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Nikola i ja smo vec ponosni vlasnici... upravo mi se instalira ;). Ako jos neko bude pazario, javite, pa da mozemo i online da opikamo koju ;).

edit: ima u game-s-u, iako na sajtu pise da nema ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Igram već nekoliko dana, i igra je blagi užas. Ja ne igram multiplayer, ali sam od više ljudi čuo da je potpuno neigrivo u multiplayer režimu.

Po mojoj proceni (kao developera), trebalo je još oko 6 meseci rada da bi ovo ličilo na nešto.
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Bas tako, igra nevalja nista.
Prerano su je pustili u prodaju.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
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Nisam stigao danas da testiram - upravo smo zavrsili sa boardgames :D, pa me interesuje u kom smislu katastrofa? Bugovi ili igrivost (kontam da igrivost nije mogla da se promeni drasticno u odnosu na civ4, civ 3, civ2....)? Malo vise detalja molim ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Igrivost, bugovi, katastrofalan AI...

Evo moje liste zamerki na igrivost:
  • Gradovi-države su potpuno neizbalansirani. Maritime gradovi daju ogromne bonuse na hranu SVIM gradovima u civilizaciji, cultured gradovi daju solidan bonus na kulturu (što je mnogo slabije od ovog prvog), a militaristic gradovi daju... ponekad poneku jedinicu (često skaute i slične suludo beskorisne jedinice koje im odmah poklanjaš nazad).
  • Globalno, preveliki fokus je stavljen na gradove-države. Zahvaljujući bonusima koje daju (naročito maritime polisi), koji su maltene neophodni za igru, ogromna količina vremena i para troši se na udovoljavanje njihovim zahtevima, tako da ispada da civilizacije servisiraju njih, a ne obrnuto
  • Cena održavanja civilizacije od renesanse pa nadalje postaje suludo visoka, tako da je jedini izlaz gradnja ogromne količine trading post-ova (što onemogućava produktivnost, jer ne možete da gradite rudnike, odnosno širenje, jer ne možete da gradite farme). Alternativno, možete da tražite teritoriju koja ima zlato/srebro, ali je čest slučaj da su ovi resursi skoncentrisani na jednom mestu, i to obično na drugom kontinentu. Mreža puteva u teoriji donosi dodatne prihode, ali zbog ogromne cene održavanja puteva (čak i ako se usvoji kulturna politika koja smanjuje tu cenu), ispada da su putevi skuplji od benefita koji donose.
  • Nemoguće je izvojevati kulturnu pobedu ako imate više od 2-3 grada. Ovo je takav propust da nemam reči... da ne pričam o tome da ako imate samo 2-3 grada, nema šanse da ih odbranite od jačeg protivničkog napada, jer nećete imati para za održavanje (a kamoli upgrade) jedinica.
  • Civilizacije su potpuno neizbalansirane. Rim je ubedljivo najjači, dok su Otomani ubedljivo... bedni.
  • Bonusi koje daju svetska čuda su takođe potpuno neizbalansirani.
  • Nije moguće razmenjivati tehnologije ni mape s drugim civilizacijama. Research agreementi su skupi (a posle renesanse ionako nema para za njih).
  • Zavisnost od resursa je suluda (kao otprilike u Civ III, ako ne i gora). Ne možeš da gradiš fabrike ako nemaš ugalj, a meni se sinoć desilo da na čitavom kontinentu postoji samo jedan izvor ugla (dovoljno za 4 fabrike) i morao sam da uništim Japance da bih došao do njega jer je bio u samom srcu njihove teritorije. Možeš doći do uglja trgovinom, ali AI ima tendenciju da traži... previše. Plus je nepouzdano, tako da začas možeš da ostaneš sa gomilom fabrika koje troše pare a ne rade (zvuči poznato?). Slično tome, na celom mom kontinentu nije bilo ni jednog izvora aluminijuma (neophodan za gradnju modernih jedinica).
  • Što je veća civilizacija, to je neproduktivnija, zbog opadajuće sreće stanovništva. Na žalost, uprkos brojnim građevinama koje dižu nivo sreće, ako osvajate, jedini izlaz je da spaljujete protivničke gradove, jer čak i ako ih pretvorite u puppet states (ili ne daj bože anektirate), nezadovoljstvo raste i produktivnost pada na nulu. Neka od čuda mogu da pomognu, ali čik ih na višim nivoima težine napravite pre kompjutera...
  • Stupidno je da ako imaš garnizon u gradu i grad bude osvojen, garnizon se predaje bez borbe.
  • Varvari su još (mnogo) dosadniji nego ranije. I ne služe ničemu osim da budu dosadni i da polisi s vremena na vreme zahtevaju da ih uništiš.
  • Produktivnost gradova na početku igre je toliko mala da je početak još sporiji i dosadniji nego u prethodnim delovima.
Ima toga još mnogo, mnogo samo ne mogu svega da se setim.
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Dobro, oni su velika kompanija, ja verujem da ce se takve stvari vremenom ispeglati raznim modovima (kao sto je i civ4 bio uzas dok nisu izbacili warlords mod - tada je civ4 postala prva igra koja se ikada priblizila broju sati koje sam potrosio na heroje 2 (i kasnije 3) ;) ).

Najvise me je brinulo da ima puno bugova (da li je neko spomenuo blood bowl? :oops: :oops: :oops: ), to mi je najbitnije, a ovo ostalo samo smatram dodatnim challendge-om ;). Ako sam civ4 uspeo da pobedim bez sagradjene military jedinice, onda cu se valjda i ovde snaci ;).

