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Pendargon wrote:Better to predetermine. That will give players time to test them out, and avoid stupid situations like :" Ooooooh, so THAT'S how this scenario works... but we played it differently now for 4 turns... ummmmm what should we do...?", and : " We are playing a scenario?", and " What scenario?"

Without trying to be rude (and therefore being rude without trying :P ) the WM/H community is not great at making up it's mind. The fact that we have a tournament format that most people are willing to play is a f**king miracle, let's not rock the boat by suggesting scenerios. It'll be decided on the day and we'll take an extra 5 minutes to explain everything VERY VERY clearly. This will be the format for September (if it goes ahead) and so it's best to get people used to it.

I also agree with Shunka and Dule - it would be better to select the scenarios before the tournament.

Izabrati scenarije pre turnira i postaviti na ovaj forum da budu dostupni svima. Scenarije ne birati po glasanju nego Sunka jednostavno postavi tri scenarija iz stimrolera na ovaj topik.

Takodje bilo bi dobro odrediti finalni set pravila za turnir sto pre.

@Rick
The point of discussions is not to determine the options that everyone likes (because it's impossible), but the one that most people find acceptable, even if they have preferences. In the end someone has to make a firm decision - we play so-and-so, and those who don't like it are free not to participate. And hope that enough people turn up.

So, I think we can agree upon these:

We play on 9. VIII. 2009.
There will be three rounds, first will be 500 points, the second 625 points and the third 750.
Each round is to be played with a different list, and the three lists must include different warcasters/warlocks.
We'll be playing Steamroller 4 scenarios - link.

I have no objections to any choice of scenarios - exept those mark in the rules as not suited to games under 1000 points. I'd still pick those three I marked earlier - Process of Elimination, Mosh Pit and Break the Line. Most of the scenarios are quite similar anyway.

Edit:
It would be nice to have some casual play this Sunday in order to test scenario rules.

Okay, i'm all for it.
I'm calling dibs for : 500 pts Iron lich
625 Deneghra
750 EGoreshade

And methinks no baneknights for me in any of lists :-)
Will try scenarios out these days :-D

Shunka wrote:@Rick
In the end someone has to make a firm decision - we play so-and-so, and those who don't like it are free not to participate. And hope that enough people turn up.

Cool and it's great that someone else is making those decisions, it'll be nice just to be a player for once.

For any new players this podcast has some interesting advice for creating tournament lists and also tournament tactics;
http://www.boosteddamage.com/
Click on Episode 4
The first half is pretty unimportant but it gets to the point after about half an hour.

Samo nemojte da odredite u kojoj rundi se igra koji scenario sve ostalo je svejedno.

Sto ne?

Slazem se sa nikicom
Evo da objasnim : Ako se zna u kojoj se rundi igra koji scenario, onda ce za mosh pit, npr, svi kadoranci spremiti svoju listu sa vladom i devastatorom, svi cygnarci dariusa, svi mercovi gortena i svaki circle baldura. To dovodi do mirror matcheva koji nikada nisu zabavni. Zato sam ja lepo napisao sa kim igram koju rundu, da se nikica, stef i ja (potencijalno), ne uduplamo sa casterima, varijetea radi. Redosled scenarija bi (po mom skromnom misljenju) trebalo odrediti na random, pre pocetka turnira, kada ljudi predaju liste :-D

Shunka wrote:Pri cemu da se igra prvo Process of Elimination, pa Mosh Pit, i na kraju Break the Line.

Which is why I said decide on the day. Predetermining scenerios doesn't help noobs it helps experienced players. In larger steamroller events the scenerios are published before hand but players must have submitted their two lists before the scenerios are published and if they don't they can be penalised tournament points. In Mosh Pit facing Deneghra with Bile Thralls is extremely difficult and it is impossible if you're facing a good player and Cryx goes first.

Aj onda da ne igramo Mosh Pit ako je taj scenario problematican

Ako je turnir 9. VIII, ja na zalost necu moci igrati...

@Stefaz
A 8.?
Koliko sam ja razumeo pravila za GenCon, odredi se ko sa kim igra, igraci izaberu listu za taj mec (prema protivniku), a onda se vuce scenario.

Zekina banda wrote:Aj onda da ne igramo Mosh Pit ako je taj scenario problematican

No I don't think that's the solution. I think the best option is to pick 6 scenerios and roll a d6 before each event to decide which is played for example;
1 Mosh Pit
2 Contested Ground
3 Destruction
4 Process of Elimination
5 Assassins
6 Break the Line
That way each scenerio can be planned for but each list has to be a little rounded.

