Jos Rumora!

[Giga]

Nazalost, ovih dana su skoro svi zli kada se udruze sa gardom. :lol:

Sto se tice CSM vs DA, ne mislim uopste da je CSM tu autolose, pogotovo ne ako uzmu gardijske ili chaos daemon saveznike.

Jos sam gledao codex i ono sto mi se mnogo dopada je sto librariani kostaju 65 poena i mozes da im uzmes 4++ za 15 poena ili 3++ za 25 (plus dobijas jos neke bonuse). Pritom svaki HQ moze da uzme command squad, ne samo kapetani. Nadam se da ce i vanilin dex, jednog lepog dana kada izadje, imati tako nesto. :]

[Giga]

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/01/ ... ement.html

Opet rumor o flier supplementu o kome se prica vec dugo... Ali sada spominju i da ce potencijalno flieri svi dobiti preradjena pravila za sestu ediciju (dakle mozda izbalansiraju loltalon, vendetu, itd.) + spominje se stormraven za vanila marince i black templare. :D

[ZergLord]

Wishlisting.

[deka]

[Giga]

Deluje mi bas fejk posto je to minimalno preradjena slika stormravena iz white dwarfa, ali nada umire poslednja. :]

[Telion]

Mislim da je ovo ipak Stormtalon, za pocetak..i njegova "official" slika, koja se, da, nalazila kada su izasla pravila za njega u White Dwarfu.
A vrlo je moguce da izadje nesto ovako, jer nam je Dule rekao da u martu izlaze jos neki flyeri, i u kampanji "Crusade of Fire" dati su neki spec. rule-ovi za Dogfights izmedju 2 letaca itd itd..mada ko zna.

[Giga]

Jest, stormtalon htedoh reci.

Koliko ja vidim jako puno igraca se buni zato sto gomila vojski u 6th edu nema flyere, niti valjanu odbranu od njih. Tako da je GW-u laka para sada da objavi ovako nesto i proda gomilu novih i starih aviona postojecim kupcima, zato i mislim da ovde ima vise od wishlistinga.

[Giga]

DEATH FROM THE SKIES navodno oficijelan. O.o

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/01/its- ... eit+212%29

[Hypodermic]

Stormraven za sve marince? wishful thinking again, jer onda stormtalon niko nece kupovati. Sem ako ne naprave da je stormtalon dostupan i BA, a da stormraven usled svoje glomaznosti ne moze da gadja flyere.

[Giga]

Mjok, dovoljno je da stormtalon bude namesten sa ovim dogfight pravilima da ubija flyere efikasnije od stormravena i da kosta tipa 160 poena, a da stormraven bude vise leteci assault transport of 220-250 poena i eto ti dovoljno razlike u pravilima da ni jedan od ta dva aviona ne bude ,,univerzalni" flier, nego da moras da razmislis koji ti od ta dva vise treba u listi, ili da uzmes oba.

[Hypodermic]

stormraven ce kostati vise od 200 poena onda kada clot land raider bude kostao vise od 250. Not gonna happen

[Giga]

Ja mislim da je 200 poena ocigledno zaostala cena iz vremena kada je bio skimmer. Sa flier pravilima stormraven najopustenije vredi 220-250 poena, pogotovo sada kada sluzi i kao anti-flier i kada imas u vidu da marincima flying transport nije ni priblizno riskantan kao drugim vojskama.

Ugl, videcemo kako ce GW da presudi. :]

[deka]

Kako si ti opterećen flajerima... 8O 8O 8O

[Mrzimsvee]

This last week we had a huge insurgence of rumors regarding Tau, and whispers of Daemons just beyond the veil. Both Chaos Daemons and Tau are coming soon.




Piercing the veil of the etherium, daemonic whispers break the silence of the void. They are coming, and when the furies of hell are unleashed upon us, there are few that can stand before them. Stand fast, hold to the Emperor's words, and pray that your will is strong enough to weather the coming storm.




