Jos Rumora!

[Hypodermic]

The Swarmlord: This guy is immortal (in the fluff. the Hive saves his consciousness when he dies and makes him again. He's their answer whenever an enemy appears unbeatable.).

O.o

Say what now?! ovo je iz fluff-a? ...ok, ovo ce biti ako nista drugo zanimljivo stivo za citanje.

Sto se tice rumora za BA, negde se spominje da ce samo pdf kodeks da malo vise doteraju za petu i da ce njega da stampaju... nadam se da se to neko jako lose sali...

[ZergLord]

Sto se tice rumora za BA, negde se spominje da ce samo pdf kodeks da malo vise doteraju za petu i da ce njega da stampaju... nadam se da se to neko jako lose sali...

Neko se sigurno sali, ne brini.

[deka]

Alo bubičari, eve Vam kako izgledaju nove bube, pa malo slinite dok ne stignu do nas :lol: :lol: :lol:
oko 7 minuta novih buba...

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/9PqVnlnb6QBI

[PeraNekron]

Ura za plasticne ravenere! \:D/ \:D/

[deka]

Trygon assembly, and size comparation...
http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/Ie ... ewscontent

[Hypodermic]

Blood angel rumors continue:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/01/ ... dbits.html

Neke od ovih stvari totalno nemaju smisla. Frankenstajn-like mnostrous creature za HQ? Sta, inkorporiracemo sve moguce horror motive u jedan marinacki chapter? Mozda onaj leteci sismis mount kojeg je neko nacrtao i nije toliko daleko od istine.

Sa druge strane, ako BA scouts zaista budu imali madmax/fallout izgled, bice mnogo dobro (ako ubodu izgled kako treba, that is)

[opsidiannight]

Predviđam armiju skauta.
"It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all outta gum".

[Giga]

Pa pazi, ne bi me cudilo da novi BA budu totalno u horor motivima iz svih postojecih i nepostojecih horor filmova i knjiga od frankenstajna pa nadalje.

Realno, trenutno se BA "codex" maltene uopste ne razlikuje od vanille (kako sada stoje stvari, i BA i DA mogu mirne duse da se svedu na dva-tri specijalna karaktera u vanilla dexu), tako da bi zapravo bilo do jaja da ih ucine maximalno razlicitim od vanille u svakom pogledu (kao sto su ucinili sa SW-ovima), a to je najbolje poceti od tematike.

[Giga]

E, sada mozete da kupujete bitze za svoje nidze. :D

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... 1-Tyranids

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... 1-Tyranids

[PeraNekron]

Meni se svidja sto ce biti opcija za successor chaptere. Ali...6 vrsti dreadnoughta? Precera ga...I sta je bre ono monster HQ??

[PeraNekron]

Jos BA rumora:

So I saw this on a German site (linked into from Warseer)...
plastic boxes:
Blood Angel Assault Squad
Honour Guard
Land Raider Tantalus (or Tantalus Lander, depending on Stories)

Rules:
army wide special rule: Furious Charge
9 Unique Characters, 7 Blood Angels, 3 variants of Tycho
Mephiston over 300 points!
cybots: cheaper
Furioso AV 13, normal: fast attack, venerable: elites
Scouts: fleet of foot, without sergeant: rage
Assault Squad: troops
Tactical Squad sergeant: Devastor weapons twin-linked if fired at targets in proximity to auspex
Honour Guard and veterans one entry, lots of options, may assault after deepstrike
new fast attack with wings, S5 weapons, stormbolters an fall back
death company fully optional, not bound by number of squads
Devastor: lascannon cheaper than space wolves
new Land Raider with lots of assault cannons (less likely, Tantalus lander rumor taking shape)

"With an almost legendary reputation for the speed and ferocity of their assaults, expect brutal Deep Strike attacks, super-charged Rhinos and a whole host of exciting new options." (www.games-workshop.com, retrieved Jan 12 2010)

Does exciting new options mean things like a new Land Raider Variant with perhaps 3x TL assault Cannons? Or other goodies we may have dismissed earlier?
Source:www.gw-fanworld.net page 20, post #197
1) It turned out that most of the Tyranid stuff from Germany was true. I think We can think of this as preview, some of it wrong, most of it right.Either someone is very good at taking snippets and piecing them together without making mistakes, or has learned how to pick through GW's garbage exceptionally well.

