[VtES] Ovladavanje pravilima...

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:23 pm

jel moze neko da baci ono pravilo po kome avenger moze da spali samo jednog cucu po untap fazi?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:47 pm

The reason for this is that The Parthenon follows one of the basic card text paradigms in VtES, namely "During X, do Y". This card text paradigm restricts the use of a card or special ability to once per turn.

I
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 7f51d0475a

ili jos mnogo postova na usenetu, samo uradi search na during x do y na usenetu.
Uvek i samo jednom (inace bi recimo John paleologus sa rackom, hunting groundom papilonom bio instant smrt za preja :-D)

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:11 pm

Malo reda sto se cancellovanja karata tice : Akcije koje su cancelovane se ne placaju, jer se akcija placa tek kada se rezolvuje.
Sve ostalo sto se canceluje se prvo plati, pa se onda canceluje, osim ako karta ne kaze suprotno (kao sto wash, rewind time i neki drugi kazu : no cost is paid).
Ali, recimo, kada Santaleus koristi svoj special da canceluje master, taj master se plati, pa umre :-D
Cisto da ne bude zabune :-D

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 621777ab47

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:51 pm

Radi klarifikacije, kako karte canceluju rotschreck :

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 635007d5d3

Post by **Megabaja** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:28 pm

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 4e65aa84b2

ili ukratko... rewind time ne zabranjuje ponovno odigravanje akcije.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:50 pm

To sam ja vec negde okacio na ovoj temi.

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:01 pm

o, pa ko se to vratio iz Pariza!

kako je bilo, jel' grad svetlosti ispunio ocekivanja? dolazis sutra u klub?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:11 pm

Evo, pre pola sata sam usao u kucu.
Bilo je sjajno, pricacu uzivo

, i necu doci sutra, jer sam bolestan, a i isidori je rodjendan.

Doneo sam vecinu karata koje smo narucili, najgore je , nazalost prosao Sutic, ali Orijan je obecao da ce mu vec (citiram)" iskopati te njegove crap karte koje mu je trazio, jer vidi da su mu za neku kolekciju, a on to posebno ceni, samo , eto nije imao vremena" :-D

Vidimo se u sredu, najverovatnije

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:09 pm

pa ti vidi svrati ako mozes. isidori je ostalo jos dosta rodjendana, a ova vtes subota je jedini 30. april 2011. ikada...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon May 02, 2011 11:41 am

Nije cesto iskrsavalo, ali za svaki slucaj :

If the action simply fails (or is cancelled, or the action is ended
without a block), superior Freak Drive does not allow an untap.

Post by **Megabaja** » Mon May 02, 2011 12:00 pm

zanimljivo.

Post by **Megabaja** » Mon May 02, 2011 12:05 pm

cini se da je neko ukrao krletov dek:

http://hunfragment.blogspot.com/2011/04 ... thday.html

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon May 02, 2011 12:19 pm

Ma da, zlikovac, iskopirao krletovu originalnu kreaciju... stvarno budj od coveka 8-) 8-) 8-)

Post by **Megabaja** » Mon May 02, 2011 12:21 pm

da...

ono sto mene brine je da ce izgleda neko uspedi da popne moje true brujah dekove na TWDA pre mene... jebi ga.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:06 pm

jos ovladavanja pravilima, mislio sam da je ovo zanimljivo :

Posle obediencea nema freak drivea :

Obedience ends the action now (rather than simply canceling the combat).

No action modifiers (like Freak) can be played after the action ends.

posle change of targeta nema macki :

if a vampire playes a wake and blocks and
>the acting minion playes change of target, the blocking vampire can't play
>cat's guidance as the action is ended.

Change of Target ends the action immediately.
You cannot play reaction cards in the absence of an action, therefore
you cannot play Cat's Guidance after a Change of Target.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Tue May 17, 2011 2:11 pm

Da rascistimo nesporazum :

3.32 How does Taste of Vitae work, really?
Taste of Vitae is not a strike card, therefore its effects will work
without regard to
the range of the combat. You may play Taste of Vitae at long range and
gain all of the
blood that your opponent lost to damage in that round of combat.
Taste of Vitae only counts the blood lost to damage, it does not count
the blood spent
paying for the cost of cards, nor will it count the blood lost to a
theft effect like
Darkness Within or Theft of Vitae. Taste of Vitae will not count blood
lost to burn
blood effects like Blood to Water. Taste of Vitae will count blood
lost to damage done
by retainers (Murder of Crows), environmental effects (Weather
Control, Carrion Crows),
the strikes of both minions, and any other blood lost to damage
effects during that round
of combat. Taste of Vitae cannot be used in combat with an ally.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:53 pm

