[VtES] Ovladavanje pravilima...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:04 pm

Dosta zanimljivo : o tvojim master kartama na tudjim vampirima
http://extrala.blogspot.com/2010/02/did ... rt-40.html

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:52 am

pa tako je uvek bilo... samo se te situacije retko desavaju. prost primer - kad umres ti koji si igrao fame, umre i tvoj fame. i to je to.

Resurrection · Post by **Resurrection** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:29 pm

Vampire lore:
http://charlottebynight.com/?cat=3

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:14 pm

e ovo je bas kul sajt, veoma zahtevan posao neko u sarlotu revnosno obavlja...

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:20 pm

ne mogu da verujem da ste ovo tek sad otkrili...
btw. prilicno sturo prepricano u odnosu na opise u knjigama koji inace ni sami nisu previse dugacki (pola strane do stranu). mogu da donesem pdfove ako nekoga zanima.

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:32 pm

mene ne zanima prica prica - samo pjur pwnidž!

Mladizmaj · Post by **Mladizmaj** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:34 pm

Resurrection wrote:Vampire lore:
http://charlottebynight.com/?cat=3

Odlican sajt!

Vintertid wrote:ne mogu da verujem da ste ovo tek sad otkrili...
btw. prilicno sturo prepricano u odnosu na opise u knjigama koji inace ni sami nisu previse dugacki (pola strane do stranu). mogu da donesem pdfove ako nekoga zanima.

Ponesi meni sad u subotu ako budes mogao da dodjes sve sto imas od vampire lora ( i knjige za world of darkness ako slucajno imas ) malo da cituckam ( ja sam moje izgubio u formatiranju harda )

Vintertid · Post by **Vintertid** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:35 pm

ne dolazim u subotu, donecu ti u sledecu sredu, ok?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:49 pm

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 37fcbc8aeb#

Kadai gras mind of the wilds protivnik ne moze igrati combat ends... nikada...
Omaya i tzimitze su naglo postale jos vise sexxy :D

Rat with a tool · Post by **Rat with a tool** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:32 pm

Malo noobzor pitanje, al' 'ajde.
Wider View (1 pool)
Master: trifle.
Put this card in play. You may use a transfer to move the top card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region and then remove a crypt card in your uncontrolled region from the game. You may use four transfers to burn this card and gain 2 pool.

Da li to znaci da se mogu prebaciti 4 karte iz kripte u uncontrolled?(po potezu jelte)

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:59 pm

da. ( i spaliti 4)
Olaksava kopanje za star vampirom.
A kasnije se reciklira za pool.
Dosta kewl.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:20 pm

.. you cannot play "Freak Drive" after you played "Kiss of Ra"? Since the action ends immediately when playing "Kiss of Ra", it does not enter the resolution stage. The action is neither successful nor unsuccessful, so playing "Freak Drive" is not a feasible card in this situation.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:22 pm

.. not only "Maris Streck" can use her ability to give other minions (or herself) +1 intercept multiple times during an action, but it is also possible for "Julio Martinez" to gain multiple times +1 intercept when blocking a Camarilla vampire?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:24 pm

.. if "Valerius Maior, Hell's Fool (ADV)" or "Arnulf Jormungandrsson" do not need to block successfully an action to prevent, that action modifiers of the named disciplines (in their cardtext) are played, the attempt to block is sufficient?
So, if "Valerius Major attempts to block a hunt by "Arika", and fails (by not playing any intercept), she's still not allowed to play "Obfuscate" modifiers to give her additional stealth after "Neighbour John" has attempted to block subsequently.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:25 pm

.. you can play "Conditioning" and superior "Foreshowing Destruction" on the same action, if the target of your bleed (usually your prey) has 10 or more pool? Since the card text of "Foreshowing Destruction" does not increase the bleed at superior "Dominate", when the target of the bleed has 10 or more pool, the "Conditioning's" clause, that no further bleed modifier can be played, is not violated, i.e. the bleed stays at +3. Funny thing is when the bleed is then redirected to player with less than 10 pool, and the bleed suddenly jumps up to +6 .. at least!