2) I'm going to take this data and conjecture what we can about the likely army list unless there's an FOC modulation as there was with SWolf HQ's.


I'm doing this to project what we know, what we have from the rumors, and what we are sure to be pushed to buy into a coherent whole. I'm trying to leverage the unique points of BA as I recall them...in the SW dex everything that was special about the wolves got its amps turned up to eleven. We have no reason to think otherwise.

Call this a wishlist if you like. I call it an intelligence assessment.
(CONJECTURAL)
HQ:
(from BunBun @ warseer
Dante- As is now but axe will be +1S. Can take an honor guard assault squad.
Lemartes- Can restrain the Death company.
Corbulo- Will allow unit he joins to be Fearless and Feel no Pain. Grail counts as a holy relic.
Moriar- Death Company Venerable Furioso Dreadnought. Nearly duble the number of attacks of a normal dreadnought.
Tycho- Gives preferred enemy against Orks.
Sergeant special character- No details as yet.
(end BunBun)
Captain (unlocks and honor guard (conjecture); unlocks troop bikers per SM dex (conjecture).
SC's etc. (Conjecture, some kind of character that enhances flamers; makes dreads scoring, etc.)

ELITE
Veterans/Honor Guard
(rumored elsewhere from biglou) SC dread w/1-3 bodyguard of other dreads (deathco), takes up a heavy slot too.
Terminators that are esp. good at teleports (noted in press release text)
Venerable (Venerable Furioso)
Scouts? (might end up in Troops or FA; they're fleet, which is interesting.
Techpriest (incl. special one ordered.
Unholdt and Tech Buddy: this appears to be one of the release boxes, an SC

NEW 1/14: techmarine with an MC mega-servitor (or mutant marine) buddy. The MC is said to be armed w/a "4 barrelled cannon" on its right arm, if this means an Assault Cannon or some kind of special weapon, can't say. Given that the rest of the list lacks a large blast weapon (or at least large blast is crowded out, who's gonna take a whirlwind with all this cool stuff?, we may see it here

TROOPS
Assault Squad, some # of free p'pistols and two Assault weapons. conjecture: Storm shield option for sgt.
Tacsquad with Auspex sgt, supercharged rhinos. NEW 1/14: removed hypothesis on dedicated LR.
Conjecture: Cheaper upgrade on Razorback to Heavy flamers/assault cannon.
Scouts? (with a box set on release this is going to have some push to it, don't know if it will be an abundance or a quality push). NEW 1/14: possibility of dedicated LSS.

FA
Squad with wings (exalted assault sqad) (likely vampire angel aesthetic) will DS, Storm Bolters, S5 sword (frost axe analogue). (conjecture: likely to have an invulnerable save).
Land Speeder Storm with (at least) fluff on scouts riding to hackzone in it. Possible rule allowing scouts to disembark/assault on turn of landing (I believe that Codex marines can't?). Possible rule allowing cerebus launcher to affect other nearby squads.
Furioso Dread, has fleet, maybe hellhound template projection ability (or upgrade to it).
(possibility of Baal pred here when unlocked by a character)
Scout bikers with extra mad max flavor. Conversion required, (no release) so not likely to be anything amazing.
Bikers...perhaps P'cannon or Heavy flamer option on the attack bike. CCW likely standard (unlike marine bikers)
(NEW 1/14) The Tantalus Lander. This theory keeps holding more water the more I look into it. Armed with a pair of ACs underneath (at least) and maybe a pair of MLs. As we never saw the Raven Guard lander from FW we were expecting, and so many people have heard of 'a plastic thawk' this year, this think is the convergence of all those ideas. Some suggestion that the box has Ultramarine paintjob, indicating that all chapters might get access via Battle missions.

