igor wrote:Jel ima neko link za 40k rule book, ovaj novi 6 edicija? Ako ima moze na PM link
I na 1750p koliko vi igrate, jel mozete mi kazete koliko cega mora/moze da ide od hq/elite/troops itd.
Hocu da vidim sta mi se svidja i sta mogu da vodim za neku buy listu
U normalnim partijama za WH40K moraš da imaš:
1 X HQ
2 x Troops
Pored toga možeš da imaš još i sledeće:
1 x HQ
4 x Troops
3 x Elite
3 x Fast Attack
3 x Heavy Support
el ima neko link za 40k rule book, ovaj novi 6 edicija? Ako ima moze na PM link
I na 1750p koliko vi igrate, jel mozete mi kazete koliko cega mora/moze da ide od hq/elite/troops itd.
Hocu da vidim sta mi se svidja i sta mogu da vodim za neku buy listu
U normalnim partijama za WH40K moraš da imaš:
1 X HQ
2 x Troops
Pored toga možeš da imaš još i sledeće:
1 x HQ
4 x Troops
3 x Elite
3 x Fast Attack
3 x Heavy Support
moj predlog je da ti prioritet na buy listi bude rulebook, po mogucstvu mali iz startera.
Pamti, pa vrati...
Ignorance is bliss. Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Pa hteo bih da odstampam kao sto sam odradio danas nov CSM codex.
Ne bih davao vise para ako ne treba :D
Jos jednom ako neko ima neki link za 6th ed. 40k rulebook neka da PM :D
Nema potrebe da ti se daje link, ima ga u "Piratskom zalivu".
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Da li se pravilo " it will not die " odnosi samo na regeneraciju jedne rane, i pri tom se baca jedna kockica na kraju kruga, ili se baca za svaku ranu/hull poen koje je model pretrpeo ?
Da li tiranidska regeneracija sada prelazi u " it will not die " ili ostaje onakva kako je napisano u kodeksu ?
Ridji wrote:Da li se pravilo " it will not die " odnosi samo na regeneraciju jedne rane, i pri tom se baca jedna kockica na kraju kruga, ili se baca za svaku ranu/hull poen koje je model pretrpeo ?
Da li tiranidska regeneracija sada prelazi u " it will not die " ili ostaje onakva kako je napisano u kodeksu ?
1. Baca se samo jedna kockica bez obzira koliko je model rana/hull poena izgubio.
2. Ostaje kao u tyranidskom codexu.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
If a unit has Infiltrate, so does its Dedicated Transport.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
To je nasa koju su nam pogresno poslali jednom prilikom 8O
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Sad prelistavam taj rulebook. Ovo je super stvar (bila). Softcover, pravila, karakteristike za sve jedinice u igri, i ne treba ti vise nista na stolu osim ovoga. Da danas ima nesto ovako, uzeo bih odmah.
CSM kao saveznika mogu da uzmu sledecu opciju (IG saveznik):
1 HQ - onaj psyker, najjeftiniji moguci, go
1 TROOP - 25 pesadinaca, golih, bez icega, koji se podele u 3 skvoda i zatim udju u:
1 FAST - skvod od 3 letelice sa TL laserima
i to sve za 590 poena?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Pendargon wrote:...po toj logici, mogao bih da isecem lepih 10 kockastih komada stiropora, na devet zalepim bolter i bolt pistolj, i granate, i mali nozic, jednom zalepim powerfist da viri, a na jednog zakacim lasscannon, i imam savrsenu jedinicu chaos space marinaca....
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Recimo umesto 25 obicnih 3* veterani sa dem chargeom i flamerima :P
1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears hurt bleed. Bitches.
Ne, ovo je tacno ono sto mi treba. Probacemo pa cemo videti, uvek mozemo i nas dvojca da probamo koju .
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Koliko sam ja razumeo najviše pola jedinica može doći iz rezerve ali se tu ne računaju jedinice koje moraju da dođu iz rezerve, što opet znači da se letači (koji moraju da dođu iz rezerve) ne računaju. Ili sam ja pogrešno protumačio?
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.
Dobro si protumacio. Letaci i droppodovi (i njihov sadrzaj, ako su dedicated) se ne racunaju u "pola jedinica mora na tabli" jer moraju da pocnu u rezervi. U protivnom ona lista sa 11 (ili koliko vec) Nekronskih letaca ne bi radila.
Pendargon wrote:...po toj logici, mogao bih da isecem lepih 10 kockastih komada stiropora, na devet zalepim bolter i bolt pistolj, i granate, i mali nozic, jednom zalepim powerfist da viri, a na jednog zakacim lasscannon, i imam savrsenu jedinicu chaos space marinaca....