Odoh sad da vidim kako to izgleda, pa cu staviti i svoje utiske u nekom trenutku.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Na kom nivou težine si prešao Civ IV bez ijedne vojne jedinice?

U Civ V je ovo možda i moguće, jer sami gradovi mogu da napadaju. Međutim, varvari su toliko dosadni da iako možeš da ih pobediš, njihovi konstantni napadi bi značili da nikada nećeš ni jednog workera niti settlera poslati van grada.
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Iz ocitih razloga, varvari su bili iskljuceni, ali nista drugo nisam menjao. Ne secam se tacno koji je level bio, ali mislim da je neki deafult level u pitanju (sto bi reklo verovatno chieftain ili warlord) preko toga vec nisam mogao bez jedinica, ali sam naravno pobedjivao na kulturnu pobedu i na prince nivou sa ultra malo jedinica (bez varvara, opet, iz ocitih razloga - prva 2 doba mislim da nisam imao jedinice, posle toga je AI podesen da te napada ako si mnogo slabiji, pa moras da pocnes da gradis unite), a zanimljivo je da na noble nisam uspeo nikada da pobedim na kulturu, iako je to navodno laksi AI od price-a (dobra stvar je sto svaki level menja nacin na koji se AI ponasa - noble AI jednostavno nisam uspeo da "provalim" :D kada se igra na kulturu - uspevao sam ostale pobede, ali ne culture victory). Keyword: diplomatija je kljuc igranja na kulturu u CIV4 ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Evo i ja instalirao i zaista prvi utisci:

Igra izgleda lepse (naravno) ali neki nebulozni hardverski zahtevi su u pitanju, optimizacija je cini mi se -10
Za pola sata igranja na dx10 je pukla 2 puta, ostaje da probam dx9 da vidim dal se nesto menja
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Da ne zaboravim - novac je od resursa koji je bio maltene nebitan u svim prethodnim civilizacijama (što je bilo nerealno) postao resurs koji je suviše bitan u petici, zato što novcem:
  • Plaćate proširenje svoje teritorije (teritorija se na osnovu kulture širi beznačajno malo)
  • Plaćate naklonost gradova-država (što je neophodno za rast/napredak)
  • Plaćate održavanje puteva (a bez mreže puteva ne možete imati efikasnu vojsku)
  • Plaćate održavanje pruga (a bez mreže pruga ne možete imati dovoljnu produktivnost u industrijskom dobu i kasnije)
  • Plaćate research agreement-e (a bez njih teško možete na višim nivoima težine doći do želenih tehnologija dovoljno brzo)
  • Plaćate upgrade jedinica koji su sada neophodniji nego ikada jer je broj jedinica veoma ograničen a njihova proizvodnja sporija nego do sada (e, gde se dede Leonardova Redionica iz dvojke...)
  • Plaćate instant-kupovinu jedinica/objekata u gradovima
Dakle, novac je sada IZUZETNO važan. Od 7 gore navedenih tačaka, samo poslednje 2 su postojale i u prethodnim civilizacijama, a nisu bile ni izbliza toliko bitne kao do sada.
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evo odigrah jos nekih dva sata:

Imam 64bit win7, i na dx10-11 igra blokira non stop, odnosno potpuno je neigrivo. Cak i ono malo sto sam video (imam recommended komp sa kutije) je bilo lepo ali otprilike 0.5-0.7 fps, dakle opet neigrivo. Onda sam pustio preko dx9 i stvar je poletela, doduse uz vrlo ociglednu razliku u grafici. Dobro, to mogu da prezivim do update-a, jer i sa dx9 je grafika dosta bolja nego u civ4.

Od novina mi se svidja to sto mozes da kupujes teritoriju zlatom i to onu koja ti treba, odnosno mozes da obradjujes nesto i nekoliko polja od grada, pa samim tim pozicioniranje grada moze da bude slobodnije nego ranije.
Nema stackovanja jedinica sto te onemogucuje da vodis zerg, i tera da takticki biras koju jedinicu postavljas na koji teren zbog bonusa i penala.
Gradovi mogu sami da se brane.

Negativnih utisaka jos nema jer sam tek stigao do druge ere (uspevsi da sagradim stonehenge i great lighthouse), vise o tome kasnije.

Ah da jos jedna idijotija: Danas sam takodje instalirao civ 5 na laptop. Posto original zahteva da se to obavi preko steam-a, a na steamu vec imam registrovanu igru, steam odlucuje da laptopu ustvari treba update, i onda umesto preko dvd-a igru krece da instalira preko sajta... sledi 2 sata instalacije.... ali dobro, igra sad radi na oba racunara :)
"Narod u demokratiji ne može da pogreši. Kakva god da je odluka naroda to je odluka Boga." Vulin.
"Potrebno je da vozilo koje vrši transport ima onu ruku napred, da prebacuje... Imaju proizvođači, ja sad ne znam ko su“ Velja.
„Na Beka su pucali amateri, jednom je čak spala kapuljača“ Nesa.
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Evo i ja sam odigrao jos 2 sata :D i moji utisci su ovakvi:

