Vampire: the Eternal Struggle - opsta diskusija

Post by **Megabaja** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:22 pm

Obratite paznju na broj dekova sa Owainom i Blackohorse Tanerom

e... a koliko ima dekova sa Nehemiahom na TWDA - postuj rezultate turnira!

Rat with a tool · Post by **Rat with a tool** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:21 pm

The UK National VtES Championship 2009 has been played on December 5th, 2009 in Reading, UK with 29 players attending the tournament. The standings of the final round were as follows:

1. Anthony Coleman (UK) -- 3 VP - Ventrue Neo Lawfirm
2. Sven Helmer (GER) -- 2 VP -- Lasombra Nocturn
2. Hugh Angseesing (UK) -- 0 VP -- Guruhi Wall/Rush Combat feat. Nana Buruku
2. Artur Siupik (POL) -- 0 VP -- Rachel Brandywine
2. Rafal Matysiak (POL) -- 0 VP -- Animalism Wall/Rush Combat
Congratulations to Anthony for his win of the UK Nationals 2009.

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:26 am

Jupiii! Spoiler i card lista:

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.ph ... ToTheBlood

kad gledate preview-e otvorite ih u posebnom tabu ili ce pokazati odgovarajuci preview iz EK-a.

Naraj · Post by **Naraj** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:08 am

U Anarch Revoltu bilo koja karta, koja zahteva neku sabat titulu u requires tabeli ima i titulu regent iako to ne pise na karti. Greska, ili pravilo?

oko tier of souls

tzimisce_dragon wrote:
> Ok with "steal blood" and "burn blood", i am asking about the "move blood"
> of tier of souls.... so, what does really happen ????????
> no life lost and acting minion wears the card and gets the +1 bleed ?

Exactly correct.

Tier of Souls may target an ally (any minion).

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:44 am

Naraj wrote:U Anarch Revoltu bilo koja karta, koja zahteva neku sabat titulu u requires tabeli ima i titulu regent iako to ne pise na karti. Greska, ili pravilo?

Pitanje je nerazumljivo, pitaj opet...

Naraj · Post by **Naraj** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:15 am

Imas opciju da trazis po titulama, Kad zatrazis karte koje zahtevaju regenta izbaci karte na kojima nepise da regent moze da ih odigra. Ispada da mozes odigrat svaku politicku sabat kartu.

Jos dve stvari:
Ono oko dual forme nije tacno vampir tako napravljen ne dobije i tekst vampira koji je odigrao kartu
This acting vampire's capacity is reduced by 1. Put this card in play, tapped. It becomes a non-unique vampire with the same clan, capacity and Disciplines as the acting vampire. You may move up to 2 blood from the acting vampire to this vampire. If either minion leaves the ready region, the other is burned.
i na netu potvrdjuju, ali necu da pravim prevelik post

Postoji li neka karta koja daje glasove ili titule za camarillu i independet osim Rise of Nephtali i Praxis Seizura?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:39 am

Naraj wrote: This acting vampire's capacity is reduced by 1. Put this card in play, tapped. It becomes a non-unique vampire with the same clan, capacity and Disciplines as the acting vampire. You may move up to 2 blood from the acting vampire to this vampire. If either minion leaves the ready region, the other is burned.

Kazi mi, koji deo ove karte ti kaze da preuzimas tekst? Nijedan. Preuzimas clan, capacity i discipline. Proverio sam, karta nije eratovana. Mogu da se slazu ili ne slazu do sutra, ako LSJ ne kaze drugacije, ostaje ovako.

Pitanje za regenta je opet nejasno, ali pokusacu da objasnim : Regent je sabbat titula. Kao takav, moze da igra sve politike koje ne zshtevaju nista, kao i sve politike koje zahtevaju sabbat (kao cardinal benediction, code of milan ili hand intervention). Ne moze da igra one politike koje zahtevaju specificnu titulu ( kao Templar, sabbat inquisitor, ili blood siege, kao ni greatest fall). Na isti nacin kao sto inner ccircle ne moze da zove anatemu ili parity shift. Nadam se da ti ovo odgovara na pitanje.
Koliko ja znam, ne postoji NIJEDNA politicka karta koju moze da igra samo regent.

Za trece pitanje : jedino ako ih napravis u anarhe, onda mozes da igras free stake i da pravis barone.

