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No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:15 pm

Veća promena je što je altar sad samo stubborn.

milosh · Post by **milosh** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:53 pm

Jel neko nasao link za download knjige? Ako jeste molio bih da mi prosledi na pp

Histericni Istoricar · Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:25 pm

Jel neko nasao link za download knjige? Ako jeste molio bih da mi prosledi na pp

I ja sam zahvalan unapred!

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:12 pm

Za sve ljubitelje tenkova - on je sada T6 i košta 250 poena kreće se random D6 x stim poeni a pravi impakt hitove D6 + D3 x stim poeni, pilići su 58, grifon 170, state trupe su za 1 poen skuplje - tako kažu,

igor · Post by **igor** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:27 pm

Smanjena cena za 50 poena znaci sada mogu dva tenka u 2000pts..
Moze charge prvi potez sada sa 4 stim poena x d6 roll = retardirano..
Radi veci broj impact hitova = retardirano..
Manji T = smor, ali ako je samo to nerfovano... smejurija

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:37 pm

Bojler na tenku sad može i da eksplodira, bolteri imaju 50% šanse da ga penetriraju, nema WS pa se pogađa automatski - snaga 7 ga omlati, ono što si pre radio - zabodeš ga u najgoru protivničku jedinicu i zabaguješ je dok uništiš ostalo sad baš i neće da radi. Plus topovi su 120 poena a mortar 100 i snage 2.

Post by **teclis** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:23 pm

al im je zato magija brutalna kolko sam cuo ti area augmenti su sweeet

Jagos · Post by **Jagos** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:33 pm

Video sam sliku Halfling Hot-pota. Jel neko ima predstavu da li toga ima u knjizi i sta radi?

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:54 pm

Jagos wrote:Video sam sliku Halfling Hot-pota. Jel neko ima predstavu da li toga ima u knjizi i sta radi?

Mislim da radi slicno kao mortar. Ko zna...ali meni ne bi bilo svejedno da mi padne kotlic vrele corbe na glavu. :D Jos ako je muski zabibere, i jos neka ljuta papricica da se nadje.... :lol:

Post by **Dzon Vejn** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:42 pm

U ranijoj ediciji je, koliko se secam, radio kao mrotar, S3, mala pita, no save. Mada je to bilo mnogo davno, mozda sam malo i pobrljavio

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No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:25 am

Ne postojie pravila za Hot-pot, samo kažu da možeš da ga koristiš kao zamenu za mortar ili rakete sa njihovim pravilima. Inače rakete su sada 3 male pite snage 3.

Post by **teclis** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:51 am

No 1 wrote:Ne postojie pravila za Hot-pot, samo kažu da možeš da ga koristiš kao zamenu za mortar ili rakete sa njihovim pravilima. Inače rakete su sada 3 male pite snage 3.

oces da kazes 3 kotlica supe snage 3

Kirgan · Post by **Kirgan** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:01 am

Ja sam se nadao novim vitezovima iskreno a sad moze da se napravi Grifonsku Legiju na demijima a da gde ima pdf

Post by **bojan** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:35 pm

teclis wrote:ma padace kecevi to je cinjenica

Aha josh jedan cija je taktike "Mene ce srati a tebe nece"...

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:00 pm

Po onome što pričaju najveća razlika po meni je ta što detačment ima sve osobine parent jedinice i računa se u ukupan zbir poena (detačment grejsvorda je isto staborn, ako parent dobije npr. neko magijsko poboljšanje dobije ga i detačment i sl.) kao i da ne možeš da čardžuješ detačment ako ti je parent jedinica bliža.

Post by **Dzon Vejn** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:22 pm

Jel se to pojavio pdf vec?

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:40 pm

Jok, neko je pročitao knjigu na prevaru pa postuje čega se seti.

