Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
For those too lazy to read about all the models - some statistics
System Use
Warmachine 17 77%
Hordes 5 23%
Most Used Factions:
Menoth 4 18%
Cryx 3 14%
Mercs 3 14%
Khador 3 14%
Most popular Casters
High Exemplar Kreoss 3 7%
Magnus the Traitor 2 5%
3Butcher 2 5%
Harbinger 2 5%
Terminus 2 5%
Damiano 2 5%
Gorten 2 5%
eKreoss 2 5%
Lists with huge bases
Colossals 4 9%
Gargantuans 0 0%
Most Popular Units
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages with UA 5 11%
Choir of Menoth 5 11%
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt 5 11%
Bane Thralls 4 9%
Nyss Hunters 4 9%
Shifting Stones 4 9%
Widowmakers 4 9%
Most Popular Jacks/Beasts
Reckoner 6 14%
Renegade 4 9%
Warpwolf Stalker 4 9%
Most Popular Solos
Gorman di Wulfe 10 23%
Rhupert Carvolo 6 14%
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios 5 11%
Ogrun Bokur 5 11%
Vassal of Menoth 5 11%
Forsaken 5 11%
So statistically 4 of your 5 games will be against Warmachine. You will most likely have at least one game against Menoth and should prepare for the reasonable possibility of the Kreoss pop and drop. If you haven't heard of Gorman di Wulfe you should start reading his rules (I suggest you focus on stealth and blind) and statistically you shouldn't worry too much about Colossals (unless you Nemanja, Shunka or Nemanja K). Menites should be aware that with Gun Mages and A&H - singing "Passage" isn't guaranteed to ensure safety from guns. We have a chunk of Eiryss but plenty of Bokur shield guards to block the shot.
Anyway I will see you all tomorrow.
Rick, the Statistician of Everblight
System Use
Warmachine 17 77%
Hordes 5 23%
Most Used Factions:
Menoth 4 18%
Cryx 3 14%
Mercs 3 14%
Khador 3 14%
Most popular Casters
High Exemplar Kreoss 3 7%
Magnus the Traitor 2 5%
3Butcher 2 5%
Harbinger 2 5%
Terminus 2 5%
Damiano 2 5%
Gorten 2 5%
eKreoss 2 5%
Lists with huge bases
Colossals 4 9%
Gargantuans 0 0%
Most Popular Units
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages with UA 5 11%
Choir of Menoth 5 11%
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt 5 11%
Bane Thralls 4 9%
Nyss Hunters 4 9%
Shifting Stones 4 9%
Widowmakers 4 9%
Most Popular Jacks/Beasts
Reckoner 6 14%
Renegade 4 9%
Warpwolf Stalker 4 9%
Most Popular Solos
Gorman di Wulfe 10 23%
Rhupert Carvolo 6 14%
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios 5 11%
Ogrun Bokur 5 11%
Vassal of Menoth 5 11%
Forsaken 5 11%
So statistically 4 of your 5 games will be against Warmachine. You will most likely have at least one game against Menoth and should prepare for the reasonable possibility of the Kreoss pop and drop. If you haven't heard of Gorman di Wulfe you should start reading his rules (I suggest you focus on stealth and blind) and statistically you shouldn't worry too much about Colossals (unless you Nemanja, Shunka or Nemanja K). Menites should be aware that with Gun Mages and A&H - singing "Passage" isn't guaranteed to ensure safety from guns. We have a chunk of Eiryss but plenty of Bokur shield guards to block the shot.
Anyway I will see you all tomorrow.
Rick, the Statistician of Everblight
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Ne zaboravite ljudi da je sutra maraton ( u tom smislu, ako se negde zaglavim - javljam)
Izgubio je sve ko nije razumeo da je pobeda bila nesto drugo
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Kako iko sa NBG / Zemun planira da stigne do kluba?
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Actually, there are 4 colossals - Stef has Conquest in one of his lists.Rick wrote:For those too lazy to read about all the models - some statistics
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Lists with huge bases
Colossals 3 7%
Gargantuans 0 0%
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
And Shunka and Nemanja. Oh and Stormwall!!
Yep sorry forgot that one
Yep sorry forgot that one
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Pies or it didn't happen
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
These don't translate well into graphs or charts.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
GILDA SPREMNA! Jedan Bile Thrall mi odlutao, imam samo pet, ima li neko na zajam jednog?