- ja cak nisam uspeo ni da pokrenem na dx10 :D (ta opcija mi je jednostavno siva)
- na dx9 igra mi radi savrseno, nista nije pucalo, nista ne koci, barem u pocetnim dobima, itd.
- problem nastaje kada uradim alt+tab van igre: tada recimo ne radi nista, nego ceka da se vratim u igru da bi on razmisljao sta komp radi (mnogo glupo), a kada se vratim imam par sekundi ubagovanu grafiku i seckanje. To i ne bih smatrao problemom da mi masina nije zver, koja iha-ha prelazi njihove system reqs.
- civilizacije nisu izjednacene, ali to mi je ok, jer to gledam ovako - ako hoces dodatni challendge, uzmes neku ubogu civilizaciju
- koliko sam provalio, mapa uvek resembluje juznu ameriku za moju civilizaciju (mozda je tako slucajno zapalo), sto me mnogo nervira, jer je puna dzungli, te sam u startu jako ubog, jer workeri ne mogu da rade nista poprilican broj krugova (recimo u evropi bih za to vreme vec razvio 2 grada) - ajde i to moze da bude challendge.
- city states su mnogo dobra fora, jer vise ne moram ama bas uopste da razmisljam o vojsci. Danas sam krenuo ispocetka, jer juce nisam naleteo na culture city-state. A onda sam shvatio da u stvari meni ne treba nista sto nije military city-state :D, jer u gradovima najmanje vremena posvecujem izgradnji unita, pa mi je onda bolje da mi to odradjuje city-state (videcemo sutra kako cu proci sa tim)
- kao sto je i Nikola primetio, gradovi sada nemaju krug od 2 polja oko sebe, nego od poprilicnog broja polja, i kupujes TACNO sta ti treba, sto znaci da je sada igranje olaksano bas bas. Moja omiljena taktika sa malim brojem gradova sada ima vece izglede za uspeh
- zlato je prilicno zajebato - treba ti za sve, pa moras bas da pazis sta radis (ovde vidim jos jedan bonus military city-state-a: ti dobijas besplatne unite, sa kojima unistavas varvarska sela, sto ti dize status kod military city-state-a i PLUS dobijas pare za unistenje varvarskog sela i PLUS ne moras da trosis zlato za podizanje statusa sa city-state-om: sto se mene tice, to je win-win-win situacija :D.
- mogucnost da se grad sam brani u svom domain-u je nesto sto mogu samo da kazem "konacno"
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Uh upravo sam shvatio koliko me nervira sto ne radi nista dok si alt+tab-ovan... upravo mi se ukazala potreba da ucitam poziciju... a ucitavanje opet traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajeeeeeeeeee......
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Izasao je vec 2. update.
Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš nego sedam dana u bijedi.

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Ja sam igrao jos izvestan broj sati, i mogu da kazem da sam ok zadovoljan igrom.

Najveca zamerka bi mi bila velika kolicina sitnih bug-ova (recimo wonder koji ne radi to sto pise da radi, zatim wonder koji stane sa proizvodnjom, jer nemaju "svi" vasi gradovi neku zgradu - a nemaju zato sto ste odabrali da uradite raze nekog grada, i onda on postane "vas" dok se ne unisti... alt+tab koji me izludjuje, itd.). Mada to mogu da pripisem i borbi protiv piraterije (namerno izbace nekompletnu igru, pa onda patchuju 200 puta u prvih par meseci).

Zatim bi sledilo to sto su multiplayer zaista mogli malo.... pa da se potrude barem. I da kvalitet steam voice-a bude barem isti kao na skype-u.

Postoje razne vrste disbalansa (recimo juzna Amerika je najgori region koji vam moze zapasti), ali to pripisujem "izazovima".

Trebace mi sigurno par meseci igranja da bih mogao da poredim sa cetvorkom (jer sam nju igrao bas puno), ali sam, za sada, daleko od onoga: "jao igra je krs".
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Iako mi se igra nacelno dopada, igriva mi je, bagovitost me izludjuje... totalno sam razocaran da ovakva kompanije dozvoli sebi ovako nesto.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Da pojasnim svoj rage-post od sinoc :D.

Naime, igrao sam naj-huge mapu, earth verzija, sa grcima. Sve ostalo sam ostavio na default (nisam obratio paznju, ali predpostavicu da je u pitanju chief / warlord default). Da ne bih odmah obeshrabio potencijalne kupce igrice, evo lepih utisaka prvo:

- grafika je bas lepa (barem meni, mada ja nisam neko relevantan za grafiku).
- prebacivanje svega na single resurs (pare) moze da bude i dobra ideja, jer sada ne mogu da ignorisem 1 od 3 stvari (pare / kulturu / science) da bih budzio ostale 2. Imas 1 resurs i to-ti-je-sto-ti-je.
- koncept sa city-states je bas interesantan, to mi se bas svidelo (recimo pre toga se nisam puno bavio UN pobedom, a sinoc sam tako pobedio (doduse bice ovoga i u negativnim komentarima)).
- razvijanje kulture sada nije "tra-la-la, ja razvijam kulturu", nego je dosta bitno kojih 5 grana cete izabrati za razvoj, posebno zato sto neke grane ne mogu paralelno da se istrazuju (ili manje od 5, ako necete ni da pokusate cultural victory).
- gradovi su prosireni na krug od 3 hexa (ako me matematika dovoljno dobro sluzi u ove jutarnje casove, to je povecanje sa 20 obradivih polja na 36, sto je, strateski gledano, veoma dobro)
- mogucnost kupovine hexova je super stvar