Relativno bitno, a u svetlu skorasnjeg turnira : Diskardovanjem karte i /ili igranjem eventa NE zavrsava discard faza. Pise u osnovnim pravilima, a mi smo lenji da citamo :-D

DISCARD PHASE. [8]

Receive 1 discard phase action.
Take the following steps in any order and combination.
(optional) Use a discard phase action to burn a card from your hand.
(optional) Use a discard phase action to play an event. You can play only one event each discard phase. Each event can be played only once.
Resolve card effects that occur during the discard phase.
Lose any unused discard phase action(s).

Prosto :-D

Post by **Megabaja** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:08 pm

Independent: Arishat has 1 vote (titled). Once each referendum, she may burn 1 blood to force a vampire to abstain. Infernal.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:13 pm

yep, she is a bitch :-D
Imas kokakolu od mene next time :-D

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:39 am

Slucajno nasao , pa se setio Krleta koji je sve vreme tvrdio da nije tako. Kada igras Sudario refraction, ne samo da MORAS da najavis koje karte stavljas na vrh library-a, vec MORAS i da kazes kojim redosledom ih stavljas na vrh library-a ( u slucajevima da ne mozes sve da ih povuces). A i kopao sam po mom starom linku 3 stranice dole u kome LSJ objasnjava o prckanju po groblju, i ruluje da , da bi se skratilo vreme i ubrzala igra UVEK treba jasno i glasno objaviti sta prckas po groblju 8-)

Sudario : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 8d79e15372

Stari link : sa quotom :

LSJ
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Gomi no Sensei wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Damnans <[email protected]> wrote:
> >All those cards allow you to retreive one or more cards from your ash
> >heap. However none of them says explicitly that those chosen cards must
> >be shown to all players. Must they be shown to all players? or, since
> >ash heaps are public there is no need to make that explicit on those
> >cards' texts, and anyone can have a look at them?.

> >Greetings,
> >Damnans

> Two things:

> 1) All the cards below target the card(s) retrieved. These targets must
> be announced, just like a Bum's Rush target.

> 2) Even without (1), the ashheap is public information (as you point out)
> and a simple before-and-after comparison will reveal the targets anyway,
> so there's no reason not to announce the targets anyway, to save time and
> aggravation.

Correct.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:05 pm

Lazes Krle, ponovo lazes, a princ si :-D

Znao sam i juce da sam u pravu, ali da se ne bi raspravljali :
Anouncujes kartu koju trazis sibil's tangom ODMAH, a ne kada se rezolvuje :

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 49c26bdbb6

LSJ
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[email protected] wrote:
> I searched on "Sibyl author:LSJ" and didn't find the answer.

> When do you declare which card you are searching for when you take the
> Sibyl's Tongue action?

> A) When you announce the action.
> B) When the action resolves.

A. [6.2.1]

I, za ubuduce, iz rulebooka, JEDNOM I ZAUVEK : 6.2.1. Announce the Action

All details of the action are declared when the action is announced, including the target(s), the cost, the effects, etc. Any card required for the action is played (face up) at this time. Tap the acting minion (only ready untapped minions can take actions).

EXCEPTION: Any decisions to be made for a referendum are not declared until the action succeeds (see The Political Action, sec. 6.3.1).

I, u svetlu skorasnjeg objasnjavanja , takodje LSJ : Successful bleed = bleed action that resolves successfully for a bleed
amount of 1 or more. Dakle, nema spying missiona na bleed za 0. Evo i objasnjenja :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 7a3de1179a

Resurrection · Post by **Resurrection** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:20 pm

djea
sucessfull bleed = sucessfull action + bleed za bar 1

Post by **Megabaja** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:32 pm

rekoh ti...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:52 pm

Znao sam ja to, ali Krle je "citao negde" da nije tako 8-)

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:54 pm

If people have permanently removed titles with Derange they haven't been playing it legally. Derange only makes the title inert until the character becomes legal for it again (generally by moving the derange).

Post by **Megabaja** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:24 pm

pa ko je igrao tako?

svi efekti direjndza su tu samo dok je i karta tu...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:31 pm

Moji vampiri su gubili titule svojevremeno kad me je bjelajac direjndzovao. 8-)

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:34 pm

Vampiri i titule : I am right, amaravatijev tekst, alamut, foundation exhibit, Legacy of pander i slicno ne cine vampire titlovanim.

