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Potrebna mi je mala pomoc oko nacina uvodjena trofeja u igru,tacnije da li je moguce odigrati trofej direktno iz ruke na vampira a da pre toga niste sprzili i li dijablerisali Red List vapmira?
Onako kako ja tumacim pravilo trofeja mislim da nije moguce ali drug koji
ima trofej kartu nikako teska srca prihvata to
:lol: Pa nam je potrebna vasa pomoc da ovo resimo...
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mozes je uvesti u igru... ali ne na vampira. Kako je to master karta, mozes je staviti na sto. Onog momenta kada neki vampir ubije red list vampira, tada mozes na njega staviti trofej koji je ili u igri, ili u tvojoj ruci ili negde u spilu (da, moze i iz spila) ali nikako pre toga. Sta vise (ovo proveriti) mislim da bilo koji metuzelah moze na bilo kog vampira da stavi trofej.
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Rulebook wrote:Trophy: A trophy may be put into play using a master phase action. It has no effect until it is moved to a vampire. When any vampire burns a Red List minion in combat or as a (D) action (including diablerie), the controller of the trophy may choose to move the trophy to that vampire. Any number of trophies in play may be moved to the vampire in this way (in addition to the single trophy that the vampire’s controller may retrieve from her library, ash heap or hand). Once placed on a vampire, a trophy cannot be moved again.
Obrati paznju da ne mozes da iskoristis Trophy ako si dijebleriasao Red List vampira dok je pokusavao da izadje iz torpora vece mora biti (D) akcija.

P.S. A oklen i ti dijete i sto te (i tvoje ekipe) nema u Crnome Zmaju subotom kad se igra VTES?

Ako si uopste iz BG ostavi mi mejl da te savim na mejling listu i da te properly vrbujemo u VTES zajednicu :D
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Da ne kaljamo onu finu temu:

Bili A,B i C i igrali se mudirije i starije krvopija.

I veli A da bliduje B.
B jadan ima jednog vampira i zvacemo ga Boca.
Boca kaza: "Ku's, kurvo e'o ti ga vamo na ovg levo!" i odigra:

a)Deflection.

I sad A bliduje C.
Ako C-eov vampir, Sutic, vrati B-u bleed, Boca moze da pokusa da blokira iako je odigravsi Deflection u malopredjacnjoj situaciji indirektno odustao od blokiranja ali NE moze da ponovo vrati bleed istom kartom, u ovom slucaju Deflection, jer je i dalje u toku ista akcija a samo jedna ista reakciona karta moze da se odigra u toku iste akcije.
Da je B imao jos jednog vampira pored Boce, taj drugi vamp bi mogao da odigra Deflection jer nije odigrao tu kartu za vreme akcije.

b)Lost in translation

I sad A bliduje C.
Na LiT pise "Only one LiT can be played each action" znaci da Sutic moze da vrati blid s cim god hoce sem pomocu LiT jer ga je Boca vec odigrao u toku te akcije.

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A jest', restrikcija je jedna karta PO MINIONU a ne po igracu. Potpuno sam na to zaboravio.
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LSJ wrote:[email protected] wrote:
> On Oct 9, 9:45 am, [email protected] wrote:
>> for example, you can play it during a fight between two other vampires
>> and wait for them to announce both strikes to play Rotschreck on one
>> of the two strikes ^^

> I thought both Psyche! and Telepathic Tracking got round Rotschreck
> now - or has that changed in my absence?

They get 'round the torpor effect, which is what most players are after. The do
not untap effect from the card being in play still applies, however.

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i sta bi bilo? kako bi popio jos jedan aggravated? kad bi trebalo da si vec u torporu?

Super je to sto lsj kaze, ali mi se cini da treba rizolvovati karte po redu, celu po celu, a ne deo rotsreka pa telepatik treking, pa ostatak rotsreka!
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Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat produced by Rotschreck. The target will still go to torpor when combat finally ends. [LSJ 20011205]
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Megabaja wrote:i sta bi bilo? kako bi popio jos jedan aggravated? kad bi trebalo da si vec u torporu?