Sto se tice negativnih stvari, ne mislim da je bilo koja nesto krucijalna (nikada mi se nije desio crash to desktop ili bilo sta slicno), ali ih ima puno, pa to cini stvari veoma iritantnim. Elem spisak:
- kada se krecem po moru, imam move 4. Ako pokusam da idem preko unexplored, pise da cu stici za 3 kruga, umesto za 1 (i ne, ne mogu da prihvatim Nikolin komentar: "pa mozda je iza kopno", iz prostog razloga sto posle "deep water" hexa mora da ide "shallow water" hex - znaci u najgorem slucaju su mogli da stave 2 kruga)
- imam stari monitor i dalje, rezolucija 1024, i kada se stigne do aluminijuma, uz veliku kulturu (trocifrenu), top-bar se pobrljavi, jer jedno prelazi preko drugog
- hrmh, da li je neko spomenuo da ne moze alt+tab dok komp razmislja???
- na naj-huge earth mapi, sa masinom koja ima sve na onom njihovom recommended (jedino je CPU za malu nijansu slabiji, ali je svakako dosta iznad sys-req), ucitavanje izmedju krugova traje 40 sec (merio). U kombinaciji sa nemogucnoscu alt+taba, ovo je izludjivanje naroda
- neki wonderi ne rade ono sto pise da rade (recimo ima wonder za kulturu koji kaze da daje bonuse svim gradovima, a u stvari daje samo gradu u kome je wonder i sagradjen)
- wonderi koji traze da svi gradovi imaju nesto izgradjeno, imaju sledeci bug: ja krenem da gradim wonder, i u nekom trenutku osvojim novi grad, koji odlucim da raze-ujem (ne zelim da ga zadrzim), a koji nema tu potrebnu zgradu - prestane gradnja wondera, kao jebiga, sad nemas u svim gradovima (pritom, jelte, vi i ne zelite da zadrzite grad, zelite da ga raze-ujete).
- kada stavite neki grad da vam je puppet, nemate kontrolu nad gradnjom. I to je ok. Ali onda je meni jedan od tih gradova odlucio da je pametno i da ne bi bilo lose da on krene da gradi apollo program (koji ce sagraditi za 186 krugova). Naravno, jasno vam je da to znaci da u gradovima koje kontrolisete ne mozete da gradite apollo program (pa tako moj capital koji bi to izgradio u 13 krugova - nece da moze). Jedino resenje - aneksiraj puppeta, skini mu apollo program
- ni u jednom trenutku nisam osetio izazov, ono kao - zajebano je sta cu sad. I ne samo to, nego sam komotno mogao da zavrsim na 3 nacina (pobedio sam UN pobedom, par krugova mi je falilo za culture victory, i jos par za space victory) edit: na 4 nacina - da pustim vreme da istece, pa da pobedim na poene.
- UN victory je besmislen: imao sam 7 od 12 potrebnih glasova. I onda sam pustio coveculjka da trci po mapi brodom i juri drzave. Na sve na koje sam naleteo, odmah sam dao zlato i postao ally (na 70). I na nekom od sledecih glasanja sam pobedio.


Editovacu jos kako se cega setim.

edit1:
- Vise nema religije koja je bila osnov diplomatije. To je bas steta. Takodje, cela diplomatija je lose uradjena, jer ne vidis na kom si nivou sa kojim protivnikom. Neko igras na slepo, sto je bas sranje. Najsmesniji mi je pact of cooperation - uloga: nema je.
- Civpedia je tolika bulja da je to cudo. Pokusao pomenuti pact da potrazim u njoj - naravno nema nikakvog podatka. Search opcija radi otprilike kao ciga po kontejneru.
- zdravlje grada je potpuno ukinuto, sto je isto sranje (1 briga manje)
- happiness je maksimalno uproscen, jer sada nije na nivou grada, nego na nivou drzave (pa tako neki gradovi mogu da ignorisu potpuno happiness zgrade, a drugi da gruvaju samo to, sto je lose)
- pobeda na kulturu je sada maksimalno uproscena - ranije si morao da razvijes 3 grada na 50.000 kulture i da ih onda i zadrzis. Sada se kultura razvija nezavisno od gradova - mozes u najvecim gradovima da razvijes kulturu, a da u najmanjem sagradis pobednicki wonder, i u medjuvremenu izgubis najvece gradove. Sto je opet lose
- juce sam drzao dosta dugo sve gradove na default opciji administracije. A onda sam u jednom trenutku hteo da povecam gold income u nekim gradovima, a u nekima produkciju. I onda sam sa +100 pao na -100 golda po krugu. OK, velim ja mozda je do produkcije. Odem prvo u grad koji ima podeseno da mu je primarni gold. Zaradjuje 78 dinara po krugu. Vratim ga na default primarno. Zaradjuje 81 :D :D :D. Sjajno podesavanje mislim se :D.


edit2:
- kada scout istrazi ruine i pronadje oruzje "novog doba", postane unapredjen unit. Medjutim i dalje zadrzava svoje kretanje (ignorise teren, itd.). Sa druge strane, jos bi veci bug bio da prestane da bude scout :D.
- Kad god da naletim na svetska cuda, prijavi mi da sam ja prvi koji je istrazio. Upravo sam nasao neko cudo pored granice sa kinezima i prijavio mi je da sam prvi to otkrio (sto je nemoguce, jelte)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ah, danas sam konacno iskusio i crash to desktop :D... prilikom ucitavanja pozicije. I nasao jos jednu u nizu idiJotskih gresaka: city-state te pozove da pomognes u odbrani od 3. neprijatelja. Udjes, ubijes unit, i zavrsis kruz u city-state-u. Posto si ubio unit dobijes 5 poena u odnosima sa city-state (30 je potrebno za friend, kada mozes da prolazis, 60 za ally, kada dobijas resurse). Posto se zavrsi krug, oni objave da im vise pomoc ne treba. A posto je tvoj unit unutra, onda popijes penal za tresspassing :D. I zavrsis u minusu :D.