> >Imagine that I have a Ventrue Directorate Assembly in play, and that I
> >control Rufina Soledad. Is she considered a titled vampire (since she
> >has 1 extra vote during political actions)?.

> >And what if I have a Legacy of Pander in play? Are my non-titled Pander
> >considered titled (since they now have 1 vote)?.

> No. Just because a vampire has votes doesn't necessarily mean he/she is titled.
> The Ventrue Directorate and Legacy of Pander don't make the appropriate
> vampires titles, just like how Alamut or a Bewitching Oration wouldn't either.

Correct. If a vampire has votes printed on his card (or a title printed on
his
card), then he's titled. [6.3.4]

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... ff34557309
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 4090e451d5

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:50 am

Za neverne tome koje vole da zakljucavaju katance : 3 piva molim!!!

> Q: Do you get to choose when you use Perfectionist? So in the case
> above, you would not use it with Eldest, but then use it on the second
> action?

No. Card text offers no optional-sounding phrase.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 0ed4688f61
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 882775aa94

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:16 pm

I, da, ponovo sam bio u pravu, i od sada vas uopste ne slusam, ikada... Ako pogledate ovu temu, mozda i shvatite zasto. Najnoviji tekst trapa :

Only usable before range is determined on the first round of combat. During the press step, if any Methuselah has played a card earlier in the current round or during the two previous rounds, the Trap automatically provides a press to continue (either combatant can press to end).

Znaci: prva runda (odigran je trap), press to continue od trapa
Druga runda, pres od trapa, bez karata (prva runda bez karata)
Treca runda, bez karata- pres od trapa
Cetvrta runda - nema karata, trap zavrsi....

I stari i novi trap govore isto, samo sa drugacijim wordingom.

Hvala

Post by **Megabaja** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:28 pm

zanimljivo.

EDIT:

i jos nesto... diskusija u vezi arhona...

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... a287093f74

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:01 pm

ne vidim kako je to relevantno. Ovo ima veze sa timingom ARchon investigationa i attempt to block.

Tekst Archon Investigationa :

Master: out-of-turn. Only usable when a minion is attempting to bleed you and the bleed amount is 4 or more. Burn the acting minion. (The action is not successful. )

Znaci cim POKUSA (ne mora uspesno da pokusa), ti mozes da igras AI i on gori...
Nigde nema rec successfully bleed you...

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:34 am

i od sada vas uopste ne slusam, ikada

Be careful Dule.. attitude like this can invoke the rage of DA PADLOCK CHIEFTAIN...

Post by **Megabaja** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:27 am

f a minion cannot pay the entire cost of an action when the action resolves, what cost can be paid is paid, and the action continues with no effect ("fizzles"). [RTR 20011007]

znaci, ako pocnes da vadis iz torpora, pa ostanes na jednoj krvi, dajes i nju, a akcija propada.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:55 pm

A kad smo drugacije igrali?

Post by **Megabaja** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:37 pm

samo radi podsecanja, nista drugo.

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:30 pm

zanimljivo pravilo:

Yawp Court
Type: Master
Requires: sabbat
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Sabbat vampire.
When a political action is successful, before the referendum, tap this card and a ready untapped Sabbat vampire you control to have that vampire enter combat with the acting vampire. If the acting vampire is still ready at the end of combat, the Sabbat vampire takes 2 damage, and the referendum is conducted as normal.

kada se sabat tapuje i udje u kombat, akting odigra sce a sabat psyche!, sabat pije 2, pocne nov kombat, u drugoj rundi ne pije 2, sve i da je akting ostao redi, ALI... ma koliko psajkova odigrao referendum se odigra ako je akting redi. Tako da psajk ne enduje akciju. pa ti vidi.

Post by **Megabaja** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:41 pm

izgleda da je dozvoljeno uzimati opremu sa vampira u torporu...

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... baca59e90f

Resurrection · Post by **Resurrection** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:33 pm

new vtes rulings
http://www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/10- ... -02-dec-11

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:35 pm

Link up nas vtes page na fbooku :-)

Za one koji ne vide - villein ne houzuje minion tap vise, i psyche se igra unutar kombata (ali i dalje se svodi na isto, samo recimo Marthe Dizzier sad moze da ga vrati u ruku po svom tekstu)