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:46 pm

Ok report on the book now:
Magic items are as i've said about them. steel banner is 35 points
Griffonbanner same as usual for 60pts
Runefang is still in the book at 85pts
Helm of the ratslayer. fear to everyone, terror to skaven but skavens hate the model wearing it. 15pts
AOMI 1+AS and 6++ for 50points
Steelstandard. ignore -movement from barding and reroll 1's on the charge, flee and pursue
Mace of helstrum 50pts
Van horstmans speculum still there at 40pts
Ring of volans
and the white cloak reworked at 50pts

General up with 15pts start with light armour and the hold your ground special rule. No ancient heirlom rule.
Grand master i think was up by 20pts and cannot choose demigryph mount
Archlector down by 25, altar up by 50, only has power lvl 4 banishment as spell now
Wizard down by 10

Captain up by 10 start with same as general
warrior priest down by 25pts same prayers as i said before.
witch hunters will be the same as the old captain price, and the "heresy rule" is that he gains reroll to hit and killingblow against the target. He gives his unit immune to terror ( it only causes fear to the unit) and himselfe is also immune to fear (not the whole unit). He reroll to wound against wizards, undeads and demons.

(core)
All heroes and chars that used to be able to ride pegasi can still do so. pegasi down by 5pts and got some upgrades like +1 stomp or reroll 1's on the charge.

All statetroops are up by 1 point except spearmen. Swordsmen are down to i3.
militia is up by 1 and archers goes down 1pts.
knights ( i correct myselfe here) is down by ONE point. and only 1 unit may be innercircle and ONLY that unit may take a magic banner.

(special)
greatswords are up by1 but can take magic banners
mortars are up by 33% and are s2(6)
great cannons are up by 20%
Flagellants are now a special unit (gets ws3!! ) and takes d6 s3 when sacrificing 1 dead= reroll to hit, 2dead = reroll to wound, 4+dead = +1t
Huntsmen are now special choice at same price as old handgunners and archers.
Demigryphs can take either halberds or lances (normal halberds)

(rare)
Helblaster is like before but with new missfire chart: 1 missfire, the rest of the barrels shoot half their number, 2 missfires, roll on blackpowderchart, 3 missfires, 30hits and the machine explodes. Can now use the engineers BS to fire
helstorm fires d3 s3 small templates. roll artillery dice + the number of template scatterdices ( allways counted as inderect fire)
Steamtank is now down by 50pts. the steamboiler works like you roll a artydice, if the number is higher than your current wounds or a missfire, roll on the missfirechart. to do this roll a d3 + the number of steampoints you generated.
gets d6 random move per steam point. steamgun now works like a breathweapon in CC aswell as shooting only that it works in CC every turn. The strenght of the steamgun depends on how much steampoints you put on it up to s6.

The light mobile gives a dispeldice, 6++ to all units within 6" and fires a boundspell power 4. s8 flaming magic missile that does d3wounds and pierce ranks like boltthrower. reroll wounds against undeads and demons
The heavens mobile gives +1 to hit in cc and has a boundspell that shoots a template that can do damage or turn the targeted unit towards a random direction.

Detachment rule is as i've mentioned. there was a list of special rules that passed from the parent unit to the detachment. i dont remember all of them

Kirgan · Post by **Kirgan** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:16 am

Znaci Greatswordi imaju sve manju sansu da se uzmu

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:21 am

Pa sa detačmentom koji je sada kako kažu takođe staborn možda i može da prođe jer su flagelanti preskupi. Plus popovi koji su sada jeftiniji a rade ove molitve:
1 makes the whole unit reroll wounds
2 gives the unit 5+ in closecombat,
3 old soulfire that now gives flaming attacks to the unit and damages models in basecontact with the priest
Što bi značilo da možeš da imaš rirol da pogodiš i raniš npr. ili ward na 5 (što sve važi i za detačment).