Krle · Post by **Krle** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:22 am

Daj linkove za sve te stvari ako nije problem.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:07 am

Mrzi me. Sad ne znam vise gdi su pa moram da kopam.
Ali idi na extralu, pa jeste li znali da...? pa kopaj po linkovima.
They are all legit.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:28 pm

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 56f016b560

abadrozin · Post by **abadrozin** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:13 am

U dilemi smo oko texta na karti:
Enrage
Cardtype:Action
Discipline:Presence
+1 stealth action. Frenzy.

 Put this card on a vampire you control. This vampire has +1 strength and may enter combat with any minion as a (D) action. Burn this card at the end of this turn.
[PRE] (D) Put this card on any vampire. This vampire must burn 2 blood to attempt any action except hunts and actions to enter combat. Burn this card after resolving this vampire's action.[/size]

Tacnije, napredna opcija nam nije jasna. Pitanje je da li se hantom ova karta skida sa vampira?

Dodatno pitanje: ako su dva enragea zakacena pomocu napredne opcije, da li se jednom akcijom izvrsavaju obe istovremeno (skida 4 krvi), ili se izvrsava jedna, a druga ceka sledecu akciju?

Post by **Megabaja** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:34 pm

kada hantuje skidaju se sve enrage karte ili ako ne hantuje trpi efekat svake karte ponaosob.

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Thu May 20, 2010 10:53 am

Hehe, posto 'pitaj moga brata lazova' daje neke cudne rulinge o mehanici igre, evo kako zaista interaktuju Direct intervention i disguised weapon :

"Snoop" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I play disguised weapon at the beginnig of a combat to draw a .44, then my
> opponent play direct intervention... He can choose if he cancels the
> disguised weapon OR the weapon.. . and if he cancel the weapon, i can choose

LSJ
He can cancel the weapon OR the Disguised Weapon, yes.
The former parallels the ability to play Sudden Reversal when Bindusara
uses his special ability to "play" a master card [RTR 08-JUL-1996].

LSJ ([email protected]) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules:
http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html

a ona je pojasnio za ove sa jeftinijim ulaznicama [English as a secon language and all]

> card then play a second disguised weapon if i have one in my hand...but i
> have no second disguised weapon, i keep the initial .44.
> Correct ?

Correct. If the Disguised Weapon is cancelled, the effect (equipping a weapon
from your hand) doesn't occur, so you keep the weapon in your hand.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu May 20, 2010 11:18 am

Hehe, win!

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Thu May 20, 2010 12:13 pm

Dodatno kopanje po 'what if..?' scenariju otkriva i situaciju i kada obe karte odlaze u nepovrat:

odigras disguised weapon, imenujes npr. rowan ring, na neki nacin ga do rezolucije izgubis iz ruke - tandem ide u discard pile, jer ne mozes equipovati nesto drugo. Sad cu samo postaviti pitanje LSJ-u sta se desi ako odigras DI na oruzje a ja sam kao replacement povukao to isto oruzje, jer cancel karte ne prekida tekst disguised weapona - dakle, ako imas 2 u ruci, samo si pojeo neciju master fazu

ali ako je replacement karta to oruzje koje si imenovao da li ga equipujes.

> Vamp V with OBF enters combat with Minion M. Range is close and then
> Vamp V plays Disguised Weapon at OBF.
> Minion M's controller is considering whether to play Direct
> Intervention against the DW.
> When is the chosen weapon shown, as the card is played, or after the
> DI window?

The chosen weapon is _named_ when Disguised Weapon is played (and must
be in hand, so this is as good as showing it, even though you strictly
speaking shouldn't). It would not be revealed until after the
Disguised Weapon is played successfully.