Super je to sto lsj kaze, ali mi se cini da treba rizolvovati karte po redu, celu po celu, a ne deo rotsreka pa telepatik treking, pa ostatak rotsreka!
S obzirom da je LSJ dobrim delom dizajnirao igru, mislim da bi bio red da mu verujemo :)


I ne, nemam pojam zasto ne ide u torpor ali se ipak ne untapuje kad su ta tri efekta u 3 uzastopne recenice "...Combat ends. This vampire is tapped and sent to torpor. This vampire does not untap as normal..."

Da pise "...Combat ends and this vampire is tapped and sent to torpor. This vampire does not untap as normal...", razumeo bih jer su ta prva dva vezana pa kad otkazes CE onda se otkaze i drugi deo zavisne recenice a untap deo ostaje jer je karta vec stavljena na vampa, ali ovako nemam pojma.
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procitaj drugi post - iznad. To je vazn oza nas kombat.

prvp pitanje je bilo generalno, nevezano za nas kombat, sta se desava kada minion koji je vec u torporu popije agg. demidz?
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Megabaja wrote:
Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat produced by Rotschreck. The target will still go to torpor when combat finally ends. [LSJ 20011205]
Prvo:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=rulings
Telepathic Tracking:
Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat produced by Rotschreck, which will cause the rest of Rotschreck's effect to be lost (no torpor). [RTR 20020501] <-noviji datum

Drugo:
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LSJ wrote:ushiel wrote:
> I looked and looked, and just got a lot of contradictory posts
> about these questions. Sorry to ask again (I'm sure they've come
> up before, numerous times), but I can't seem to find one definitive
> answer...

> Rules clarification on Telepathic Tracking says:
> "Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat
> produced by Rotschreck. The target will still go to torpor when
> combat finally ends. [LSJ 20011205]"

Ruling on Telepathic Tracking says:
Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat
produced by Rotschreck, which will cause the rest of Rotschreck's
effect to be lost (no torpor). [RTR 20020501]

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html

> Rules clarification on Rotschreck says:
> "If combat is continued or a new combat started, then rest
> of the effect of Rotschreck is lost. [RTR 20020501]"

> Can someone explain this to me?

The more recent ruling supercedes the older ruling.
The cited RTR provides more explanation.

> Also, I'm pretty sure of this, but I just want to be positive. If
> vampire A (acting) plays Majesty at superior, and vampire B shoots
> him with an Ivory Bow and plays Rotschreck, vampire A does not get
> to untap, since the Majesty never resolved. Correct?

Correct.

> But: If vampire A (acting) plays Majesty at superior, and vampire B
> strikes with hands, and then plays superior Telepathic Tracking once
> the Majesty resolves, vampire A does untap, since his strike was
> resolved. Correct?

Correct.
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postavio sam pitanje na forumu, i nameravam da ga isteram do kraja - ni jedna karta ne moze da interaptuje drugu, moze da joj skine ceo efekat, ili nista, pola ne moze.

Nisam primetio nista vezano za bilo koji drugi slucaj u igri kada, pola teksta ima efekat, a pola nema.
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Megabaja wrote:procitaj drugi post - iznad. To je vazn oza nas kombat.

prvp pitanje je bilo generalno, nevezano za nas kombat, sta se desava kada minion koji je vec u torporu popije agg. demidz?
Ta situacija ne postoji:
Prvi agg dmg koji se ne preventuje te waunduje tj. na putu si za torpor.
Kad skines sav blood sto treba za naneti dmg onda ides u torpor i tu se kombat zavrsava.

Iliti: Laz uderi za 3 agg.
Nekom je dosadno i kaze: dabijem jeadn agg a ostala 2 preventujem. I zavrsava u torporu (isto kao da je rekao preventujem prva 2 i 3ci primam)
Dmg se rizolvuje jedan po jedan poJen.
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Megabaja wrote:postavio sam pitanje na forumu, i nameravam da ga isteram do kraja - ni jedna karta ne moze da interaptuje drugu, moze da joj skine ceo efekat, ili nista, pola ne moze.