A AI je glup do zla boga. Napao me je protivnik koji je imao 10 puta jacu armiju od mene, sve sam pobio, jos mu raize-ovao par gradova i na kraju sklopio mir 10 krugova plus sam mu uzeo 5k+ zlata i 500+ zlata po krugu :D. Taman za tih 10 krugova da se reorganizujem pa da ga dovrsim :D.

Kultura je urnebesno glupa - kada je grad privremeno "otet" radi raize-ovanja, racuna mi kao da je deo moje imperije, i otezava mi razvoj kulture.

Ipak, i dalje ima to "nesto" sto me tera da gubim sate na igrici (mislim da su achievementi u pitanju - ponajvise :D). Ali od sada pa na dalje i ubuduce - vise ne kupujem igrice dok ne budu stare barem 6 meseci.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ali od sada pa na dalje i ubuduce - vise ne kupujem igrice dok ne budu stare barem 6 meseci.
to je moje pravilo od premijere warhammer onlajna... 2008
Pamti, pa vrati...

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Megabaja wrote:
Ali od sada pa na dalje i ubuduce - vise ne kupujem igrice dok ne budu stare barem 6 meseci.
to je moje pravilo od premijere warhammer onlajna... 2008
Ma to sam i ja rekao posle Blood Bowla, ali kao CIV5 sam cekao bas dugo da se pojavi, racunam ozbiljna firma, nije to kao Cyanide, kad ono... corak...

U toku noci sam imao jos jedan crash prilikom ucitavanja :(. Cini mi se da se to desava samo u kasnijim dobima kad ima puno toga da se ucita.

Kako kompjuter razvija kulturu i dalje mi ostaje misterija. Vec u nekoliko igranja, pokupio sam SVE wondere za kulturu, i redovno prvom prilikom gradio, monumente, tombove, muzeje i ostala cuda koja daju bonus na kulturu. I moji gradovi nikada nisu tako rasireni na mapi kao kompjuterski. Jedino objasnjenje mi ostaje da kompjuter trosi zlato da siri teritoriju, u kom slucaju mi je opet misterija odakle mu toliko golda (posto je, jelte, drugo sto gradim market, bank, stock exchange, itd.). Vojsku relativno zanemarujem jer razvijem statuse sa military city-states, pa mi oni posalju dovoljno vojske, taman toliko da mogu da se odbranim.

Pobeda na cultural victory je posebna prica... Jos samo nisam uspeo da pobedim na cultural victory (a tako sam najcesce pobedjivao ranije u CIV4 :? ). Probacu danas ponovo na arhipelagnoj mapi (pangea ima jedan veliki problem - kompovi se medjusobno poubijaju, i onda ostane igrac protiv 2 kompjutera, i stalno trpi napade ako ih ne ubije do kraja... a ako krene da osvaja gradove, zbog urnebesno glupog mehanizma, igra racuna "ne-jos-raize-ovane" gradove kao tvoje i otezava razvoj kulture). I to sam jos igrao sa francuzima koji imaju bonus na kulturu :?.

Posle nekoliko odigranih partija mogu da kazem sledece:
- igra je nekoliko puta prostija za igranje od CIV 4
- AI je urnebesno glup
- igra je puna bagova
- ali i dalje postoji to "nesto" sto te vuce da se igras, tako da je igra ipak dobra... valjda ;)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Evo meni se recimo posle desetak dana igra vise svidja od civ 4
Svi novi koncepti mi se svidjaju
To sto nenad pominje kao bugove ustvari nisu bagovi, jer ne znas kako je zamisljeno da radi na prvom mestu, a ja mislim da je i zamisljeno da radi bas tako kao sto radi, sto znaci da nije bug nego mehanika koja nekima ne odgovara. Meni se recimo svidja da pijes odredjene penale kada osvajas gradove, to ipak nije kulturno :). I dalje kada grad konacno ode sa mape ti dobijes nazad svoje bonuse. Glavne gradove i city state ne mozes da raze-ujes, sto je po meni opet logicno a po nekima nije.

Tacno je da neke nacije imaju bolje bonuse od drugih, medjutim to nije nesto sto bi bilo presudno po partiju ni u kom slucaju.

Nisam imao problema civpediom, cak mi je vise puta pomogla, a i recimo gamespot bas u svom opisu hvali civpediu. Cultural victory je moguce ostvariti i sa vecim brojem gradova (juce sam pobedio science u 430. krugu, medjutim do 500. bi sigurno pobedio i cultural sa 14 gradova). Zlata sam imao na pretek, najvise u renesansnom periodu. Kada sam igrao military fazon, zlato je bilo problem naravno.

Zlato jeste mnogo vazno sada jer mnoge dobre stvari mozes da kupis, medjutim ne mozes ko ranije na svakom tile-u udri put i zeleznicu (sto je meni ranije mnogo smetalo) nego moras tacno da ocenis sta ce ti se isplatiti a sta nece, kao i dal je taj put bitan za vojsku ili ne, i dal je bolje da izgradis harbor ili put. Sta ce ti recimo zeleznica koja kosta do nekog grada koji sluzi da proizvodi kulturu? Ranije si samo gradio na svakom polju na kom stignes, sada mora da se razmisljas.