> Errata says that Disguised Weapon cannot be played if you don't have a
> weapon card in your hand, yet I remember reading that it can be played
> with no effect, you just can't use a weapon you might get when replacing
> the card.

It cannot be used "with no effect". You must play (and pay for) the
weapon (from you hand).
--
LSJ ([email protected]) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

Dakle sve je lepo pokrio sem scenarija da si povukao to isto oruzje kao replacement u toku igranja DW a kada je nekako negirana jedina kopija koju si imao u ruci kad si pokrenuo disguised weapon.

Krle · Post by **Krle** » Thu May 20, 2010 11:15 pm

Tolko od Nikicinog poznavanja pravila,ali bi efekat bio isti jer bi onda cancelovao oruzije.Sad je samo pitanje dal to isto tako radi i na concealed weapon ali predpostavljam da radi.Komplikuju ga sa pravilima za sve pare...

Knight · Post by **Knight** » Fri May 21, 2010 12:27 am

Ja verujem da je on susreo situaciju koja i jeste najbolji nacin da odigras - saceka se da igrac koji je odigrao disguised weapon kaze sta equipuje, direct intervention na to oruzje, nemas isto to u ruci i kombat karta ide u djubre.

Inace, dok sam kopao po pitanjima i rulinzima nasao sam x y nelogicnih stvari koje se jednostavno tako igraju jer je LSJ tako prelomio.

Sto je naravno skroz ok jer su pravila ista za sve, samo to treba znati dok se dizajnira dek.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Sat May 22, 2010 2:41 pm

On May 21, 12:13 pm, Drago13 <[email protected]> wrote:

> We had an argument with some of my gaming group members about
> canceling/burning action cards as they are played by DI/Rewind time
> and I understood that they (or maybe me myself) aren't exactly clear
> how they work.

> I'm sorry for asking these questions, because I probably
> can find all answers to them if I look carefully,
> but I just want to have all answers here,
> in one place for my gaming group to see.

It's not too much to ask. If different people are asking the same
question somewhat frequently, it may be because the answer is unclear
or there are just more new players.

> 1) If I play an action modifier (Conditioning, Shadow play...) and
> someone uses DI on it
> or cancels it by any other mean (Shape mastery, Iron heart and so on),
> I can't play another because even if it cancelled, it was played
> anyway, true?

Yes, that's correct. That's why you wait to DI the conditioning that
would kill you.

> 2) On the other hand, If I play an Action card (Govern, Alastor and so
> on...) and someone cancels it (with DI),
> I CAN attemt the same action, and even use the same action card,
> because even if card was played,
> the action itself wasn't attempted at all, right?

Right.

> 3) If it was something like Reins of power, then it can't be attempted
> because the CARD (not the action) can be played once per game.

Yes, the card can only be played once. The action type isn't tainted
by the "no repeat action" rule, so you could call another vote(i.e.
ancient influence).

> 4) So, if someone uses Evil Eye (which cancels my action card) on my
> KRC, I can try again (provided I can untap)

That sounds right, but I'm not 100% sure.

> 5) If someone uses Rewind Time (which burns my action card) on my KRC,
> I can try again too, right?

Right.

> 6) Is canceling action card a synonym to burning an action card? So is
> Rewind Time effect any different from Evil Eye one? (Except for tap
> the minion part ofcourse)

It's canceling, not burning. Burning is what you do to cards in play.
Rewind Time and Evil Eye basically operate in the same way, with that
subtle difference. I think you have the wrong card text for Rewind
Time. Look here: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.ph ... ewind_Time

> So if my Johannes Castelein calles KRC and someone uses Evil Eye on
> it, he burns 2 pool (Says ''When canceled''). Does he burn 2 pool for
> using Rewind Time on it as well? (Burned, not cancelled)

It's canceled. Burn 2 pool and like it.

opet smo igrali pogresno. kada mi neko di-uje govern, mogu da blidujem , i to novim governom ako treba... :-D

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon May 24, 2010 9:55 pm

evo i linka za gornja pravila, sa sve lsj-om licno, posto su ljudi pitali :