Naraj · Post by **Naraj** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:10 pm

Ne tvrdim ja da dobijas i tekst, nego su Krle i Mirko juce to tvrdili.
Na isti nacin kao sto inner circle ne moze da zove anatemu ili parity shift.
E to je problem. Na karti pise da je moze pozvat archbishop priskus ili kardinal, a u requires tabeli(ono gde pise type,cost...) stoji i regent.
Za barone znam, treba mi nesto drugo ima onaj svitak za setite, ali cini mi se da sam video nesto slicno kao bloodbath, verovatno gresim,u svakom slucaju hvala.

Buxxx · Post by **Buxxx** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:50 pm

Mozda ti se ubagovao ARDB(ili je baza podataka lose uradjena pa requirement za regenta im je isto kao i sabbat), mozda imas staru verziju(ja imam 3.1.1 i sve lepo izbacuje - 22 karte koje moze da igra regent).

Sto se tice karte koja daje glas:
Firebrand
Type: Political Action
Requires: anarch
If this referendum is successful, put this card on the acting anarch. This anarch gets 1 additional vote during a political action. During your minion phase, this anarch can burn 1 blood to untap a ready younger anarch. Burn this card if this anarch goes to torpor. An anarch may have only 1 Firebrand.
To ti je additional vote, tako da se ne smanjuje ako zoves Free States Rant

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Naraj · Post by **Naraj** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:30 pm

Jeste taj Firebrand sam trazio, hvala

Naraj · Post by **Naraj** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:37 pm

Da li kada Aksinya Daclau (gangrelka koja diskarduje master da redirektuje bleed) moze da odigra Sense the Savage Way i onda dskarduje master posto Sense kaze: Only usable by a tapped vampire. This vampire untaps and attempts to block
Mora da blokira, ili ne? Da li je isti slucaj sa terasom?

Ako moj protivnik ima first strike i odigra majesty da li i ja mogu odigrat majesty da bi se otapovao?

Resurrection · Post by **Resurrection** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:00 am

Naraj wrote:Da li kada Aksinya Daclau (gangrelka koja diskarduje master da redirektuje bleed) moze da odigra Sense the Savage Way i onda dskarduje master posto Sense kaze: Only usable by a tapped vampire. This vampire untaps and attempts to block
Mora da blokira, ili ne? Da li je isti slucaj sa terasom?

Mora da blokira.
Tako je i sa terasom.
(Eternal vigilance)

Ako moj protivnik ima first strike i odigra majesty da li i ja mogu odigrat majesty da bi se otapovao?

Combat ends se rezolvuje prvo, a oba imate combat ends. To sto je njegov sa first strike je nebitno.

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:54 am

mislim da gresis. prvo se resolvuju first strikeovi, pa obicni. kao sto neko moze da to iskoristi da ti unisti oruzje, pa da nemas strike sa njim, isto tako kada je taj prvi strike combat ends, do drugog combat endsa ne dodje, jer nakon resolva prvog strika nema vise combata.

Mladizmaj · Post by **Mladizmaj** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:37 am

Vintertid wrote:mislim da gresis. prvo se resolvuju first strikeovi, pa obicni. kao sto neko moze da to iskoristi da ti unisti oruzje, pa da nemas strike sa njim, isto tako kada je taj prvi strike combat ends, do drugog combat endsa ne dodje, jer nakon resolva prvog strika nema vise combata.

Vinter ovo nije magic i vaze drugacija pravila. Svako izabere strike i u slucaju da oba vampira igraju majesty otapuju se. Posle izvesnog vremena videces da je uzaludno protivreciti nasem princu za pravila (ja i Krle smo probali ali nas je potukao svaki put).

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:36 am

Mladizmaj wrote:
Vintertid wrote:mislim da gresis. prvo se resolvuju first strikeovi, pa obicni. kao sto neko moze da to iskoristi da ti unisti oruzje, pa da nemas strike sa njim, isto tako kada je taj prvi strike combat ends, do drugog combat endsa ne dodje, jer nakon resolva prvog strika nema vise combata.
Vinter ovo nije magic i vaze drugacija pravila. Svako izabere strike i u slucaju da oba vampira igraju majesty otapuju se. Posle izvesnog vremena videces da je uzaludno protivreciti nasem princu za pravila (ja i Krle smo probali ali nas je potukao svaki put).

niko nije pominjao magic. to sto vas mrzi da citate rulebook, to je druga stvar. pravila postoje i definisana su. e sad ako hocete da igrate to kao yugioh i kao sto Krle kaze "razbacivanje govana po stolu" to je vasa stvar.

btw. pogresio sam za first stike, ali za to da se jedan ne untapuje mozda i nisam, a evo i izvod iz pravila koja postoje.

