to be too complicated, but the purpose is to make sure swordmaster characters are uniquely focused on skill, particularly offensive skill. A swordmaster character should be adept at taking down other man-sized characters, but in return should be incredibly vulnerable.

On keeping master of winds as is: Admittedly, our high magic hasn't been tested too much yet; only further testing can prove we're right or wrong abour our conclusions. But testing thus far has shown this spell to be somewhat cumbersome actually, as any RIP spell whose only effects are on further spellcasting sensibly would be. You need to have a babysitter mage to use this spell, and it is only really useful with a full battery of mages. Also, the 6+ casting cost may seem absurdly low to some, but it is actually that way because it is more fair to the opponent; if the cost was much higher, it would be hard to dispel in the opponents next magic phase, and the high elf player probably wouldn't hesitate to throw a bunch of dice at this spell anyway, regardless of the cost.
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Pa lepo su ih ojacali... bice malo vise pucanja cini mi se, i phoenix guarda ce biti vidjana na stolu potencijalno... dobili su i lepe magic iteme...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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jos samo da sve core jedinice dobiju krila za dzabe i lete okolo po 20',da cela armija kosta protivnika tih poena a ne igraca..koliko mi se cini ovi he su dobili veca ojacanja od drugih armija :o :( :o
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melekith wrote:...koliko mi se cini ovi he su dobili veca ojacanja od drugih armija :o :( :o
Mozda zato sto im je trebalo vise nego recimo orcima?
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melekith wrote:jos samo da sve core jedinice dobiju krila za dzabe i lete okolo po 20',da cela armija kosta protivnika tih poena a ne igraca..koliko mi se cini ovi he su dobili veca ojacanja od drugih armija :o :( :o

K'o sto rece Beta...
Mada, steta sto nema jos i heroja na zmajevima... :?
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Da, slazem se sa Betom... njima je pojacanje zaista ocajno trebalo... moja najveca zamerka bi bila cena archera koja je recimo 10 poena, za razliku od wood elfova kojima je 12 a koji se razlikuu samo u onih nebitnih -1 AS... mislim da bi realno bilo 11 poena, ali dobro, nije da ce to da napravi neku razliku ne znam ni ja kakvu ;)

edit: takodje skuplji su samo 2 poena od imperijskih archera a bolji mnogo...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Mind Uploader wrote:...
Mada, steta sto nema jos i heroja na zmajevima... :?
Alesio je licno rekao da "ne zele da ponove gresku sa pegasus knight-ovima..."

Mislim da je time sve receno...
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bojan wrote:
Mind Uploader wrote:...
Mada, steta sto nema jos i heroja na zmajevima... :?
Alesio je licno rekao da "ne zele da ponove gresku sa pegasus knight-ovima..."

Mislim da je time sve receno...
Ovo je bilo lepo saznati, posto planiram uskoro da kupim sve sto mi fali za bretoniju (a nema bas puno toga)... znaci ne-kupiti 20 pegaza :lol:
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ah, znaci da ce dark elfovi takodje dobiti znatne izmene i pojacanja....

Sto prevedeno znaci: nove korice za knjigu :D
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Bathory wrote:Ah, znaci da ce dark elfovi takodje dobiti znatne izmene i pojacanja....

Sto prevedeno znaci: nove korice za knjigu :D
Sumnjam... oni su u 5. ediciji imali ekstra pravila, u 6. uboga, sto znaci da je sada opet red da se te figure prodaju ;), hence da ces imatiu dobra pravila...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Bathory wrote:Ah, znaci da ce dark elfovi takodje dobiti znatne izmene i pojacanja....