Gradovi drzave daju razlicite bonuse, medjutim sta ce meni maritime grad koji mi daje +hranu kad imam gradove koji proizvode +15? Sa druge strane ako oni proizvode toliku hranu, ne proizvode cekice, sto ce reci da ti treba military, koji mnogo cesce daje vrlo korisnu jedinicu nego sto daje nekorisnu (recimo u zadnjoj partiji sam od pocetka bio ally sa edinburgom, i dobio sam jednom horse archera kad je vec proslo to doba, a sve ostalo su bile poprilicno dobre jedinice (jednom sam dobio helikopter 1 krug nakon sto sam pronasao tehnologiju). Ako igras na kulturu, kulturni gradovi su mnogo vazniji od ovih sto daju hranu. Ako igras na military bice ti mnogo tesko da neprekidno servisiras gradove, jer ti pare trebaju za vojsku i odrzavanje srece (sto je po meni opet ok). Isto tako, ally gradovi ti daju i svoje resurse, sto je cesto mnogo bitan faktor (mozda ti ne treba jedinica od military grada, ali ti mnogo trebaju aluminijum i uranijum koje recimo drugi maritime grad nema)

Produktivnost civilizacije opada po gradu ako ides i osvajas naravno, medjutim daleko je od toga da nema izbora osim raze. Medjutim globalna produktivnost je neuporedivo veca. Tacno je da ce ti trebati recimo 3-4 kruga vise da sagradis jedinicu medjutim umesto u jednom gradices u 3 grada. U kasnijim periodima vrlo cesto se desava da grad isplati samog sebe ako mu stavis puppet jer je vec sagradio sve za srecu. Kada ga aneksiras odma gradis courthouse i resen problem (donekle). Isto tako, ako osvojis grad koji je vec osvojen od neke druge civilizacije koja je izgubila zadnji grad, imas opciju da im das taj grad, i tako ih opet vratis u igru, plus su ti vecno zahvalni, sto je odlicna fora. Plus, ima dosta poluga u policy, gde smanjujes penale za osvajacki nacin igranja.

na prince nivou kompjuter nije preterano veliki protivnik, sto meni opet odgovara jer bi se mnogo nervirao kad bi stalno gubio od istog :). Probacu tezi nivo pa cu da vidim. Mada mislim da ako imas drusto za net play to mnooogo menja stvari. E, tu imam zamerku, jer tokom net play nema animacija, trupe se teleportuju sa jednog polja na drugo (mozda ima opcija da se vrati animacija nisam proverio), plus ucitavanje drugog kruga traje nesto duze (recimo 4-5 sec) verovatno zbog lose sinhronizacije.

toliko za sada.
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hehe danas poceo vecu mapu i naisao na:
City-State: Belgrade
Trait: Militaristic
Personality: Hostile

Bug? :)
"Narod u demokratiji ne može da pogreši. Kakva god da je odluka naroda to je odluka Boga." Vulin.
"Potrebno je da vozilo koje vrši transport ima onu ruku napred, da prebacuje... Imaju proizvođači, ja sad ne znam ko su“ Velja.
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I ja sam naisao na identican.
"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."
Emperor of mankind – on the Creation of the Space Marines.

"By reason. By truth. I have learned how your hearts and minds function. With that lore, I brought peace to this culture."
"--At the cost of freedom."
"Peace reigns, as I reign. I wouldn't expect your to understand. You are a little man, with little dreams."
"--You've ushered in the peace of the graveyard. Peace, at the cost of surrendering all choice, all freedom. The city lies in terror, forced to live by the standards you place upon our shoulder."
"Yes...yes."
"--But every sin...is punished, but punished by death, no matter the crime. No matter the scale of the sin. The people of the city live in silence, lest a single word earn them death for speaking out against you."
"Yes. Listen. Listen to the sound of raw silence. Is it not serene?"
- Night Haunter addressing a gathering of Nostraman nobles

"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your False Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
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Ja sam 2 od 3 puta naisao na Beograd i znam da je bio militaristic oba puta, ali ne mogu da se setim onog drugog kakav je bio.

Ja nisam rekao da mi se igra ne svidja (jer da mi se ne svidja, ne bih je igrao jelte :D), nego da je prostija od CIV4 (sto jeste, nekoliko puta, jer je game mehanika daleko prostija (ponovio bih da lead game designer ima 24 godine i neke.... vesele.... ideje), a AI mnogo losiji (sto je ponajvise posledica toga sto sada mozes da imas samo 1 unit na 1 hexu - a rekao bih i da su hexovi uvedeni samo da bi olaksali AI - jer je lakse da imas 6 opcija nego 8)).

A sad odoh da pokusam sa Gandijem, 3 grada (ili mozda cak pokusam 1 grad), kulturna pobeda, arihpelag mapa. Samo se mislim da li da pocnem na princ nivou ili na naj-easy modu (posto jednom jelte moram i na tom modu da predjem igru, posto planiram da otvorim sve one achievemente ;) ).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Testiranja radi, probao sam 1 city challendge, sa Gandijem, najmanja moguca mapa, najlaksi moguci nivo i aripelag (cisto da ne budemo cak ni blizu).

Dobio sam prilicno idealnu mapu: sa donje strane grada skoro sve sama brda, sa gornje strane voda gde je skoro na svakom tile-u bila ili riba ili kit. I dobio sam nekoliko umetnika tokom igre.

Rushovao sam ka svim wonderima koji uticu na kulturu. Sve sam ih sagradio. I igrao sam na ubrzanom modu.

1950 okvirno sam pobedio na kulturu (sa obzirom na sve faktore, rekao bih da je to "jedva"), sto znaci da je moguce, ali mi ostaje misterija kako pobediti na "normalnim" mapama, protiv "normalnih" kompjutera.