Chaos Daemons

Chaos Daemons are rumored to be a full codex release just around the corner, with pre-orders said to be at the end of the month. We have heard little of what will be released, and this week, rumors are showing us two separate waves. One alongside the codex, and one later this summer.





from Stickmonkey

Wave 1 alongside the codex

BloodThirster/Skarbrand (plastic)
Great Unclean One (plastic)
Chariot of Khorne/Herald of Khorne/Khorne Cannonade (anyone remember the old epic Doom Blaster)
Plague Flies of Nurgle
Palanquin of Nurgle/KuGath upgrade/Herald of Nurgle
Fiend of Slaanesh
There is also word of a named Daemon Prince and several smaller finecast models as well.




Wave 2 penciled in for June


Keeper of Secrets/(Named GD of Slaanesh)
Lord of Change/Fateweaver
Furies/(Chaos ground daemons...I've heard this alternate kit unit has an "unstable" rules granting them an extra save, a 12" teleport, and a chance to lose models (determined randomly).
Hounds of Khorne
An all new Tzeentch Flyer... (NOT the Heldrake)
Chariot of Tzeentch/ Flame cannon alt kit)







Tau


There has been a lot of rumors coming about Tau. Most of it seems to be playtest rules from late last year. While a lot of it comes from Stickmonkey, I have included bits from Faeit 212 (a couple different anonymous sources).




Psychic Defense

Tau having little presence in the warp, get a re-roll for Deny the Witch.

Tau in Suits get a 5+ Deny the Witch




Kroot Monster

Expensive and short lived, as its a CC beast the size of a Maulerfiend

Monstrous Creature with Trample Attack: 3d6 causes 2d6 S6 AP6 wounds




Uber Suit

Playtest statlines WS3 BS5 S5 T7 W3 I3 A2 L8

Plasma weapon with ignore cover

It's a mobile weapon platform, with rail guns as it's main weapon system, - which can be upgraded to a plasma weapon system or ion cannons. Classified as monstrous creature. 2+/4++ save. It can forgo shooting and movement to gain 2++ save. The Uber can move as jump infantry if it does not shoot it's main weapons.




Fire Warriors

BS3 but can be upgraded to BS4 with a 50pt squad leader




Ethereals

Grant various army wide special rules, similar to Dark Angel banners




Kroot

Scout, Furious Charge, Move through Cover

Kroot Hounds and Kroot Hawks

Shaper unlocks additional upgrades




Sneaky Kroot (obviously not the name)

An elite type unit that can hide in terrain like Ymgarl Genestealers




Vespid


The maligned bug men are redeemed! Big improvements, weapon range increase, point reduction, hit and run.




Fortifications

Deep striking turrets as fortification options. Burst cannons or missile pods options.





Stealth Suits

Models unchanged. Have stealth, plus optional drone granting shrouding.




Sky Ray

Flakk missiles, plus has orbital bombardment (much like SM version, but with a lingering effect).


orbital blast ability. sky ray has to forgo his full turn

strength X AP 3 (wound on 2+,plasma corrosion, blast) plasma corrosion - any enemy model hit under the blast rolls a d6 every turn for the remainder of the game on a roll of 1-3 the unit or model suffers d6 strength 4 AP5 hits. On a roll of 4-5 the unit suffers 2d6 strength 5 AP 4 hits. On a roll of a 6 the unit is hit with 2d6 strength 6 AP 2 hits with the blind special rule. (these are test rules and subject to change)




Equipment

Drones: Any drone can be used for Look Out Sir rolls for any model in the unit they are attached to.




Markerlights

A single hit increases BS of all other units targeting the victim by +1. Multiple markerlights have no additional effects. OUCH - look out for possible BS:5, Fire Warrior volleys now! Markerlights improve snapfire against marked flyers to 5+ instead of 6, but must first hit the flyer with a 6 themselves.




Networked Markerlights

A longer range twin linked version. Vehicles only.