Sto prevedeno znaci: nove korice za knjigu :D
Kao i novu kolor sekciju!
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Iskreno, nakon relativno pazljivog citanja liste, meni se doima da ih zapravo uopste nisu preterano poboljsali, niti su smislili neke nove, viabilne, taktike da ucine da svilenjaci pobede. Pa poboljsali su strelce, ali i dalje to je shooting snage 3, a sa druge strane unistili su dragon princeze koje vise ne mogu bezati. Bolteri su tu, reaver bow i hand bolter su tu, potencijalno neprijatna magicna faza je i dalje tu, kocije su tu, orlovi se i dalje kolju sa bolterima za slot, a pesadija je dobila pet tona naoko cool stvari, sto i dalje ne menja cinjenicu da je to gomila elfova sa t3, i jedva primetnim saveom. Nekako mislim da, i pored ovog "boosta" visoki svilenjaci ce se i dalje nalaziti u donjim delovima tabele turnira. Dace bog da gresim.
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Nijsu nista preterano poboljsani, mozda su napravljeni malo zanimljivijim sa svim onim Path of/Honor of opcijama ali ne i nesto narocito jacim.
High magic lore je cini mi se poboljsan (osnovni spel je magic misle, a ima i onaj spel sto usporava koji moze biti dosta koristan), i ima par lepih itema, ali nekih starih dobrih nema (oklop za +1S, banner za +D6 CR, book of hoeth je oslabljen...)

Dragon Princeze su losije (prevelika cena i nemaju flee), swordmasteri bolji ali skupi, feniks garda "interesantna", a Seaguard jos uvek bezveze.
Al su super ovi Izvori Magije, em nisu plagijat, em su bolji od originala!
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Msilim da mogu da nakrcaju krdo magije i pucanje uz par lepih magic itema... Cini mi se da mozda mogu i gore od wood elfova da pucaju... doduse nemaju 2 treemana :?, sto mnogo menja stvari, ali mogu da imaju 4 botera koji opet nesto oprlje... videcemo uostalom ;)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Da, slazem se sa Betom... njima je pojacanje zaista ocajno trebalo... moja najveca zamerka bi bila cena archera koja je recimo 10 poena, za razliku od wood elfova kojima je 12 a koji se razlikuu samo u onih nebitnih -1 AS...
Umm, wood elfovska glade guarda na short rangeu ima S4 (sto ukljucuje i -1AS :P)... Iz mog iskustva, lepo je skoro uvek pogadjati na 3+

Meni jedino malo glupo sto skoro da nisu promenili sastav vojske (samo su izbacili Handmaidenke, koje u svakom slucaju niko nije ni izvodio), bar jednu novu jedinicu da su dodali... Nekako mi se cini ko da se nece menjati army liste i sa novom knjigom, al ajd videcemo...
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Pa i nece... generalno idu obicno 2 edicije zajedno... te stoga mozemo da cekamo 8. za dalja pojednostavljenja pravila i promenjene liste....
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Dzon Vejn wrote:Da, slazem se sa Betom... njima je pojacanje zaista ocajno trebalo... moja najveca zamerka bi bila cena archera koja je recimo 10 poena, za razliku od wood elfova kojima je 12 a koji se razlikuu samo u onih nebitnih -1 AS... mislim da bi realno bilo 11 poena, ali dobro, nije da ce to da napravi neku razliku ne znam ni ja kakvu ;)
Al su wood elfovski ipak bolji bash zbog tih nebitnih :roll: +1S
mada 20 poena manje za jedinicu od 10 komada ipak jeste razlika.
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Da ali +1S SAMO ispod pola... a obicno kad si ispod pola to znaci da ces sledeci krug da uletis u njega...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Pa ne mozes bas tako da gledas... To je samo pod pretpostavkom da ta jedinica koja ce da charguje ima M7, da ti archeri nisu u sumi, da jedinica nema pametnije stvari da charguje... Cak i da charguju, archeri imaju stand&shoot, itd itd...
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A sta to wood elf ima pametnije :lol: ??? pored toga, na turniru su ionako sve ili konjica sa 1+ AS ili letaci ili zverovi sa velikim T, tako da .... naravno da je bolje sto imaju taj +1 S, ali to nije nesto sad dramaticno...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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