Naleteo sam na Beograd, bio je military, friendly. Cinilo mi se nesto da je proslih puta bio irrational i unfriendly, ali reko' bolje da cutim nego da otvorim usta i razbijem svaku sumnju :D. Znaci da je najverovatnije "tip" uvek isti, ali ponasanje random.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Ja sam igrao pomenutu igricu od kad su je krekovali. Moj utisak je sledeci. Napomena, igram iskljucivo na Prince tezini i sa iskljucenim varvarima i ancient ruins.
Pozitivno :
-svidja mi se nov nacin skuljanja kulture,hepinesa,sajensa i zlata. nema onog smarackog slajdera kojim podesavas sta ces koliko vec zavisi od zgrada koje pravis.
-svidja mi se nov nacin borbe, nema vise zergovanja, to je po meni OGROMAN plus za igru u odnosu na prethodne delove. stara fora da stekujem 50 modern armora pred gradom i da ga smaram dok ga ne osvojim je konacno proslost.
-svidja mi se nov nacin koriscenja resurasa, sada ti trebaju za neke zgrade i svaka jedinica/zgrada koristi po 1 tako da moras malo razmisljati sta ces gde graditi, a ne sa jednim nalazistem uglja da napravis 300 fabrika.
-super grafika.
-biranje civica je mnogo bolje nego pre.
-puppet princip kod osvajanja gradova
Negativno/idiotizmi :
-igra mi kreshuje s vremena na vreme, moguce zbog moje krekovane verzije.
-u dve partije nisam mogao da nastavim igru posle odredjenog kruga u modernom dobu jer kreshuje kad odem na end turn, moguce zbog moje krekovane verzije.
-city states mi je fail concept, ne svidja mi se uopste i previse je forsiran po meni.
-nema religije, mozda dodaju u expanziji ?
-pare su previse bitne, kompjuter ih UVEK ima u nehomanim kolicinama iako ima tri puta vise vojske/puteva i slicnih izdataka sto nema veze sa mozgom.
-AI je glup ko tocilo, ja nikad nemam puno jedinica,ali jurim Himeji castle i sve civice koji mi daju bonus za borbu u mojoj teritoriji, komp mi zbog nedostatka vojske naravno objavi rat i napadne sa 20 swordsmena i konjanika, ja se odbranim sa 2 chu ko nu shabana, on mi da 3 svoja grada, sve luxury resurse i sav GPT iako mu nisam nista uzeo niti sam mu upao na teritoriju.
- nebalansirane civilizacije, ovo su stvarno mogli bolje da urade, glupo je dati nekome specijalnu super gradjevinu ( Egipat, Kina npr ) a nekim jedinice koje brzo postanu obsolete ( Engleska ). bonusi uber nebalansirani takodje. Licno mi je najjaci Egipat i Kina, jer uglavnom idem na Conquest pobedu.
-neiskoriscen potencijal za borbu, borba je sada super takticka u poredjenju sa prethodnim delovima i to nije iskorisceno ni 50%. mada kontam da nove interesantne jedinice cuvaju za expanzije, uvek tako rade.
-raze gradova, neverovatno glupo da se racunaju kao annexed u svakom smislu dok ih ne razoris.
-nehumane kolicine unhappinesa koje imas ako ti je carstvo ogromno, koje pak ne uticu na kompjuterskog igraca UOPSTE.
-kompjuter uopsteno vara na svim tezinama, sto opet spada u onu stavku los AI valjda, taj deo su skroz zbrzali ocigledno posto je nerazvijen skroz.
-licnosti AI protivnika koje su tako hvalili kako ce se ponasati kao prave ( npr Gandi ce biti pacifista i u igri i sl. ) su cista glupost, cim se granicis sa nekim to je rat pre ili kasnije, obicno pre.
Verovatno jos par stvari,ali sam batalio igranje pre par dana jer mi je igra na 421 potezu moje najbolje partije blokirala i nece dalje od toga i ne pada mi napamet da ponovo igram iz pocetka. Dosta je bilo za sada.
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Ako ste za pravi izazov, uzmite c-evo... Freeware. Garantovano nerviranje. Kompjuter ne krade.
http://c-evo.org/index.html
Mogu da se učitavaju posebni AI... Čitao sam negde da koriste ovu igru tako što svako napravi svoj AI i onda puste na izbalansiranoj mapi. Držala me igra dosta dugo.
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Zeljko bre, pa necemo da se igramo sa ovim pikselima valjda... nego da ti i Moma lepo uzmete CIV5, pa onda jebes AI - igramo nas 4 protiv ostatka sveta ;).
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Gadno vas sjebo Warhammer i figure. Sad vam smetaju i kolena na skeleton archerima, pixeli i slično. Ja sam odrastao na pravim igrama (http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1499/world-in-flames) pa mi izgled i nije toliko bitan.

Ko nije igrao Civ 1 bez miša, ne zna šta je strast.

Ajde, možda i uzmem, zaslužili su u petoj inkarnaciji da im platim... Mada pljujete mnogo igru...

BTW, čudo nisi opisao Descent...
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Kolena su smetala nekome drugom ;)... ja prihvatam da je to animirani kostur, pa mu ne treba misic.

Igrali smo civ1, a igrali smo i master of magic koji mu je preteca ;).

Za Descent jos nemam jasan stav, kad odigram jos nekoliko partija, pa cu videti ;).

