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Po osvojenim general poenima Ruski Motostelkovny, po overalu Skoti. Pri vrhu jos i Soviet Guard, Pantherkompanie, Gerpanzerte PzGr, British Armor 8O , British Parachute, i sa jako malim zaostatkom 2 ITA igraca.

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http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1210
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: NICON results

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ja ti lepo kažem da samo ti misliš da su UK tenkovi loši...
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Cinjenica da je motostrelkovy bio na 1. mestu, naterala me je da malo prelistam sta to oni imaju... i sada pokusavam da nadjem sta to obican strelkovy ima sto motostrelkovy nema...

Dakle motostrelkovy je, iako bi vas ime pogresno navuklo, infantry armija, koja ima sve sto ima strelkovy, osim mogucnosti da ima puske sa ROF 1 (dakle skuplji su), ali sa druge strane imaju JAKO lep izbor weapon timova (sto je i najveci problem strelkovy armije - sve ti je u supportu).

Neka prva lista koju sam sastavio izgleda ovako:
HQ - 25
COMBAT motostrelkovy sa 2 platuna, komisarom, jedni imaju SMG oruzja, 1 HMG = 310
COMBAT motostrelkovy sa 2 platuna, komisarom, jedni imaju SMG oruzja = 290
WEAPON light tenkovy 10 komada T60 = 195
SUPPORT armoured transporter platoon sa 4 skvoda, i universal carriers = 335 (napomena: oni su trained, i dobijes jedinicu od 9 half truckova, u kojima se nalazi 9 infantry postolja)
SUPPORT assult gun company SU-85 (AT im je 12), komada 4 = 345

Dakle to je nekih 50 infantry postolja, uz nekih 25 vozila, od cega su 10 vozila i 10 pesadija trained. Kako bi to Milka Canic strucno rekla: "dobro vece" :D.

Moram jos malo da listam, cini mi se da ovde moze svasta da se sastavi...
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: NICON results

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Mislim da je najveca mana ove liste jako mali broj AT orudja. Jedan platun SU 85 nije nikakva sigurnost
opsidiannight wrote:Nema svrhe da ga osudujemo sto prodaje figure jebo je u stisci.

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Pa pazi, 8 AT 12 pucanja po krugu, dometa 32", po mom misljenju, nije malo :D (to je oko 95% sanse da napravis bail na prosecnom tenku koji ima oklop 6, za svaki pogodak koji napravis).

Takodje, isti problem ima i strelkovy... cak motostrelkovy ima manji problem jer mu je artiljerija (koja ima najveci AT posle assault gunova) u weapon timovima, umesto u supportu (kao strelkovyju), i takodje, mozes da imas 12 zis 3 oruzja, a tamo samo 8 ;).

Gledam sada i ove heavy assault gun - 2 komada za 245 poena, imaju FP 1 i AT 13 i ROF 1... mislim da je to cak i bolje od one predhodne verzije, jer to znaci da 100% ubijas svaki prosecni tenk koji pogodis (a ostaje ti jos 100 poena da pazaris jos nesto AT orudja).

Cak mogu da se izbace oni u half trucku i da se uzmu i obicni i heavy assault tenkovi, da se light tenkovy smanje na 8 komada, a jedna osnovna trupa poveca na maksimum...

... ili 2 srednje pesadije, full light tenkovy u weaponu, heavy assault tenkovy, i u supportu 10 valentina, od cega 6 unapredjenih.

Dakle moja poenta je: ne vidim sta to strelkovy ima sto motostrelkovy nema... dakle imaju samo manje od njega (naravno, svaka lista ima neku manu, to nije sporno).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Gledam sada i ove heavy assault gun - 2 komada za 245 poena, imaju FP 1 i AT 13 i ROF 1... mislim da je to cak i bolje od one predhodne verzije, jer to znaci da 100% ubijas svaki prosecni tenk koji pogodis (a ostaje ti jos 100 poena da pazaris jos nesto AT orudja).
Od ovoga treba bezati... Heavy gun ima rof 1 sto znaci da ako se pomera ima +1 to hit... Svabu (ukoliko je concealed i gone to ground) ne mozes da pogodis van 16" da bi ovaj monstrum mogao da pogodi takvog svabu treba da udje u 16" a posto dobija +1 to hit ne moze ni tada da ga pogodi... Onda lepo svapski tenk/stug/marder lepo opali 2 puta (pa puta broj vozila) i unisti 1 a najcesce oba heavija... imali smo pedja i ja dobru lekciju iz toga. Moji stugovi su bili na ivici sume dok se on na sve moguce nacine sunjao da udje u neki range gde je pogodak moguc.... nije uspelo....
Pa pazi, 8 AT 12 pucanja po krugu, dometa 32", po mom misljenju, nije malo (to je oko 95% sanse da napravis bail na prosecnom tenku koji ima oklop 6, za svaki pogodak koji napravis).
daleko od toga da je malo ali je problem sto gotovo nikad neces imati tih 8 pucanja.... Ja redovno izvodim ove SU ali su najcesce neka pretnja koja tera protivnika da igra kako ti sviras nego sto nesto zaista i ubiju.... U svako slucaju oni su mi u 80% slucajeva bili unisteni... naravno buduci da su protivniku prioritet i to treba iskoristiti... Medjutim problem sa onom tvojom listom je sto nemas nista sto bi mogao da iskoristis dok je protivnik zabavljen unistavanjem SU momaka...
Dakle moja poenta je: ne vidim sta to strelkovy ima sto motostrelkovy nema
.... more pesadije?
opsidiannight wrote:Nema svrhe da ga osudujemo sto prodaje figure jebo je u stisci.

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