Post by **teclis** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:02 am

bojan wrote:
teclis wrote:ma padace kecevi to je cinjenica
Aha josh jedan cija je taktike "Mene ce srati a tebe nece"...

jep

Kirgan · Post by **Kirgan** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:36 pm

No 1 wrote:Pa sa detačmentom koji je sada kako kažu takođe staborn možda i može da prođe jer su flagelanti preskupi. Plus popovi koji su sada jeftiniji a rade ove molitve:
1 makes the whole unit reroll wounds
2 gives the unit 5+ in closecombat,
3 old soulfire that now gives flaming attacks to the unit and damages models in basecontact with the priest
Što bi značilo da možeš da imaš rirol da pogodiš i raniš npr. ili ward na 5 (što sve važi i za detačment).

Ne znam zasto al bi po novim pravilima ja i dalje radije imao White Lions unit koji vidi cuda ima bolje karateristike rr sam po sebi prvi udara bije S6 tako da mu rr za wounds u vecini slucaja nije bitan a cena sitnica

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:17 am

Imperija je bila prejaka, gunline je mogao da počisti svaku armiju sa table, tenkovi izbagovani, hohlandi npr. u 2 kruga mogu da smažu Teklisa, mortar kad poklopi, dispel kocke od pristova ... Sada će biti teže igrati i naravno moraju se imati nove stvari jer one nadoknađuju ono što se izgubilo. Sad je tenk random uz mogućnost da svaki put misfaruje ali i da napravi veću štetu - vidi 360 stepeni i nema reakcije na njegov čardž (ako sam dobro razumeo).

Yogurt · Post by **Yogurt** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:10 pm

Bice interesantnije igrati protiv njih i to ja najvaznije. Ja verujem da sada dobar igrac sa imperijom moze da uradi vise nego pre a uvek ce se naci neki stil liste koja je dobra. A posto wood elfovi nece dobiti nova pravila nikad i osudjen sam na stil igre sa 2 treemana, onda meni super odgovaraju sto su machine skuplje.

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:35 pm

Mislim da baš wood elfu nova imperija nikako ne odgovara jer WP mogu da daju celoj jedinici vatrene napade a imaš i onaj laser bound spell koji automatski pogađa snagom 8 naravno vatreno i pravi D3 rane.

Yogurt · Post by **Yogurt** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:18 am

To nije dobro 8O

igor · Post by **igor** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:09 pm

Ko hoce prvu verziju skenirane Empire knjige 8 edicija nek mi pusti PM. (nema sve, nije prelepo, ali za prvu verziju moze da prodje)

igor · Post by **igor** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:00 pm

Najbolji komentar koji sam procitao od kada igram WH:

" Dearest Empire Players,

We of the Wood Elf and Beastmen community are so sorry to hear about what happened to your army with the new book. We are so sorry about the appropriate readjustment ..er.. I mean "nerf" to your already ridiculous access to warmachines. We are so sorry to learn that you not only gained Monstrous Cavalry that have a 1+ armor save but also gained another excellent cavalry unit that's Stubborn to further add amazing synergy with the new units. We are so sorry to learn that your ridiculously low priced core units were raised to appropriate levels and that your generals now provide the Lizardman "Cold-blooded" to their unit for break tests.

We are sorry to learn that your Steamtank is no longer auto-slain by spells like Purple Sun or Pit of Shades. We are also so sorry to learn that your new rare selections have provided you with mobile artillary and augment options that make any close combat army break into a cold sweat. We are so sorry you lost your ability to gain 2 -6 dispel dice or so automatically in a magic phase by virtue of spamming warrior priests. We are also sorry that your detachments gain the benefits/special rules of their parent unit.

We are so sorry that your army became even more balanced and versatile than ever. We are so sorry that you have to rely on intelligence and skill rather than bombarding your opponent from your deployment zone with almost as much artillery as Dwarfs get and gunlines. We are so sorry you gained access to not only dragons but also griffons and pegasi! So sorry that you have now gained so much versatility that you can handle any army! We are so sorry that you can take characters that exist solely to assassinate other characters for cheap. We are also sorry that your new rare selections are just as cheap as your other warmachines yet provided amazing benefits to the army.

It has to really suck to be an empire player right now and have a balanced army....

Love,

The Wood Elf and Beastmen community. "

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Post by **bojan** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:36 pm

Whine whine whine. Mislim da zaista nema potebe postovati takve stvari.