HSUPP
(NEW 1/14, this has lost water in favor of the lander theory) Fancy Land Raider (with assault cannons?)
Fancy Devastators with cheap LC, (CONJECTURE) maybe ability to shoot from moving rhino. Buffed shooting from tac squad auspex.
Ironclad Dread (with the push for dreads this will land here, perhaps with an option for a hellhound weapon)
Baal Pred, possibly with new sponson options or POMS. Possibility of swapping turret w/Assault cannons for a hellhound weapon.

[Fenjer-paša]

FA
Squad with wings (exalted assault sqad) (likely vampire angel aesthetic) will DS, Storm Bolters, S5 sword (frost axe analogue). (conjecture: likely to have an invulnerable save).

Wut?!

[ZergLord]

FA
Squad with wings (exalted assault sqad) (likely vampire angel aesthetic) will DS, Storm Bolters, S5 sword (frost axe analogue). (conjecture: likely to have an invulnerable save).

Wut?!

[PeraNekron]

Ma Mephiston Jedi Caballero od preko 300 poena. :D

[Giga]

Evo jos BA rumora sa BoLS-a.

Force Organization Chart
Blood Angel FOC is divergant from the Ultramarine one:
-Dreadnoughts are heavy support.
-Furioso Dreads with droppods are fast attack.
-Twin scout entries are both elites, but one is scoring.
-Only dedicated ground transport is the Rhino (Razorbacks are out)
-Assault Squad and Tactical Squad are troops.
-Honour Guard can be troops if fielded with Dante.
-Jump pack units are in every FOC category except heavy support and HQ:
--Assault Squad - troops
--Honour Guard - elites
--Exalted - fast attack

Death Company is 0-1 and doesn't need a slot in the FOC

Units Rules
Tantalus Lander is a dedicated transport for everything in the army except tanks, Land Speeders and Exalted. Its weaponry is: 2 twin-linked assault cannons, 1 twin-linked special weapon.

Land Raider: Redeemer, Crusader and Standard

Terminator sergeants can get close combat wargear. There is a Terminator upgrade to allow shooting in an enemy phase.

Exalted: 4/4/4(5)/4/1/5/1+1/10/3+, jump troops, hit & run, furious charge, no red fury/combat tactics, power armor, stormbolter, power weapon, bolt pistol, no options, no transports.

Quite angelic: masterfully crafted slim armor, jump packs, mechanical wings, masks, long hair.

Named Characters
Erasmus: Furious charge, digital weapons (rending), master crafted combi melta: 18" S:8 AP:1 Assault 1, melta, reroll to hit, 4+ ward save, can chose one set of special rules:
-squad ignores red fury
-red fury and preferred enemy
-rage and feel no pain

Mephiston: 7/7/5/5/3/7/4/10/2+, FnP, Fearless, Eternal Warrior, Fleet, 2 psychic powers per turn.
More potent versions of Might of heroes, Transfixing Gaze and Blood Stasis powers:

The gun of Victor's servitor is 36" S:6 AP:6 Assault6

Psychic Powers
Quickening: Infantry moves as beasts, jump troops and walkers gain fleet.
Blood Stasis: 5" vortex of blood in base contact. Enemy models count as being in difficult terrain, and suffer one wound if they try to move and any of the distance dice shows a 1, Mephiston: can cast it in close combat centered on himself, and enemies attacking with a 1 suffer a wound.
Might of Heroes: one model in squad gets +D3 attacks, Mephiston: can cast it on himself.
Primarchs Grace: Squad may reroll dangerous terrain tests.
Transfixing Gaze: Target model must take a leadership roll off or not able to attack librarian, Mephiston: not able to attack any model.
Living Darkness: A template which blocks line of sight.

