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Dragi saborci jedno obaveštenje.

Flames of War turnir 12.12.2009.
Lokacija Medija Centar
početak 12:00

propozicije:
Mid War
1500 poena (1505 nije dozvoljeno)
Ostfront i North Africa knjige
dozvoljeni istorijski karakteri
Mid War Monsters nisu dozvoljeni

molim sve zainteresovane za učestvovanje da mi jave do 15.11.2009. kako bi mogao sve na vreme da organizujem

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1. Zubor (Zutic Boris) - US Tanks
2. Olsianon (Igor Cvijetic) - DAK 10.Panzerdivision Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier kompanie
3. Dzon Vejn - UK Rifle Company
4. Malekith - US something
5. Opsidiannight - German Pionierkompanie
6. Duc d' Elchingen - ?
7. Joggy - Soviet ?
8. Bathory - Italian ?
9. Mikaan - ?
10. Chempress - UK Rifle
11. Golub87 - German ?
12. Minja - German or US
13. Joggy - Strelkovy
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Duc d' Elchingen wrote:Dragi saborci jedno obaveštenje.

Flames of War turnir 12.12.2009.
Lokacija Medija Centar
početak 12:00

propozicije:
Mid War
1500 poena (1505 nije dozvoljeno)
Ostfront i North Africa knjige
dozvoljeni istorijski karakteri
Mid War Monsters nisu dozvoljeni

molim sve zainteresovane za učestvovanje da mi jave do 15.11.2009. kako bi mogao sve na vreme da organizujem
Zutic Boris aka Zubor - US Tanks
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Igor Cvijetic (Olsianon) DAK 10.Panzerdivision Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier kompanie
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Ja sam zainteresovan :D. A da li ce od toga nesto biti zavisi od vise parametara :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Hocu i ja.Us tenkovi ili pesadija znacu kad mi stigne Afrika,pa javim ovde zvanicno.
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Oću i ja i moji Pioniri maleni. Biću teksašanin ako zatreba.
Zašto je početak tako kasno?
Zašto je najava turnira tako nezanimljiva i siva?
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početak je klizan i zavisi od broja i geografske lokacije učesnika
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Klizan na gore nadam se :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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ja se prijavljujem.
Jel treba da bude cela armija obojena?
Gde je media centar?
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joggy wrote:ja se prijavljujem.
Jel treba da bude cela armija obojena?
Gde je media centar?
ne ali je poželjno
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a jel ce italijani biti pozeljno ofarbani? :)
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Bathory wrote:a jel ce italijani biti pozeljno ofarbani? :)
a šta ti misliš?
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joggy wrote:ja se prijavljujem.
Jel treba da bude cela armija obojena?
Gde je media centar?
Ako se ne varam, Terazije 3, tj. u zgradi gde radim :D
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Koje ce misije da se igraju i hoce li biti iskljucivo Axis vs. Allies?
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Mikaan wrote:Koje ce misije da se igraju i hoce li biti iskljucivo Axis vs. Allies?
moći će i bratoubilačke bitke
što se misija tiče zavisi
zavisi od broja igrača koji se prijave
očekujem od 12 do 16 igrača te mislim da će 3 bitke biti očekivano
misije će se najverovatnije random izvlačiti i ne mogu da se ponove dve iste misije
tako da u prvom krugu svi stolovi igraju istu random misiji u drugom svi istu drugu i isto tako u trećem
vrlo verovatno ću pomeriti početak ali otom potom
prvo da vidim koliko će se ljudi prijaviti
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takođe molim jednu vrlo bitnu stvar
skoro svi imate ili knjigu pravila ili pdf
pročitajte i trudite se da zapamtiti što više kako me ne bi stalno zapitkivali i generalno prekidali moje partije
hvala unapred
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Duc d' Elchingen wrote:takođe molim jednu vrlo bitnu stvar
skoro svi imate ili knjigu pravila ili pdf
pročitajte i trudite se da zapamtiti što više kako me ne bi stalno zapitkivali i generalno prekidali moje partije
hvala unapred
:D

Jos jedna stvar - kako resiti problem Ostfront (ovo je verovatno zbog potencijalnih USSR igraca ili mozda Rumuna :mrgreen: :?: ) vs. Afrika lista.