Trebao bi da stavis onaj zadnji rep sa nataknutom lobanjom. Takodje ce ti se razlikovati po opremi. Trebao bi da mu das agoniser(bic) sa nekog drugog sprua, recimo od warriora jer njima ne treba.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Tokom sinocnje partije, jedno od mnogih pitanja bilo je i da li psajker moze da koristi power u krugu u kome je bio gone to ground. Na strani 67 male knjige pise:
A Psyker can attempt to manifest psychic powers even if he is falling back or has gone to ground.
Pamti, pa vrati...
Ignorance is bliss. Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Page 18 of BRB:
If the unit is forced to move, for example they have to Fall Back, it returns to normal immediately.
The same applies to the Gate of Infinity.
1. The Gate is a blessing that the Psyker can cast even if Pinned/GtG according to page 67 of the BRB. It targets him and his unit.
2. If cast, Remove the target from the board (pg 146, BRB). This forces the unit to move, so they'll return to normal immediately upon arriving back on the board, as seen from the rule on page 18.
3. Work out the rest of the power's effects. You can always take the pinned unit and drop them in the exact same location they were removed from, just to get rid of the pinned/GtG effect if you wish.
Hopefully that'll make it clear for everyone.
Pamti, pa vrati...
Ignorance is bliss. Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Zaista bitna razlika. Sad pinovane jedinice nemogu da se krecu, runuju i assaltuju. Pucaju samo snap shot.
Ovo poslednje tumacenje malo ne pije vodu ali ajde, morao bih da pogledam u SM codexu.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Page 18 of BRB:
If the unit is forced to move, for example they have to Fall Back, it returns to normal immediately.
The same applies to the Gate of Infinity.
1. The Gate is a blessing that the Psyker can cast even if Pinned/GtG according to page 67 of the BRB. It targets him and his unit.
2. If cast, Remove the target from the board (pg 146, BRB). This forces the unit to move, so they'll return to normal immediately upon arriving back on the board, as seen from the rule on page 18.
3. Work out the rest of the power's effects. You can always take the pinned unit and drop them in the exact same location they were removed from, just to get rid of the pinned/GtG effect if you wish.
Hopefully that'll make it clear for everyone.
Pogledao sam ceo topik o GoI i pinningu, vecina ljudi je protiv toga. Zato sto je GoI volontery move, jer ti biras da bacis power.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
kako god da odlucimo, moze, samo moramo da imamo spremne odgovore. upravo citam GoI i CC out of combat raspravu... kao i kod pomeranja pinovanih, postoji ogromna debata. a par stvari se istice>
Da li je GoI movement - ne trudite se da odgovorite, nije definisano.
Da li je Deep Strike movement - ni ovo nije definisano.
Da li kodeks override-uje pravila iz osnovne knjige - ovo je naravno tacno, ali ostaje dilema, sta kada je knjiga novija od kodeksa.
Da li se pravilo moze koristiti iskljucivo ako je napisano da moze (to jest - ako ne pise da mozes to i to, onda ne mozes) ili je obratno.
Pamti, pa vrati...
Ignorance is bliss. Cypher, Matrix
Pazi, vidi, kockica ima 6 strana, a terminator gine samo na 1... by Chomie
Sva ova pitanja nemaju smisla i slicna su da li ja mogu da ti slomim figure jer nigde ne pise da ne mogu.....
U svakom slucaju moje misljenje je da postoji zelja da se sa Gol krive pravila stoga ne bi treba da radi ako si pinovan, naravno to je samo moje misljenje.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Megabaja wrote:kako funkcionise mindshackle scarabs u celindzu? da li model koji ne prodje ld test udara svoj unit ili ne udara uopste?
FAQovano je. Udara sebe samog.
Mind Uploader wrote:... Kazem ja da je Pera isti Darth Vader, samo bez te moralne dubine...
Hypodermic wrote:Da nije robotech-a ne bih bio ovakakv kakav jesam!
Giga wrote:Realno, sasvim je logicno da mogu bez problema da ih bace sa par stotina metara i da budu prilicno sigurni da tom land raideru nece biti nista
igor wrote:jako je tesko uzimati puno poena jer se igra po knjizi.
TELEPATHY psychic power, PUPPET MASTER - Je li ovo moze da se koristi na monstrous creaturesima, vozilima, i slicnom?
Drugo, DENY THE WITCH se koristi protiv powera koji TARGETUJU unit i kod svih novijih powera uvek je izricito naznaceno kada targetuju. Ali recimo NULL ZONE u vaniladexu jednostavno kaze: "all enemy units within 24" reroll successful invulnerable saves". Dakle nema targetinga nigde. Da li kod ove i slicnih powera dakle moze da se rola DENY THE WITCH ili ne?
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.