Fluff
Background: mainly Blood Angels and 4 successor chapters with one page each:
-Blood Consuls
-Angels Sanguine
-Flesh Tearers
-Angels Vermillion

[opsidiannight]

Mefiston je ubica iz dimenzije XXX kome se i Roko Sifredi klanja. Strašno. Koliko li će poena stajati?

[PeraNekron]

Ja vam lepo rekao da je on Jedi Caballero, El Grande Maestro de Jedi Consejo, El Campeónde Sangre, El Señor de Muerte y Bibliotecario Jefe. Ay mano, kako ce on da boli. A bice skup como la cocaina u poenima. :D

[Hypodermic]

Mefiston je ubica iz dimenzije XXX kome se i Roko Sifredi klanja. Strašno. Koliko li će poena stajati?

Slobodna procena oko 300...

[PeraNekron]

8O 8O

Just as a clarification for the 300 point Meph (and I honestly haven't read all of the posts to know if this was already covered), the 300 point version will have Meph in terminator armor - he'll finally get an invulnerable save. But as per rules, this will eliminate his, and any unit he is attached to, ability to sweep. That is actually a much larger drawback than it sounds, do to the fact that you will be wasting his initiative 7 for sweep checks

Sve mi se cini da cu izgubiti opkladu :D :

After seeing another thread somewhere in here talking about how the only new codexes are going to be space marines, I did a bit of inquiry over beer #6 with someone who has a 5 beer limit and shall remain unnamed, but is a very important person...(I can't really detail more at the risk of people guessing who, and then it working its way to them and damaging a relationship)...

But the release date for the Necron codex is scheduled for January 2011.

I was actually rather drunk as well and completely forgot to ask about the Dark Elf codex, which is why I got him drunk in the first place

[Telion]

Just as a clarification for the 300 point Meph (and I honestly haven't read all of the posts to know if this was already covered), the 300 point version will have Meph in terminator armor - he'll finally get an invulnerable save. But as per rules, this will eliminate his, and any unit he is attached to, ability to sweep. That is actually a much larger drawback than it sounds, do to the fact that you will be wasting his initiative 7 for sweep checks

A kako ce ona da mu izrastu krilca kada baci psychic power..? :lol: Terminator sa krilima...meni-bljak...(ako uopste bude imao taj psy power)

EDIT: Inicijativa 7,force weapon...pa koga ce on imati da juri posle CC-a..? :lol:

[PeraNekron]

Zanimljivo...

Games Workshop has yet to release a Codex for the Deathwatch or Ordo Xenos. However, Games Workshop released a supplement in White Dwarf that gave rules for fielding a kill-team that were legal for play during 4th Edition.2 Conversion packs for Deathwatch Kill Teams were also released.

[Dexter]

Izgleda da nam se priblizava i MMO u 40k univerzumu...

http://www.massively.com/2010/02/04/war ... is-summer/

[PeraNekron]

Jos Blood Angels rumora:

background:
very baroque feeling and images, think of Phantom of the Opera
history of Blood Angels in full, four succession chapters on one page each
in the end of m41 curse stronger than before, Mephiston is the only hope
Mephiston is the focus of the book, 2 pages of story
Scouts more savage, barbaric, hardly restrained
reference to space hulk campaign
fantastic story of Dante and 200 jump pack marines descending on demon world

plastic boxes:
Blood Angel Assault Squad
Honour Guard
Land Raider Tantalus

metal boxes:
Techmarine Victor and Servitor Unholt
Exalted Assault Squad
Death company
Blood Angel Scouts

blisters:
Lord of Death
Commander Dante
Sanguine Priest Faustus

Rules:
army wide special rule: Furious Charge
9 Unique Characters, 7 Blood Angels, 3 variants of Tycho
Mephiston over 300 points!
cybots: cheaper
Furioso AV 13, normal: fast attack, venerable: elites
Scouts: fleet of foot, without sergeant: rage
Assault Squad: troops
Tactical Squad sergeant: Devastor weapons twin-linked if fired at targets in proximity to auspex
Honour Guard and veterans one entry, lots of options, may assault after deepstrike
new fast attack with wings, S5 weapons, stormbolters an fall back
death company fully optional, not bound by number of squads
Devastor: lascannon cheaper than space wolves
new Land Raider with lots of assault cannons