A te "pinklic-igrice" su stvarno previse... za 3rd reich nam je trebalo pola dana samo da postavimo tablu.

CIV4 sa warlords modom (doduse on samo popravlja bugove i AI, sto za multiplayer nije bitno) je, po mom misljenju, kompleksnija igra od CIV5, jer imas vise stvari o kojima trebas da vodis racuna. CIV5 je pravljen tako da bude prihvatljiv i ozbiljnijim igracima (i dalje nije to bas tako prosta igra) ali i onim igracima WoW-a kojima je maksimalno moguce trajanje koncentracije 5 sec :D. Daleko od toga da je CIV5 los. Ali je dosta "drugaciji" od prethodnika.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Da li ima neko ko je uspeo da postigne magelan achievement? Posto sam obisao svet i nista se nije dogodilo, pa zato pitam... rekao bih da je to jos jedan bug.

Takodje, da li neko ima ideju kako bih mogao da izgubim grad, ali da ga uzmu varvari (ima i takav jedan achievement)?

Upravo sam stigao na okruglo 50% achievemnta \:D/ . Sutra mislim da cu biti dosta produktivniji, posto sam sad odigrao sve velicine mapa, tako da mogu da igram duel mape, sa pocetkom u poslednjem dobu (to "malo" ubrzava stvari).

Poceo sam i da popisujem koje unite, koje gradjevine i koje wondere sam vec sazidao :D.
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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e, magelan mislim da je bug zaista. Posto cesto igram na mapi gde svi krecemo na jednom kontinentu a postoji "novi svet" vrlo cesto forsiram bas pomorski stil, i nisam uspeo da budem prvi do sad (u stvari mislim da ipak jesam, ali komp nije registrovao)
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Koliko sam video na netu - kazu da jeste bug. I da ima neka opcija da se vidi koliko je ljudi otkljucalo taj achievement i da je 0.0%. Nasli su neki ljudi kako moze da se uradi (mora da se edituje neki fajl, da se promeni neki podatak 0/1), tako da kontam da ce to biti sredjeno u nekom trenutku.

I moras da budes PRVI koji je to uradio (kad poprave jelte...).

Jedino mi ostaje misterija kako da mi varvari otmu grad, jer mi nikada nisu grad napali... ali mi pada na pamet da ukljucim opciju raging barbarians, mozda onda....
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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80 / 120 ahievements iliti 67%. Onako laka pobeda na Deity levelu pokazuje koliko je AI zaista los.

Ostalo mi je jos par onih sitnih (skini mod, oceni mod, igraj mod, bombarduj sa b17 (krenes od zadnje ere), itd.), i onda mogu polako da predjem na one ozbiljnije (sagradi sve wondere, sagradi sve zgrade, sve unite, ocisti 1000 suma, napravi 1000 puteva, itd. :D).

Cenim da prosecni kinez, sa svojim prosecnim radnim vremenom od 12 sati, moze za nekih 2-3 dana da skine sve achievemente.

Jel neko probao modove?
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Izasao je danas patch. Koliko vidim, ubacena je opcija da kada osvojis grad, mozes da ga pogledas pre nego sto odlucis sta ces sa njim.

Takodje, crash on load mi se sad desava skoro svaki put (nakon patcha). A i cesce je privremeno "zamrljavanje" mape.

87 achievementa uradjena (od 120). Jos 27 unita nisam izgradio nikada (tj. od kada vodim evidenciju), 14 "poznatih" achievementa nisam uradio i 3 wondera (great wall nikako ne stignem prvi da izgradim...). I jedina 2 zajebana achievementa koja mi posle ostaju je da preobratim 10 varvarskih brodova i da upucam sa englezima 357 protivnickih brodova (ovo je malo... onako.... vidim da je uradilo 0.0% ljudi za sada :D)
That was a hazardous consultation of the Libre Mortis my Lord. An ordeal of high and low doom. The moment I approached the book, it bit me most ferociously.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.

Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.

And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.

Glory to Arstotzka!
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Meni se CIV 5 bio bas dopao, ali sam odustao od njega nakon odigranih par partija jer je broj crash-ova i povrataka na desktop postao toliko veliki, da je, kada dodjem do odredjenog nivoa razvoja, postalo prosto neizdrzivo restartovai i ucitavati nanovo snimljene pozicije.
Mozda moj stil igre nije preferiran od strane programera s obzirom da sam ljubitelj mega civilizacija pa moji problemi pocinju kada nakupim 50-tak i kusur gradova ;)
Inace AI nije preterano jak i dosta lako sam pobedjivao na svim nivoima koje sam igrao. Prvi sam naravno preskocio (ipak mi je Civilizacija u krvi jos od doba Amige) a odigrao sam sledeca 4 nivo, ne uvek do kraja jer mi vracanje na desktop to nije dozvolilo, mada je bilo svaki put jasno, kada bi pocinjali crash-ovi, ko bi bio gospodar planete na kraju :>
Resio sam da sacekam nekih 6 meseci da se zakrpe sve rupe, jpa da joj se vratim, er je stvarno nedopustivo da ovako nedovrsenu i netestiranu igru puste i prodaju ljudima.
Kakva su vasa skorasnja iskustva sa 'izbacivanjima' iz igre?
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tvoja iskustva sa ispadima iz igre su vrlo verovatno vezana sa nacinom nabavke iste (ko je reko pirati?). To je bilo na pocetku i sredjeno je posle cirka 10 dana u patchu.
"Narod u demokratiji ne može da pogreši. Kakva god da je odluka naroda to je odluka Boga." Vulin.
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