Nisam primetio nista vezano za bilo koji drugi slucaj u igri kada, pola teksta ima efekat, a pola nema.
Podrzavam.
Ali u krajnjem slucaju LSJ ce reci:
"Pogledaj zvanicni ruling. Ah, pa ja sam ga napravio. Sily me. I win!"
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Za razliku od magic-a, cini mi se da karte u VtES-u targetuju i canceluju uglavnom efekte (cancel strike, does not go to torpor i sl.) E sad ako pritom ne canceluju celu kartu koja radi vise efekata, ostali efekti ostaju da lingeruju do njihovog izvrsavanja. U slucaju rostreka, evo ti moje tumacenje: ideja je da se combat zavrsio zato sto je vampir otisao u torpor. E sada, posto su to oni napisali onako kako su napisali, slazem se sa vasim da ako vec ne ide u torpor sto se ne untapuje?

Nacin pisanja pravila na kartama ume da zaista neki put napravi zackoljicu u tumacenju. Nikice, ajde molim te baci pogled na rostrek i vidi slucajno da oce zadnje tri recenice nemaju neku promenu u redu ili tako neku glupost (tipa prvi red su prve dve a drugi red je ova poslednja, as in drugi red kao novi pasus).
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Sta hoces da kazes?
Vampir A nanese vampiru B agg. A odigra rotsrek, B TT. B ako ne priventuje ide u torpor vec u prvoj bez odigravanja druge, iako je bacio TT, koji se koristi u fazi "combat is about to end"? Nije logicno.
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Jok. My bad.
Onaj drugi post se odnosi na situaciju kad se igra Rotschreck na Pulled Fangs pod daring the dawn.

Nema sta da se rizolvje jer je Rot kenselovao strajkove (bar tako veli onaj mladic na ww forumu.)

Preeditovacu gornje postove da ne unose zabunu.
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Kako se razvija situacija sa tim nesrecnim rostrekom?

Side note: camera phone ne moze da se koristi u kombinaciji sa govern the unaligned... smrc :( Za razliku od laptopa ne daje fiksni +1 na bleed vec ti daje da mozes da uradis D +1 bleed akciju.
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Hypodermic wrote:Kako se razvija situacija sa tim nesrecnim rostrekom?

Side note: camera phone ne moze da se koristi u kombinaciji sa govern the unaligned... smrc :( Za razliku od laptopa ne daje fiksni +1 na bleed vec ti daje da mozes da uradis D +1 bleed akciju.
Pa to je toliko apsolutno bjelodano da ne vrijedi pričati o tome. Igračka populacija u zagrebu me skoro proglasila ludim kad sam rekao da je Laptop još uvijek bolji; ali očigledno je da je to istina. 8)
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thezgag wrote: Pa to je toliko apsolutno bjelodano da ne vrijedi pričati o tome. Igračka populacija u zagrebu me skoro proglasila ludim kad sam rekao da je Laptop još uvijek bolji; ali očigledno je da je to istina. 8)
Pazi, sada ti se nudi alternativa za deckove koji ne mogu da imaju bleed akcije (ili bleed modifiere for that matter) koja te ne kosta 1 pool. Hacking ili kako se vec zvao koji je d sa +1 bleed koji mogu svi da igraju je bila akcija. Sada imas tu akciju ugradjenu u opremu, simple.
Sa druge strane, mislim da se laptop nije prestampavao (jos?) u trecoj ediciji (niti u ovim ekspanzijama). Pa su turili ovo.