Exalted and Honour Guard look very elegant. They dont have broadswords but rapiers. But there are also some heavier wepaons like chainaxes. The Baal Initiates are a stark contrast. They look very savage. I haven't seen anything especially vampiristic. But the overall feeling is very Victorian, the same as in many vampire novels like Dracula. Mephiston (the old model btw.) is the only model that is clearly a vampire. On the other hand there are lots of special rule names with blood and thirst in it.

According to the color pages the Honour Guard has lots of options, special weapons, banners, relics, stormshields, ...
Exalted are all equiped with the same wargear: wristmounted stormbolter, rapier, jump packs with wings.

Rulewise, the Honour Guard can attack after deepstriking, WS 5, A2. Exalted have hit & run, only WS4 and powerweapons with +1 strength. They have also mastered the red fury and therefore don't have this rule.

no corbulo. maybe I miss an old one, but I am sure everyone except corbulo is there. New:
Faustus (Jimbo1701 - head sanguinary priest)
Victor (Jimbo1701 - MoTf/techmarine)
Seth (Jimbo1701 - flesh tearers CM)
Toledo (Jimbo1701 - angels sanguine CM)
Lorenzo (Jimbo1701 - SH termie sarge)
Absolutus (?)

And for the Dreadnougt entries even more options:
Moriar (venerable Death Company dread)
Absolutus (double saw masscre, but no model)
Venerable Dreadnougt (FW one in the color section)
Dreadnougt (Death Company special rule: ignores shaken and stunned results)
Furioso

Ovo je vezano za one nove fensi jump marince, svidja mi se opis :

Exalted Assault Squad
"Put Vega from Street Fighter into a slim power armour and give him the Blade of Sigvald and the jump pack of Saint Celestine and you have the right idea."

After battle the Exalted search for wounded who have succumbed to the black rage and take them to the chapter tower prison.

5-10 members, Fast Attack, Standard Marine statline with Ld:10/I:5
jump packs, stormbolter, boltpistol, Exalted blades (thin straight blade with spiral hilt, power weapon, +1 Strength)
Guardians of Amareo: replaces Red Fury and Furious Charge with hit& run.
No transport options
Upgrade to Exemplar Sanguinator granting:
-Paragon of the Host: Reroll hit & run roll
-Coup de Grace: If at least 3 attacks hit, they causes instant death

[Hypodermic]

Yay, Battle missions je izasao za advance order. Kada ce stici do HS-a, nemam pojma. Sa njim je izaslo jos par interesantnih sitnica: venerable dread u plastici (lepe gravure ali i nije nesto novo, ocekivao sam skroz drugaciji izgled sasije), ork killa kans plasticni, kao i ova lepa sitnica:

[PeraNekron]

Yay, Battle missions je izasao za advance order. Kada ce stici do HS-a, nemam pojma.

Mozemo ga naruciti. Svi po nesto kinte, i eto zabave za celu porodicu. 8) A targeter squig je najjaci. :lol:

[Histericni Istoricar]

Dreka je predivan! Moram imati prokletinju! Jeste vedeli kako je lep kada je zelen, a ima i malu pesnicu? Jedva cekam!

[Giga]

Jedina razlika izmedju ovog venericnog dreke i obicnog dreke je sto venericni ima ovu glavu napred i ovu humanizovanu ruku. Pih, ocekivao bi covek bar neke dodatne karafeke po oklopu, nogama, itd. Opcije za oruzja su takodje prilicno bzvz. Umesto da ubace neke opskurnije stvari tipa dual autocannon ruke (ili ruku), oni trpaju iste stare assault cannone i TL-lascannone.