Samo da proverim. Pravimo tri liste od 750 poena sa tri razlicita vorloka/vorkastera, pa ih srezemo pred bitku na 500/625.
Mozda bi bilo interesantno da liste u stvari budu od 800 poena? (Iz razloga sto neke stvari ne rade protiv Hordi, a neke ne rade protiv mashina).

ne.
napravis jednu listu od 500, jednu od 625 i jednu od 750.
to je to.

Onda ne mozes da biras kastera pre svake runde, a koliko se secam, u Gencon pravilima je naglaseno da se kaster bira pre svake runde (kad vec znas protiv koga igras).

Ne, ne mozes da biras kastera pre svake runde, nego unapred odredis sa kim igras koju poentazu :-D
Ne , ne radi tako ni na genconu, tamo je dozvoljeno da imas dve liste, pa onda biras koju ces listu kada vidis sa kojom ARMIJOM igra protivnik
8)
edit : a kakve veze ima, posto se ne takmicimo za titulu gospodara univerzuma :-D ?

Nema veze, nego htedoh da pravim liste :D

Evo, ponovo sam procitao za Gen Con. Prave se dve liste sa razlicitim kasterom za svaku poentazu, pa pred rundu odlucis sa kojim ces da igras.
DA ne bi zbunjivao ljude, dakle:
Tri liste, tri kastera, 500-625-750

My only regret is i will get to play only one Epic Warcaster that day
This should be one cool tourney.

Koji su scenariji u opticaju na kraju, oooo organizatori?

Sutra cemo malo da se igramo scenarija, pa cemo odluciti posle toga.

Und?

Poslao sam Ines mail sa propozicijama turnira. Ona treba da se bavi zvanicnom objavom.
Ukratko, igraju se tri od 4 scenarija (koja tri i redosled utvrdjuje se na licu mesta, nakon sto svi predaju svoje liste):

Mosh Pit
Destruction
Process of Elimination
Break the Line

Potrudicu se nekako ove nedelje da napravim objektive za Destruction (nesto mi se cini da ce to biti gomila kartonskih kutija na kojima pise 'unutra je warjack'). I bicu tuzan ako se ne bude igrao.
Od ostalih stvari:
Pobednik se gleda prema broju Tournament Poena aka pobeda. Racunace se i VP razlika (na kraju svake partije dobijas broj VP-a koje si ubio, pa oduzmes VPe koje je protivnik ubio tebi), za razvrstavanje igraca sa istim brojem pobeda.
Vreme za partiju je 90, 105 i 120 minuta. Kad istekne vreme igra se do kraja kruga.
Vreme poteza nece se strogo kontrolisati, ali apelujemo na ucesnike da sami paze da ne odugovlace, i da se drze na oko 10-15 minuta po potezu.

Sta jos ima bitno da se utvrdi?

Ne kraju je 8.8 ili 9.8 i koliko sati?

9. VIII 2009.
Za sate nisam siguran. Ono, ne bi bilo lose da pocnemo oko 11h, dakle najaviti pocetak sat vremena ranije da bi ljudi dosli...

Shall we say a 12.15 start as the club opens at noon?

Just as an aside. The voting for the tournament actually listed as many votes for the 500 pt simple event as it did for the 3 match "masters" event. I think the Masters is a much better idea but for those who may turn up and wanted something a little less heavy I do still suggest we include the Assassins scenerio into the mix so first time tournament players have a chance of playing a scenerio they have already practiced.

Rick, every scenario also plays as caster kill. I played three games with Bojan the other day and the scenario played no impact at all, since all matches were over by turn three... Basicaly scenarios are used to resolve the winner if both casters survive...

Shunka wrote:Rick, every scenario also plays as caster kill. I played three games with Bojan the other day and the scenario played no impact at all, since all matches were over by turn three...

Iznenadjenje?

Basicaly scenarios are used to resolve the winner if both casters survive...

Narano da ce biti cesce pobede na kill ali je interesantnije kad postoji i drugi nacin da pobedis i sprecava bezaje protivnika po stolu.

Par nedoumica koje imam vezano za trunir :

Sta je bolje za Epic Vlada - Kajazu Assasins ili Iron Fang pikemen?

Sta ide bolje uz P. Vlada - Devastator ili Beast?

1) oboje
2) devastator za scenarije, beast za pure killines

Ocemo rezultate!

Clarification on the Black 13th stacking damage;

http://www.privateerpressforums.com/ind ... ack+damage

What is the strengh of the B13 first hit?

How far was that troll you hit?

Pow 10+2d6 first hit.
Pow 11+2d6 2nd hit.
Pow 12+2d6 3rd hit.
Pow 13+2d6 4th hit.
Pow 18+2d6 chain attack.
Distance was about 20" away.

That`s the way things work concerning power of the hit. Thank you for the clarification.
Did you use long shot or only snipe + movement for that shot?

When I zapped painbringer's impaler it was snipe plus long shot.