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Rick wrote:These don't translate well into graphs or charts.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Ok, this one is the best so far!!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
To je to, ljudi - vidimo se sutra. Ceka nas dug, naporan, zabavan I verovatno prilicno krvav dan :D
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Turnir je bio super, iako je mozda 5 rundi bilo malo ambiziozno. Terminus me je na pocetku i kraju ucmekao, Dalibor je super igrao robote, ali ga je kostala ona suma na sredini terena, i jedan gaf sa killzonom, a sto se tice Sunke i njegovog collossala :
Eiryss, Eiryss, Eiryss kako to zvuci, covece! Ali najbolje je sto ce Kreos ubiti tu Eiryss. Ubice je nezno, ali snazno! Da, to nije onaj Kreos sto je sebe proglasio za jadnika, ne ovo je novi Kreos, epski Kreos, super-grand-exemplar Kreos, kralj zena.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Sjajan turnir, 4 sjajne partije, opustena atmosfera i prijatno druzenje!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Cestitke Nikici i Oti na kvalifikacijama! Hvala svima koji su dosli da se druze i ratuju i naravno, hvala Duletu iz kluba "Zmaj" sto nam je izasao u susret!
Veceras ili stura cu okaciti konacni plasman.
Veceras ili stura cu okaciti konacni plasman.
Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Well done to Nikica and Ota!!
A long summer of practicing before Novi Sad in August
We're half way through and for those that are interested;
So potentially a Cryx vs Trollblood semi-final in the top half and a Cryx vs Orboros semi-final in the bottom half, though I am sure the other qualifiers will have something to say about that!!
A long summer of practicing before Novi Sad in August
We're half way through and for those that are interested;
- Miroslav will face the Runner up from the November event
Nikica will face the Runner up from the Novi Sad Event
Ota will face the Winner of the Novi Sad Event
Nemanja will face the Winner of November Event
So potentially a Cryx vs Trollblood semi-final in the top half and a Cryx vs Orboros semi-final in the bottom half, though I am sure the other qualifiers will have something to say about that!!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Odlican turnir, kako partije tako i organizacija.
Bila je uzivancija igrati protivi svih vrlih protivnika i nadglasavati se sa onima za susednim stolom.
Posebno bih se zahvalio Stefu, Nemanji, Sunki i Histericnom sto su mi obezbedii figure/karte te nasem divnom organizatoru koji nas je okupio
Apelovao bih na organizatore da sledeci put teren ne bude simetrican, jer onda biranje strane nema nikakvog smisla, i da se smanji pojava dzinovskih suma na sred table.
Takodje, nophodno je obuciti igrace za merenje vremena jer izgleda da je dosta ljudi imalo trapave prste ili telefone koji se zaretardiraju.
Bila je uzivancija igrati protivi svih vrlih protivnika i nadglasavati se sa onima za susednim stolom.
Posebno bih se zahvalio Stefu, Nemanji, Sunki i Histericnom sto su mi obezbedii figure/karte te nasem divnom organizatoru koji nas je okupio
Apelovao bih na organizatore da sledeci put teren ne bude simetrican, jer onda biranje strane nema nikakvog smisla, i da se smanji pojava dzinovskih suma na sred table.
Takodje, nophodno je obuciti igrace za merenje vremena jer izgleda da je dosta ljudi imalo trapave prste ili telefone koji se zaretardiraju.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Da, ta suma je bas bila je*ada. Doduse kad sam drugi put dobio isti sto, odma sam uzeo listu sa errantima + senechal, i hunter&pathfinder se onda bome isplatio. ko zna sta bi bilo da Dalibor nije imao 2 ground pounder napada. Ne znam da li je i ljudima koji su vodili Nyss Huntere zapao taj sto br. 7, ali ako jeste hunteri mora da su se dobro proveli. \:D/Resurrection wrote: Apelovao bih na organizatore da sledeci put teren ne bude simetrican, jer onda biranje strane nema nikakvog smisla, i da se smanji pojava dzinovskih suma na sred table.
Eiryss, Eiryss, Eiryss kako to zvuci, covece! Ali najbolje je sto ce Kreos ubiti tu Eiryss. Ubice je nezno, ali snazno! Da, to nije onaj Kreos sto je sebe proglasio za jadnika, ne ovo je novi Kreos, epski Kreos, super-grand-exemplar Kreos, kralj zena.
Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Cestitke Nikici i Oti na plasmanu, Lazi na organizaciji, i mojim protivnicima na lepim partijama.
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Odlican turnir, ako se ne varam stopostotan odziv i sjajna atmosfera i kooperacija pri pozajmljivanju figura i tumacenju pravila.
Bice poduhvat ponoviti ovako nesto. Vidimo se u avgustu!
Bice poduhvat ponoviti ovako nesto. Vidimo se u avgustu!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Sobzirom na vreme i maraton-blokadu grada, super je bilo. Odlicna atmosfera i dobre partije, samo ta suma na sredini . Cestitke svima i organizatoru.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Sve je bilo super, ocekujemo tabelu sa stendingom! Mi dolazimo svaki put iz Novog Sada, nadam se da ce biti odziva i za Novi Sad!
Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
The big problem is that under the new rules there can be no linear obstacles or obstructions in zones (I think this is to do with huge based models) and so to avoid just having an open pathway from one side of the board to another - hills, water, forests etc are having to be used as they can be in zones. Otherwise it means changing the layout of the terrain for each scenario.takasunmc wrote:samo ta suma na sredini
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Nije problem suma u zoni nego velika suma na sred table, bez obzira gde se zone nalaze.Rick wrote:The big problem is that under the new rules there can be no linear obstacles or obstructions in zones (I think this is to do with huge based models) and so to avoid just having an open pathway from one side of the board to another - hills, water, forests etc are having to be used as they can be in zones. Otherwise it means changing the layout of the terrain for each scenario.takasunmc wrote:samo ta suma na sredini
Utoliko gore ako je cela zona u sumi, kao kad sam igrao Destruction protiv Nemanje .
Menjanje terena za svaki scenario i nije posebno problematicno, sem ako pokusavas da napravis da bude simetrican.
Nek se igraci dogovore kako da se minimalno pomeri, a bude van zone.
Kako jos nisu odabrali ko igra na kojoj strani nije ni na ciju stetu/korist.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
I gde su vise ti rezultati?!
(rece covek koji je jedva skrpio modle za liste)
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
I think the top 3 would be;
- Nikica
- Ota
- Nemanja
based on SOS but Nemanja has already qualified as a runner up and so we need to know a 4th place in case Ota wins either of the next 2 events.
From the top of my head I think Nenad, Stef and Dule all also went 3/1. I don't think any played Nikica, and Dule played Ota in the first round and Nenad in the second with Stef losing to Nemanja in the 3rd.
so 4th and 5th are
- Nenad/Dule
and Stef 6th
Miroslav - official decision on the 4th/5th place?
- Nikica
- Ota
- Nemanja
based on SOS but Nemanja has already qualified as a runner up and so we need to know a 4th place in case Ota wins either of the next 2 events.
From the top of my head I think Nenad, Stef and Dule all also went 3/1. I don't think any played Nikica, and Dule played Ota in the first round and Nenad in the second with Stef losing to Nemanja in the 3rd.
so 4th and 5th are
- Nenad/Dule
and Stef 6th
Miroslav - official decision on the 4th/5th place?
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
While we are on SOS - shouldn't all the rounds be based on the SOS? Instead of 2nd+ round being played "on a random basis" inside a group of people with the same number of wins?
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
I think in WM/H it matters less. In a round there are good and bad match ups. Do you rate assassinations higher than control etc. An MMM is never going to get a quick assassination but at the same time is a horrible matchup for many assassination lists. The way it was done is just as good as any other I think.
Maybe at the end of this season going into 2016 we can do a top 8 seeding ladder based on all 4 events and then we can do draws where the seeds don't meet each other (a la sporting events) until later rounds? Or not - I like the randomness of it all - I guess we can decide later on and it depends on what kind of events we plan next year.
Maybe at the end of this season going into 2016 we can do a top 8 seeding ladder based on all 4 events and then we can do draws where the seeds don't meet each other (a la sporting events) until later rounds? Or not - I like the randomness of it all - I guess we can decide later on and it depends on what kind of events we plan next year.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Actually there was a clear tie breaker I believe? Number of wins > SOS > Control points > Kill points.