6.4.5. Strike Effects

First Strike. A strike done with first strike is resolved before a normal strike. Thus, if the opposing minion is burned or sent to torpor by a strike done with first strike, his strike will not be resolved at all. If the opposing minion was striking with a weapon that is stolen or destroyed with first strike, then the opposing minion simply loses his strike altogether. If both minions strike with first strike, then the strikes are resolved simultaneously. A strike done with first strike will still not resolve before a combat ends effect (which always resolves first), and a dodge still cancels the effects of a strike done with first strike (see below).

Combat Ends. This effect ends combat immediately. This type of strike is always the first to resolve, even before a strike done with first strike, and it ends combat before other strikes or other strike resolution effects are resolved. Combat ends is effective at any range. Combat ends is not affected by a dodge, since dodge only cancels effects that are directed at the dodging minion.

E sad, prema prilozenom prvi combat ends cini da se drugi strike ne resolvuje, jer je combat zavrsen u tom trenutku, sto znaci da ako oba igraju Majesty, moze da se untapuje samo acting vampir.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:30 am

Nije , nego ih ti selektivno citas. Pokazacu ti gde tacno gresis

Combat Ends. This effect ends combat immediately. This type of strike is always the first to resolve, even before a strike done with first strike, and it ends combat before other strikes or other strike resolution effects are resolved. Combat ends is effective at any range. Combat ends is not affected by a dodge, since dodge only cancels effects that are directed at the dodging minion.

Znaci : ti igras combat ends sa first strikeom, a protivnik majesty. prvo se razrese kombat ends efekti, pa tek onda first strike efekti (do kojih ne dodje.) Jasnije?

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:19 am

Pendargon wrote:Nije , nego ih ti selektivno citas. Pokazacu ti gde tacno gresis

Combat Ends. This effect ends combat immediately. This type of strike is always the first to resolve, even before a strike done with first strike, and it ends combat before other strikes or other strike resolution effects are resolved. Combat ends is effective at any range. Combat ends is not affected by a dodge, since dodge only cancels effects that are directed at the dodging minion.
Znaci : ti igras combat ends sa first strikeom, a protivnik majesty. prvo se razrese kombat ends efekti, pa tek onda first strike efekti (do kojih ne dodje.) Jasnije?

Ne ne ne sinak, ti selektivno citas. Ne govorim o first strikeu, to sam rekao da sam pogresio. Kazem da nakon prvog Majestyja NIKAD ne dodje do resolvovanja drugog Majestyja (ne zbog first strike-a nego sto se posle prvog combat endsa drugi strikeovi ne resolvuju) sto se lepo i jasno moze izvesti iz citanja gornjeg posta i izvoda iz pravila.

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:34 am

6.4.3 Strike

During each pair of strikes, the minions first choose their respective strikes (the acting minion first, then his opponent), and then the strikes are resolved. Strike resolution occurs simultaneously, except for a few special cases (see Strike Effects, sec 6.4.5).

Strikeovi jesu istovremeni osim u slucajevima pod 6.4.5, a to obuhvata combat ends strikeove, koji se resolvuju pre strikeova drugog igraca i u kom slucaju nigde ne pise da je izuzetak da taj drugi strike bude combat ends. Znaci, vise nisu istovremeni strike resolutioni i prvo ide prvi Majesty (acting vampira), pa se Majesty reacting vampira ne resolvuje prema 6.4.5 jer se tu kaze da se other strikes ne resolvuju, a to ocigledno znaci "svi ostali" i combat je vec prosao. Kao sto hand strike ne moze da prodje C:SE, ne moze ni drugi C:SE.

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:47 am

a ako neko hoce da proba da ospori prioritet izvrsenja Majestyja (acting vs. reacting) evo:

6.4.1. Combat Sequence

As usual, the acting minion always gets first opportunity to use a card or effect before the opposing minion at every stage of combat.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:53 am

edit: nisam citao sve postove
sorry
oba majestija se rezolvuju i oba se odtapuju.
sad cu da ti i objasnim zasto: strikeovi se ne rezolvuju po stepenima, vec simultano. I do rezolvovanja dolazi istovremeno. Ti odigras combat ends, i on odigra combat ends. Niko tu nema prioritet, i ne ukida tudji majesty

Resolve Strike. The effects of the strikes from both minions are resolved simultaneously.