[ZergLord]

Vidim da cemo cesce vidjati Venomthrope kad izadju novi BA... :P

[Hypodermic]

BA rumors (or not?):
Pa, pojavio se neki leak na netu (guglajte ga, nije ga tesko naci), i iskreno se nadam da je wishlist i da ce se menjati jer... Baal predator ima plasma cannon i Mmelta sponson opcije. Da ne spominjem sto sa njima ukupno kosta 130 poena, a u staroj konfiguraciji 110.

[shukaku]

bilo bi lepo,ali mislim da je to veliki wishlist

[Giga]

BA rumors (or not?):
Pa, pojavio se neki leak na netu (guglajte ga, nije ga tesko naci), i iskreno se nadam da je wishlist i da ce se menjati jer... Baal predator ima plasma cannon i Mmelta sponson opcije. Da ne spominjem sto sa njima ukupno kosta 130 poena, a u staroj konfiguraciji 110.

Wishlist.

Da su hteli da naprave normalne predatore (dakle koji se zapravo krecu, kao sto bi ti sa multimeltama morali, umesto sto stoje negde i pucaju), ubacili bi to u SW codex.

[Hypodermic]

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/02/ ... -lamb.html

Bwahahahahahaha! :D
Toliko o leak-u :D

[PeraNekron]

Ma ima da izdaju ono cudo Tantalus Lander ili kako god da se zove. Kostace oko 4000+ u HS, i neces zeleti da igras bez 3. 100% sam siguran. :D Sve u svemu, red bi bio da Blood Angels budu vrhunski strucnjaci u zavrtanju sije (takav im je fluff, barem). I sada dobro zavrcu siju, ali nista bolje od ostalih space merheens. A ko nema Mephistona u armiji, celava mu keva. :lol:

[Olsianon]

http://www.rogue-market.com/forums/show ... #post43087

[Telion]

Wow..predobro.. 8O 8O 8O
Pogotovo krila..i oni macevi....ma sve je..

[Olsianon]

+Lander is Confirmed.
-Carries 12 Tactical Marines AND a Dreadnought.
-Twin Assault Cannon
-4x 'Blood Strike Missiles'

Furiosa ima taxi :D

[Hypodermic]

Da ne spominjemo sto mefiston ima sada statove s6 t6 i7 i pet rana. Ubica iz dimenzije iks, manijak bre :D

[PeraNekron]

Furioso Librarian have a single Blood Talon and Force Weapon, they have to choose which to use in close combat, but they DO get the +1 attack for having multiple CCWs. They can take 2 Blood Angel psychic powers (including Wings of Sanguinius) and has a Psychic Hood.

Leteci dreadnought.....

[Pendargon]

Lepa je plastika za andjelcice, mada su krila pomalo gay looking. Kao nesto sa parade ponosa...
A za onaj wishlist... kako da ne. Leteci drednoti sa psy-hoodom i Mephiston koji kosta manje od abbadona i ubija sam cele armije, i sve to u fast deepstrikeing landraidera koji vozi 12 trupa SA drednotom....
Kako da ne...

[PeraNekron]

Ja mislim da hoce. GW ima poseban deal sa narko-bosovima iz Kolumbije. Vidi se da konzumiraju neke sumnjive supstance vrhunskog kvaliteta. :lol: Sta, mislis da se neki developer tamo nije upucao jedno 4 puta u venu u rasponu od 4 sata, a onda ga je obasjalo svetlo (koje je samo on video, jel'te), i ukazao mu se....dreka sa krilima? A on je pao nicice na zemlju, i u najvecoj poboznoj tisini i smirenosti se zahvalio na inspiraciji tim divnim poljima na obroncima kolumbijskih visoravni. :D