[deka]

*New Apocalypse book set for release in June/ July
*Contents Include
-Rules for 6th edition including new point costs
-New formations including flying squadrons
-New Asset Card
-New Scenarios
-Battle Reports

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/

[Giga]

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/02/ ... -week.html

Death from the Skies inbound this week. O.o

[Hypodermic]

Pa, vise nije rumor, eno ga u advanced orderu. I Storm Raven je zaista dostupan regularnim marincima. A Storm Talon nije za BA. Toliko o Storm talonu. Jos da vidimo point cost za Stormraven u svim armijama (kao i neke nove sitnice koje nude?) kao i da li su pravila update update, ili je ekspanzija u pitanju pa pravila vaze samo u ekspanziji.

I... nema nista za tiranide o.O

[Giga]

There are rules for using the Stormraven Gunship with a Codex: Space Marines and Black Templars army; updated rules for the range of Warhammer 40,000 Flyer models, including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes: Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines.

Ostaje samo da se vidi da li ovo updated znaci da su konkretno rebalansirana pravila ili su samo ubacili stvari iz FAQ-a.

[Hypodermic]

Ostaje da se vidi da li se ova pravila uopste mogu koristiti u regularnim partijama jer je samo direct order

[Giga]

Iz novih faq-a:

Q: Land Speeder Storms, Stormraven Gunships and Stormtalon
Gunships are all listed as Space Marine vehicles in the Reference
section. Does this mean that every Space Marine Chapter now has
access to these vehicles as well (i.e . Space Wolves, Blood Angels,
Grey Knights etc.)? (p411)
A: No – you may usually only select units and vehicles that are
available in the army list section of your codex. The two
exceptions are the Stormtalon and Stormraven Gunships,
which are available to armies chosen from Codex: Space
Marines and Codex: Black Templars. The rules for using these
Flyers can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium.

Deluje mi oficijelni dodatak vanili/bt-u, ne kao opcioni suplement.

[Hypodermic]

Gigo, ispalo je da si (delimicno) u pravu:
Knjiga je opcioni suplement (sa svim onim ostlaim pravilima koje stizu u njoj), ali stormraven update za sve marince je official. Drugim recima, knjigu ne moras da kupujes da bi znao kako sta radi (sem ako si vanila, pa ti treba point cost za stormravena). Mislim, "ne moras" Ne verujem da ce je traziti na turnirima da je posedujes ako koristis SR uz vanile. Zar ne, nece? :D

MEDJUTIM... otvoti IG FAQ (da, svi FAQovi su updateovani zbog Death from the Skies). Ajde sto su i stormraven i valkyre/vendetta izgubili deepstrike, Valkyre vise NEMA SCOUT.

[RatGod]

Boco nije imala scout otkako je izasla 6 edicija, a ako je SR izgubio DS onda mi je nekako i ne vise tako dobar.

[Hypodermic]

Pa znas koliko cesto citam IG faq :P samo sam video da je i taj deo ljubicasto ofarban (znaci nov), pa rekoh... da prenesem :P

[Giga]

Sta ce deepstrike stormravenu sada kada je flier, pa ionako moze maltene bilo gde na tabli da stigne cim udje iz rezervi, a da ne reskira mishap?

Ugl, bas mi je drago za vanilaravena. :]

[Hypodermic]

"Due to exceptional demand Death From The Skies is out of stock - it has quite literally flown off the shelves in our warehouse. Never fear though, because the print servitors have already set to work on a new print run - we'll let you know on the product page and here on White Dwarf Daily as soon as the book becomes available again"

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA :D

[Telion]

Znaci, sad uskoro ce da se pojavi scan.. :D

[Giga]

Znaci, sad uskoro ce da se pojavi scan.. :D

Kaze se, Pirate Bay Edition. :D

[Knight]

vidi vidi
Ultra marinci sa 6 flajera
gde je taj nekronski leteci cirkus da mu slomim nogu =D

[Giga]

Lik postovao na B&C-u:

ase Storm Talon got cheaper, with Lascannons and Typhoon Missiles going up in cost and Skyhammer going down

Storm Raven stays the same price-wise with weapon options, equipment got a bit cheaper. BA and GK keep their special missiles, SM and BT get Stormstrike Missiles (Str8, AP2, concussive, one use only). It has a Designer's Note basically saying that BA and GK use the base rules presented in the book, though their codex entries have additional rules and options, the army list entry in the back of the Compendium goes over those too. But from what I see, they basically remain the same as their codex.