U decku koji nema nikakve bleed modifiere da li ces naci laptop ili cell phone sada zavisi od toga koliko im je stalo do onog jednog poola koliko kosta laptop.
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Takodjer, mobilni ne daje fiksni plus na bleed pa ona kakosezvase Camarilla politika ne moze da ti sprzi vampira. Mada, nije da iko igra Camarillu.
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Hypodermic wrote:Kako se razvija situacija sa tim nesrecnim rostrekom?
Ovako se razivja:
Telepathic Tracking:
Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat produced by Rotschreck, which will cause the rest of Rotschreck's effect to be lost (no torpor). [RTR 20020501]
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Ja sam se predao:
Uveli su pravilo da tri karte mogu da interaptuju rotsrek, i nece od toga da odustanu. :roll:
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Nije samo tri. Tri plus svaka Abombwe karta koja postoji.
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Cekaj pa zar to nisi i hteo? koliko sam te ja shvatio (priznajem pratio sam sa pola mozga samo), zeleo si da karte ili negiraju celu kartu ili je ne negiraju, a ne da mozes da negiras samo neki deo efekta... ajde sada za mene maloumnog i ludog, oko cega je bila rasprava?
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griter je uneo konfuziju. abombwe kenseluje celu, ove tri je kenseluju na pola :lol: - ostane ti da se ne odtapujes, ali ne ides u torpor.

... a hteo sam da nijedna karta ne moze da kenseluje na pola, ali to nisam dobio...
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A da ja vas ne slusam sledeci put?!
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TheLasombra wrote: <[email protected]> wrote:
>Can you pull a vampires fangs after you play Anesthetic Touch (inferior OR
>superior OBE) to strike hands and end combat?

Yes.
You can also play Disarm.

>Not sure of the timing...just says end of round on the card, which
>could mean press-step (which would be non existant at this time).

For combat to end, the round has to end.
You may play the Pulled Fangs/Disarm at that time.

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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C ... e-wolf.com

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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C ... e-wolf.com

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a jel to znaci da moze i amaranth ako je hand strike aggravated?
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Megabaja wrote:a jel to znaci da moze i amaranth ako je hand strike aggravated?
Mislis onako kao sto si odigra na Ariku juce?
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pre sam mislio kao

obeah+protean> anestetik+claws of d ded+amaranth= palisa?
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Pa definisi pitanje, ne citam misli :)
Megabaja wrote:obeah+protean> anestetik+claws of dead+amaranth= palisa?
Palisa.

EDIT: Postoji i laksa kombinacija:
Dawn operation>anestethic>amaranth
Sto mi dade ideju :twisted:
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Sad pitanje za nas uboge:
Kako spreciti taj lanac? ima li nesto sto moze spreciti amaranth ili anestetic touch?
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aaa...
prevent 1 agg dmg?
dodz?
S:CE?
I naravno Direct Intervention :)

Nije to neki opsan lanac :)
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Vidis, nisam znao da li je anesthetic touch strike karta ili efekat kao ravens od animalizma. A prevent dmg je ocigledan :D

Pitanje - da li amaranth moze da se iskoristi sa rostrekom ili ne? pitam zato sto rostrek prekine kombat pre nanosenja dmg-a i svega ostalog, a ne znam sta tacno pise na amaranth kartici, pa da ne ceprkam po netu kadvec ti znas napamet :)
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NE moze. Rotschreck prekine kombat.
Kombat karte ne mogu da se igraju kad nema kombata.
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NE moze. Rotschreck prekine kombat.
Kombat karte ne mogu da se igraju kad nema kombata.
izuzev naravno, telepathic trackinga i pasychea... :evil:
Pamti, pa vrati...

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Megabaja wrote:
NE moze. Rotschreck prekine kombat.
Kombat karte ne mogu da se igraju kad nema kombata.
izuzev naravno, telepathic trackinga i pasychea... :evil:
Zapravo samo Psyche! krsi to pravilo.
TT se igra "when combat is about to end", dakle jos uvek u kombatu.
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krsi, krsi i TT. jer rotscreck radi efekat combat ends, ne strike combat ends
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Zar camo opet da se uvalimo u besmislenu respravu TT vs Rotschreck?:)

TT ne interesuje iz kog razloga se kombat zavrsava ali iz "when combat is about to end" se vidi da se kombat nije zavrsio sto ce reci da je karta odigrana u kombatu te da ne krsi gorenavedeno pravilo :)
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pa sta ces, kad sve sto regulise odnos staje u jedno pijano popdne LSJ, i sad nema kajanja...
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