"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Evo pitanja.
Librarian ukrcan sa ekipom u Land Rader teleportuje Land Rader. Dobije duple na razdaljini. Pravilo kaze generalno kaze "remove one mode from unit" na duple. Sta se desi IMO:
- U tom trenutku jedinica je sastavljena samo od jednog modela, LR.
- Uklonis ga.
- Tvoje cike sa librarianom su u modelu koji je uklonjen sa table pa onda oni:
a) rade emergency disembark (ali emergency disembark se radi kada je model unisten, ne kada je "remove from game")
b) cike su isto remove from game
Ja naginjem ka b), ali da li neko ima neki FAQ ili eratu za ovo? Krajnje je interesantno pitanje, a teleportujuci LR u odredjenoj kombinaciji nije uopste naivan.
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
Ili..
c) ukloni se jedan model iz LR-a, isto kao sto se uklanja model koji popije ranu od overheat plazme kada unit puca iz transporta (na primer)
opcija c) je moje misljenje, jer ovo nigde nije eratovano ako se ne varam. Sta vise, opcija C zvuci (meni barem) logicno jer GoI radi pomeranje slicno deepstrike-u, u kom slucaju NISTA nije na tabli dok se rolaju kockice (pise jos u opisu GoI "remove the unit from the table") pa je irrelevantno sta je tacno "unit".
Pendargon wrote:...po toj logici, mogao bih da isecem lepih 10 kockastih komada stiropora, na devet zalepim bolter i bolt pistolj, i granate, i mali nozic, jednom zalepim powerfist da viri, a na jednog zakacim lasscannon, i imam savrsenu jedinicu chaos space marinaca....
Ne mozes da sklonis samo jednog ciku iz squad-a, LR mora da ode jer je u trenutku teleportacije to unit koji se teleportuje.
No recimo da je koncenzus da je LR uklonjen (jer stvarno ne vidim kako bi bilo moguce drugacije), na osnovu cega uklonis samo jednog ciku iz squad-a kada taj squad sa stanovista pravila ne postoji dok se ne iskrca iz LR? Pravila za pucanje plazmom nisu uporediva jer tu dolazi do krsenja osnovnog pravila (nema pucanja iz vozila) specijalnim pravilom (fire points ili open toped) koja omogucava da se pod odredjenim uslovima taj squad ili njegov deo ponasaju kao standardna iskrcana jedinica za svrhe pucanja.
I meni je to c) prvo palo na pamet, ali kada pogledam pravila nema nikakvog utemeljenja u istima - ostaju samo dve opcije:
- svi budu uklonjeni
ili
- svi se iskrcaju. Ova varijanta ima dva moda, sa ili bez emergency disembark-a, ali kratak pogled po pravilima kaze da mora doci do do emergency disembark-a.
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
Ovako:
1. kako u ovoj ediciji nigde nije naglaseno da stvari van table vise nisu unit (barem ja ne mogu da nadjem),
i kako
2. pise u "declaring target" da psyker moze da cilja unit koji je u transportu sa njim ili transport(bas tim recima, strana 67)
ja mogu samo da kazem da imam glavobolju sada... jer... sta taj psajker cilja?
Svoj unit? Ako da, moze se rezonovati i da land raider ostane gde jeste a samo se unit transportuje sa njim (Zar ne? ako ne, onda vaci opcija C).
Ako pak cilja land raider da bi na taj nacin poneo i land raiderov sadrzaj sa sobom, onda pre mislim da se dogadja sto je beta sugerisao, samo sa izmenom - A1) SAMO LIBRARIAN radi emergency disembark a LR sa sadrzajem kaze pa-pa, jer je unit prilikom kastovanja bio "Librarian + LR" te je jedini drugi model LR.
Anyone else? please? letim po FAQovima svuda, kao i kodeksu i pravilima, i sem ovoga nista vise nisam nasao :/
Pendargon wrote:...po toj logici, mogao bih da isecem lepih 10 kockastih komada stiropora, na devet zalepim bolter i bolt pistolj, i granate, i mali nozic, jednom zalepim powerfist da viri, a na jednog zakacim lasscannon, i imam savrsenu jedinicu chaos space marinaca....
Cekaj, ako squad ne postoji dok je u transportu, kako se onda racuna GETS HOT! ili perils of the warp za passengere? Po toj logici trebalo bi transport da popije glancing hit od overheata/perils of teh warpa, a ne da cika unutra pije ranu?
EDIT: Meni je potpuno realno da ako izrolas dve iste na gate of infinity, jednostavno jedan od terminatora unutar LR-a nestane i to je to, isto ko sto bi plazma momak koji puca iz rhinoa i koji popije gets hot i padne sejv trebalo da umre unutar rhinoa.