Besides the FAQ rules changes, as far as I can see all other flyers in the book remain the exact same (bar a couple of rule rewordings).

Stormtalon jeftiniji. Vanila/BT stormraven sa concussive raketama, sto ce biti divno protiv letecih monstrous creaturesa. Zelim. O.o

[deka]

Ja ne želim, ja imam dva mala i jedan veliki jeroplan... 8-)

[Hypodermic]

Mislim da promena sto se BA i GK Ravena tice nece biti, sem da i njihove rakete dobiju concussive. Posto su iovako dodali u FAQ kako im se menja nacin izbacivanja trupa dok se krecu, pitanje je samo sta je (if anything) pojeftinilo od opreme.

Skoro totalno nebitno, ali meni interesantno: ako kaze da BA koriste knjizicu, to znaci da je to jedino vozilo koje sada uvek ima searchlight za BA? :D

[Giga]

Sa ytth-a, u vezi GK stormravena:

Originally, I thought there was no difference. The DftS FAQ puts our SR back to FA (not Heavy) and forces us to take Mindstrike missiles.

But on closer investigation, the SR from DftS differs *significantly* to the GK version. It’s;

Cheaper by 5 points

Loses The Aegis, Psychic Pilot and Fortitiude.

Loses Warp Stabilisation Field, Truesilver Armour, Teleport Homer and Psyboly Ammunition options.

Gains 10 point cheaper (!!) Extra Armour and a Locator Beacon option that 5 points cheaper than the current Teleport Homer.

Cene extra armora/beacona su valjda iste za sve stormravene u dtfs-u.

Takodje, ljudi na B&C-u spominju da sada stormtalon sa onim str7 raketama kosta 125 poena. :D Lascannon/typhoon apgrejdovi su navodno poskupeli.

[Giga]

Skies of Fury: If the Stormraven has moved more than 6″,
passengers can still disembark, but they must do so as follows:
Nominate any point over which the Stormraven moved that
turn and deploy the squad as if it were deep striking onto that
point. If the unit scatters, every disembarking model must
immediately take a Dangerous Terrain test. If any of the
models cannot be deployed, the entire unit is destroyed, as per
a Terrible Accident result on the Deep Strike Mishap table.
Models that disembark using the Skies of Fury special rule
cannot charge in the turn that they do so.

Sada moze da se "iskace" iz leteceg stormravena. :]

Pritom ako doticni ima locator beacon, onda modeli koji iskacu iz njega (u dometu locator beacona, dakle 6" od baze valjda) ne scatteruju? Sada proverih, ne moze, mora locator beacon vec da bude na stolu na pocetku turna da bi mogao da se koristi. Oh well, i dalje nije losa ideja deep strikeovati passengere u turnu kada stormraven stigne ukoliko postoji ozbiljna opasnost da ce isti biti oboren.

[Hypodermic]

Um, gigo, uvek je moglo da se iskace iz leteceg stormravena :D to su imali i oni i valkire jos od kad su se pojavili. I u sestoj su imali, samo mi to kod nas nismo koristili jer je mnogo riskantno. Lakse je da predjes u hover pa onda disembark pa assault.

[Hypodermic]

Novi demoncici :D










Odrzavaju tempo od jedna nova knjiga mesecno, me like

[Giga]

Neko mi je na proslom turniru rekao da ne mozes da iskaces iz leteceg stormravena, nego MORAS da predjes u hover mod cak i za to, pa sam se zato zbunio.

[No 1]

Jel beše rekoše da stormtalon sad košta 100 poena?

[deka]

Koliko sam ja video, Stormtalon je sada 110 poena sa Assault Canonon-on i teškim bolterima...

Bar tako piše ovde:

[Giga]

Daj i stormravena. :D

[deka]