Takodje u North Africa imamo NA, Tunisia i Italy - jel bilo koja lista za bilo koju armiju po NA ili .....
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po tom pitanju bićete blagovremeno obavešteni
bar mesec dana pre početka turnira
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(Naravno) prijavljujem se i ja, samo sto moram da odlucim sa cim cu igrati :roll:
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me2 me2!!!

uk rifle naravno! :D ali nadam se uskoro da ce biti veci izbor armija! :D
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Dolazim i ja.
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One, pisam rekao Pionierecompanie. Rekao sam samo Pioniri a koni mogu biti i u svojim Med Maks voyilima koje seju smrta. :)
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kad smo kod toga ko s čime igra molim da svi do 01.12. prijave sa čime misle da igraju
ja samog sebe izuzimam iz ovog zahteva jer moje učešće zavisi od niza faktora
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Ako budem ziv i zdrav - eto i mene! 8) Mogu i kao Nemac, a mogu i kao Amer...sta bude trebalo! I, da, SIGURNO cu te zapitkivati oko pravila, ali se nadam da ce mi biti oprosteno! \:D/
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ja cu ruski streljkovi, kao da imam da biram :).
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Ja cu sigurno neki britanski rifle, a najverovatnije NZ rifle (mozda bidne neki drugi, mada Carli je Carli :D).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Jel odluceno koji je sistem bodovanja za turnir? Evo ima neki ovakav sistem i deluje ok
The biggest single block of points is allocated for the player's generalship, their performance
as a tabletop general. Each game has 32 points allocated between the two players. Work out
who is the winner of the game, this is the player who has fulfilled their mission objectives, or
who has broken the enemy force consult the victory points table for the mission.
· If the winning player scores 7-0 (this is only included for completeness, it's a very rare
situation, you would have to be fighting against a "Desert Fox" force using Rommel, kill
Rommel, and not loose anything yourself) then the winner scores 32 tournament points.
· If the winner claims a 6-1 victory then they score 28 tournament points, plus or minus 1pt
per the difference in the number of platoons destroyed* to a maximum of 32 points or a
minimum of 25 points.
· If the winner claims a 5-2 victory then they score 24 tournament points, plus or minus 1pt
per the difference in the number of platoons destroyed* to a maximum of 28 points or a
minimum of 21 points
· If the winner claims a 4-3 victory then they score 20 tournament points, plus or minus 1pt
per the difference in the number of platoons destroyed* to a maximum of 24 points or a
minimum of 17 points
· If the game ends in a draw, then the winner is the player who has destroyed the most
enemy platoons*, he scores 16 tournament points plus 1pt per the difference in platoons
destroyed* to a maximum of 18 tournament points or a minimum of 14 points.

*Note that the Company HQ Platoon counts towards this score.

The loser (or in the case of a draw the player who killed the least platoons) gets 32-winners
score tournament points.
Ovo mi bas nije najjasnije Sad mi je jsano 32 minus score pobednika :oops:

Both players score must add up to 32.
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Ovo je los sistem, jer penalizuje amrije koje imaju vise unita (npr. Rumuniju, koja je i inace jadna). A liste koje imaju malo platuna, su najcesce upravo liste, koje teze tome da budu pomalo ubagovane.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Hmmm da u pravu si u potpunosti, mada vidim da na dosta turnira koriste ova pravila... opet verovatno svi tamo i furaju neke uber liste sa max 4 platuna? Ipak nemoj da mesas Rumune u ovu pricu... uz malo srece u rolovima za kvalitet Rumuni mogu da budu zilava ekipa. A u krajnjem slucaju lepota je (kao i kod Talijana) sto ako izgubis "jebga rumun sam" a ako pobedis "jebote RUMUN sam" :mrgreen:

