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Breakthrough Assaults can be made against platoons previously assaulted if these are now with 4”/10cm

- Ok situation:
Plt. A assaults Plt. X and Y (as per all the assault rules, 4" etc).
Plt. X is hit, fails motivation and runs off.
Plt. A and Y fight some more, A wipes Y out. During the assault charge into contact moves, Plt. A has
managed to get some teams within 4" of the already assaulted Plt. X.
Can Plt. A breakthrough assault Plt. X?
The intention is that you can breakthrough against any platoon within 4"/10cm, even if you had assaulted
them earlier.
The defender can break off up to their full move, so you would have to advance quite a bit to force them back
into the fight if they did not want to.(Phil)

Duc d' Elchingen wrote: samo već vidim glupe situacije na tabli gde na kraju ne znaš ko je iz kog voda...

Duc d' Elchingen wrote:evidentno moraćemo svi to da uradimo...
i dalje mislim da je pravilo glupo do bola...

samo...
pitam se da li će Mikaan i Škobra dati svojim farbačima i tu štrafticu da im povuku na već ofarbanim vodovima ili će se sami latiti kičice

Ovo je toliko zamrseno da nevidim vise poentu jurisa na ukopane veterane

pitam se da li će Mikaan i Škobra dati svojim farbačima i tu štrafticu da im povuku na već ofarbanim vodovima ili će se sami latiti kičice

- My Airborne platoon was in a mix of open terrain/wood 4" away from a single gun team of a German 20mm
AA platoon. The rest of that platoon was spread out in the direction of the assault at max command distance.
Additionally, there was a StuH42 within 6" of my Airborne platoon.
So that's the basics - Shooting now commenced. I destroyed the one 20mm AA gun that was within range of
my assault. Under the shooting was too successful rule I went ahead and assaulted - since the StuH was within
4" of my assaulting teams after the assault move was completed it got to conduct defensive fire. Obviously it
failed to pin my platoon.
Here's my origination of the first question - should I have taken a tank terror test in order to assault the AA
platoon because the StuH ended up participating in the assault. (Just to be safe I went ahead and rolled it -
rolled a 6 - so I passed there)
No. The platoon you launched the assault against was the AA platoon and since the StuG was more than
2"/5cm away it does not have to be assaulted. (Phil)
Now we get to the meat. Do I continue using the the Shooting was too Successful rule where there are no
defending platoons within 2" (the StuH after the assault move was 3" away) or do we consider the assault a
success and then allow me to breakthrough into the StuH - since the original target was the AA gun platoon
and there weren't any more of them within 4" of me .
Remember this is an intermixed platoon thing here...
The assault is not over since the StuG is within 4"/10cm and therefore part of the assault, just as it would
have been if the 20mm gun were still alive.
The essence of the Shooting was Too Successful rule was once stated by Wayne as "You can't stop an assault
by dying." Just because the 20mm died, it doesn't allow it to change the assault.
Since the Shooting was Too Successful rule requires a Motivation test to counterattack and the Opponent
Tests motivation rule says that all platoons test to counterttack if any of them were hit, the StuG would need to
test to counterattack.(Phil)
But the StuH is the "nearest uncontacted enemy team", which is not given any qualification for which platoon
that team must belong to. It "[is] from a different platoon than they fired at." Therefore "the team must stay in
place and give covering fire instead." This means not participating in the assault. I don't know if that means
for the rest of the assault, or just for the combat round, however.

However, you are ignoring the Shooting was Too Successful rule. The 20mm AA Gun still counts since its
death does not change the situation. The platoon can still charge it even though it died while they were
charging.(Phil)

žubor wrote:Svaki platoon koji je ostao na samo jednom infantry team-u prolazi sole survivor test .. to sto je u blizini bio 2iC nema nikakve veze ... da je bio CiC platoon bi sve jedno morao da baca sole survivor test ...

Mikaan wrote: s obzirom da je boldovan infantry team - da li to znaci da ako ostane singl gun team da isti ne treba da baca last man standing??

Dzon Vejn wrote:To je vec takvo bunarenje pravila, da onda treba poceti primenjivati i GMT na recimo Carlija... isto tako pise u knjizi...

žubor wrote:

Mikaan wrote: s obzirom da je boldovan infantry team - da li to znaci da ako ostane singl gun team da isti ne treba da baca last man standing??

tako pise u rulebooku ...

Skobra wrote:Pa cekaj Charli je Company Command team a ne platun commander? A GMT se odnosi na platun komandire... Uostalom GMT oznacava da sledeci po starersinstvu preuzima komandu (doduse i panzerknackere ) a ne da Platun komandir vaskrsava

Mikaan wrote:Nisam siguran da su panzerknackeri/fausti prenosivi na tim koji zamenjuje komandanta voda ?

pa da ... ali se Nenad "vadi" na onaj deo pravila koji pise da kada se High Commander ili CiC joinuju platoonu "postaju platoon leaderi" ...

Nisam siguran da su panzerknackeri/fausti prenosivi na tim koji zamenjuje komandanta voda?

Zar ne kaze da "take over" platun a ne da postaju PC?