If we are talking about competitive environment, it isn't important against which list you play. It's important against which player you play. Especially since you can play with a player with less wins than you (we had that situation on this tournament). Everyone knows that it's not quite the same whether you are playing against someone who is quite experienced or someone who is a beginner which managed to make a lucky win or two.
In competitive play, I would say that this shouldn't be "at random". But it's your call, of course, and I would stick to any call anyway, since I don't play this competitively .
If we are talking about competitive environment, it isn't important against which list you play. It's important against which player you play. Especially since you can play with a player with less wins than you (we had that situation on this tournament). Everyone knows that it's not quite the same whether you are playing against someone who is quite experienced or someone who is a beginner which managed to make a lucky win or two.
In competitive play, I would say that this shouldn't be "at random". But it's your call, of course, and I would stick to any call anyway, since I don't play this competitively .
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Miroslav has the sheets with the details.Dzon Vejn wrote:Actually there was a clear tie breaker I believe? Number of wins > SOS > Control points > Kill points.
I would say that is 100% wrong. Warmachine is a bit like formula one - lists are equally as important as players skill. Part of the skill is choosing lists that can cover match ups where the other list has a major weakness.Dzon Vejn wrote:If we are talking about competitive environment, it isn't important against which list you play. It's important against which player you play.
The problem with SOS and control points for your opponents in the next round is that many players assassinate and have very few kill points and control points and that is often determined by lists too. The player that assassinates just the warcaster may be tremendously skillful but have no control points and 10 or so kill points. Two beginners mulch each others armies and end up in a 5/4 slugfest with 30+ kill points and the winner is regarded as the strongest player in the draw. In this situation just like in the random one you can have odd draws. Skill in the game doesn't necessarily equate to the fact that you will score a lot of points or kills, often the opposite.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
As I said - I'm fine with any call .
I must appologize for the explosion that blew off the door of The Chamber Unbreachable, but the simultaneous emergence of seventeen demons from the book spine, caused the spiritual detonation in the soul stoned air of the room.
The whole enterprise was an experience most horrendeous. None but I could have endured it. I was almost damned twice. Even now my soul is twisted to a cork screw.
I suggest you keep the state of your soul to yourself, and inform us, instead, what you have gleamed from the Grimoire.
Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat - that's the key. Humans always fear the alien, the odd. Once the mages had left Novigrad, folk turned their anger against the other races... and, as they have for ages, branded their neighbors their greatest foes.
And 'cause I was gazillionaire and I liked doing it so much, I cut that grass for free.
Glory to Arstotzka!
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Evo I rezultata. Tabela je sortirana na osnovu broja pobeda, broja kontrolnih poena I ukupne vrednosti protivnickih unistenih modela. Na osnovu ove tabele I SoS (Strength of Schedule), napravljena je finalna lista:
1. Nikica
2. Ota
3. Nemanja (Shizuo Takashu)
4. Dzon Vejn
5. Dule
6. Stef
7. Rick
8. Luka
9. Mikaan
10. Shunka
11. Arborsomniorum
12. Dejan
13. Joggy
14. Uros
15. Boris
16. Moma
17. Nikola Ivkovic (TheSerbianRaven)
18. Djordje
19. Nenad NS
20. Nemanja K.
21. Dalibor
1. Nikica
2. Ota
3. Nemanja (Shizuo Takashu)
4. Dzon Vejn
5. Dule
6. Stef
7. Rick
8. Luka
9. Mikaan
10. Shunka
11. Arborsomniorum
12. Dejan
13. Joggy
14. Uros
15. Boris
16. Moma
17. Nikola Ivkovic (TheSerbianRaven)
18. Djordje
19. Nenad NS
20. Nemanja K.
21. Dalibor
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Neke fotke?
I myself am a self-proclaimed expert, if I do say so myself.
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Re: Warmachine & HORDES Masters Qualifier II - 18. april 2015
Miroslav je odradio odlican pos'o i nadam se da ga nismo previse iscrpli.
Hvala Miroslavu, Klubu Zmaj, sudbini sto nije previse smetala i svim ucesnicima da ovaj turnir prodje kako valja.
Hvala Miroslavu, Klubu Zmaj, sudbini sto nije previse smetala i svim ucesnicima da ovaj turnir prodje kako valja.
I myself am a self-proclaimed expert, if I do say so myself.