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 611958e820#

Filipenda · Post by **Filipenda** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:21 pm

dva pitanja,potrebna pomoc...
prvo:metuzalem A bliduje metuzalema B kartom kindred spirits,napredna verzija,metuzalem B odigra telepathic counter i smanji blid na 0,zatim zatim metuzalem B odigra modifajer eyes of chaos i doda +2 na blid moze li onda metuzalem B da odigra archon investigation i sprzhi vampira metuzalemu A ili ne mozhe?
drugo:tokom politicke akcije kine resources contested,pre glasanja,metuzalem koji treba da izgubi nesto pula,odigra reakciju poison pill,moze li tada metuzalem koji je pozvao politicku akciju da promeni misljenje,kako ne bi izgubio pul??
hvala!

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:42 pm

1. Ne moze. Bleed je trenutno za 2. MetuzelaH A je glup jer nije sacekao da se odigraju svi modiajeri pre nego je poceo da smanjuje/igra archon.
2. Ne moze. Uslovi referenduma su postavljeni. Nema naknadnog premisljanja.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:27 pm

Moar fail u nasem poznavanju pravila :

You cannot play the second copy of a unqiue card you control.
If you are forced by the rules or by card text to put a second copy
into play (e.g., move a full vampire from your uncontrolled region
at the end of your influence phase), then the incoming copy is
burned.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 76902c0bab

Filipenda · Post by **Filipenda** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:54 pm

treba nam pomoc - partija u toku!!!

situacija: enkidu uz pomoc abilitija ulazi u kombat sa vampirom i nije blokiran! kao strajk enkidu koristi naprednu verziju Form of Mist (da nastavi prethodnu akciju sa +1 stealth). Moze li ovako da se odigra s obzirom da akcija nije blokirana?

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:28 pm

Ne.
Pise vam na karti :
To continue action as if UNBLOCKED.
Posto bloka nije ni bilo..

GoxY · Post by **GoxY** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:29 am

Sto se tice poison pill-a, posto se karta igra before votes are cast , uvek mozes da oboris sam sebi referendum da bi izbegao gubitak poola.

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:46 am

Naravno.. ali ne mozes da promenis uslove referenduma. A i drugi se nesto pitaju... 8) 8)

Filipenda · Post by **Filipenda** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:26 pm

potreba pomoc oko tumacenja jedne karte,viel of legions,stvar je sledeca da li se tapuje vampir koji ovom kartom dodaje stealth nekom drugom vampiru i da li moze od te karte posle da na svoju akciju dobije stealth??

Krle · Post by **Krle** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:57 pm

1.Ne
2.Da

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:50 pm

Tacno ovako kako je krle odgovorio.
Pise vam u osnovnom rulebooku :-D

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:16 am

Jos jedan od retardiranih rulinga, ali ...hej... Paulo de castille ima sada svrhu!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... d09b4fc826

EDIT : Ha, LSJ je juce bio pijan, izgleda... :-D

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... e9cefe8895

Post by **Megabaja** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:34 am

zanimljivo. rasprava oko nebitnog rulinga, i promena kod LSJa prvi put otkad ja pratim teme. i na kraju? sta je bre ovo - debilizam. proslo je vreme kada sam se ja sa LSJ raspravljao o rotshrecku i thin blooded seeru... tada je odluceno da nije svaki clanless kamarila vampir caitiff...

Pendargon · Post by **Pendargon** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:06 pm

Za Krleta:
Bio sam u pravu, naravno.
Marthe Dizier ne moze da vrati i odigra pyche koji je odigrala na superioru (ali moze na inferioru) , jer je superior psyche kombat karta koja se igra van kombata (sto je jedna od glupih vtes limbo faza, kao i sto je i voter cap nesto sto se igra u slicnoj fazi nakon referenduma).
Eve ti i ruling :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... f789b5e33a

previse vremena posvecujem ovome...