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:09 am

Meni se skroz svidja nova Imperija. Bas dobar miks pesadije, konjice, artiljerije i raznoraznih bizarnih izuma za bojno polje. :D Topovi sada imaju realniju cenu, akcenat je na raznovrsnosti, a i mislim da ce Steam Tank otici u zasluzenu penziju.

igor · Post by **igor** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:15 am

Pazi, tenk nije vise autohit u cc, ima 360 charge bez reakcije i mozes stavis dva komada u 2000p.2 tenka uz 2 lvl 1 life maga po meni radi.. samo sto je problem jer za te pare mozes uzeti 2 laser vagona i 2 helblastera koji su sada dobri.. E sada na nama je da testiramo.

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:17 pm

I ima inicijativu 3, i možeš magijom da mu npr. nabudžiš T, daš mu dupli muvment, inžinjer može da ima HLR i bije su u CC (nije da je važno) a i kad izgubi par rana može da bude vrlo upotrebljiv, i sad ima pravi top, uostalom tenk je i ranije bio T6 pa je bio upotrebljiv a nisi ga mogao popravljati.

Tenk + dve nove kočije + helblaster = 620 poena (može u partijama od 2500)

Post by **teclis** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:36 pm

tenk je superiska. ono sto sam zakljucio citajuci:
- hell_stvari su dobre
- kelestial:+1PD. ta kockica puno znaci. +1 to hit u svakom kombatu - na hordama i iner_circle S6 konjici to pomaze jako
- inercircle su sada core i to za 25pts. stavis im great weapon i onaj steal standard ma idi bre
- witch hunter i njegova besmislena cena i to sto ima KB, sniper, rroll to wound za 50 pts. stavis mu ward 4+ i onaj napitak za +1A i bog da te vidi
- warrior pristovi i dalje daju hatred :O.
- detacmenti dobijaju sve karakteristike od parenta - od frenzy, hatreda, steadfasta, stubborna, immune to psy.
- archeri su 7pts. jedinica od 10 je 70pts. a sad slusaj - skirmisheri su sto znaci da imaju free reform uvek i krecu se u bilo kom pravcu 8". najs. + mogu da pucaju kad marshiraju. + steadfast su
- channeling stuff cemo cesce vidjati u imperijalnim knjigama - s tim da imaju samo kociju za +1 bonus PD
- tank moze da jurisha 5D6" u prvom potezu ako ga niko nije ochukao.
- steel standard. rrollovanje keceva na charge i plus ti se ne racuna penalty na barding uopste

No 1 · Post by **No 1** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:43 pm

tank moze da jurisha 5D6

Samo 3D6, najviše 3 steam poena možeš da upotrebiš za neku radnju.

Post by **teclis** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:46 pm

No 1 wrote:
tank moze da jurisha 5D6
Samo 3D6, najviše 3 steam poena možeš da upotrebiš za neku radnju.

a jaaadan

PeraNekron · Post by **PeraNekron** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:18 pm

Neki karakteri, magija, gomila pesadije + detachmenti, neki top/mortar, konjica, demigryph rideri (kostaju djavo i po, ali 4 komada sa halberdama, to je 16 napada snage 5, 4 stompa, save 1+, 3 rane svaki i jos su vecinom armour piercing napadi), i jos neka egzotika, i da te Bog vidi. :D

igor · Post by **igor** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:25 pm

Vidim ja da ce biti:

Post by **Dzon Vejn** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:50 am

Da li neko moze da mi potvrdi sta bese rade silver seal kod karl franza (MR3?) i emperor's chosen kod kurt helborga (osim imunosti na psihologiju)?

Post by **Mrzimsvee** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:58 am

Dzon Vejn wrote:Da li neko moze da mi potvrdi sta bese rade silver seal kod karl franza (MR3?) i emperor's chosen kod kurt helborga (osim imunosti na psihologiju)?

Ward 4+ i MR(2), mislim samo to

Post by **Dzon Vejn** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:03 pm

OK, hvala.