Naraj · Post by **Naraj** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:04 pm

Neka karta koja daje manevar, a da nije pistolj,deer rifle,zip gun,submachine gun ili Drum of Xipe Totec?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:06 pm

Skoro sve celerity karte

Takodje, ir goggles, light intensifying goggles, kpist, tinglestripe, ruins of villar abbey

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu May 13, 2010 6:51 pm

Imam pitanje vezano za pravila :
Situacija je sledeca : imam miniona A koji ima ex nihilo, sa nesto krvi, i miniona B sa nesto krvi. Imam heidelberg castle u igri. Mogu li da tapujem heidelberg castle da prebacim krv sa miniona B na miniona A bez da to ode u blood bank? Mislim da mogu, jer hiedelberg kaze move, a ex nihilo gain.

Heidelberg Castle, Germany, Master, 2 pool,
Master: unique location. Tap to move blood, equipment cards and/or retainers between any two ready vampires you control. (You choose the amount of blood you move and which cards you transfer. ) Cannot be used during an action.

Ex Nihilo, Action, 1 blood, Necromancy
+1 stealth action.
[nec] Put this card on this vampire. The vampire with this card gets +1 stealth. Damage inflicted by this vampire in combat is reduced to 0, and this vampire is immune to non-aggravated damage. This vampire cannot gain blood; any blood this vampire gains goes to the blood bank instead. During your master phase, this vampire burns 1 blood or is burned. You may choose to burn this card during your untap phase.

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri May 14, 2010 4:38 pm

mislim da ne moze da dobije krv ni na koji nacin. na primer, ne moze ni da dobije od theft of vitae u kombatu, i slicno...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri May 14, 2010 8:15 pm

pa nije bas isto... theft igra vampir da krade krv. Hiedelberg moveuje stvari izmedju dva vampira. Shvatam sta hoces da kazes, ali nejasno je. Probao sam da nadjem ruling, ali je moj internet search-fu slab. Nikice, help?

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:03 am

http://extrala.blogspot.com/2010/06/cut ... -deck.html

Zabavan tekst o velicini deka, i kako odstraniti nepotrebne karte.
Ja nisam autor teksta

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:24 pm

Juce bese odlican dan za VTES-ase - toliko ljudi na jednom mestu a nicim izazvano (bez turnira)
Posle duzeg vremena mogli ste da vidite starijeg vodnika & princezu u akciji, pa jos za istim stolom... doduse Dule je sve izdominirao svojim bloat nosferatuima, ali bese zabavnooo.

Poenta price je - dolazite da se igrate, vune jedne.

Post by **Megabaja** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:50 pm

jel smo ustanovili sta podrazumeva "once per turn" pojam? i ko ce time da se bavi?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:29 pm

Ja sam malo kopao. I bio sam u pravu :-D

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 84c55ec1aa

Dzontra · Post by **Dzontra** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:08 am

E ljudi prodaje li neko uopste karte za VtEs ?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:52 am

Mozes naci (doduse ogranicenu kolicinu) u Sigilu. Imas link za njhovu radnju na ovom forumu.

Post by **Megabaja** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:10 pm

ako ti treba komona uvek mozes da ih dobijes od starijih igraca. znaci, dobijes.. ne kupis...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:32 pm

Naravno, pod uslovom da zapravo dolazis da se igras...

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:35 am

koliko je ljudi bilo u subotu?

sreda je bila vr'. dva stola. vrlo zadovoljan.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:06 am

7 ljudi. Pristojno, s' obzirom da je bio onaj ungodly pljusak....

Post by **Megabaja** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:33 pm

mojsije mi rece za neki draft u nedelju... dajte informacije neke, pa da vidim nekako da svrnem...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:01 pm

Okacio sam u turnir sekciju

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:23 pm

Dule,
pokaci i linkove ka pravilima za draft.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:56 pm

Igrace se po mixed (elder) draft proceduri.
Evo linka ka pravilima :
http://www.white-wolf.com/Vtes/index.ph ... les#sec7.8

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:18 pm

Cisto da znate da je na draftu bilo megazabavno, i veliki ua za sve vune koje su ispalile (i veliki aplauz za sve koji su se iscimali da dodju po jucerasnjoj zegi).