Ali definitivno su favorizovane cete sa malo velikih platuna (znaci oklopnjaci)
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Tu u startu postoji disbalans jer postoje armije kojima je minimum 2 jedinice, a postoje i one kojima je minimum 4 jedinice. A drugo, postoje liste koje realno mogu da se sastave sa 2 jedinice, i to da je lista koja sasvim lepo radi, a postoje i liste koje teoretski ne mogu da se naprave bez >4 jedinice.

Sto se rumuna tice, mozes da imas oko 14 vodova u listi, pri cemu ce, po zakonima verovatnoce i statistike, polovina imati moral na 5+; sto znaci da ces najcesce zavrsavati partiju sa <=7 vodova; sto znaci da ces gotovo uvek imati -7 poena na ono sto su uradio (pored svega toga sto si i ovako ubog :D).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ma nije problem u sistemu, već u ljudima koji ga razbijaju. :)
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Mozda jednostavno prvo vrednovati pobede vs. porazi, a zatim kao drugi filter standardni scoring 6-1, 5-2, 4-3 ...
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A ako nekoga bas zanima 34 strane rasprave na ovu temu :lol: evo linka

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx ... &afv=topic
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Mikaan wrote:A ako nekoga bas zanima 34 strane rasprave na ovu temu :lol: evo linka

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx ... &afv=topic
kod mene samo 12 strana :D (povecao sam broj postova po strani :D)

No, ovo je gore od najgore spanske serije ...
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Sto se rumuna tice, mozes da imas oko 14 vodova u listi,
pa dobro ajd sad mislim da i FJ mozes da napravis sa 10+ vodova ali ne vidim da bi to iko pri zdravoj pameti uradio :wink:
A pored toga postoji ona mogucnost povlacenja platuna, na sta vecina igraca konstantno zaboravlja - mislim da su Moma i Cempres ili mozda Dzon tu opciju jako dobro koristili u jednoj partiji koju sam gledao.

A za ove vredne ima li ikakvog zakljucka sa te FoW rasprave?
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Ali ne, Rumuni su toliko jeftini, da ti stavis 14 vodova, zato sto ti trebaju :D.

Ja sam povlacio izvesne vodove pred smrt :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Skobra wrote: A za ove vredne ima li ikakvog zakljucka sa te FoW rasprave?
zakljucka naravno nema ... ali ono sto nije lose je da se Phil (kao tvorac ove igre) ukljucio u raspravu i samim tim "objavio" da i Battlefront kapira da je "nesto trulo u drzavi Danskoj" ...
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@Skobra - danas me mozes zvati posle 14h kad god pozelis ... javicu se :D
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žubor wrote:@Skobra - danas me mozes zvati posle 14h kad god pozelis ... javicu se :D
Internet!... kakav napredak u ljudskoj komunikaciji O:)
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Re: ''Flames of War'' turnir 12.12.2009.

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ovako

Turnir će biti održan 12.12.2009. sa početkom u 11h
Biće održan u holu 6. Beogradske gimnazije
nažalost Dom Omladine je bio odavno rasprodat a Media Centar nema dovoljno veliki prostor
dobra stvar je da će biti obezbeđena pomoć za fiziče radove

ovim putem još jednom molim da mi svi učesnici potvrde svoj dolazak kao i sa kojojom četom planiraju da igraju

da podsetim MW, 1500 poena, 3 bitke po igraču, spisak scenarije biće objavljen za par dana
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Dzon Vejn
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Re: ''Flames of War'' turnir 12.12.2009.

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Potvrda, nezavisno od toga koji scenario ce biti, UK infantry, north africa, najverovatnije NZ, mada mozda bude neka druga varijacija na temu.

edit: joggy ti je 2 puta na spisku ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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